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m_eL - 12 Jul 2005 09:04 GMT
I'm having trouble coping.  I don't like my life this way.  I just need to
gripe for a minute.

it's not fair, i'm only 48 and i can't even walk up a flight of stairs or
look down at a desk, kitchen counter, sewing machine, etc.  People say "my
grandma has that" or people my age say "my mom has that"... I know they mean
well.  It's in my cervical spine and now has started to affect my knees, and i
have a pinched nerve and frozen shoulder.  I miss my long walks in the
evenings, or going to work, or even pushing the vacuum without pain.  i resent
being around people who talk about doing this or that, and it's all stuff i
can't do.

I want my body back when it was able to do stuff.  This sucks.  I'm on AD's
already and have anti-anxiety meds, since i had these issues before the
osteoarthritis, but i'm tired of this.   i miss my paycheck and being able to
buy things i want to give to people and occasional goodies for myself.  

i still keep looking for a "cure" becuz there damn well has to be one becuz i
can't imagine adapting to this.   I'm angry.  or sad.   or just kind of hating
myself right now.  i don't feel loved or cherished or special becuz i can't
see myself that way.  i'm trying not to tack my anger onto external things or
other people, becuz it's the arthritis/anxiety/depression that i'm angry at,
without that i think i could deal with the normal crap life throws at
everyone.  Sorry this is so negative, i usually try to see the bright side of
everything but am having a low moment i guess.  Thanks for listening.
Kim - 12 Jul 2005 11:45 GMT
I understand how you feel, I go through that too sometimes.  I'm sure most
people with any form of arthritis do.
Personally I often feel really down being 37 with RA.  Putting on weight
from prednisolone, not being able to exercise how I once could because it
hurts too much.  Having to take all these meds when I didn't have to before.
letting my husband do most of the more physical housework because it hurts
my arms too much.  Having my dog look sadly at me because im too tired to
walk her again or I can only last about 1/4 as long as I used to be able to
walk her.  It does suck, a great deal.  im with you on all that.

I hate that I have a disease too.  I also dislike the comments about oh
arthritis I know so and so with that have you tried this and have you tried
that.  The first 100 times I tried to explain the difference between RA and
other forms of arthritis but after a while you just end up smiling and
nodding and don't bother trying to explain it anymore.  I particularly cant
stand the comments of how well I look, that I don't look like there's
anything wrong with me.  I could be in heaps of pain standing up or trying
to hang out some washing but because I look so well it makes it hard for
people to understand that you really are not all that well.

Vent all you like, I don't mind reading vents as it is comforting in a way
as then I know its not just me that does it.  At least you keep looking and
hoping for a cure, I do that too even though everytime I'm disappointed its
nice to still have optimism don't you agree?  I think we will all have hate
the world times and also accepting times and they will come and go.

does anyone really just ever accept they have this and not question it and
get angry at it now and then?

I'm sorry your feeling so bad about it all right now.

Kim

> I'm having trouble coping.  I don't like my life this way.  I just need to
> gripe for a minute.
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> of
> everything but am having a low moment i guess.  Thanks for listening.
Gary Z - 12 Jul 2005 14:37 GMT
The following reads as oversimplified, but it is also true. I pulled this
from a Medco web sight. I also am on antidepressants meds and they have
helped me to not focus on the disease, but to accept I have it and move
forward as best I can. Used to be very athletic so it has been hard on me to
have to give that all up. I still manage a round of golf (riding) and
usually take a pain med afterward, but not always anymore. I have gained
weight from lack of exercise, but I can do something about that with some
modifications.

Sorry about the bold type, but the response font is automatic as far as I
can tell.

GaryZ

Body, mind, spirit - Making the most of good health requires careful
attention to the body, mind, and spirit. People with osteoarthritis must
plan and develop daily routines that maximize their quality of life and
minimize disability. They also need to evaluate these routines periodically
to make sure they are working well.

Good health also requires a positive attitude. People must decide to make
the most of things when faced with the challenges of osteoarthritis. This
attitude - a good-health mindset - doesn't just happen. It takes work, every
day. And with the right attitude, you will achieve it.

Self-management programs do help
People with osteoarthritis find that self-management programs help them:

 a.. Understand the disease.

 b.. Reduce pain while remaining active.

 c.. Cope physically, emotionally, and mentally.

 d.. Have greater control over the disease.

 e.. Build confidence in their ability to live an active, independent life.
Enjoy A "good-health attitude"
 a.. Focus on your abilities instead of disabilities.

 b.. Focus on your strengths instead of weaknesses.

 c.. Break down activities into small tasks that you can manage.

 d.. Incorporate fitness and nutrition into daily routines.

 e.. Develop methods to minimize and manage stress.

 f.. Balance rest with activity.

 g.. Develop a support system of family, friends, and health professionals.

>> I'm having trouble coping.  I don't like my life this way.  I just need
>> to
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>> side of
>> everything but am having a low moment i guess.  Thanks for listening.
spodosaurus - 12 Jul 2005 16:50 GMT
> I hate that I have a disease too.  I also dislike the comments about oh
> arthritis I know so and so with that have you tried this and have you tried
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> to hang out some washing but because I look so well it makes it hard for
> people to understand that you really are not all that well.

My patience with people doing the 'you look well' crap when I find
myself in a situation where I have to disclose what's going on with me
is starting to wear very thin. A few times recently I've looked them in
the eyes and said "Thank you, I'm relieved to know I'll make a good
looking corpse" or something similar. Unfortunately with me, too often
the 'you look well' turns out to be an accusation: they expect me to be
languishing in a hospital bed, and when I don't meet their expectations
 they imply that I'm really not as sick as I've said. They don't see
the tubes running in through my chest, or the constant blood tests, or
the tranfusions, etc etc etc. They don't want to think about the very
real pain that exists in this world that some of us must endure, so
they'd prefer to think we're exaggerating, and that sh.ts me off to no end.

Ari
spodosaurus - 12 Jul 2005 16:52 GMT
>> I hate that I have a disease too.  I also dislike the comments about
>> oh arthritis I know so and so with that have you tried this and have
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>
> Ari

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firechief - 13 Jul 2005 00:18 GMT
Ari wrote:

> My patience with people doing the 'you look well' crap when I
> find myself in a situation where I have to disclose what's going
> on with me is starting to wear very thin.

Janitors today are sanitation engineers.  Don't downplay your
physical problems.

Stating "arthritis" is like a women replying, "I"m only a housewife."

Use terms like osteophlebitis, osteopoililosis, osteosynovitis,
palindromic rheumatism, hypertropic arthritis (OA). palindromic
arthritis, ankylosing spondylitis.

Ask you doctor for the medical name of what you have and use
that whenever someone snoops/asks.

Is it contagious?  Yeah, I have/carry the HLA-27B marker.

... Tombstone for ELMER FUDD --- W.I.P.
Navy1 - 13 Jul 2005 00:43 GMT
Good idea, firechief.  People won't admit they don't know what you are
talking about.

Loujean
Retired and love it.
Throw that FISH out and
put in an S to email me.

> Ari wrote:
>
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>
>... Tombstone for ELMER FUDD --- W.I.P.
RoseB - 13 Jul 2005 01:14 GMT
>Good idea, firechief.  People won't admit they don't know what you are
>talking about.
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>Throw that FISH out and
>put in an S to email me.

When I was young, I tended to tell people that I had Still's Disease
rather than say I had JRA because then a) people did not really know
what it was;  b) it saved me from the "but you're so young" speech;
and c) it sounded far more exotic than saying arthritis. To me there
was always a stigma associated with the word arthritis because of the
media image portrayed- that you could take two aspirin and instantly
be dancing. The term arthritis did not adequately protray my symptoms
of pain, weakness, and fatigue.
    Rose   @}>->--
    Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown, one seeks to understand it. RB

    Please remove "Ima" to reply.
Navy1 - 13 Jul 2005 22:20 GMT
>>Good idea, firechief.  People won't admit they don't know what you are
>>talking about.
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>
>     Please remove "Ima" to reply.

I know what you mean. In 1990, I had cryptococcal sinusitis which
actually is a serious fungal disease in the sinuses.  The cryp...itis
sure sounds more serious than a fungus infection to the uninformed.
Of course, most doctors just turn white because it is a very serious
condition and if allowed to get into the brain, at that time, all they
could do was give you morphine and keep you comfortable while you die!
The scariest part of it is that there are usually no symptoms.  They
found mine while removing a cyst from the sinus.  

Loujean
Loujean
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d'huit - 14 Jul 2005 02:31 GMT
> Good idea, firechief.  People won't admit they don't know what you are
> talking about.
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> Throw that FISH out and
> put in an S to email me.

sigh . . . my list is waaaay too long to even remember it, let alone attempt
that.

kate

>> Ari wrote:
>>
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>>
>>... Tombstone for ELMER FUDD --- W.I.P.
Jo Firey - 13 Jul 2005 01:24 GMT
> Ari wrote:
>
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>
> Is it contagious?  Yeah, I have/carry the HLA-27B marker.

Yep.  I got good at saying nondifferentiating spondyloarthropathy.  Which
basically means the doctors hasn't pinned it down yet.  But still sounds
good.

Now its officially RA, but the hand surgeon thinks gouty arthritis.

Jo
m_eL - 13 Jul 2005 02:22 GMT
> Ari wrote:
>
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>
> Is it contagious?  Yeah, I have/carry the HLA-27B marker.

How does this sound?
Multi-level cervical spondylosis with unilateral radiculopathy, foraminal
stenosis, bilateral chondromalacia patellae and adhesive capsulitis.
That should shut 'em, up, huh? :-)

Thanks for all the kind responses in this thread, reminds me i'm not alone
after all.
firechief - 13 Jul 2005 07:58 GMT
> Thanks for all the kind responses in this thread, reminds me
> i'm not alone after all.

You're never alone in A.S.A.

... I'm not perfect, but my cat thinks it is.
Nann Bell - 13 Jul 2005 21:00 GMT
> How does this sound?
> Multi-level cervical spondylosis with unilateral radiculopathy, foraminal
> stenosis, bilateral chondromalacia patellae and adhesive capsulitis.
> That should shut 'em, up, huh? :-)

heehee, sure - tell them that's what you have, heehee  I can just picture
their eyes glazing over.  then you finish it up with "in other words, I hurt
like hell all over".

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Navy1 - 13 Jul 2005 22:23 GMT
>> Ari wrote:
>>
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>Thanks for all the kind responses in this thread, reminds me i'm not alone
>after all.

Yep.  You're never alone.  I think that is one of the most comforting
statement anybody can make.

Loujean
Loujean
Retired and love it.
Throw that FISH out and
put in an S to email me.
Lurker at Large - 12 Jul 2005 20:13 GMT
> I hate that I have a disease too.  I also dislike the comments about oh
> arthritis I know so and so with that have you tried this and have you tried
> that.  The first 100 times I tried to explain the difference between RA and
> other forms of arthritis but after a while you just end up smiling and
> nodding and don't bother trying to explain it anymore.  I particularly cant

[de-lurking for a moment]

    I got the same thing when I was growing up with JRA.  People would
always ask me why I limped (from pain).  Not wanting to launch into a full
medical history, I'd usually just say I had arthritis.  The reply would
invariably be "Isn't that an old-person's disease?"
    ARGH!
    I also didn't care for the comments like "Oh, my gramma has that", or
"Yep, my mom has that".  I guess they're just trying to sound sympathetic, but
when you have chronic pain comments like this are NOT appreciated.

Sharon
Cindy - 12 Jul 2005 13:32 GMT
Yes I understand...I am only 47 and I get tired of people looking at me and
saying...Well you look good...or even worse I think is when people look at
me and say "Man do you look tired!"
Throw in FM, psuedogout on top of OA,anxiety and depression....
Yep go ahead and vent...Like Kim says....We then at least don't feel so
alone even though I wouldn't wish this on anyone...
And you know that excercise to help FM....Well what if it hurts your OA too
much to excercise....I love to swim and I do that, but last night I was up
half the night because I was hurting so bad from swimming yesterday...
So I guess let us just vent together...
Big HUGS
Cindy
> I'm having trouble coping.  I don't like my life this way.  I just need to
> gripe for a minute.
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> of
> everything but am having a low moment i guess.  Thanks for listening.
Harvey R. Stone - 12 Jul 2005 14:34 GMT
Hi M,     Welcome to ASA.   You have come to the right place where people
understand what it means to live with arthritis.    I am male,  diagnosed as
having RA by three Rheumatologists.   It started at age 38 and I am 65 now.
I started taking Disease modifying drugs when I was 45 and my life started
to turn around.
   I do not think you have OA with what is taking place with you.  I am not
a doctor but I think you have one of the inflammatory types of arthritis.
Please see an RD and get started on going back to work and living life your
way.   People making those remarks are just ignorant of what living with
arthritis is all about but in this newsgroup,,,, we know,,,, we have been
there with you and will be with you through it all.   We talk about the best
way to do things.  We talk about the medicines with doctors,,,, operations
,,,, recovery,,,ect.ect.
   Please see a Rheumatologist and get started on a better tomorrow.
Harv
> I'm having trouble coping.  I don't like my life this way.  I just need to
> gripe for a minute.
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> of
> everything but am having a low moment i guess.  Thanks for listening.
debbie m. - 12 Jul 2005 18:13 GMT
Hi,

I think we've all been where you are so we can understand to a degree.
I was 37 when I first got sick.  I know about losing those things you
once enjoyed doing.  What you are feeling now is a normal process.  I'm
sorry you feel bad and I hope that coming here talking about it has
made it a little bit easier for you.

debbie m.

> I'm having trouble coping.  I don't like my life this way.  I just need to
> gripe for a minute.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> everyone.  Sorry this is so negative, i usually try to see the bright side of
> everything but am having a low moment i guess.  Thanks for listening.
Ian - 12 Jul 2005 18:39 GMT
NOBODY@blahhhblah.blah wrote:

> I'm having trouble coping.  I don't like my life this way.  I just need to
> gripe for a minute.

Gripe away, kiddo! I'm prepared to listen.
(I've snipped the rest but I did read it first)
I have only just been diagnosed, and that was by my GP, so
I'll switch things  round a bit:
Now, this is cold comfort, but I, having lost the last
remnants of my sight some years back (accidental damage), have
experienced some of the frustrations  you speak of.
I've also had the old "My father went blind too!" and the "Have you
been blind all your life?"
and the like.
And of course, some people seem    to assume that because your eyes
don't work, then your brain must be equally functionless.
A local bank's investment advisor recently lost me to another outfit
by doing just this,  after only two meetings!
I miss a lot of things too:reading text on the printed page, walking
about freely without depending on a conductor, for example.
I don't think I ever experienced depression or anger; for one thing,
it was caused by two (count 'em, two) separate incidents, both
involving carelessness or stupidity or recklessness on my part, take
your pick!
The left retina detached following a traffic accident in which my
motorcycle was hit by a car coming through on red (I should have
looked right before starting off on green, not left) and some nine
years later, I came out of a pub after a good deal of boozing, crossed
the road in a nonchalant manner with hands in pockets, and
nonchalantly tripped on the  kerb and smashed my face into the
sidewalk ... real clever thing to do, huh?
the concussion, of course, caused the right retina to come apart at
the seams, although several operations over the next four years or
so held things together for a good time so the deterioration was
gradual.
I seem to recall I tried to look on it as a challenge, and found
ways to circumvent the increasing difficulties, electronics mainly
but some I devised for myself.
I also looked for things to keep my mind occupied, so I wouldn't end
up sitting staring blankly at the wall all day.
Why am I burdening you with all this boring stuff, I hear you ask.  Well, maybe
it's a way of saying, like  with the other replies you've had,
'there are others  out there with this and other disabilities,  who do
know how it is  and can empathize with you  
in this, and you are not alone, also, in letting it get you down.'
Being a newbie to the condition, I'll let the others advise in more
detail, and shut up at this point except to hope you find better
treatment as a result  to help you.

--
Ian
(Probably the best-dressed Town Drunk in town)
Skip - 13 Jul 2005 02:03 GMT
Oh sweetie, gripe, rant, kick sand out of the sandbox even!  It's *not* fair
and occassionally it just darn well sucks.  Some days you just have to let
the feelings escape.

It's frustrating to be angry at something you can't really get your hands
on.  I plan on cutting the word "arthritis" out of thick foam - just so I
can punch the living daylights out of it and then say "there, I beat
arthritis".  Won't help my joints but my spirit will feel better, lol!

And get thee to your doctor.  When the symptoms change it's time to review.
It sounds like you've take meds for anxiety/depression for a while -you
already know how pain is a circle that makes all three worse.   Iif you
don't already have one, get a referral to a rheumitologist and get the pain
controlled.  Maybe we can't do the things we'd like to, but we have a right
to be comfortable doing the things we can.

Here is a hug and a shoulder to lean on.  I have chocolate to share.....

Skip

> I'm having trouble coping.  I don't like my life this way.  I just need to
> gripe for a minute.
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> everyone.  Sorry this is so negative, i usually try to see the bright side of
> everything but am having a low moment i guess.  Thanks for listening.
m_eL - 13 Jul 2005 09:01 GMT
>Here is a hug and a shoulder to lean on.  I have chocolate to share.....

I'll take all of those! :-)
(just bought a bag of dark chocolate hershey's kisses, let's party!!!)
There's definitely something about chocolate....
Navy1 - 13 Jul 2005 22:22 GMT
I want some chocolate, too, but shouldn't have it.  Oh heck, do you
have the kind with nuts in it and I'll go get some extra Maalox!
Loujean

>Oh sweetie, gripe, rant, kick sand out of the sandbox even!  It's *not* fair
>and occassionally it just darn well sucks.  Some days you just have to let
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>of
>> everything but am having a low moment i guess.  Thanks for listening.

Loujean
Retired and love it.
Throw that FISH out and
put in an S to email me.
Nann Bell - 13 Jul 2005 21:00 GMT
I've been AWOL of late, but I say - Go for it!  Gripe away!  We hear ya more
truly than most can.  I can say from personal experience that pinched nerves
are among the most miserable of things out there.  Hey, just tell them you
have severe spinal problems - the general public often seems more sympathetic
to "back problems" than to arthritis, maybe because more folks have
experienced major back problems.  And I watched my DH deal with a frozen
shoulder - I cannot imagine the pain and frustration of haing both at once.

I've been pretty fortunate in not having too, too many of the comments
everyone hate.  I've gotten the "you're too young" line a lot (not as much as
I used to, sniff, sniff) and I just chcuckle and say, "I wish!  Mine is due
to a confused immune system and it can happen at any age."  But I digress....

Oh, I've been pretty lucky with the loose comments, but one really got me the
other day.  I mentioned something coming up and the person said something
along the lines of, "oh, so you'll be playing catch-up like the rest of us!"  
Hunh?  I've been playing catch-up for 20 years and have long since had to
accept the fact that I will never be able to "do it all" again.  But the
circumstances were such that I couldn't say that.... sigh......  Since when
does acceptance of your limitations have to translate into "leisure" to
others?  Oh well.  My intent isn't to turn your thread into my own gripe
list, but just to say you have a right to get fed up and we're a good place
to let it all out so you can get up tomorrow and try to get through another
day.

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Becky - 16 Jul 2005 00:01 GMT
WOW, this is like reading something I would write.  I know exactly how you
feel almost that we could be identical!  I to miss the long walks, actually
just about anything.  I have a gym membership but as late I am only using
the sauna there.  I have the osteo in my lower back, and RA in everything
else.  I am only 49.  People see me at the store, and say oh my you look
great, so glad you are doing better. Better, that didn't come from my lips,
just theirs, and I usually just say oh thanks, I use to say don't really
feel well, but they don't want to hear that.  I told my mom I wish  big huge
purple dot was in the middle of my forehead , then people would see
something is wrong.
I wish you well, have any drugs helped you at all>  I am taking MTX, and got
a scrip for enbrel but am holding off for a couple more weeks for that, I
have come down with bursitis of the hips, boy that is not fun, and now it is
sciatica running down the same leg. YIKES
Well didn't mean for this to turn into me whinny, just wanted to let you
know I know EXACTLY how you feel.
Hang in there
Becky
> I'm having trouble coping.  I don't like my life this way.  I just need to
> gripe for a minute.
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> of
> everything but am having a low moment i guess.  Thanks for listening.
m_eL - 16 Jul 2005 04:45 GMT
>WOW, this is like reading something I would write.  I know exactly how you
>feel almost that we could be identical!  I to miss the long walks, actually
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>know I know EXACTLY how you feel.
>Hang in there

Thanks, you too.  It's amazing to me how many people here know how it feels,
especially about the social interaction and stuff.  

I have a daily exercise routine i do at the advice of my physical therapist,
and i try to enjoy it.  It's not like a "real" workout, but more like
some moves that people recovering from stuff would do.  Those rubber
resistance bands, i've found, are VERY friendly and don't force
anything past my comfort level at the time.  Music, vary the order a bit,  and
do it at times when i'm feeling the least pain.  I tried a little gardening
today, like 10 minutes and i'm all tightened up and hurting, (but i smell
like lovely lavender!) time to go soak in the tub and retire to the recliner
in front of the giant tv with my husband.  He didn't even get mad at me when i
fumbled a glass of ice tea with my clumsy hand and it went all over a bunch of
papers - he shouldn't have left them on the kitchen counter anyway!! ;-)  

I guess, all in all, it was not a bad day.
 
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