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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / May 2005Help for arthritic hands
In my Mothers Day gift bag from my daughter and SIL was a Ring Pull Can Opener put out by Jokari that will open the pull top soup cans and other pull top cans. My DIL recently gave me a Pampered Chef drink bottle and can opener, so I am now set to open these things without hurting my hands. If you're interested, go to www.Jokari.com and look under bath and kitchen items. Gwen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Bumper sticker of the year: "If you can read this, thank a teacher -and, since it's in English, thank a soldier !!" i think that is so sweet! it's so endearing and special to me, when others think about my health or physical needs while picking out a gift. that's cool that you had three do that for you. lovely and very loving. there are some cool assists on that link. thanks, gwen. kate > In my Mothers Day gift bag from my daughter and SIL was a Ring Pull Can > Opener put out by Jokari that will open the pull top soup cans and other [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > a > soldier !!" What a cool place! I'm having problems opening jars and soda bottles, so when I can, I'll be ordering those things. Pickle jars are the worst. And last time I went shopping, I bought a jar of minced garlic and asked the young man at the register if he would loosen the lid for me. He did :) He was a nice guy :) I also can't get zip lock baggies open anymore, I have to get the ones with the slider closings instead of the ones that push together and pull apart. Just can't get those apart anymore. Carole > In my Mothers Day gift bag from my daughter and SIL was a Ring Pull Can > Opener put out by Jokari that will open the pull top soup cans and other [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "If you can read this, thank a teacher -and, since it's in English, thank a > soldier !!" carole, a few years ago, i taught myself a trick on how to open tough to open jars, because i connected with the sound of breaking the seal of a canning jar's lid. musta had one of my weird leaps of logic.LOL this will work well with your pickle jars. i now gently use the pointed end of a church key, going under and around the lid until i hear the lid's seal breaking with a pop. (i say "gently" because i don't want to distort the threaded lid and not have it re-seal properly when i put the lid back on.) once the seal is broken, the lid is totally easy to twist off. for bottles with a twist off cap, i use my kid.LOL or, a "safety jar" (printed on it as a brand name) lid opener, that i bought a hundred years ago and have no idea where i got it. kate > What a cool place! I'm having problems opening jars and soda bottles, so > when I can, I'll be ordering those things. Pickle jars are the worst. And [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> a >> soldier !!" . for bottles with a twist off cap, i use my > kid.LOL or, a "safety jar" (printed on it as a brand name) lid opener, > that i bought a hundred years ago and have no idea where i got it. I can sure relate to that. By the time I find someone to find the jar opener for me I can just get them to open the jar. Even the church key is getting put away other than in its dedicated place. I used to hate asking strangers for help opening drink bottles, etc. But everyone has always been very nice about it, and for the most part seems very happy to be able to help someone. Then again asking a stranger to open a water bottle is easy after to have to start asking them for help to stand up if you choose to sit on something like a low bench. Jo > Then again asking a stranger to open a water bottle is easy after to have to > start asking them for help to stand up if you choose to sit on something > like a low bench. heehee, when I was getting massages last year, my massage therapist gave you a bottle of water to make sure you drank afterwards to clean out the released debris. She got to the point that wouldn't even wait for me to hand it back to her - if I didn't have it open quickly, she'd reach out for it. I miss her, especially on mornings when my back aches, such as now.  SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare >>Then again asking a stranger to open a water bottle is easy after to have to >>start asking them for help to stand up if you choose to sit on something [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to her - if I didn't have it open quickly, she'd reach out for it. I miss > her, especially on mornings when my back aches, such as now. I'm with you on that one, Nann. I had the most wonderful massage therapist when I lived in NY. She also had the water ready at the end of the massage :-) If I win the lottery, I'd fly back to NY just for one of her massages :)) Carole Thanks, Kate. I always remember my Mom tapping the sides of jars with something and I guess she was also breaking the seal. I'm always afraid I'll crack the jar doing that, LOL. But I will try your suggestion! (Or get me a cute studmuffin to open jars ;-) > carole, a few years ago, i taught myself a trick on how to open tough to > open jars, because i connected with the sound of breaking the seal of a [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >>>a >>>soldier !!" > i now gently use the pointed end of a church key, going under and around the > lid until i hear the lid's seal breaking with a pop. (i say "gently" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > kid.LOL or, a "safety jar" (printed on it as a brand name) lid opener, that > i bought a hundred years ago and have no idea where i got it. I've done the trick with a church key opener in the past. It works on the same principle as the "Jar-Pop". Now I have the latter which is easier, but it only works for shallow lids. I use the church key solution, or Gripper shelf liner pieces, or the "hey, Mike!" solution on deeper lids. Oh and the running under warm water for sticky lids - and then wiping oil around the rim to help until it wears off (this is for honey, maple syrup and molasses in my kitchen). SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare Another hint: Go to Sears (or other) hardware department and get a strap wrench (a plastic handle with a rubber strap which wraps around an object you want to turn). They are used by mechanics for removing/installing oil filters and by plumbers when they don't want to scratch the chrome coating on pipe. You can use two, one to hold the bottle and one to hold (and turn) the lid. On May 10, Gwen Love posted: > In my Mothers Day gift bag from my daughter and SIL was a Ring Pull Can > Opener put out by Jokari that will open the pull top soup cans and other [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > items. > Gwen As these ring-pullers have been available for a long time, surely promoting one particular company's version is spam? > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Bumper sticker of the year: > "If you can read this, thank a teacher -and, since it's in English, thank a > soldier !!" Y esta pequeña gema es ofensiva y provocativa. Usted puede desear comprobar adonde usted consiguió la actitud que le dijo que no fuera. (il y a plus de pays que vous pouvez compter dans le monde!) Und nicht alle denken die Weise, die Sie, alles klar? ...se date una merda circa queste cose naturalmente. :\ -- --------------------------- Another squeaking wheel @ http//tinyurl.com/6bf56 Mike's Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) --------------------------- No - she was just telling us which one she uses. I can assure you, Gwen has no financial interests in that site. And she actually mentioned two brands...one from Jokari and one from Pampered Chef. I have the Pampered Chef one and a cheaper one that I can't even remember where I bought it. DeeTee ________________________________ DeeTee and Bob Taggart http://www.marykay.com/dtaggart3 http://mysite.verizon.net/vze8fwov/ ________________________________ On May 10, Gwen Love posted: > In my Mothers Day gift bag from my daughter and SIL was a Ring Pull Can > Opener put out by Jokari that will open the pull top soup cans and other [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > items. > Gwen As these ring-pullers have been available for a long time, surely promoting one particular company's version is spam? > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Bumper sticker of the year: > "If you can read this, thank a teacher -and, since it's in English, thank > a > soldier !!" Y esta pequeña gema es ofensiva y provocativa. Usted puede desear comprobar adonde usted consiguió la actitud que le dijo que no fuera. (il y a plus de pays que vous pouvez compter dans le monde!) Und nicht alle denken die Weise, die Sie, alles klar? ...se date una merda circa queste cose naturalmente. :\ -- --------------------------- Another squeaking wheel @ http//tinyurl.com/6bf56 Mike's Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) --------------------------- On May 10, Gwen Love posted: > In my Mothers Day gift bag from my daughter and SIL was a Ring Pull Can > Opener put out by Jokari that will open the pull top soup cans and other [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > items. > Gwen As these ring-pullers have been available for a long time, surely promoting one particular company's version is spam? it's no more spam than mentioning the particular brand of joint replacement we have had implanted, or a particular rd we have, or . . .etc., that helps us and that we are sharing with the rest of our friends. and since gwen has been a beloved asa member for years and years, it's not like gwen popped in out of nowhere, when nobody knew her here, just to make a profit by selling something to us. there's a huge difference between "sharing" among friends and spamming a newsgroup of people you don't know and have no intention of getting to know. kate > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Bumper sticker of the year: > "If you can read this, thank a teacher -and, since it's in English, thank > a > soldier !!" Y esta pequeña gema es ofensiva y provocativa. Usted puede desear comprobar adonde usted consiguió la actitud que le dijo que no fuera. (il y a plus de pays que vous pouvez compter dans le monde!) Und nicht alle denken die Weise, die Sie, alles klar? ...se date una merda circa queste cose naturalmente. :\ -- --------------------------- Another squeaking wheel @ http//tinyurl.com/6bf56 Mike's Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) --------------------------- On May 11, d'huit posted: > On May 10, Gwen Love posted: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > kate Yup, I understand that. What I was asking about was, based on pretty standard usenet practices, if, once a post like that gets uploaded, it can be seen as spam by people who you've just identified, and as such actually BECOMES spam just because it is SEEN as spam by those who, as you say, do not "know and love" the poster. In other words, as this is a PUBLIC and INTERNATIONAL newsgroup, maybe a tad more attention to what something turns into once uploaded could ba a good idea? EXAMPLE: Friend visits other friend, "Hey! I just got a PRODUCT and its great!" So far so good. Friend contacts other friend on a public open forum, and makes a permanent record of "Hey! I just got a PRODUCT and its great!" Can ya see the difference here? :\ P.S. You might want to take a look at your newsgroup program's settings as it's dumping quote marks. Your reply looked as if you'd written the bit you quoted. Signature--------------------------- Another squeaking wheel @ http//tinyurl.com/6bf56 Mike's Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) --------------------------- > On May 11, d'huit posted: > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Can ya see the difference here? :\ tell me, would you go to people who are not your friends (on just any random newsgroup) and share about what you were given by your daughter, your daughter-in-law and your sister-in-law for mother's day gifts? (let's make that father's day gifts.) no, you'd share that information with friends. and you'd do that, especially, if you knew the gifts you received might be things that your friends might not know about and that these might be things they'd want to get for themselves to help themselves. if you carefully read what gwen wrote, you'd know she was speaking of more than one product and more than one brand. more than once, almost all of us on asa, individually, has shared what we've recently bought or acquired that has helped us deal with our arthritis. frequently, we add a disclaimer when it is a single product. the big difference is, mike, that we don't share to make money from the other members on this group. spammers are trying to get into our wallets to specifically benefit themselves. that's really is the core difference, mike. kate > P.S. You might want to take a look at your newsgroup > program's settings as it's dumping quote marks. Your reply > looked as if you'd written the bit you quoted. No, and you're making a mountain out of a mole hill! Gwen > On May 11, d'huit posted: > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > program's settings as it's dumping quote marks. Your reply > looked as if you'd written the bit you quoted. <SNIPPED> :) > Yup, I understand that. What I was asking about was, based on > pretty standard usenet practices, if, once a post like that [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Can ya see the difference here? :\ </tong in cheek mode on> OH!!! I get it, It's like when you post telling people to switch to *nix & post a link. That is spam, Right? <\tong in cheek mode off> It has always been generally accepted that, a post was considered spam only if the poster may profit from the post. GramPaHugs, Alex, -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. No endorsement is implied or intended. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * <a href="http://home.mn.rr.com/apbiii">AOL Click</a> * <a href="http://grampahugs.ath.cx/">AOL Click</a> **************************************************** On May 12, Alex posted: > > EXAMPLE: > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > <\tong in cheek mode off> {SMARTARSEMODE=1} As Linux/BSD/etc. are free, they're not spammable products. (See me after class!) ;\ {SMARTARSEMODE=0} > It has always been generally accepted that, a post was considered > spam only if the poster may profit from the post. Yup, got that several posts ago, and it wasn't my point. Lets see if I can hack this out a bit simpler... I have no problem with talking about various products. I have no problem with someone thinking that a certain product is absolutely fab (as in Linux ;) I have no problem with someone posting that they think a certain product is absolutely fab. I HAD A *QUESTION* about how to PRESENT this kind of post in a manner that didn't LOOK like spam. BECAUSE... IF a post LOOKS like spam, then a spammer sees that this kind of post is acceptable, and makes the assumption that this kind of post is welcome ALL THE TIME. THEN... When you jump on said spammer, you appear to be cliquey netkops attempting to maintain elite groupings and reserved priviledges withing the group structure. SO... Maybe my question would have been better phrased along the lines of "What kind of format should a non-spam product endorsment take?" Hmmm... That doesn't sound any better does it. :\ Signature--------------------------- Another squeaking wheel @ http//tinyurl.com/6bf56 Mike's Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) --------------------------- Hi Mike from the UK,,,, As long as people are being truthful with each and share their life's experience without making money from the discussion,,,, most people will be OK with it. If someone wants to give smart a.s answers that say ,,,, see how smart I am,,,, most people will not take the persons advice or try something that may fix their problem just because of the way it was presented. An old Texas saying is that you can leeeed a horse to water but you can not make them drink. A person can be right and wrong at the same time. Harv > On May 12, Alex posted: > [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Hmmm... That doesn't sound any better does it. :\ On May 13, Harvey R. Stone posted: > > I HAD A *QUESTION* about how to PRESENT this kind of post in > > a manner that didn't LOOK like spam. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > Hmmm... That doesn't sound any better does it. :\ > Hi Mike from the UK,,,, > As long as people are being truthful with each and share their life's [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > time. > Harv Hi Harv from somewhere else, possibly between Canada and Mexico ;) Yup, got that (I think? ;). However... My question was about where the "line" is where a post effectively becomes spam simply because it looks like spam. I wasn't saying that a post that looks like spam IS spam just because it LOOKS like spam, but that if a post LOOKS like spam, then it can be SEEN as spam, and will therefore inevitably be REGARDED as spam by those not in the "we love and trust the poster" group of people. My point was that if this kind of practice is indulged in, where someone posts to an international open forum such as a.s.a., and, as demonstrated in this particular case, relies on knowledge that the poster is much loved and respected, then life gets pretty confusing for those not "in the know". Therefore... My suggestion was that people should be aware, and post accordingly. Thats all. Signature--------------------------- Another squeaking wheel @ http//tinyurl.com/6bf56 Mike's Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) --------------------------- > On May 13, Harvey R. Stone posted: > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > My suggestion was that people should be aware, and post > accordingly. Thats all. mike, guy, try not to become too anal about this. it really is very easy for most of us on asa to spot who is a spammer and who isn't based upon "their intentions to sell us on something", a product, idea, point of view . . . etc. that inevitably will lead to one's wallet or committment. you are trying too hard to put spammers in a catagorically well defined box, when spammers can be very creative, as well as adaptive which makes that box illusive as well as an illusion. it's just like being able to spot junk snail mail and junk phone calls---after awhile, people on the receiving end develop a sense of when they are being "sold to". that developed sense is not that difficult to acquire. cross-posting is one indication of spamming. reiteration of their "product", "its miraculous curing/healing properties" and their "come and see my web site" for proof by personal anecdotal evidence are other indications. their lack of participation in this group itself , in supportive ways, is another indication. and there are a bunch more tell-tale signs to notice, if one has the willingness to notice and become aware of the signs. if lurkers cannot tell the difference, then it is because they haven't lurked enough to recognize the differences of who are the regulars on asa. some of us on asa will tip off newbies and lurkers about just who is a spammer or troll. and we know by experience who those spammers really are. kate On May 14, d'huit posted: > > My point was that if this kind of practice is indulged in, > > where someone posts to an international open forum such as [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > "their intentions to sell us on something", a product, idea, point of view . > . . etc. that inevitably will lead to one's wallet or committment. I had noticed. ;) > you are trying too hard to put spammers in a catagorically well defined box, Oh, is THAT what I'm doing? I'm glad thats cleared up then. ;\ > when spammers can be very creative, as well as adaptive which makes that box > illusive as well as an illusion. it's just like being able to spot junk [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > some of us on asa will tip off newbies and lurkers about just who is a > spammer or troll. and we know by experience who those spammers really are. Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. T'weren't my point though. Ah well. So much for the common language then. ;\ Signature--------------------------- Another squeaking wheel @ http//tinyurl.com/6bf56 Mike's Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) --------------------------- > My suggestion was that people should be aware, and post > accordingly. Thats all. > --------------------------- > > Mike's Brain @ > http://tinyurl.com/4872c Well said,,,,,, The other thing is that a person needs to get to know the people posting. Many times it takes this other information to understand why someone posts commercial sites for good places to buy helping items for someone that has what we have. Believe me when I say that a few years ago even a regular poster would be reported to their server when a person would get too commercial with their posting. Yes,,, yes, I know that takes some of the ability to defend oneself when spammers whine about someone else's post when they were reported and others not. After years of this, they all leave and you have good people that know how to support others is left to be the back bone of the newsgroup. I for one would like to see you post some support for people that have problems with arthritis not just their computer systems. Believe me when I say that nearly all of us need help with our systems at one time or another and your help could be a life saver. be well Harv On May 14, Harvey R. Stone posted: > > My suggestion was that people should be aware, and post > > accordingly. Thats all. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > be well > Harv All NGs have periods where even forgetting a full stop (period) can have crews beating out those complaints. T'aint nuthin' new. Except I wasn't complaining so much as commenting and looking for a few responses on the topic. While I got some, so far only one reply has even mentioned the point I made to start with, so maybe the thread was dead before it got started? :( On the last two points... As far as arthritis is concerned, I have this to say... (variations on time of day and/or intensity of condition) "Owch!" "Damn!" "F*** it!" and "Groan" ...which is not the most helpful input is it? :( (Get me on my pet subject of wheelchairs though... :) ...and as far as pootas are concerned, I'm really not the guy to ask about Windows related problems as my standard advice is always the same. Nuke it and get something that works properly. Wanna talk hardware? I'm still running my old P90 on a dial-up connection. :) Oops! I'd better mention my P450 too, or I may end up spamming myself! 8) Signature--------------------------- Another squeaking wheel @ http//tinyurl.com/6bf56 Mike's Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) --------------------------- It probably is my pain talking but go climb under some rock and stay there. Duckie www.Jokari.com and look under bath and kitchen >>>items. >>>Gwen www.Jokari.com and look under bath and kitchen >>>items. >>>Gwenwww.Jokari.com and look under bath and kitchen >>>items. >>>Gwen www.Jokari.com and look under bath and kitchen >>>items. >>>Gwen www.Jokari.com and look under bath and kitchen >>>items. >>>Gwen www.Jokari.com and look under bath and kitchen >>>items. >>>Gwen [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > program's settings as it's dumping quote marks. Your reply > looked as if you'd written the bit you quoted. Signature_('> (_<_) _ _('< -quack (_<_) _ __('< *QUACK!* <_{__) _('< "|,,|_" (_<_) _('< "AFLAC!" (_<_) Wouldn't that be the same as mentioning Linx all the time. that could be considered spam too now couldn't it. So do you work for Linx. ;-) SignatureLove and hugs to all Good thoughts coming your way too. Squirrely Jo >> Yup, I understand that. What I was asking about was, based >> on pretty standard usenet practices, if, once a post like [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> program's settings as it's dumping quote marks. Your reply >> looked as if you'd written the bit you quoted. On May 13, Squirrely posted: > Wouldn't that be the same as mentioning Linx all the time. that could be > considered spam too now couldn't it. So do you work for Linx. ;-) See the... OT: Re: Help for arthritic Linux spammers ;) ...thread. P.S. Your newsreader puts quoted text after a double-dash. This will cause that text to be cut automatically on the next reply in newsreaders that perform this standard function, as anything below a double-dash is regarded as sig-line stuff, and is cut by default in many newsreaders. If you don't want to impose that on people, leaving it to them to decide for themselves what to cut and what to include in their replies, you might want to fix your newsreader so it doesn't do that thing. Signature--------------------------- Another squeaking wheel @ http//tinyurl.com/6bf56 Mike's Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) --------------------------- Duckie. You've missed the point, the original question, and the opportunity to discuss something rationally. You could be right about the pain thing. :( AND... As a result of your newsreader being disfunctional, (assuming a lack of intentional post mangling) your post here claims that I said things I didn't. You might want to fix that when your pain subsides. On May 12, Duckie posted: > It probably is my pain talking but go climb under some > rock and stay there. [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > program's settings as it's dumping quote marks. Your reply > > looked as if you'd written the bit you quoted. Signature--------------------------- Another squeaking wheel @ http//tinyurl.com/6bf56 Mike's Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) --------------------------- *snippage of snarky remark to Duckie* > As a result of your newsreader being disfunctional, > (assuming a lack of intentional post mangling) your post > here claims that I said things I didn't. > > You might want to fix that when your pain subsides. Mike, the problem with telling us to fix our newsreaders is that, to us, they aren't broken. We don't all use the reader you use and the posts appear just the way they should for most of us. Also, just saying you don't agree with something doesn't make it wrong for everyone. We can't all be computer gurus, nor do we want to be. I personally like my rut and maybe I like the pretty blue color my screen turns every now and then. That's my call and you really can't tell me I need to change to suit you and your preferences. I respect your input on most things, but am kinda tired of being told that one product you prefer is better than anything else. Maybe it is, but not everyone is going to run out and get it to make reading the group easier for you. I do see your point about the unintentional spam, but we're probably going to continue to occasionally forget ourselves and talk about some great new thing we've found, and where to get it. Call it stupid human tricks, brain fog, or whatever. I guess all I'm asking is that you cut us some slack. Kelly C. Mike, Why the heck do you even care? You don't participate in this ng regularly as far as sharing your troubles with arthritis and such. The only time you seem to ever appear is to try and correct someone or to force YOUR views upon someone. Who in the heck made you the ng police kop??? If we want to say someone hacked into a site or if we want to say look what we found that works really well for us in helping us with our daily struggles with pain and such, we will. 99% of the people here in this group know what true spammers, trolls, and other such trouble causers look like! We certainly don't need you to just pop in to tell us how wrong we are. You don't really serve any purpose here other than to try and make people feel bad or feel guilty because they don't fit into YOUR standards. Go find another ng that fits your needs if this one doesn't seem to work for you!!! Otherwise, you might want to try setting your perfectionist views aside and letting the people of this group be human for a change! Sheesh!!! Donna G PS........thank you Gwen for sharing with us the tools you received that help make daily living a bit easier! On May 13, Newsgroup Spambuster posted: > Mike, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > PS........thank you Gwen for sharing with us the tools you received that > help make daily living a bit easier! As my hands are hurting from the last reply I wrote, I'll cut to the chase here... Stop indulging in emotional knee-jerk reactions and... GAFC P.S. Yes, you have been irritating enough to warrant that response. Signature--------------------------- Another squeaking wheel @ http//tinyurl.com/6bf56 Mike's Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) --------------------------- On May 13, Kelly Cobb posted: > *snippage of snarky remark to Duckie* And I note snippage of Duckie's reactive comments too. > > As a result of your newsreader being disfunctional, > > (assuming a lack of intentional post mangling) your post [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > they aren't broken. We don't all use the reader you use and the posts appear > just the way they should for most of us. Not broken, just slightly disfunctional, and often because somebody has been playing about with the configs and thinks the result of that playtime "looks cool", which it very well may do in THEIR reader, but screws things bigtime for some others. There are long established standards regarding internet communication protocols, and just because YOUR newsreader does not register various barf-ups does not make life any easier for those who rely on those standards being followed, be it for reason of disability or otherwise. Did I make my point here? I don't make the protocols, but I DO see some of the results of artistic "tweakings" that compromise them, unlike the "most" that probably don't as they use the same semi-disfunctional reader. ...and occasionally I mention these minor screwups where a moment's attention could save people with visual difficulties a whole load of the techno-hassle that results from said tweakings. > Also, just saying you don't agree with something doesn't make it wrong for > everyone. Well, du-UH? What are you saying here? > We can't all be computer gurus, nor do we want to be. I personally > like my rut and maybe I like the pretty blue color my screen turns every now > and then. That's my call and you really can't tell me I need to change to > suit you and your preferences. Like its my business what system you use/suffer? Just make sure it sticks to... INTERNATIONAL COMMUNICATIONS STANDARDS! Oh, do pay attention at the back! I WILL be asking questions later! >:| > I respect your input on most things, but am kinda tired of being told that > one product you prefer is better than anything else. Maybe it is, but not > everyone is going to run out and get it to make reading the group easier for > you. For the record, I do not claim that one product is better than another. What I DO claim in my own sweet and cuddly way is that M$ produce the WORST EVER security risk on any network, including the internet, and if anyone suffers problems using it, and expects things to be FIXED, they are living in a world of corporately induced illusion and will be chasing that "magic fix" like a junkie forever. Almost ANY operating system is an improvement over M$. ;) Most alternatives are FREE! Therefore, technically, any reference to them cannot be spam. (Tada! :) This has nothing to do with complying with INTERNATIONAL COMMUNICATIONS STANDARDS! > I do see your point about the unintentional spam, WHUHOO!!! At last! 8\ > but we're probably going > to continue to occasionally forget ourselves and talk about some great new > thing we've found, and where to get it. Call it stupid human tricks, brain > fog, or whatever. Yeah, and I'm sure many will agree, so what? And sometimes someone is going to mention it too? Again, so what? YOU PEOPLE CAN BE DAMN HARD WORK! 8( Sheesh! One simple point takes THIS long! > I guess all I'm asking is that you cut us some slack. Yeah sure... www.slackware.com P.S. The link provision is a humorous comment! Signature--------------------------- Another squeaking wheel @ http//tinyurl.com/6bf56 Mike's Brain @ http://tinyurl.com/4872c Have a nice day, it really does do you good! :) --------------------------- what a sweet and thoughtful gift. I love it when family members realize that it really can be ok to give practical gifts. I've never minded practical if it's a way to get something I want! 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