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Mary Z - 05 May 2005 05:06 GMT I have been working on a minor remodel of my kitchen I pulled out my old counter tops (the particle board was starting to rise up and buckle) and installed granite tile counters with a ceramic back splash. Wow I had no idea how much work tile actually is. I was skeptical about the labor costs but I am a true believer now. I have been helping with the project, it looks great. We still have grouting on the back splash and the oak edging must be installed. By the stove I went with a deco ceramic back splash that goes all the way up to the cabinets. I can't wait to see how it looks all completed, but I am a whipped puppy!
On top of that we had an accountability audit at work. It is amazing how much money we can spend chasing after every nickel. They want zero risk for theft for our logging operations. The cost of zero risk is almost more than the logs are worth. When the accountants come up with these very expensive procedures and ideas I wonder if they look at the total expense vs product value. This must cost 100s of millions nationally, it is absolutely insane. Risk management is not in the FS vocabulary. I get so frustrated with these insane rules that were created for high value old growth timber, we are doing small stuff now that is only worth about $500 a load. Grrrrrrrr...... anal bean counters. -- MZ
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Jo Firey - 05 May 2005 05:23 GMT >I have been working on a minor remodel of my kitchen I pulled out my > old counter tops (the particle board was starting to rise up and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > that is only worth about $500 a load. Grrrrrrrr...... anal bean > counters. -- MZ Laughing here. Only thing worse than an accountant is a government accountant. And there is no such thing as zero risk and no audit that can catch everything.
At least in the private sector we have to be able to show value for cost for our services.
(And yes I do believe I've overall saved my clients more in taxes and business losses that I've cost them over my career. )
Jo
Mary Z - 06 May 2005 02:51 GMT >Laughing here. Only thing worse than an accountant is a government >accountant. And there is no such thing as zero risk and no audit that can >catch everything. If they start bringing up internal controls again I will scream!!!!!!! So much of this is just picky and very expensive. I understand how a toilet seat costs a hundred dollars in the military. They probably need an engineer to design it, then the design has to be checked and after it is manufactured a military inspector has to check it and an independent auditor must check the inspector. Checkers checking the checkers that is what it is all about.
We had some big partnerships we wanted to do with some outside groups, our imaginative grants and agreements folks decided we needed to require bonding because the grant was over $25,000 they needed to bond to insure we would receive the money. We were doing the project in stages and the granters want to give us money as we started each phase of the project. True story.... now wouldn't you just love to partner with the Forest Service. How stupid and expensive. They said what if we don't get paid well...... duh we have only been working with these folks for years on big projects with an impeccable record and they are backed by the state of Oregon. Monsters under the bed, what would happen if........ The government thrives on imagining the worst case scenario. -- MZ
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Nann Bell - 07 May 2005 16:17 GMT > (And yes I do believe I've overall saved my clients more in taxes and > business losses that I've cost them over my career. ) I believe that Jo! Mike's got an accountant cousin who works with some of the big hospitals in St Louis. One accounting firm drove him away and then got a big surprise when their hospital clients all jumped ship to follow him to another firm. Says a lot about what a good acountant can do for the client.
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Jan O'Keeffe - 05 May 2005 14:23 GMT >>By the stove I went with a deco ceramic back splash that goes all the way >>up to the cabinets. << Mary- A word of caution. I have a ceramic counter-top stove and I broke it (serves me right for trying to cook). I dropped a heavy bundt pan on it and broke off a corner. I was going to replace it but then figured I'd do it again so I just keep a vase or candle over the corner and the stove still works. Your kitchen sounds great. Jan O'
>I have been working on a minor remodel of my kitchen I pulled out my > old counter tops (the particle board was starting to rise up and [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com d'huit - 05 May 2005 15:53 GMT >I have been working on a minor remodel of my kitchen I pulled out my > old counter tops (the particle board was starting to rise up and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > cabinets. I can't wait to see how it looks all completed, but I am a > whipped puppy! oh! how fun!!! yes. i know how much work it is. and i know it is body challenging. but the sense of accomplishment and creative effort will put a smile on your face every morning when you see it for the first time each day. wish i could see it.
personally, i totally love to tile. i did all the tiling, by myself, in my upstairs bathroom--the tub surround, tub end stub wall (for plants, candles and/or pampering basket), window sill, and of course, the vanity top. actually, a couple of general contractors wanted to hire me as a tiling subcontractor after seeing my work in that bathroom.LOL i laugh, because there is a no chance i'd take them up on it with this body. i still have the intention of tiling the small front door stoop with terra cotta tiles (to match my house's outdoor brick window sills), after i get around to replacing the front door. maybe, after the gimpfest.
are you helping a professional tiler or a friend who knows how to do this? either way, one piece of gratuitious advice, if you don't mind and if i may---seal coat the grout at least twice, this first time, before you use your counters, because of the kind of use your counters will endure. and re-seal the grout, at least every 2 to 3 years, after that (every year really is better, but who has the time or remembers to do that). that's a very easy part of the job to do, just brush the clear liquid sealant into the grout and it will preserve the pristine appearance for you, against discoloring grease, spills and stains, in the long run. personally, i'd rather be faithful with the sealant than have to remove the grout and re-grout.
as for the gov't and it's idiotic approach to managing resources and money-- well, butch had a term for the gov't managers of most things like this. his term was "running dummies", meaning they could and would come up with more ways of running in one spot or in tight little circles, to cost the nat'l budget more and to simply give the appearance that they are doing something worthwhile to justify their paychecks. (((((((maryz)))))))) it has to be totally frustrating to deal with the "running dummies" and their busy work procedures and "ideas". and jo's right---huge difference between gov't accountants, the "running dummies", and private sector accountants.
kate
> On top of that we had an accountability audit at work. It is amazing > how much money we can spend chasing after every nickel. They want [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com Mary Z - 06 May 2005 02:59 GMT >are you helping a professional tiler or a friend who knows how to do this? >either way, one piece of gratuitious advice, if you don't mind and if i >may---seal coat the grout at least twice, this first time, before you use >your counters, because of the kind of use your counters will endure. and >re-seal the grout, at least every 2 to 3 years, after that (every year >really is better, but who has the time or remembers to do that). I have been working with an experienced tiler, he is very picky. All that backer board has to be totally flat and it paid off the tiles are flat no raised edges. Granite tile only take a 1/16 th grout line and the grout is dark brown so staining should not be too much of an issue. I bought the sealer yesterday and plan to seal coat it before use. I bought the good stuff. Very impressive that you did your own tiling did you cut the backer board and plywood? -- MZ
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d'huit - 06 May 2005 05:37 GMT >>are you helping a professional tiler or a friend who knows how to do this? >>either way, one piece of gratuitious advice, if you don't mind and if i [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > use. I bought the good stuff. Very impressive that you did your own > tiling did you cut the backer board and plywood? -- MZ way to go! you're steps ahead of me. good sealer is a must, generally speaking. a picky tiler (actually, a picky craftsman of any kind) is a good thing and will make your finished product look good for a long time afterwards.
nah. butch did the all the finishing oak woodwork and pre-lim carpentry with marine grade plywood and cement board (the boys and butch did the drywalling). i know i could, though, if somebody with muscle would drag out the table saw for me.LOL i just got to do the fun part with a zillion pounds of 2x2 tortoise shell tiles<smile> and you're tiler is right -- the pre-lim/prep stuff means everything in the final result, especially with larger tiles, like 12x12s. (it's too hard to cheat (fill in) with bedding grout for the larger stuff.<smile>) the finishing work means a lot, too, though. bet it looks great!
you might want to save a couple of extra tiles, in case you ever break one and need to "gently" cold chisel it out, to reset a new one (though some tilers don't like to admit that can be done). it's hard, if not impossible, to find matching tiles years later---even if the tile store (or home depot or whatever) claims it is a stock item. there's no such thing as permanent stock items when it comes to tiles; and even if there was such a thing, color matches could be a problem. tile types and colors "go out of style", as far as marketing space goes (when new tiles become popular); and the tile warehouses stop storing them; and the mfgs stop making them. i found that out the hard way, in the downstairs bathroom--and i had a large stained glass window made to match the pattern on our new tiles when we first remodeled back in '76--ouch! grout color you can always mix to match.
kate
> Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com Nann Bell - 07 May 2005 16:17 GMT > personally, i totally love to tile. i did all the tiling, by myself, in my > upstairs bathroom--the tub surround, tub end stub wall (for plants, candles > and/or pampering basket), window sill, and of course, the vanity top. > actually, a couple of general contractors wanted to hire me as a tiling > subcontractor after seeing my work in that bathroom.LOL somehow, I think you and I had better never share living space, Kate. I have this feeling the whole place would be tiled! Then again....... I'm starting to see and outdoor sitting area with a lovely Mediterreanian (sp?) style, tiled low wall.........................
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d'huit - 07 May 2005 20:28 GMT >> personally, i totally love to tile. i did all the tiling, by myself, in >> my [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > to see and outdoor sitting area with a lovely Mediterreanian (sp?) style, > tiled low wall......................... uhohhhh, don't give me any more ideas, nann!LOL makes me want to raise the one foot tall (on the inside of the patio) brick planter enclosures on my patio. hmmm . . . to two feet tall or three? did i mention i love doing brickwork, too?<smile> i can probably still do that kind of thing, if somebody delivers the brick close enough to where i need them, though i can't build stone walls anymore. yep, that too. i loved building with stone, too. did the stone steps, the 40 ft. long stone retaining wall (after i hand dug out and terraced my backyard into two levels) and all the rockeries, in my backyard by myself, too.LOL butch learned to know better than to offer to help when i was on a roll in the backyard.---gee, how'd my back get this way, i wonder? the other day, i found a couple of old photos from when i finished all the stone work (before i actually paid someone to redo the stairs and add one more step). i could scan them for you, if you'd like to see them. you can even see one section of the patio brickwork in one shot.
i've always dreamed of getting rid of my front lawn and puting in an enclosed courtyard with no grass to mow, tiled, of course.LOL ("when i hit the lotto" in several states at once.) but, then . . . that might look a little odd with my 1 and 3/4 cape cod architecture. ô¿ô
kate
> remove the Gator cheer to email me > Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare RhondaM - 05 May 2005 18:35 GMT I get so frustrated with these insane rules that were
> created for high value old growth timber, we are doing small stuff now > that is only worth about $500 a load. Grrrrrrrr...... anal bean > counters. -- MZ ROTFLMHO!!!! My hubby is a bean counter. I know what you mean too. He gets so anal when it comes to that stufff. He is still in school for his CPA, but he has become so anal. He has a two year degree and I thought he was getting stuffy then.lol.. He is so sweet though and hopefully he can give accountants a better name.:o)
RhondaM
>I have been working on a minor remodel of my kitchen I pulled out my > old counter tops (the particle board was starting to rise up and [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com Jo Firey - 06 May 2005 01:02 GMT >I get so frustrated with these insane rules that were >> created for high value old growth timber, we are doing small stuff now [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > RhondaM While he is in school its tough. The teachers are usually very well versed in the rules, but are often teaching because they can't function in the real world where value for money is expected. But he does need what they have to teach. Then there will be required on the job training after school. Also best accomplished with rather anal types who are very particular. And some of those anal qualities will save your a.s because it takes careful training to learn not to take shortcuts and not to make mistakes and to find and correct any mistakes you do make. Those are survival skills.
Then you find yourself out there needing people skills you were never taught.
I quit auditing. I was very good at it but it wasn't good for me. I'm highly skeptical anyway, and it was making me much worse. I'm better off in taxes as I like the clients I've had, enjoy their company, and can believe what they tell me, at least up to a point. (Past that point they are no longer clients) And business consulting is a blast.
Jo
RhondaM - 06 May 2005 04:49 GMT LONG!!!!!! I didn't know you were an accountant. I might be picking your brain often.He is going to hire someone to do his resume because I am unable to do them anymore....brain fog. He has a Associates in Business and just completed his Jr year yesterday. I think he is wanting to start doing internships now to get experience. Any ideas????? This company that we are retaining for his resume and job search specializes in accounting. I hope he is making the right choice. I can say that one of his best qualities is his honesty and his work ethic. I wish he could start making the money now..we sure need it! He is currently a shipping/receiving foreman for this company. He has been there four years now. He has grown as far as he can get with this co.
When we were in Phoenix a couple of weeks ago we met this lady who was an accountant. I wish we would have got her name and number she was a hoot! She just finished tax season, closed up her office, and was on vacation. A very interesting person. For some reason you sound like her in how you told your story! Take care, RhondaM
>>I get so frustrated with these insane rules that were >>> created for high value old growth timber, we are doing small stuff now [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Jo Squirrely - 07 May 2005 01:44 GMT Good job. I bet you will be so proud of the finished kitchen.
Just don't overdo it okay. You take care and don't work too hard.
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Squirrely Jo
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>I have been working on a minor remodel of my kitchen I pulled out my > old counter tops (the particle board was starting to rise up and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > that is only worth about $500 a load. Grrrrrrrr...... anal bean > counters. -- MZ Nann Bell - 07 May 2005 16:17 GMT > I have been working on a minor remodel of my kitchen I pulled out my > old counter tops (the particle board was starting to rise up and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > cabinets. I can't wait to see how it looks all completed, but I am a > whipped puppy! I LOVE tile work! Love to do it, love the results. Haven't done it in a while though, no place needing it. (mom and sister tiled a floor last summer though, just a few months before the tree fell and destroyed that room!) You're gonna love the finished results when you are rested enough to do so. Meanwhile, I'm searching the thrift stores in town for the right piece to play some mosaic games on.............
> created for high value old growth timber, we are doing small stuff now > that is only worth about $500 a load. Grrrrrrrr...... anal bean > counters. -- MZ it's just nuts the way they DON'T have loopholes when they really should and DO have them when they shouldn't. Government for you, I s'pose.
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