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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / September 2005Re: Katrina
From: "Rosemarie Shiver" <post147@strato.net> Subject: Re: Re: Katrina Date: Friday, September 02, 2005 2:29 PM Harv, dear, I know you know a little, but you don't know enough. You've never experienced anything remotely close...your floods were a drop in the bucket compared to this. Walt can be so very easy going 'cuz he's very ignorant of what's involved and doesn't WANT to know...he wants to be superior to those who couldn't get out. You know better but don't sound like it. How 'bout a higher level of compassion and dedication to those who are suffering now, and will be for a long time to come? Years to come? You don't have the excuse of distance from it and wanting to be ignorant of the severity like Walt does. Brought On With Hugs from Rosie I want you to try to understand the mistake in your thinking. Compassion and dedication by itself solves nothing. It takes action. We have stepped up to the problem where I live. We are doing what we can to help the people that have lost the life they have known...... We are seeing the results of 50 years of people hiding from the fact that they live on the edge. Walt has said what others have said in that we need to ATLEAST be able to take care of ourselves for 3 days while the different governments put together what the people need to survive. I do not understand what you are trying to say or imply or suggest....... Please say something that is constructive..... OOOKkkkkk what has happened is far worse than anyone could of even thought of. That in itself does not mean,,,,,,, what does that mean to you Rosie...... The area,,,, the politics,,,,, have been controlled by the DEMS...... Is it too painful for your mind to grasp that they have not done what they could for their people..... All of this wraps around the fact the protection for the city of NO failed...... Lets you and I see if they pay the price for the failure. All the lives lost and it is going to be in the thousands,,,,, all the homes and family lives,,,, lost,,,,when you look into the faces of the people coming from that area,,,, it is more pain than I can live with....... I must step back from the way your mind works and KNOW that what can be done is being done if people like you get out of the way. Harv > From: "Rosemarie Shiver" <post147@strato.net> > Subject: Re: Re: Katrina [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > All of this wraps around the fact the protection for the city of NO > failed...... uh hunh. yeppers, the city's protection sure did fail, harv. wonder where the rebumlingcans put that 20 billion dollars, to strengthen the new orleans' levees, that rebumlingcans cut from the budget awhile back? it's probably in that transportation bill that's full of more pork than transportation. but it's all the fault of the "dems" isn't it, harv? i mean, local "dems" had all the resources they needed, to contend with the very sudden power, sewage, water, highway and infrastructure failures that just happened to happen all at once in the 34th largest american city, didn't they, harv? heck yeah, and that's pretty apparent, isn't it? and lousianna's nation guard was right handy for them to avail themselves of in this time of dire need, wasn't it harv? oh, that's right, most of them are in iraq and afganistan. the "dems" musta forgot that. guess louisianna's "dems" shoulda drafted their own army before katrina hit. gee, and how stupid are people who barely make it from paycheck to paycheck not to have enough money to get out of the city when evacuation is called for? heck, why didn't they just walk to texas? my point is---QUIT politizing this, harv. you don't know what you are talking about and sound like you are dribbling down your shirt. this is a human tragedy of enormous proportions. lots of things contributed to its dynamics and not just "dems"! i applaud texas, and all of the surrounding states, for the generosity of spirit they've demonstrated to the victims of colossal national disaster relief inadequacy. i applaud all the people of the rest of this country, and other countries, for their willingness to also give from their hearts. but, like most of them, i feel i could do no less than that. btw, i think if my home were filling up with katrina storm surges as fast as new orleans' homes were, i don't think i'd even remember where i put my $50 survival kit. while i was on the way up to my roof, i think i'd be more concerned about helping get my family up on the roof with me, especially if some were frail, too young to help themselves, or couldn't swim. maybe, if i were lucky, it would just float up with us, instead of washing out of the house with the storm surge and the rest of our belongings. kate GRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr . . . Lets you and I see if they pay the price for the failure. > All the lives lost and it is going to be in the thousands,,,,, all the > homes and family lives,,,, lost,,,,when you look into the faces of the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Harv > uh hunh. yeppers, the city's protection sure did fail, harv. wonder > where the rebumlingcans put that 20 billion dollars, to strengthen the new > orleans' levees, that rebumlingcans cut from the budget awhile back? it's > probably in that transportation bill that's full of more pork than > transportation. but it's all the fault of the "dems" isn't it, harv? The condition of those dikes and the fact that the gov. did not call the guard in right away is there fault and time will prove that to even you. i > mean, local "dems" had all the resources they needed, to contend with the > very sudden power, sewage, water, highway and infrastructure failures that > just happened to happen all at once in the 34th largest american city, > didn't they, harv? No,,, they did not but it was the dikes failing that caused all of that. heck yeah, and that's pretty apparent, isn't it? and > lousianna's nation guard was right handy for them to avail themselves of > in this time of dire need, wasn't it harv? That is up to the gov. of the state and not the Federal gov. but you surely know that. oh, that's right, most of them are > in iraq and afganistan. the "dems" musta forgot that. That is political bull sh.t and you know it. guess louisianna's > "dems" shoulda drafted their own army before katrina hit. gee, and how > stupid are people who barely make it from paycheck to paycheck not to have > enough money to get out of the city when evacuation is called for? heck, > why didn't they just walk to texas? Are you making some kind of point or talking high school politics. > my point is---QUIT politizing this, harv. Read your own words. you don't know what you are > talking about and sound like you are dribbling down your shirt. this is a > human tragedy of enormous proportions. lots of things contributed to its > dynamics and not just "dems"! You can not substitute personal abuse with your words for clear headed thinking. > i applaud texas, and all of the surrounding states, for the generosity of > spirit they've demonstrated to the victims of colossal national disaster > relief inadequacy. i applaud all the people of the rest of this country, > and other countries, for their willingness to also give from their hearts. > but, like most of them, i feel i could do no less than that. You and I agree on this. > btw, i think if my home were filling up with katrina storm surges as fast > as new orleans' homes were, i don't think i'd even remember where i put my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > washing out of the house with the storm surge and the rest of our > belongings. Like Rosie,,,, you can not see that the average person should be as ready as they can to face every type of threat. You make light of what a person should do if they take personal responsibility for as much of their life as they can. Everyone should of got the hell out just like the mayor said but there was no plan for the people that could not. That can not be changed now,,,,,,, all of us will do the best we can to deal with what has taken place or will take place and live with it. > kate > GRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr . . . [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> Harv >> uh hunh. yeppers, the city's protection sure did fail, harv. wonder >> where the rebumlingcans put that 20 billion dollars, to strengthen the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The condition of those dikes and the fact that the gov. did not call the > guard in right away is there fault and time will prove that to even you. <smile> > i >> mean, local "dems" had all the resources they needed, to contend with the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > No,,, they did not but it was the dikes failing that caused all of that. <smile> yep. it sure did. > heck yeah, and that's pretty apparent, isn't it? and >> lousianna's nation guard was right handy for them to avail themselves of >> in this time of dire need, wasn't it harv? > > That is up to the gov. of the state and not the Federal gov. but you > surely know that. <smile> > oh, that's right, most of them are >> in iraq and afganistan. the "dems" musta forgot that. > > That is political bull sh.t and you know it. <smile> so's the fact that a lot of their essential and necessary national guard equipment was not in the state, i suppose. hmmm . . . and not in the country, either. > guess louisianna's >> "dems" shoulda drafted their own army before katrina hit. gee, and how [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Are you making some kind of point or talking high school politics. <smile> >> my point is---QUIT politizing this, harv. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You can not substitute personal abuse with your words for clear headed > thinking. <smile> hey, you do that all the time. why aren't i entitled to do so, too? oh, i forgot, only rebumlingcans are allowed to. >> i applaud texas, and all of the surrounding states, for the generosity of >> spirit they've demonstrated to the victims of colossal national disaster [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > take personal > responsibility for as much of their life as they can. <smile> no, i wasn't. i was telling you that i wouldn't have even remembered my survival kit, in the face of that kind of disaster. i frankly know i wouldn't have remembered it. Everyone should of > got the hell out just > like the mayor said but there was no plan for the people that could not. <yep> > That can not be > changed now,,,,,,, all of us will do the best we can to deal with what has > taken place or will > take place and live with it. <yep> >> kate >> GRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr . . . [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>> >>> Harv I didn't wanna go there...but I'm glad you did, Kate. d'huit Hugs from Rosie  Signature"If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself." -- Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II > > >> uh hunh. yeppers, the city's protection sure did fail, harv. wonder [quoted text clipped - 112 lines] > >>> > >>> Harv 2005-09-03, Responding to Harvey R. Stone... [...] > Like Rosie,,,, you can not see that the average person > should be as ready as they can to face every type of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the mayor said but there was no plan for the people that > could not. This argument appears to be based on two differing views. One appears to be saying that people who live in risky places should at least have made basic preparations for predictable and inevitable emergencies, and not just expect "The Guvmint" to have done everything to provide them with a "Click here to escape" solution delivered to their door in a pretty parcel. Sounds like common sense to me. The other seems to be saying that amongst the preparations, collective work such as upgrading a levee, ensuring permanent availability of disaster-management/recovery facilities etc. should have been put in place by now, but have been prevented by Gov.Corp fund-raiding for other "business plans". Also seem to be the case. But these are two different subjects IMO. How about splitting the thread? My best wishes to all in peril at this time. My admiration to those actually doing something. My condemnation to those who stole the levee that should have been, whoever and wherever they are, and those who contributed to screwing our enviromnent till it screams, like it just did, again. I hereby forgo my 2cents. Note: I would imagine a number of people actually chose to stay to avoid possible workcamps with armed guards. Paranoid? Dig back in history a little. Signature---- * Another squeaking wheel @ http://tinyurl.com/6bf56 * Mike's (curious) Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c - Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) |
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