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Alex Barna - 20 Jul 2005 22:42 GMT Google is offering a free download of Google Earth an interactive globe program. Fun for kids of all ages.
http://earth.google.com/
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Jo Firey - 20 Jul 2005 23:31 GMT > Google is offering a free download of Google Earth an interactive globe > program. Fun for kids of all ages. > > http://earth.google.com/ > > GramPaHugs, Its a blast. I downloaded it last night. It is also good for finding places that are confusing on a map. Detail is better is large urban areas however.
Jo
Kelly C. - 21 Jul 2005 02:04 GMT > Google is offering a free download of Google Earth an interactive globe > program. Fun for kids of all ages. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > GramPaHugs, > Alex, Too bad that 98se isn't supported...I have all the other specs. down cold, including 3D video card and tons of RAM.
Kelly C.
Lyn@up.late - 21 Jul 2005 07:38 GMT Don't believe everything you read. I'm running 98 SE and I was running Keyhole which I believe is what google is using. I had to upgrade my video driver to get it to work but after that things worked just fine.
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Kelly C. - 21 Jul 2005 14:07 GMT > Don't believe everything you read. I'm running 98 SE and I was > running Keyhole which I believe is what google is using. I had to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://members.shaw.ca/Lynuplate/ I actually did try and download it, but got an error message saying my system wasn't compatible. :(
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Alex - 21 Jul 2005 16:59 GMT > Don't believe everything you read. I'm running 98 SE and I was > running Keyhole which I believe is what google is using. I had to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://members.shaw.ca/Lynuplate/ Hi Lyn, If you try to goto keyhole.com you are redirected to http://earth.google.com/
That is how I found the google site, trying to get to keyhole.com.
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Mary Z - 21 Jul 2005 04:42 GMT >Google is offering a free download of Google Earth an interactive >globe program. Fun for kids of all ages. Cool and fun but it did crash on me a couple times.
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Skip - 03 Sep 2005 21:23 GMT It was a loverly concept - see the earth, see my house. What I saw was a repair bill for a new hard drive. Ah well, it was dying anyway. Got set up again today and what a lot of posts - I look forward to catching up!
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> Google is offering a free download of Google Earth an interactive globe > program. Fun for kids of all ages. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > * <a href="http://grampahugs.ath.cx/">AOL Click</a> > **************************************************** Harvey R. Stone - 04 Sep 2005 13:54 GMT > It was a loverly concept - see the earth, see my house. > What I saw was a repair bill for a new hard drive. Ah well, it was dying > anyway. Got set up again today and what a lot of posts - I look forward > to catching up! > > Skip Welcome back Skip. I had to have a new hard drive and motherboard which took a larger case. LOLOLOL That is a new computer, I guess. Harv
Skip - 04 Sep 2005 14:23 GMT I have to admit Harv, there is something nice about starting over with an empty hard drive - except for the email addresses I lost. (sigh) Added a lot more anitvirus stuff this time too lol!
Skip
>> It was a loverly concept - see the earth, see my house. >> What I saw was a repair bill for a new hard drive. Ah well, it was dying [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > took a larger case. LOLOLOL That is a new computer, I guess. > Harv Harvey R. Stone - 04 Sep 2005 14:50 GMT >I have to admit Harv, there is something nice about starting over with an >empty hard drive - except for the email addresses I lost. (sigh) Added a >lot more anitvirus stuff this time too lol! > > Skip LOLOL, I have programs checking on programs to fight worms, viruses and stuff. It is part of our world. I will say that they catch one of those Bas^%$# every now and then. Does my heart good. I do believe in people getting what they deserve after being computer terrorists. Harv
MikesBrain - 05 Sep 2005 01:45 GMT 2005-09-04, Responding to Harvey R. Stone...
> LOLOL, I have programs checking on programs to fight > worms, viruses and stuff. It is part of our world. I > will say that they catch one of those Bas^%$# every now > and then. Does my heart good. I do believe in people > getting what they deserve after being computer terrorists. "Its part of our world". Hmmm... Its part of an unsecurable OS that will continue to provide not only an easy-target playground for pranksters and online criminals, vandals, etc. but a pretty stable income from all those "security specialist" companies that just never seem to catchup do they? ;\
In insisting on using such a disfunctional computer operating system, KNOWING how insecure it is, the average "Clicker" who relies on "Click here to secure your computer" is providing the environment that actually causes this problem to exist on such a large scale. (Search "zombie")
And it is this single factor, the sheer scale of the problem, that makes it the phenomenon it is. If the problem were say guns, and criminals were just literally walking into gun-owner's homes and taking them, you'd think that these gun-owners would be taken to task for failing to secure their weapons, yes? If you leave your computer wide open, or simply cross your fingers and hope Billy got one right this time (Ha!) whilst "Clicking" and hoping that latest patch (most likely already at least six months out of date) will fix things, remember that M$ often contract out their "Windows Updates" to companies that use Linux and/or FreeBSD systems. Can you guess why? (IBM/Compaq etc. also do this on the quiet)
Its no good moaning about your missing silverware if you're going to leave your back door not only wide open, but off it's hinges. Good security starts with you, not Billy.
BTW... What the **** is a "computer terrorist" ?
Or is this just the latest buzzword?
P.S. My virus infestation to date. Zero. Can you guess how I achieved this?
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Navy1 - 05 Sep 2005 14:08 GMT <clip>
>P.S. My virus infestation to date. Zero. > Can you guess how I achieved this? I may need to knock on wood, but I keep my Norton up-to-date each time there is an upgrade. I also have it on automatic update and scheduled scan once a week. If there is a notification of a new worm, I live update and then do a complete scan. I always scan any new program and/or demos I download. I never click on "click here to unsubscribe" unless it is a message from an address that I am familiar with. I have two sons who work in computer fields, so get a lot of advice. I also never respond to "get rich in ....." Number 1, to get rich because of "found" funds is against my beliefs. Number 2, a lot of those offers are illegal. I also use the "filter" part of my email program (Eudora).
Any additional suggestions, anyone?
Loujean Retired and love it. Throw that FISH out and put in an S to email me.
Carole - 05 Sep 2005 18:29 GMT When I had a PC, I used PC-cillin. I loved it because it checked for updates everytime I went online when I was on dial up. Once I went to DSL, it constantly checked. I never had a virus and it also checked and quarantined any email with virus attachements. I always recommended it to people.
BTW, if you think you might have a virus, the PC-cillin website has an online doctor you can use to see if you have one, and if you do it will clean it for you. It's called House Call. Their site is at http://antivirus.com
Now I have a Mac and there are no worries :)
Carole :)
> I may need to knock on wood, but I keep my Norton up-to-date each time
> there is an upgrade. I also have it on automatic update and scheduled > scan once a week. If there is a notification of a new worm, I live [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Throw that FISH out and > put in an S to email me. MikesBrain - 06 Sep 2005 01:04 GMT 2005-09-05, Responding to Carole...
> When I had a PC, I used PC-cillin. I loved it because it checked for > updates everytime I went online when I was on dial up. Once I went to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Now I have a Mac and there are no worries :) It doesn't bother you that you are allowing a remote process to access your system like this?
I assume it uses a secured connection while it does this?
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MikesBrain - 06 Sep 2005 01:02 GMT 2005-09-05, Responding to Navy1...
><clip> >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Any additional suggestions, anyone? To "get" a virus (often actually little more than an exploit of a M$ operating system's continuing crapness ;) you need to download it, and then activate it.
This is easy with WinDOHs as the browser is integrated into the systemss primary functions, including the Explorer components of the file managment mechanisms. With no effective file-permission capacity to protect all the files that make up the "system", once something is active, it has unrestricted access to virtually every part of the system.
When you add all those built-in auto-this and auto-that functions (many of which do things without asking you, or even letting you know that they are doing something), you have a paid-up ticket to zombie-town.
The best way to avoid such events is, as you suggest here, to break the link in the chain between delivery and activation of malicious code. Step one is of course to avoid allowing it into your system in the first place, and filters are a good way to start. Coupled with programs that cannot be recruited into "performing" also helps, like using a plain-text only Email proggie, and similar newsgroup software, dumping Active-X (a HUGE security hole), not allowing Java etc. all help to reduce that list of routes into your system.
Of course, non of this is worth a damn if the system these programs work within is riddled with holes itself.
A firewall can also help, but it has to work independant of the operating system. For instance, XP's "firewall" is simply an incoming filter, and limited in what it will filter too. If something nasty gets into your system, and accesses all those non-secured files including your system binaries etc. then it has free range to "send out" via almost any method it chooses, and can download all the "extras" it needs to complete it's "tasklist".
Then you have the ever growing list of spyware programs. some declare their intent to transmit your data to locations unknown (read the EUA, in depth!) and some will "collect" the extra bits they need to "set up camp" in your system as you use them.
Several (most) major software companies use "phone-home" loopholes (that you agreed to on installation, wether you knew it or not) that exploiters can recruit to give them access to at least a regular scan of your system that you may never know happened, the data from which may be sold on to others who have their own uses for it, including sneaking in spyware and zombie control bugs for later use, maybe a DoS attack where you will be the one(s) the traces lead back to and so on..
Securing your system is an ongoing process of learning really. As has been said, security is not a "solution", its a practice.
Step-1 Don't download the stuff
Step-2 Don't activate it
Step-3 Don't run unsecurable software.
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Harvey R. Stone - 05 Sep 2005 14:09 GMT > BTW... What the **** is a "computer terrorist" ? The person that abuses innocent, unsuspecting people with worms or viruses. The oh so smart basterds that try to make themselves important with what they do to the world around them like the kind we see in the news each day killing people that have nothing to do with f&^%$ cause.
Harv
MikesBrain - 06 Sep 2005 01:06 GMT 2005-09-05, Responding to Harvey R. Stone...
>> BTW... What the **** is a "computer terrorist" ? > > The person that abuses innocent, unsuspecting people with worms or viruses. Ok... so thats the computer bit...
> The oh so smart basterds that try to make themselves important with what > they do to the world around them like the kind we see in the news each day > killing people that have nothing to do with f&^%$ cause. Ok... so thats the terrorist bit...
Not sure how you've connected them into one concept here?
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Don Kirkman - 05 Sep 2005 23:00 GMT It seems to me I heard somewhere that MikesBrain wrote in article <_yMSe.3945$ix3.1206@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
>2005-09-04, Responding to Harvey R. Stone...
>> LOLOL, I have programs checking on programs to fight >> worms, viruses and stuff. It is part of our world. I >> will say that they catch one of those Bas^%$# every now >> and then. Does my heart good. I do believe in people >> getting what they deserve after being computer terrorists. [. . .]
>P.S. My virus infestation to date. Zero. > Can you guess how I achieved this? Possibly the same way I've survived about ten years under various versions of Windows without problems: use programs (newsreader Agent, browser Opera, for instance) that don't the MS vulnerabilities, use dependable antivirus programs (like Symantec *used* to be), use a dependable firewall (which some of the big names *used* to be), use your brain about how to handle strange files that try to get into your system or somehow do slip in. It's only partly the OS and the software; the rest is on the user's shoulders.
IOW, common sense and a modicum of knowledge.
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MikesBrain - 06 Sep 2005 01:14 GMT 2005-09-05, Responding to Don Kirkman...
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that MikesBrain wrote in article ><_yMSe.3945$ix3.1206@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > IOW, common sense and a modicum of knowledge. Not bad, not bad at all. Now all you need is a securable operating system to run it all on. ;)
Interestingly enough, the Linux Kernel (at least the default form 99% of distros) comes with a serious firewall capability already built in at the root of the system. (Search "iptables") Half the internet is protected by this or similar. There is no WinDOHs equivalent BTW. :(
Then there are those lovely file permissions. If it ain't your file, you don't get to see it. If you don't have permission to use it, prepare to be logged (and refused). Again, no WinDOHs equivalent.
Oh the fun never stops! :)
Have fun. ;\
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Don Kirkman - 06 Sep 2005 20:52 GMT It seems to me I heard somewhere that MikesBrain wrote in article <Hb5Te.496$k22.484@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
>2005-09-05, Responding to Don Kirkman... >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that MikesBrain wrote in article >><_yMSe.3945$ix3.1206@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
>>>2005-09-04, Responding to Harvey R. Stone...
>>>> LOLOL, I have programs checking on programs to fight >>>> worms, viruses and stuff. It is part of our world. I >>>> will say that they catch one of those Bas^%$# every now >>>> and then. Does my heart good. I do believe in people >>>> getting what they deserve after being computer terrorists.
>> [. . .]
>>>P.S. My virus infestation to date. Zero. >>> Can you guess how I achieved this?
>> Possibly the same way I've survived about ten years under various >> versions of Windows without problems: use programs (newsreader Agent, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> or somehow do slip in. It's only partly the OS and the software; the >> rest is on the user's shoulders.
>> IOW, common sense and a modicum of knowledge.
>Not bad, not bad at all. Now all you need is a securable >operating system to run it all on. ;) You apparently missed the reference to ten years (actually more than that, back to Windows 386) without problems. I do have the system buttoned up, and probably 98%+ of the vulnerabilities depend on Windows functions that I don't use.
>Interestingly enough, the Linux Kernel (at least the default >form 99% of distros) comes with a serious firewall >capability already built in at the root of the system. >(Search "iptables") Half the internet is protected by this >or similar. There is no WinDOHs equivalent BTW. :( Did I mention that I have a firewall in place? Are you assuming that it's XP's?
>Then there are those lovely file permissions. If it ain't >your file, you don't get to see it. If you don't have >permission to use it, prepare to be logged (and refused). >Again, no WinDOHs equivalent. I don't know what file permissions you're talking about. Perhaps you're only acquainted with the MS side of the PC world and not all the independent Windows software that doesn't have the same weaknesses.
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MikesBrain - 06 Sep 2005 22:39 GMT 2005-09-06, Responding to Don Kirkman...
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>>Not bad, not bad at all. Now all you need is a securable >>operating system to run it all on. ;) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > buttoned up, and probably 98%+ of the vulnerabilities depend on Windows > functions that I don't use. T'was a humourous comment.
>>Interestingly enough, the Linux Kernel (at least the default >>form 99% of distros) comes with a serious firewall [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Did I mention that I have a firewall in place? Are you assuming that > it's XP's? Nope. Just woffling a tad.
>>Then there are those lovely file permissions. If it ain't >>your file, you don't get to see it. If you don't have [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > world and not all the independent Windows software that > doesn't have the same weaknesses. www.linux-magazine.com/issue/01/File_Permissions.pdf
Maybe a little reseach into how UNIX/Linux file systems work would give you an idea of how much more securable they are from the start? (And end up asking why M$ continues to deploy their desperately limited file systems when all this is standard fare for other OSs.)
If you think of a Windows system as a domestic house with only one bouncer at the front door, and with orders only to tell certain types they can't come in through that door...
...then think of a UNIX/Linux system as one with an armoured doors and windows you can also make vanish to unwanted snoopers, and each door is a steel door fitted with a passkey system, and you have every corridor and room monitored and connected to alarms so that even if someone was allowed in they couldn't even see what you didn't want them to see, and even if you let them see something, they couldn't do anything with it, and they could be ejected at any time and/or event...
Sound good? ;\
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Alex - 04 Sep 2005 16:18 GMT Hi Skip,
> It was a loverly concept - see the earth, see my house. > What I saw was a repair bill for a new hard drive. Ah well, it was dying > anyway. Got set up again today and what a lot of posts - I look forward to > catching up! > > Skip Don't feel alone. My 233 Gb hard drive lost it's boot sector last month because of a problem with a window$ XP SP1 update & conflict with Check Disk.
I had about 200 GB of TV movies (digital VCR), website stuff & pictures on it & almost lost all of it because I hadn't archive for about a year.
Thanks to Spinrite (http://grc.com/default.htm) I was able to recover my address book, bookmarks, saved messages, family photos & my website files.
GramPaHugs, Alex,
"Alex Barna" <ABARNA@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:OyzDe.23$dR5.3@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>GramPaHugs, >>Alex,
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