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OTP: MY Mugger went to court on Monday...

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RoseB - 11 Aug 2005 05:38 GMT
and she has now been remanded until September 14th, because her lawyer
has petitioned the court for "considerations". I am not sure what
those considerations may be; the Victim's Services people will call me
when they find out.

I asked what they could potentially be and she said they may ask that
the case be removed from the criminal system and be dealt with in the
community with her doing community work and not be left with a
criminal record.

It doesn't seem right to me, unless one of the considerations is that
she go into treatment.

    Rose   @}>->--
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Newsgroup Spambuster - 11 Aug 2005 06:05 GMT
Wow, Rose, I agree with you.   If she gets any special considerations,
it certainly should include treatment for her drug use as a mandatory
condition.   This lady needs help and the courts need to realize how
much trauma she caused by her actions!!!

Keep us posted as to how things go and sending lots of calming, soothing
prayers your way!

Donna G
RoseB - 11 Aug 2005 06:51 GMT
>Keep us posted as to how things go and sending lots of calming, soothing
>prayers your way!
>
>Donna G

Thanks Donna.
One could argue that in Canada our drug laws are far too lenient.
There are multiiple charges that could be laid against this woman
including uttering threats as well as the mugging with force.

Thanks for your concern.
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Carole - 11 Aug 2005 09:08 GMT
Let us know, Rose. I'd like to know what considerations they are looking
for. Maybe it's treatment for her drug abuse, but she is still
responsible for her actions against you!

Carole

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vickie b. - 11 Aug 2005 10:58 GMT
Rose,

It sounds like I missed the beginning of this!  But I'm sorry that you
had to go through this!  

Love and Prayers,

Vickie B.
Duckie - 11 Aug 2005 18:37 GMT
Can you let the judge know that you need special
considerations for what this human [changed that word
to be nice] did to you?
Duckie

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Rosemarie Shiver - 12 Aug 2005 02:50 GMT
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> and she has now been remanded until September 14th, because her lawyer
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RoseB - 12 Aug 2005 04:05 GMT
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Robert Green - 12 Aug 2005 11:05 GMT
Hi Rose,

I'm a little late to this thread but a similar thing happened to a friend of
mine.  When it appeared that the judge was going to be extraordinarily
lenient on her attacker (he used a hammer!!!), she got on the phone and
called all her friends and asked them to attend the court hearings.  We
packed her side of the courtroom, stared intently at him and many took notes
furiously.  It was clear he was spooked!

When judges think their actions are going to be scrutinized more closely
then usual, they often re-think their unfortunate tendency to ignore the
victim and coddle the criminal.  I'd look through the local newspapers to
see which reporters cover courthouse beats and send the details of your case
to them as well and ask if they can cover the hearing.  You should be
willing to give an interview if you decide to involve them.

Do you know if the mugger is currently in jail (that's one meaning of
"remand") awaiting trial or a hearing?  Sometimes judges consider that
pre-trial detention as "time served" and move the case to a community
adjudication venue.  I assume by your email addy that you are Canadian, so
my American advice may not be worth very much.  In the US, you can also
"reach out" to a victim's advocacy group. Most major jurisdictions in the
states have such programs, mostly because of incidents like yours where the
victim is the *last* person in the process to get any consideration. <sigh>

Bonne chance!

--
Bobby G.

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RoseB - 12 Aug 2005 17:25 GMT
>Bonne chance!
Merci!

Yes I am Candadian, and also in a small city so I believe the process
is a little different. I am dealing with Victim's Services, and they
are keeping me updated and giving advice.
The woman is not in jail, and has served no time. The latest I have
heard is that this case can take many months before reaching the stage
where she would be sentenced (if she is). I don't understand the
process when it seems that it should be so simple, after all, she
confessed.

Thanks again.
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Gwen Love - 12 Aug 2005 19:16 GMT
Rose, I hope you don't have to wait a long time to see what happens to her.
She surely deserves jail time.
Gwen

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Robert Green - 13 Aug 2005 01:01 GMT
"RoseB" <Imarosab.1@shaw.ca> wrote in message

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> >Bonne chance!
> Merci!
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> Yes I am Candadian,

Is that like being a Sugardadian?  (sorry, it was too good to pass up!)

> and also in a small city so I believe the process
> is a little different. I am dealing with Victim's Services, and they
> are keeping me updated and giving advice.

That's excellent.  Believe it or not, there was a time when no one ever
thought that victims should have advocates to help them through the process.

> The woman is not in jail, and has served no time. The latest I have
> heard is that this case can take many months before reaching the stage
> where she would be sentenced (if she is). I don't understand the
> process when it seems that it should be so simple, after all, she
> confessed.

Ah!  You've explained it all.  Here, in the US, accepting a plea bargain is
what it's all about.  The courts unfortunately care more about saving money
than dispensing justice.  That means they often reward those who save the
state the cost of a trial with a reduced sentence or even probation.  They
claim that if they didn't do it, the courts would be swamped and trials
would be delayed by years.  I personally don't believe it, but that doesn't
matter because judges and prosecutors do and act accordingly.

Her willingness to admit her crime is undoubtedly going to result in a far
lighter sentence than if she had contested the charges at trial.   In the
hammer attack case I alluded to, the guy got five years (he'll be out in two
or three if he behaves) but he faced 20 years for attempted murder if he had
chosen to go to trial.  Sometimes I think modern jurisprudence owes more to
Monty Hall and the TV show "Let's Make a Deal" than it does to the Magna
Carta, the Constitution and basic human decency.

Strangely enough, the best thing you can do is hook her up with an attorney
who would insist on a trial.  They often do because it means higher fees,
even if it's enormously risky for the client.  I wouldn;t recommend it,
really.  The last thing you want to do is relive that awful moment, and
that's what happens at trial.  Victims often say it's like getting mugged or
robbed or raped all over again.

Real justice would be to tell her "we've arranged for you to be beaten and
mugged sometime during the next year."  Living with that fear for a year
would at least approach the suffering you're going through.  Judges and
prosecutors who have never been physically assaulted really don't understand
what you've been through.  My friend's attorney *had* been assaulted once
and as a result she approached the case with a zeal that proved you must
walk a mile in another person's shoes to know how they feel.

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Bobby G.
RoseB - 13 Aug 2005 01:30 GMT
>"RoseB" <Imarosab.1@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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>Is that like being a Sugardadian?  (sorry, it was too good to pass up!)

A Canadian I am, a good typist I am not. LOL

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Squirrely - 15 Aug 2005 03:32 GMT
Oh Rose,

I hope this is soon over for you and that she gets what is coming to her. I
hope they don't just slap her wrist and let her go.

Are you still getting help with it from the Victims Services. Are you doing
ok with it now or still feeling it?

Know that I am always thinking of you.

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Love and hugs to all
Good thoughts coming your way too.

Squirrely Jo

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RoseB - 15 Aug 2005 04:54 GMT
>Oh Rose,
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>Know that I am always thinking of you.
Thank-you,
The police officer came by today and left me some forms so that I
could do an impact statement. He gave me a bit more information and we
had a good talk. He scared the poop out of me when he drove up because
I hadf been expecting my sister, and when she had not shown up, I had
wondered if she were in an accident. When he handed me the papers, I
started to relax.

From what he told me, she may be sentenced to a locked treatment
facility. I hope that happens.
    Rose   @}>->--
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Squirrely - 15 Aug 2005 20:36 GMT
Oh Rose, I hope that happens too.

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Love and hugs to all
Good thoughts coming your way too.

Squirrely Jo

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