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Bonnie:  Jaw hurts!

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Bonnie Brien - 08 Oct 2005 00:00 GMT
My left side of my jaw hurts!

I think it's because of the tube they put in your throat before surgery.
My breast biopsy surgery was 9-16-05

Jaw still hurts.......Doc wan't me to take IB over the weekend

Bonnie

Ever happen to you??
vickie b. - 08 Oct 2005 01:08 GMT
Dear Bonnie,

My guess would be that the surgery has agrivated (?spelling) TMJ.  This
is a long time after surgery for it to still be hurting.  Others may
know better than me.

Take care,

Vickie B.
Bonnie Brien - 08 Oct 2005 02:38 GMT
There are days that my jaw won't hurt at all and today it does
hurt--only on  the left side.  It can make it hard to eat,smile or yawn

My teeth are fine (no wisdom teeth left in) ,.......pain definetly in
the jaw

Never had trouble with jaw before with previous surgeries....why now?

My jaw is small because I was a preemie baby
Bonnie Brien - 09 Oct 2005 02:00 GMT
Vicki --

TMJ can be caused by stretching the jaw during surgery--and I have a
small jaw.

Bonnie
Bonnie Brien - 11 Oct 2005 23:37 GMT
Had jaw x-rayed......diagnosis "TMJ strain"--xrays were "unremarkable"
(they --the radiologist-- don't usually read jaw xrays)--no broken bones

Suggested therapy........but how effective is therapy for
TMJ..........oral surgery?

Dentist no longer takes Medicaid or Medicare.....

Now what??

Bonnie  
RoseB - 12 Oct 2005 00:18 GMT
>Had jaw x-rayed......diagnosis "TMJ strain"--xrays were "unremarkable"
>(they --the radiologist-- don't usually read jaw xrays)--no broken bones
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>Suggested therapy........but how effective is therapy for
>TMJ..........oral surgery?
Bonnie: If you can see an OT you can see about getting a mouth guard
for sleeping with at night. It helps to keep the jaw in the correct
alignment. The other thing is to apply heat or ice. Heat does help,
even if it is just in the form of a hot face cloth held against the
cheek.
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Bonnie Brien - 12 Oct 2005 00:58 GMT
Hurts when I

eat
smile
every morning when I wake up
chew food
put pressure on jaw
open mouth wide

Only on left side

I've never had any jaw trouble after surgery before with my jaw-ever

Bonnie
Adelle - 12 Oct 2005 03:31 GMT
Bonnie,

I have TMJ. My splint (slightly different from a mouthguard) has been a
godsend. I had constant headaches, joint pain and muscle twitches until I
started wearing it. Had one made by a specialist after a fender bender. It
was good, but cracked when I was having muscle spasms one night (side affect
from medication). My dentist made this new one, of a softer plastic. I like
it better.

Do you have a dental school in your area? I think they take medicaid. And
they also take a wide array of patients, based on whether there are students
taking a particular class. Maybe they need a patient who needs a splint
made?

I lucked out in college. I had dental work done at the dentistry school and
the student I was assigned to was #3 in the class.

Adelle

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Bonnie Brien - 12 Oct 2005 03:43 GMT
I THINK OUR TECH COLLEGE HAS DENTISTRY PROGRAM--WILL MAKE CALLS TOMORROW

BONNIE
Bonnie Brien - 12 Oct 2005 20:33 GMT
Yeah--

Called the tech school....cost $20 for cleaning--but have to wait on
list for student to call and make appointment

Will take 3 months (Jan) to get maxifacial doc to look at it for TMJ

Meanwhile try suggestions.......

Bonnie
Bonnie Brien - 13 Oct 2005 03:21 GMT
I'll try doc suggestion of IB 800 mgs too--got 3 months to try different
things--including therapy for TMJ strain of jaw.

Bonnie
Jo Firey - 13 Oct 2005 05:13 GMT
> I'll try doc suggestion of IB 800 mgs too--got 3 months to try different
> things--including therapy for TMJ strain of jaw.
>
> Bonnie

I went thru six months of hell with TMJ quite a few years ago.  Part of the
problem was getting my insurance to stop fighting over who had to pay.
Dental vs. Medical.  Medical did finally pick up most of the cost up to a
cap they had on TMJ.

But I must say I got more benefit from the medrol shot an oral surgeon put
into the joint (and that I ended up having to pay for myself - but it wasn't
expensive) did more good than all the mouth guards etc the TMJ specialist
gave me.

I'm very glad that by the time I developed the problem they had decided that
surgery on the joint usually does more harm than good.

After about eight months the problem just gradually went away.

Jo
Nann Bell - 14 Oct 2005 03:34 GMT
That's how my TMJ problems started, after having a large filling done on an
upper back tooth, i.e. my mouth was wide open for quite a while.  My dentist
at the time said she could feel the knots in the muscles all throughout that
cheek - the right side in my case.  The biggest help for me was a guard made
by my dentist, but it cost a small fortune.  Also the chiro I was seeing at
the time taught me some tricks to release those muscles.

Over time, I learned how to help it out to some degree myself by moving the
jaw around.  Also, I learned over the last couple of years that when I had
any PT or traction or massage done on my neck, my jaw also released.  So now
when it bothers me, I stretch out my neck a lot as well as shifting my jaw
around and massaging the jaw area itself.  Don't know if any of those tricks
will help you, but they might be worth a shot.  I know my was so bad for a
while that I couldn't stand to smile and sipping hot beverages was torture.  
For a coffee addict like me, that was almost a doomsday scenario!  LOL

One of the dental hygienists I see now says that for people who don't grind
or clench their teeth, TMJ probs are usually due to cramped up muscles and/or
one set of muscles (either opening or closing) being stronger than the other
and pulling things out of alignment.  I think that's what happened with me.

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> Bonnie
Bonnie Brien - 16 Oct 2005 05:03 GMT
Well--

I may have a dentist......called a nurse referal line.    She gave me
the name of one.

Will see if he'll take MA

Can't see maxiofacial doc until I see a (they prefer that) dentist.....

Seems that they don't care about people anymore....all about M-O-N-E-Y

BONNIE
Bonnie Brien - 17 Oct 2005 23:49 GMT
My doc had me cut the IB 800's in half to see how effective  a 1/2
strength`tab is.

Bonnie
Bonnie Brien - 18 Oct 2005 21:38 GMT
Well I felt the joint move during ultrasounnd on the left side of
jaw...definetly was moovement in jaw area.

So I hope  that that was the joint repositioning itself to it's correct
position/socket

Jaw is sore yet.....time for meds.

Bonnie
Bonnie Brien - 19 Oct 2005 17:13 GMT
This morming jaw has very little to no pain--all I took was my normal
meds

HOORAY!

The next guy that shoves an intubationtube down my throat is gonna get a
serious "talking to" before I go under!

Bonnie
Nann Bell - 20 Oct 2005 04:30 GMT
> This morming jaw has very little to no pain--all I took was my normal
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> Bonnie

that reminds me - my TMJ problems started before my hysterectomy.  When I had
the surgery, I told the anesthesiologist about the jaw stuff.  He used a
specail mask that kept them from actually having to intubate me although I
was fairly solidly out for this traditional style hyst.  (midline incision
and all that).  Do be sure and tell this tale to the next guy who wants to
intubate you - they should be able to try things differently!

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Nann Bell - 19 Oct 2005 17:39 GMT
Bonnie, i was wondering last night if they have you eating a soft diet or if
they've at least had you try that in addition to your other therapies.  you
may have told us before and it slipped my mind - I've had forget-itis lately!

Anywya, i just thought of it because I had a Monday of traveling between
dentist and endodontist to re do a 20 yr old root canal and crown.  I really
expected the jaw to be very sore afterwards.  of course, I'm taking more meds
because my mouth is so sore with stitches in it, but my jaw has been better
than usual.  I attribute it to being on a very soft diet since Monday morn.

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Bonnie Brien - 19 Oct 2005 22:33 GMT
Yes they did tell me soft diet  

I have to do 2 exercises so far:

1) push tongue against two front teeth, hold for      3 seconds

2) put finger on jaw and try to hold tongue on         roof of mouth.

At the  time I write this...........there is NO pain in my jaw.--after 1
month WITH pain..its a relief

I attribute this to the manipulation of the joint area with the
ultrasound

Bonnie
Squirrely - 20 Oct 2005 00:12 GMT
oh, I was stupid enough to try what they told you. My tmj is activated
because of taking temp. Have to use oral therm.
the second one made my neck start spasming. Maybe I was doing it wrong. Now
my jaw is spasming too. I think I will stop trying what others do.

Bonnie, I sure hope your jaw is healing quickly.

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Love and hugs to all
Good thoughts coming your way too.

Squirrely Jo

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Bonnie Brien - 20 Oct 2005 01:06 GMT
The exercises made my jaw hurt too.

FIVE TIMES A DAY..........no wonder a jaw hurts!

The second exercise--finger on jaw--use other hand to move jaw
down--trying to
keep tongue on  roof of mouth

Hurts the tongue!

Bonnie
Bonnie Brien - 20 Oct 2005 15:28 GMT
I had a GOOD day with the jaw yesterday and this morning--the jaw hurt!

Therapy later today.............

Bonnie
Nann Bell - 21 Oct 2005 12:32 GMT
> I had a GOOD day with the jaw yesterday and this morning--the jaw hurt!
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> Therapy later today.............
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> Bonnie

ah, shoot - I was so hoping the improvement would last for you.  Got my
fingers crossed that you get lots more good jaw days - SOON!

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Bonnie Brien - 22 Oct 2005 00:28 GMT
Yes  and it's acting up again tonight too--on the left side--the
ultrasound is temporary therapy relie--usually it hurts  the day after

Bonnie
Bonnie Brien - 22 Oct 2005 00:33 GMT
Makes me wish I had my own machine to stimulate my jaw joint

Bonnie
Bonnie Brien - 22 Oct 2005 02:25 GMT
Just took some Tylenol Arthritis--and it's kickin' in now
 
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