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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / September 2005Discuss
What do you think? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4183916.stm -- Andy It ai'nt scientific Peter > What do you think? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4183916.stm For someone with a bit more science than I have. Aren't allergy shots a form of homeopathy? Jo >>What do you think? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jo No. Allergy shots work by training your immune system to self regulate better for the long term for a limited set of proteins (antigens). Homeopathy uses dilutions of a variety of substances, often with nothing to do with what's ailing a person (just random crap), that are so extreme as to be completely useless...except as a placebo. There is no immune mediation to it at all. It's quackery.  Signaturespammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: http://www.abmdr.org.au/ http://www.marrow.org/ > What do you think? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4183916.stm > > -- > Andy I totally agree with the conclusion of the studies. I think its all a con trick to part people from their money. I don't believe that homeopathy works in the way its "supposed to" work and that if there are any effects it is a placebo effect only. I don't think that it should be available on the NHS. I also have grave doubts about some other so called alternative or complimentary medicine. Not that conventional medicine has all the answers either for that matter. Jackie ( Gloucestershire) who has RA I do not agree totally, I have travelled many countries, amongst which the really wild part of the Pantanal in Brasil. A year before both of us suffered a bad diarreah while travelling France and Spain, purchased the usual stuff to stop it but it just didn't work, took *weeks* to get rid of it once we were back in The Netherlands. It did go away after using homeopathic drops which we didn't really believe in and was advised by a friend. The year after we flew to Brasil and did a great deal of backpacktravel, then one day bad diarreah once again, we used the drops (I must admit I took more than advised on the bottle and a bit more frequent) but it went after only an hour. Same in Australia. When we travel we always take a bottle of the stuff and so far it works much better than any of the regular stuff we've tried. And no obstipation afterwards, which we like even better. Not all of it has helped me but the anti-dhiarrea drops do. And the stuff for woundhealing and scartissue has helped me. My mum used to be a secretary for the dutch foundation and seeing all that has made me very cautious about believing in the stuff, so for me it wasn't like "I believe and therefore homeopathic meds always help". On the contrary, and having said that, I have been on regular meds like Plaquenil that didn't do a thing for me. And that wasn't placebo either. I guess it all depends. Nikki >>What do you think? >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jackie ( Gloucestershire) who has RA Me too Nikki. Had good luck with some and not so good luck with others. In the 15 years before someone believed me about my arthritis, I lived on arnica montana and something that started with an R that I think came from poison ivy. I probably would have done myself in had it not been for those two. They allowed me to cut the self medicating dose of aspirin from 14 a day to half that. Rescue remedy is another that works wonders for feral cats and one cat we had named Sadie Monster. Pretty sure a feral cat didn't think 'oh thank heavens they gave me something to feel less fearful.' And the one cross over to 'real' medicine are those little tablets that heart patients tuck under their tongues. Guess what nitro tabs are? Bet heart patients that use them don't consider them placebos. Some things work and some things don't but the same can be said of 'real' medicine. That is why there are so many DMARD's out there as well as pain killers and why some work for some people and some don't and some cause allergies and some don't and none are considered placebos. Broad strokes against and for anything are wrong. But having defended non traditional, I will be the first to argue FOR starting a DMARD ASAP. There -- without Melinda here to defend the other side, I think I did a fairly good job. Duckie > I do not agree totally, > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >> >> Jackie ( Gloucestershire) who has RA Signature_('> (_<_) _ _('< -quack (_<_) _ __('< *QUACK!* <_{__) _('< "|,,|_" (_<_) _('< "AFLAC!" (_<_) Don't confuse herbal remedies with homeopathic remedies. The two are quite different. Herbal remedies actually contain an active ingredient. Homeopathic remedies are diluted to the point of having virtually no molecules of the active ingredient included. In other words, they're placebos, and have been shown to be such. Cheers, Ari > Me too Nikki. Had good luck with some and not so good luck with others. > In the 15 years before someone believed me about my arthritis, I lived [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >>> >>> Jackie ( Gloucestershire) who has RA Signaturespammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: http://www.abmdr.org.au/ http://www.marrow.org/ I don't confuse anything Ari, endless discussion this one, I am just not into placebos and nothing has been shown yet about homeopathic remedies by science, just because they haven't found a way besides the known ones to find out how they work. Perhaps because producers of regular meds feel the competition? I don't care, I take what helps and throw away what doesn't. The diahrrea drops do help, and the regular meds don't. No placebos there. I use both, depending on what I need them for. Haven't found any hom.remedy for R.A. myself so that's why I am on Enbrel and Prednisolon. So use whatever suits you and helps best. Nikki > Don't confuse herbal remedies with homeopathic remedies. The two are > quite different. Herbal remedies actually contain an active ingredient. [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] >>>> >>>> Jackie ( Gloucestershire) who has RA In the end, I suppose, if you think it helps you, that's what counts. You take responsibility for your own body and if you believe in homeopathy, that's OK, but you can't expect everbody to take the same point of view. Evidence based treatment is what I look for. Peter >I don't confuse anything Ari, endless discussion this one, I am just not >into placebos and nothing has been shown yet about homeopathic remedies >by science, just because they haven't found a way besides the known ones >to find out how they work. i have never seen any sign of homeopathy working. otoh, i've evidence of my own of herbal remedies working (quite apart from your excellent-sounding diarrhoea drops). >Perhaps because producers of regular meds feel the competition? no: the drug companies feel the pain of people sueing them for ridiculous damages, but not of homeopathic medicine. and they pay serious attention to herbal remedies, on the look-out for something they could possibly commercialise. remember, aspirin, the original "wonder drug", was a commercialisation of a herbal remedy. (in this case, commercialisation took the form of reformulating as a drug that was *far* less dangerous to the stomach; the original willow-based stuff wasn't something you could take, long term, at any level.) >I don't care, I take what helps and throw away what doesn't. >The diahrrea drops do help, and the regular meds don't. No placebos there. >I use both, depending on what I need them for. >Haven't found any hom.remedy for R.A. myself so that's why I am on >Enbrel and Prednisolon. again, i imagine you're thinking of herbal remedies. i've had homeopathy recommendations for my psoriasis and my p.arthritis, and i've seen no sign that they do anything. there are of course herbal remedies, since you can go back to tincture of willow: it's an anti-inflammatory, like aspirin. but don't take much of it, or you'll die. >So use whatever suits you and helps best. of course. SignatureRobin (http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq) Fairbairns, Cambridge |
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