Ari, we were standing on the edge of the dance floor
and I got all I could before we both were asked to
dance. I do have my priorites. lol But she did say it
was normal cell waste and mentioned carbon dioxide as
one example. I found this
http://bioserv.fiu.edu/~walterm/human_online/urinary/urinary_lecture.htm
Didn't know that about the kidneys. They regulate first
and excrete second. Interesting.
Duckie

This would indicate a metabolism error if that concetration of lactic
acid is just hanging around. You also get that after a good workout, and
it's reprocessed to run through the metabolic pathway again and provide
more energy.

If someones muscles have that much lactic acid AT REST, then they have a
serious metabolism error and should seek medical advice. Also, a good
workout produces far more lactic acid than a massage, and it doesn't
result in overall body aches...and here's where hydration comes in:

Most people are chronically dehydrated, and that exacerbates underlying
health problems. sometimes it exacerbates them a lot. It's no wonder
people feel better after a couple days of proper hydration! Most people
who exercise vigourously on a regular basis also keep themselves well
hydrated.

There are no toxins being released. Lactic acid is a normal metabolic
product of anaerobic metabolism, and is itself reprocessed to provide
even more cellular energy when the short term anaerobic stress is
removed. I hear about these mythical catch all 'toxins', and it just
isn't so.

Massage is good, and relaxing, and that will help reduce muscle and
nervous tension which creates chronic stress on the body. There's no
need to try and medicalise the terminology by making up things about
'toxins'.

I'm not having a go at you. I appreciate you conveying what you've
heard, as all I've ever heard were references to 'toxins' and noone has
ever been game enough to try and answer (even strangers, who don't know
me well enough to know I would know better). I just prefer truth and
evidence to marketting hype and practitioners trying to get themselves
to be seen as medical practitioners when they are alternative therapy
providers, and there's a huge difference in the level of qualifications
between the two. I feel that as consumers of these services (massage
really helps free my breathing and reduce the pain from my vertebral
injuries) we deserve to be treated with respect, and for practitioners
to try and use terms associated with medical treatments in order to pull
the wool over our eyes as to the real effectiveness of their services
shows an unacceptable degree of disrespect to us all.

heh ... if they didn't we'd be in big trouble!

of course not

For what, normal cellular metabolism?

myofilaments. They like to use big words to try and bamboozle us to
believing their mumbo jumbo pseudo-science babble. They're trying to
make it sound like they're medical practitioners, and they haven't a
clue what that really means. I really don't understand why they're not
satisfied with being providers of useful complementary therapies! I find
their need to try and manipulate us highly demeaning and disrespectful.
They don't need to behave like snake oil salesmen, but they're
indoctrinated to do so.

Not that much more.

well, pressing on a trigger point is often a painful...but very
useful...procedure. There's no need to try and manipulate us using high
school science terms to try and pretend like there's anything more to it
than that. There're no mythical toxins. There are, however, factors such
as tension, pain, and fatigue that set in through chronic low level
contractions that massage does wonders to assist in relieving! It's a
very useful assistive therapy, but there's no need to try and use big
words to convince us that it is more than it really is. It's not
practicing medicine, it's a massage, and it helps our pain.

All muscles are encapsulated in a fibrous sheath. Obviously, to press on
a muscle belly, you also have to press on this sheath (and the skin, and
the subcutaneous tissue, etc.

These wastes that she declined to name do not build up to form toxic
deposits.

In my other recent post I mentioned that most people are quite under
hydrated. Drinking plenty of water and relieving that situation is going
to make you feel better...until you revert to habitual drinking
patterns. There's nothing more scientific to it than that.

Toxins that she declined to name, as I knew she would. She provides a
great adjunctive therapy, I really don't understand why she, and others,
feel the need to try and convince others that they know more than they
do, or that the therapy does things that it doesn't. More people would
use alternative and adjunctive treatments if they would stop doing this!