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Aspartame
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dawn - 27 Sep 2005 23:30 GMT My daughter came home with this infor for her nutrution class about the issue of aspartame and muscle pain. Worse for arthritics/ Have any of you experimente with not using it to see what happens. Hopefully this does not start a bunch of loonies tuning in. LOL Dawn0
d'huit - 27 Sep 2005 23:32 GMT LOL! laughing too hard, about the loonies, to think.
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> My daughter came home with this infor for her nutrution class about the > issue of aspartame and muscle pain. Worse for arthritics/ Have any of > you experimente with not using it to see what happens. Hopefully this > does not start a bunch of loonies tuning in. LOL > Dawn0 spodosaurus - 28 Sep 2005 10:33 GMT > My daughter came home with this infor for her nutrution class about the > issue of aspartame and muscle pain. Worse for arthritics/ Have any of > you experimente with not using it to see what happens. Hopefully this > does not start a bunch of loonies tuning in. LOL > Dawn0 Well, they use a massively high dose of a phenylalanine mustard thingo during chemo prior to transplant to kill remaining marrow and immune cells, so I figured all the diet soda I drink probably wasn't a good thing, and I stopped drinking diet soda for a few months. Absolutely no change. I think unless you're drinking massive amounts of foods containng nutrasweet or are an IV drug user who prefers to inject aspartame rather than any of the softer drugs like heroin, you'll probably be okay :-) That said, there are individual differences in sensitivies to a lot of things! Personally, I noticed no difference in arthritis pain and there were no significant blood count changes from removing aspartame from my diet for several months. I prefer to get my calories from nutritious foods, so I like diet sodas. If she can ask her teacher about the study I can try and find it in one of the online subscriptions my university has and report back after reading it.
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MikesBrain - 28 Sep 2005 11:22 GMT 2005-09-27, Responding to dawn...
> My daughter came home with this infor for her nutrution class about the > issue of aspartame and muscle pain. Worse for arthritics/ Have any of > you experimente with not using it to see what happens. Hopefully this > does not start a bunch of loonies tuning in. LOL > Dawn0 Simply entering "aspartame" into Google produced a number of interesting hits. What struck me was the clear divide between the "Warning!" stuff, and the "Don't worry!" stuff, and how the latter has an uncanny resemblance to press-release material.
Kinda depends on wether you're ok using your body as a possible experimental lab till all the details are in.
I'll just stick to my health-giving cigarettes for now. ;\
Thinks: Does my body actually NEED formaldehyde and formic acid supplimentation? 8(
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Kelly Cobb - 28 Sep 2005 14:16 GMT > My daughter came home with this infor for her nutrution class about the > issue of aspartame and muscle pain. Worse for arthritics/ Have any of > you experimente with not using it to see what happens. Hopefully this > does not start a bunch of loonies tuning in. LOL > Dawn0 My mother has sometimes severe IBS and found that when she stopped using Aspartame products, switching to Splenda, that the worst of her symptoms went away. She still has the occasional flare up, but the day-to-day discomfort is much better.
Kelly C.
spodosaurus - 28 Sep 2005 14:16 GMT >>My daughter came home with this infor for her nutrution class about the >>issue of aspartame and muscle pain. Worse for arthritics/ Have any of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Kelly C. Like me and peanuts....but oh how I LOOOOOVE them....
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Nann Bell - 28 Sep 2005 15:18 GMT > My daughter came home with this infor for her nutrution class about the > issue of aspartame and muscle pain. Worse for arthritics/ Have any of > you experimente with not using it to see what happens. Hopefully this > does not start a bunch of loonies tuning in. LOL > Dawn0 I have known of people with sensitivities to aspertame. One co-worker's child had horrible headaches from it. But it appears to be an an individual thing, not widespread. Some of the "health nuts" claim that aspertame causes MS, or MS type symptoms in many people. The last time I came across that claim, I went to the MS Society's website and found a statement from them disclaiming all the supposed evidence and stating that so far research just hasn't bourne out this claim. (http://www.nationalmssociety.org/headlines-aspartame.asp)
http://www.aspartame.org also has a lot of info.
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spodosaurus - 28 Sep 2005 15:23 GMT >>My daughter came home with this infor for her nutrution class about the >>issue of aspartame and muscle pain. Worse for arthritics/ Have any of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I have known of people with sensitivities to aspertame. One co-worker's > child had horrible headaches from it. Yep. A very small number of people are sensitive to phenylalanine. These folks should avoid aspartame (like people who are sensitive to MSG should avoid chinese restaurants that use MSG).
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Charrlygrl1 - 28 Sep 2005 15:30 GMT I checked at www.snopes.com, which is a great place to check on rumors and such. There is a debunked email there regarding aspertame and MS and lupus. However, I have heard of this before, as an aggravation for arthritis. I think it's just one of those things: different things affect different people differently.
Charlene
MikesBrain - 28 Sep 2005 23:14 GMT 2005-09-28, Responding to Charrlygrl1...
> I checked at www.snopes.com, which is a great place to check on rumors > and such. > There is a debunked email there regarding aspertame and MS and lupus. > However, I have heard of this before, as an aggravation for arthritis. > I think it's just one of those things: different things affect > different people differently. I got this from http://www.drdahlman.com/articles/view_article.asp?id=89
[...] Food allergies are developed by continued exposure to foods that make their way through your digestive system into your bloodstream and create an immune system response. We have tested blood for many years looking for the presence of indicators of food and other allergies. It will be this immune system reaction that will cause human illness many years from now, and to most physicians, the connection will never be clear. At this time, we have no evidence of this reaction, because time and exposure to these substances is lacking.
The allergy argument is inconsequential when compared to the historical track record of modified foods. We need only to look at margarine, NutraSweet (aspartame) and Olestra to see that it is not unfounded fears, but good old down home common sense that dictates our avoidance. Margarine, 35 years ago, was touted as the sensible substitute to butter, but because of the hydrogenation process necessary to make it solid at room temperature, trans fatty acids were created that actually raised cholesterol levels in humans. Exactly the opposite of what we were told.
NutraSweet, a central nervous system toxin, its effects not Urban myth as Dr. Dean Edell stated on the Today Show a couple of weeks ago, is a known cause of headaches, seizures and other neurological symptoms. The methanol in it converts to formic acid and then formaldehyde at temperatures above 86 degrees. The two naturally occurring amino acids, phenylalanine and aspartic acid used in NutraSweet cross the blood brain barrier and because they are without their fellow amino acids that accompany them in nature, reactions occur. Many neurological symptoms can be eliminated or improved when this product is avoided. [...]
...FWIW
Do remember that a regular trick of mega-corps is to actually generate their own negative publicity so they can "reassure" people when they "debunk" their own counter-spin. A nice cheap and effective way of muddying the waters of the internet etc. Any real info will tend to get lost/flushed along with the pre-generated stuff.
When it comes to the "could it be" question, we might remember the "questions" that were not asked about cigarettes for years and years... and old chestnut, but still relevent.
BTW... Who is behind snopes.com these days? Just a thought...
Now where did I put that pack of ciggies?
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spodosaurus - 29 Sep 2005 02:12 GMT > 2005-09-28, Responding to Charrlygrl1... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I got this from <unsubstantiated ranting snipped>
Don't we have Tommah to post that stuff on this group for us already? It's pseudo-science scare tactics. Use just enough big words and a few facts out of context and oooo ahhhhh be afraid!
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MikesBrain - 29 Sep 2005 11:07 GMT 2005-09-29, Responding to spodosaurus...
>> 2005-09-28, Responding to Charrlygrl1... >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > It's pseudo-science scare tactics. Use just enough big words and a few > facts out of context and oooo ahhhhh be afraid! 1/ You didn't snip any ranting. You snipped a quoted passage.
2/ You missed my point by a mile. Go read my post again huh? ;\
(There are several levels to it if you think about it.)
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Charrlygrl1 - 29 Sep 2005 12:18 GMT Responding to Mike:
I have no doubt that there are food allergies out there causing problems: many of which we may not even be aware. However, the debunked email I was referring to was claiming aspertame as the cause of MS, lupus, etc... I have copied the debunk info below. Again, I have no doubt that allergies can cause some problems, just not as many problems or perhaps the specific problems mentioned in the email: lupus and MS. IF you go to the snopes site, the below references are linked to the debunked email story. Now I am looking for my smokes! Char
Is Aspartame Safe? (FDA): To date, FDA has not determined any consistent pattern of symptoms that can be attributed to the use of aspartame, nor is the agency aware of any recent studies that clearly show safety problems. Aspartame and the Internet (The Lancet): Our research revealed over 6000 web sites that mention aspartame, with many hundreds alleging aspartame to be the cause of multiple sclerosis, lupus erythematosis, Gulf War Syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome, brain tumours, and diabetes mellitus, among many others. Virtually all of the information offered is anecdotal, from anonymous sources and is scientifically implausible. ACSH Debunks Internet Health Hoax (American Council on Science and Health): Health scare artists have found a whole new medium for terrorizing the public - the Internet. Individuals in search of accurate health information may literally become caught in the Web, where health hoaxes and urban medical myths run rampant. The health scare messages are always the same - whatever it is, it will make you sick. Beware The E-Mail Hoax: The Evils Of Nutrasweet (Aspartame) (Dr. Dean Edell): A highly inaccurate "chain letter" is being circulated via e-mail warning the reader of the health dangers of aspartame (Nutrasweet) diet drinks.
There is so much scientific untruth in it, it's scary. Be careful, because others know how to manipulate you by this. Just because something is beyond your comprehension doesn't mean it is scientific.
FDA Statement on Aspartame (FDA): Analysis of the National Cancer Institute's public data base on cancer incidence in the United States - the SEER Program - does not support an association between the use of aspartame and increased incidence of brain tumors. Study Reaffirms Safety of Aspartame (MIT News): Even daily large doses of the high-intensity sweetener aspartame, also known as NutraSweet, had no adverse effect on study subjects' health and well-being, a visiting scientist at MIT reported in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition last week.
"We conclude that aspartame is safe for the general population," said Paul A. Spiers, visiting scientist in the Clinical Research Center (CRC). A Web of Deceit (TIME magazine): A widely disseminated e-mail by a "Nancy Markle" links aspartame to Alzheimer's, birth defects, brain cancer, diabetes, Gulf War syndrome, lupus, multiple sclerosis and seizures. Right away, the long list warrants skepticism. Just as no single chemical cures everything, none causes everything. Last
MikesBrain - 29 Sep 2005 21:21 GMT 2005-09-29, Responding to Charrlygrl1...
> Responding to Mike: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Now I am looking for my smokes! > Char I'm aware of the debunked email thingie. There's a lot of this kind of thing about, partially, I'm sure, invented to get hits on pointless websites.
The matter I was refering to was the practice (it happens more than you may think) of "vested interests" covertly putting out negative publicity "on the side", possibly in the form of an email like the one discussed on this thread, with the actual intention of debunking it later, therefore "putting to bed" any concern about the product in question.
If I ran a mega-corp, I'd sure as hell be doing this one, to "head off" competitors doing it first, and to give me the edge if and when the downside of the product became apparent.
Therefore...
When a huge "hoax" does the rounds, followed by an even more popular debunking (how many times have you only become aware of a hoax due to the debunking?), I get a little suspicious that something else of interest may be getting chucked in the bin along with the garbage.
Now I wonder how many "scares" there were about stuff like Vioxx and the like? We KNOW the industry tricks that were played by the tobbacco companies, and one thing is for sure, the spin game will be far more sophisticated these days.
Just to add a little teaser...
Nobody yet has said outright that aspartame does NOT in any way turn into something that can harm you. The direct and absolute denial has not happened. What HAS been published as "the truth" never quite gets there if you read it carefully.
And now a word about Monsanto Corp... ;\
...after a quick ciggie out the back door... 8Q
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Charrlygrl1 - 01 Oct 2005 12:52 GMT Point taken. I can see that you have about the same amount of trust in these corporations as I do. Ha!! Oddly enough, Monsanto has a base (subdivision called Solutia) which is not too far from where I work. Not very long ago, perhaps 5 years, something happened there and a chemical was released into the air. Unfortunately, it drifted across the street where a huge bulk mail facility is located. Many, many people had to be hospitalized, but in the end were ok. So Monsanto says, anyway- Char
spodosaurus - 01 Oct 2005 13:14 GMT > Point taken. I can see that you have about the same amount of trust in > these corporations as I do. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > So Monsanto says, anyway- > Char *shudder*
I hear that and I think "Bhopal" and "three mile island" (where they used the mean cancer scores of a population surrounding the reactor to obfuscate the massive spike in cancers of the minority of those exposed - they deliberately did not study those in the narrow wedge where the radiation was blown by the wind, they used map radii and averaged thousands of people with no exposure to ensure that the statistics showed nothing).
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MikesBrain - 01 Oct 2005 21:59 GMT 2005-10-01, Responding to spodosaurus...
>> Point taken. I can see that you have about the same amount of trust in >> these corporations as I do. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > thousands of people with no exposure to ensure that the statistics > showed nothing). Hey! Thats GOOD radiation! Made in America! It keeps ya warm in winter, and its FREE dammit! What more d'ya want!?!
If you run out, we can let you have some of our Brit-Rad from Windscale/Selafield/SunnyPowerCo/???. ;\
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MikesBrain - 01 Oct 2005 21:56 GMT 2005-10-01, Responding to Charrlygrl1...
> Point taken. I can see that you have about the same amount > of trust in these corporations as I do. If they wern't corporations, they'd be armies. For some, the average death-toll would not be remarkabley different.
(Grim tonight or what?!)
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spodosaurus - 01 Oct 2005 13:11 GMT > 2005-09-29, Responding to spodosaurus... > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > 1/ You didn't snip any ranting. You snipped a quoted passage. And what was quoted was misinformation and half truths. It's scare mongering regarding aspartame: claiming that it's converted to formaldehyde in our bodies because our body temperature is over the temperature you quoted is absolute crap. Claiming it's a neurotoxin is crap, too, as water is deadly in high doses as well. It's like I said in another post, if you have problems with nutrasweet then avoid it, just like people who have reactions to MSG should avoid that food additive as well!
> 2/ You missed my point by a mile. Go read my post again huh? ;\ So your point was that the manufacturers of aspartame create scare mongering websites and then debunk them?
> (There are several levels to it if you think about it.)
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I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: http://www.abmdr.org.au/ http://www.marrow.org/
MikesBrain - 01 Oct 2005 21:54 GMT 2005-10-01, Responding to spodosaurus...
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>>><unsubstantiated ranting snipped> >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > avoid it, just like people who have reactions to MSG > should avoid that food additive as well! You're seeing something I'm not posting here. You probably missed the FWIW bit?
>> 2/ You missed my point by a mile. Go read my post again huh? ;\ > > So your point was that the manufacturers of aspartame create scare > mongering websites and then debunk them? Well, I did kinda say that possibility was what I was talking about didn't I?
My point in making the point I made (?) was to point out that just because its on snopes, doesn't mean the whole thing is dead. Though I'm pretty sure I'm not about to turn into a flesh-eating zombie due to that can of diet-croak I glugged a few years back, one needs to keep in mind that sometimes the "paranoid rantings" may have a grain of truth in them, or may even be diverting attention from something that actually does need looking it.
If I were a huge conglomo, I'd be either friends with, or a clear potential threat to, the main online outfits that appear to be independant, and I'd make sure they all got a regular does of misinformation just to "queer" their reputations for accuracy. Its common practice, so therefore one should treat all online "info" with caution. Independant stops when the lawyers point out that Conglomo could afford to bury you with less money than they'd lose if they didn't. Its a numbers game and all the players know it, including those punting for a job with the very corporations they "expose" etc. (Study the UK Guardian NewPaper, for instance, and note how it has avoided being wiped out by conglomo seige lawsuits. Interesting, that one...)
And BTW, I didn't "claim" anything, ok? ;\
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