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Gwen Love - 04 Jun 2005 00:45 GMT My highest one game score was 154--3 games straight were 107,106 & 101. This one has really hooked me! Gwen
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d'huit - 04 Jun 2005 02:56 GMT > My highest one game score was 154--3 games straight were 107,106 & 101. > This one has really hooked me! > Gwen LOL! you're so cute.
kate
Duckie - 04 Jun 2005 18:16 GMT I have never figured out how to make any of those bowling games work. My high on one game [never played again] was 28. lol That was my real score as well when we actually bowled. That was before I knew it shouldn't hurt to hold a bowling ball. And it was before I knew I had RA. Had it just didn't know it. Duckie
> My highest one game score was 154--3 games straight were 107,106 & 101. > This one has really hooked me! > Gwen
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d'huit - 05 Jun 2005 00:31 GMT >I have never figured out how to make any of those bowling games work. My >high on one game [never played again] was 28. lol That was my real score >as well when we actually bowled. That was before I knew it shouldn't hurt >to hold a bowling ball. And it was before I knew I had RA. Had it just >didn't know it. > Duckie ouch! i guess it would hurt! i wish you had had somebody coaching you who knew how to help you.
in my senior year of high school, i had a boyfriend (fiance who i didn't marry, obviously<smile>) who never bowled under a 180 game. he originally taught me to bowl. we both loved it so much that the night of our senior prom the four of us (two couples) went bowling in our gowns and tuxedoes. my own average back then was around 170+ with a personal high game of 297.
when i married butch, i didn't know that he loved bowling too. i probably didn't ask cuz i hadn't bowled since my wreck and was held together by metal and knew there were more surgeries ahead of me.
when alex was 5, i suggested we put alex into pee wee league. turned out the stinker loved it too (and then butch joined a men's league). rocky, the owner of the lanes, watched me coach alex each week (unbeknownst to me) and after awhile asked if i wanted to coach the rest of the kids to bowl.
i told rocky i'd love to be able to, but couldn't bowl anymore because of my injuries and stuff. i knew he could see i had a bad limp. he said he could tell by what i was having alex do that i used to bowl and had been probably a decent bowler. but he floored me when he said he didn't believe i couldn't bowl anymore. one day, rocky took me aside after kids' leagues and fitted me with a ten pound ball off the rack. told me to go for it, to see if he could help me make adjustments to accommodate my body damage. it took several games of mostly gutter balls, my backup ball was then fierce--a severe backwards hook, before rocky found the right spot for me to stand, retaught me a new 3 step approach (instead of my old 5) the right spot for me to throw over and the right position for my hand and elbow, so i wouldn't hurt myself and worked on my timing. then, my first real game after that was just over a 100. that was all i needed to start getting me consistant. i was getting better consistantly at around 120 when rocky decided that what was holding me back was that i was using balls that were too light and not drilled for my needs.
next thing i knew, rocky fitted me with an old 15 pound alley ball (which i thought i'd kill myself with.LOL). he filled the finger holes, drilled it for my righthandedness, but drilled it so that it was weighted for a lefthanded bowler, to compensate for my bad reverse hook. that ball got my average to 140--the national average for women---(mainly because he let me practice all i wanted to for 25 cents a line, when leagues weren't bowling. i'd bowl anywhere from 12 to 20 games in a row, almost everyday, from the first time he worked with me until i got my average up.) then rocky asked me again if i wanted to coach. said i'd love to give it a shot, because i then felt i could "show and not just tell" kids what to do. (by then butch's schedule was such that he was free on weekends and butch wanted to coach kids.)
so, then rocky sent us both to YABBA university on weekends.LOL yep, bowling school for coaches.<smile> we both learned stuff we already knew about the game, but better than that, we learned how to coach kids with all kinds of disabilities. who knew there were bolsters for the gutters for blind people? who knew people in wheelchairs could bowl? and people on crutches? and we also learned to teach downs kids, add kids, kids with all kinds of disabilities. learned about all kinds of hand and arm braces (ankle and knee braces too) and bowling gloves to help kids bowl. how to tell if a kid's ball was too light or too heavy. how to spot back problems in kids and help them adjust for that. how to spot weak joints and what to do to compensate. how to tell if the fit of the ball was wrong for a kids hand and lots of other stuff. we even learned how to teach kids to sit down on the lanes and just push the ball properly over the right spot to hit pins.
with my average finally at national women's levels, i bought a new ball, had rocky fit and drill it for me and i joined a woman's league and coached kids for over ten years. it was fun knowing your disabilities didn't have to stop you from bowling. when i hit my first 200 game (after my wreck and because of rocky's help and encouragement), rocky had a special trophy made for me. not a league trophy, even though i bowled it on league. it was waay sweet. "secoma lanes' favorite most improved bowler '88" and he and his wife gave it to me in private. i still boohoo when i think about it. there were other trophies for league bowling---getting those kinds of things in public always embarrassed me. i didn't keep them. actually, i recycled them for the kids, by having new brass plates engraved for them. but i kept that one even though it somehow got broken.
kate
>> My highest one game score was 154--3 games straight were 107,106 & 101. >> This one has really hooked me! >> Gwen Carole - 05 Jun 2005 02:23 GMT I'd LOVE to go bowling again! I always loved it and when I lived in NYC I used to go all the time with friends. We'd bowl on a Sunday afternoon and then go to Sizzler (which was next door) for dinner :)
When I was moving out here to Washington, there was only so much room in my car. One of my friends and I started joking about the bowling ball. I said there is no way I'm going to ship it (too expensive and I had already shipped 30 boxes to my friend's house). And there was only so much room in the car, and the trunk had to house my computer, printer, scanner, breakables that I wouldn't dare ship, my sewing machine, keyboard, etc. Plus I had to have room for the things I'd need along the cross country tip and my clothes. So I put the bowling ball with the garbage. Then I felt bad so I went and got it back.
The night that I finally got the car all packed, there was no room for the bowling ball and a few other things. So I figured it had to go and once again set it near the garbage. Well, then my best friend called me and asked me how I was doing and I told her there was no way I was getting everything in. She said "I'll be over in ten minutes". She came, and rearranged everything in the trunk and back seat and lo and behold there was room for the bowling ball! So she went and got it, fitted it into a space that was there, and said "Voila!" We both laughed so hard that we were in tears!
The next day I was on the road and called my other friend who I'd been making the jokes with about the ball. She said "So where is the bowling ball? Rolling down the street where you used to live?" I said "Nope, it's with me right behind the driver's seat!" To this day we laugh about my bowling ball. It's now in the closet and I'm hoping that one day I can find someone to bowl with. I have a bowling alley right near me and games are only .99 during the day. PERFECT for me. Just don't know if I can do it with the energy level problem, but if I took long breaks between throws I might just manage it :)
Carole :)
d'huit - 05 Jun 2005 04:10 GMT > I'd LOVE to go bowling again! I always loved it and when I lived in NYC I > used to go all the time with friends. We'd bowl on a Sunday afternoon and [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Carole :) yep. you sure loved bowling, to go through all that just to keep your ball
:-) w0w, 99 cents a line is a good deal these days! maybe you can still bowl, kiddo.
how heavy is your ball, carole? if it's 10 pounds or more, set it aside for awhile. peewee league bowling balls were 6 and 8 pounds and are often used by women. if you don't know how to hand-size the grip (knuckles dead center of the holes) of an alley ball, ask somebody at the desk to help you.
seriously, you'll need to start with the lightest weight possible/available to build yourself up, because you will be using other muscles that you are not accustomed to using while bowling. (in regular bowling, we use "back neutral position".)
i was thinking that if you don't have any weight lifting restrictions (check with your cardiologist about that and about modified bowling, as i will be explaining it) and if your ball is light enough, you could learn to bowl by standing in one spot on the approach. or better still, you can bowl while seated in a regular chair on the approach, which is where i'd probably start you to conserve leg energy and breath. the chair has to be one with feet that won't damage the approach, approved and/or provided by the house. learning how to bowl from a seated position can be tricky, because the tendancy is to lean with the ball. you start with the lightest weight ball so that if you don't break that habit of leaning right away, you won't hurt your back. with a chair, you pendulum swing twice, without a high back-arc, and release the ball on the second swing. your release point will be at your side, before it gets to your knee and not out in front of you, but your hand still has to follow through after the release. it takes practice, but it definitely can be done. as you become stronger, you can extend your release point, but not to the point where you loft the ball. if you loft, bring your release point back.
we had to actually do all that kind of bowling during our yabba training, even bowl with our eyes closed so we could know what bowling for a blind person felt like. your local lanes' owner needs to know what your needs are to be able to acommodate them. hopefully, your local bowling establishment has a caring owner like rocky. many places do and that's very helpful. i hope your doctor lets you try it, carole.
kate
d'huit - 05 Jun 2005 07:00 GMT LOL! holy mangled syntax, batman!LOL you don't swing the chair!LOL (but i sure made it sound like you do!)
corrections--- while seated, you swing the ball, along the side of the chair, in a pendulum fashion, twice. do not attempt a high arc with the ball during your backswing.
and, with your thumb in the thumb hole in the ball, spread your middle and ring fingers over the other two holes. the knuckles of those two fingers should be dead center over their respective holes. ---all of that you probably already knew.
"neutral spine position" is generally the correct form for normal bowling technique. modified bowling form, while seated, is "upright spine position", without leaning to one side or the other.
when using the seated modified technique--the habit, of leaning towards the ball while holding or swinging the ball along the side of the chair, is one that is formed quickly and needs to be stopped/corrected right away.
geesh, somebody shoot me before i learn a second language and mangle that one, too! LOL
kate
>> I'd LOVE to go bowling again! I always loved it and when I lived in NYC I >> used to go all the time with friends. We'd bowl on a Sunday afternoon and [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > kate Carole - 05 Jun 2005 21:14 GMT Well, we both must be bananas because I knew what you were talking about
:))) LOL!!!!!!! Carole
> LOL! holy mangled syntax, batman!LOL you don't swing the chair!LOL (but i > sure made it sound like you do!) [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > kate Carole - 05 Jun 2005 20:56 GMT > yep. you sure loved bowling, to go through all that just to keep your ball > :-) w0w, 99 cents a line is a good deal these days! maybe you can still > bowl, kiddo. Yea, I do love it. So much so, that when I had to take physical education in college I took bowling and archery (it was a half semester of each). I would have liked a whole semester of bowling, but they didn't offer it that way. I also had an uncle who was a professional bowler and he taught me correct posture, etc.
> how heavy is your ball, carole? if it's 10 pounds or more, set it aside for > awhile. To be honest, I don't know :( I don't think it says on the ball but next time I venture into that closet, I'll take a look. I'd love to be able to bowl again. I don't see the cardiologist until mid July but I will ask him about it. Even if I had to sit and do it, it's better than giving it up. And maybe there is a handicapped league out here that I could join. I could make some new friends :)
Thanks, Kate!
Hugs, Carole :)
Carole - 05 Jun 2005 21:14 GMT > yep. you sure loved bowling, to go through all that just to keep your ball
> :-) w0w, 99 cents a line is a good deal these days! maybe you can still
> bowl, kiddo. Yea, I do love it. So much so, that when I had to take physical education in college I took bowling and archery (it was a half semester of each). I would have liked a whole semester of bowling, but they didn't offer it that way. I also had an uncle who was a professional bowler and he taught me correct posture, etc.
> how heavy is your ball, carole? if it's 10 pounds or more, set it aside for
> awhile. To be honest, I don't know :( I don't think it says on the ball but next time I venture into that closet, I'll take a look. I'd love to be able to bowl again. I don't see the cardiologist until mid July but I will ask him about it. Even if I had to sit and do it, it's better than giving it up. And maybe there is a handicapped league out here that I could join. I could make some new friends :)
Thanks, Kate!
Hugs, Carole :)
d'huit - 05 Jun 2005 01:27 GMT ok. here's a tip or two for this bowling game. the color of the boards, the dots themselves and the arrows are all guides for you. start with a black ball from the top rack, just cuz you don't have to concern yourself with weight.
for strikes (and/or center pin spares) position the ball just to the left of the center dot, just touching the brown boards. make use of the dots to aim the ball. your goal is to get the ball to glide right over the arrow next to and just to the left of the center arrow.
if your ball goes left of where you want it to go and barely misses your target arrow, move your ball (which in real life would be your feet) to the left just one board at a time with the edge of your ball, until you find the correct board for you. keep the same target arrow, same target dot or board that you are using to spot-aim the ball for the arrow.
if your ball misses your target arrow to the right, move your ball to the right, one board at a time with the edge of your ball, until you find the correct board. don't change your target spot.
most of your spares can be made with this same method, if the remaining pins are in the middle of the alley.
outside pin-spares are made by moving the ball across the lane. ie . . . if the remaining pin is on the right side of the lane, your ball should be on the left side of the lane to begin with. and you aim the ball to go over the arrow next to the outside arrow. if the remaining pin is on the left side of the alley, move the ball to the far right. remember to make your adjustments one board at a time and keep your aiming spot constant.
another tip, different balls on the rack have different weights and speeds and slightly different movements. i can tell by the sounds as they hit the pins. red and blue balls are lighter and slower. truthfully, speed isn't the best factor, accuracy is. moving the ball one board at a time will give you control and a sense of the logic in the game, if you keep your spots consistant for each type of goal.
kate
> My highest one game score was 154--3 games straight were 107,106 & 101. > This one has really hooked me! > Gwen
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