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doxy may slow OA of the Knee
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Mary Z - 08 Jul 2005 20:40 GMT July 1, 2005 Doxycycline may slow progression of osteoarthritis (OA) of the knee, according to the results of a randomized, double-blind trial published in the July issue of Arthritis and Rheumatism.
"Selection of doxycycline as a potential disease-modifying OA drug was based not on the premise that OA is an infectious disease, but rather on results of in vitro studies showing 1) that doxycycline inhibited the degradation of type XI collagen, one of the minor collagens of articular cartilage, by 72-kd gelatinase; 2) that the presence of doxycycline during activation of procollagenase resulted in generation of low molecular weight, catalytically inactive fragments and marked reduction in the levels of active enzyme; and 3) that doxycycline inhibited messenger RNA for inducible nitric oxide synthase, an enzyme present in large quantities in OA cartilage, the activity of which results in secretion of matrix metalloproteinases (MMPs) by the chondrocyte," write Kenneth D. Brandt, from the Indiana University School of Medicine in Indianapolis, and colleagues.
In this study, 431 obese women age 45 to 64 years with unilateral radiographic knee OA were randomized to receive 30 months of treatment with 100 mg of doxycycline or placebo twice daily. The primary outcome measure was joint space narrowing (JSN) in the medial tibiofemoral compartment, measured manually in fluoroscopically standardized radiographic examinations performed at baseline, 16 months, and 30 months. At six-month intervals, patients reported severity of joint pain.
Of all randomized study subjects, 71% completed the trial and 85% underwent radiographic examination at 30 months. In women who completed the study per protocol, adherence to the dosing regimen was 91.8%.
Compared with the placebo group, mean loss of joint space width in the index knee in the doxycycline group was 40% less after 16 months of treatment (0.15 ± 0.42 mm vs 0.24 ± 0.54 mm) and 33% less after 30 months (0.30 ± 0.60 mm vs 0.45 ± 0.70 mm).
Pain scores in both treatment groups were low at baseline and remained low during the trial, suggesting the presence of a floor effect, because doxycycline was not associated with lower mean severity of joint pain. However, the frequency of follow-up visits during which the subject reported at least a 20% increase in pain in the index knee, compared with the previous visit, was lower in the doxycycline group.
Doxycycline had no apparent effect on either JSN or pain in the contralateral knee. In both treatment groups, study subjects who reported at least a 20% increase in knee pain at most follow-up visits had more rapid JSN than did those with stable pain.
"Doxycycline slowed the rate of JSN in knees with established OA," the authors write. "Its lack of effect on JSN in the contralateral knee suggests that pathogenetic mechanisms in that joint were different from those in the index knee."
Study limitations include relatively small sample size; relatively brief duration of follow-up; highly selected population, limiting generalizability of study results; inability to extrapolate the results to other joint sites; and possibly incomplete blinding.
The National Institutes of Health supported this study in part. Dr. Brandt has received consulting fees of more than $10,000 per year from Pfizer.
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d'huit - 09 Jul 2005 13:37 GMT this sounds hopeful.
ummm . . . what happens if you need one of the abx-cycline drugs for an infection that they are best at handling? or will using it as a dmoa keep the infection at bay, before you need them? if they use an abx as a dmoa, does it pose problems down the road, like drug resistant bateria?
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> July 1, 2005 - Doxycycline may slow progression of osteoarthritis (OA) > of the knee, according to the results of a randomized, double-blind [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com Mary Z - 09 Jul 2005 16:05 GMT >if they use an abx as a dmoa, >does it pose problems down the road, like drug resistant bateria? I have wondered about that but the Abt zealots claim this is not an issue. I think the doxy does something to help protect the cartilage there are many conflicting theories. I was on Doxy for about 5 months it did nothing for me. The ABT enthusiasts claim when you flare it is a herx and that is good because you are about to turn the corner. Problem is how do you tell the herx from the uncontrolled RA? I am skeptical I guess it does work well for some people just like all medications. I will stick with Remicade, it doesn't get any better than remission. -- MZ
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d'huit - 09 Jul 2005 17:54 GMT >>if they use an abx as a dmoa, >>does it pose problems down the road, like drug resistant bateria? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > medications. I will stick with Remicade, it doesn't get any better > than remission. -- MZ what's a herx? and i'm glad you found your magic bullet, mz, cuz i wouldn't want you to hurt.
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> Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com Mary Z - 10 Jul 2005 04:01 GMT >what's a herx? It is herxheimer reaction, it is a worsening of flu like symptoms, aching joints etc. It happens after antibiotic therapy, and one theory states it is an increase in endo-toxins from the bacteria dying off. It was noticed in syphilis patients also in Lyme disease. It is one of those reactions with several theories. It is temporary and the patient improves quickly after the herx. My issue with some of the ABT advocates is that any flare is passed off as a herx. I am especially skeptical when Herx goes on for months and months. -- MZ
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Duckie - 11 Jul 2005 03:54 GMT The third dose of Rituxan caused an awful feeling in my joints two days later. Felt like molten lava poured into them all, but it was gone in a 48 hours. I was guessing at the time that it might have been a herxheimer reaction. Duckie
>>what's a herx? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com
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Harvey R. Stone - 09 Jul 2005 18:10 GMT Well said,,,, I have always felt the way you do but a way stronger antibio has me in a no medicine in my day type of thing. Harv
>>if they use an abx as a dmoa, >>does it pose problems down the road, like drug resistant bateria? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com Adelle - 10 Jul 2005 05:52 GMT >>if they use an abx as a dmoa, >>does it pose problems down the road, like drug resistant bateria? > > I have wondered about that but the Abt zealots claim this is not an > issue. I was on abx therapy until a couple of days ago. Doxycycline, like Tetracycline, has been used for decades to control severe acne (the kind that scars in big lumps.) Not sure about drug resistant bacteria, but since doxy is a first level kind of drug, MY GUESS is that there are drugs one and two levels up which will cover those strains resistant to doxycycline.
>I think the doxy does something to help protect the cartilage > there are many conflicting theories. According to my RD and my uncle, a Ped. RD, Doxy is a fairly effective anti inflammatory, which is why it works for acne (and also some gum diseases). By reducing inflammation in knee joints, it probably reduces the rate of progression for OA. Current tests show it is not a DMARD for RD, though. Not sure why, but maybe it's because it's not just inflammation eating away at joints in RA, but also the body's immune system.
>I was on Doxy for about 5 months > it did nothing for me. The ABT enthusiasts claim when you flare it is > a herx and that is good because you are about to turn the corner. > Problem is how do you tell the herx from the uncontrolled RA? Without blood tests, you can't tell, except Herx reactions are really pretty time limited. They go away in a week or so, though may repeat with dosage changes. With a blood test, a real RA flare will raise your CRP, while in a Herx flare, the CRP doesn't change.
> I am > skeptical I guess it does work well for some people just like all > medications. I will stick with Remicade, it doesn't get any better > than remission. -- MZ I went off the doxy because the rashes from sun exposure were just too demoralizing. I have a young child who needs me to be able to watch him when he's outside. I couldn't even drive to the market and back without my hands breaking out. And that was with 45 SPF sunscreen and light filtered through a windsheild! The rashes didn't start until I added Plaquenil to the mix, but cutting back on the Doxy has stopped them.
So - am now on Plaquenil, plus NSAID (Instead of doxy and NSAID). The hope is too wean off the NSAID, too. But who knows?
Adelle
Mary Z - 14 Jul 2005 02:17 GMT >According to my RD and my uncle, a Ped. RD, Doxy is a fairly effective anti >inflammatory, which is why it works for acne (and also some gum diseases). >By reducing inflammation in knee joints, it probably reduces the rate of >progression for OA. Current tests show it is not a DMARD for RD, though. Not >sure why, but maybe it's because it's not just inflammation eating away at >joints in RA, but also the body's immune system. I may have given the wrong impression I believe antibiotics help some people, but there is a group of zealots that passionately believe it will cure RA and that is all you need. Their answer to antibiotics (abt) not working is that you need stronger Abt or IV abt. Every time some flared with ABT the answer was great it is just the Herx reaction. In the past we had some intense flame wars over this issue, so I am probably over reacting a bit. They rarely post anymore so this has not been an issue. Interesting that you say it is not a DMARD for RD (I assume you meant RA). I always thought it was effective for some people with early RA, but your uncle and RD say no. interesting thanks -- MZ
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Adelle - 14 Jul 2005 05:32 GMT >>According to my RD and my uncle, a Ped. RD, Doxy is a fairly effective >>anti [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > some people with early RA, but your uncle and RD say no. interesting > thanks -- MZ Yes, I meant RA and not RD. Thanks for catching the typo.
There are some who feel the jury is still out on whether RA may be caused by mycoplasma. They are in a similar group with those who say you can harbor lyme disease and that it can show up in atypical ways. They also say stronger abx and iv abx are the way to go if Lyme symptoms don't improve. There just isn't enough known yet to say one way or the other. Remember, they didn't know about h.pylori causing ulcers, instead of stress and diet, for centuries.
I can say without reservation that doxy helped me considerably. When I was first on it (and after the flare) and took it along w/Vioxx, I actually felt normal and was able to go on with my life as if nothing was wrong. When I went off after a few months, all my symptoms returned. That's why I thought, and still think, that some of what was wrong with me was undiagnosed Lyme Disease. The initial symptoms I had (all neurological, not joint issues) went away (until I stopped the Vioxx). But now, Plaquenil is helping more.
According to my uncle (and this was about a year ago) studies were showing doxy relieved inflammation, but not mitigated damage in RA. Now, is that because not enough time has elapsed to make that evaluation, or is damage continuing or does damage occur so slowly that it can't be documented. He didn't say. And I'm not sure whether he got this info from articles, talking with researchers at conferences, or whatever.
Adelle
Duckie - 14 Jul 2005 18:24 GMT Interesting because gold shots did make me feel a great deal better but did nothing to slow my disease. And it was years passing before we knew that with more joint damage. Duckie
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> According to my uncle (and this was about a year ago) studies were showing > doxy relieved inflammation, but not mitigated damage in RA. Now, is that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Adelle
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diclidophora@yahoo.co.uk - 14 Jul 2005 16:39 GMT Mary I may have missed it, but can you give the ref for this bit of news ?
One of the things that constantly puzzles me about antibiotic treatment is it rating on the
http://remedyfind.com/hc-Rheumatoid-Arthritis.asp
web site. Have they all got together or what ?
Peter
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