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mL - 25 Apr 2005 22:10 GMT
Is there an emotional process or something?

I'm scared of all this, every once in awhile i think about what's happening
to my body and i feel like i'm caught in a trap that there's no release from,
i'll just drag it around with me for the rest of my life and deal with it.  

(i'm 48F, 4 levels cervical osteoarthritis/bluging disks, pinched nerve,
frozen shoulder, hip/knee pain unknown reason so far, all left sided)

Sometimes i feel those hopeless feelings but that's only when i think about
limitations and the things i'll NOT be able to do.  If i concentrate on what i
CAN do, then i feel better.

I don't know how to deal with this socially yet, and i know that other ppl
don't know what to say.  "i hope you get better soon" doesn't fit, becuz it's
never going away.  "i'm sorry you poor thing" doesn't fit becuz that makes me
feel patronized and angry.  "My mother/father/grandmother/great-great-grandma
has that" definitely doesn't help.  nor does "i have that and i'm just fine,
stop babying yourself, it doesn't hurt that bad".

Right now, i am sad and feeling kind of isolated.  I'm recently
empty-nested too, and both my parents are having serious health problems
(in their 80's).  Still waiting to hear from SSDI about my claim, too.

Thanks for listening.
Jo Firey - 25 Apr 2005 22:35 GMT
Well, yes there is an emotional process.  But its more random than straight
line.  Not everyone reaches the same level of acceptance or even wants to.

Jo

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Joan Carter - 25 Apr 2005 23:23 GMT
>Right now, i am sad and feeling kind of isolated.

The best thing we can do here is listen. You are entitled to your rant or whine
or whatever you want to call it. Sometimes someone here will offer a little
cheese to go with the whine. :-)

We also offer chocolate, but mostly we listen. Stick around.

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Joan
Diane - 25 Apr 2005 23:46 GMT
hi ml,
glad you came here. there is a process, and as jo said, it's different
for everyone. i find i go through that trapped feeling every time
something new is added to my list of physical problems. it's as though
i get to a point where i can deal with what i have, and then something
new gets tossed in the mix. so far, nothing's been subtracted,
unfortunately.

the thing that works best for me (and not necessarily for you or anyone
else) is to forget about healing as being something physical and to
think about it in more spiritual terms. also, thinking about friends of
mine who died way before they were lucky enough to reach my age (55)
helps me appreciate every moment i'm given, no matter how uncomfortable
that moment may be.

it's particularly hard when you're dealing with loved ones, like your
parents. i've brought this up here before. i can usually get a handle
on my own misery, but i can't come to grips with the suffering of my
siblings (MS, kidney disease, etc) or that of my parents before they
died. that's much harder than dealing with my own in many ways.

so many of us here know how you feel, and a lot of us have had to deal
with declining parents as well. please continue to turn to asa for
support and we'll all muddle through together . . .  somehow or
another.

diane
Cindy - 25 Apr 2005 23:51 GMT
Acceptance is one of the hardest things to do...I have OA in every joint in
my body and FM....And no it isn't going away...And yes there are days I do
more and feel like doing more...And about the time I think that I have
accepted my limits..I have a really good day and then I question whether or
not I am really "sick"...Then I over do it and Pow...I let a flare sneak up
and knock my socks off...Then I have to go through the whole acceptance
denial circle again...
Also Accepting doesn't mean giving up or in...It just means that you realize
that there is something wrong with you that isn't really ever going to go
all the way away... But accepting that doesn't mean that you quit searching
for ways to have a better quality of life...Or searching for that "miracle
cure"....Or keep you from reading everything you can find...

I think that I really hate it worse when My Mom worries about me and I hate
to complain to her....I don't want her to feel sorry for me or feel bad
because I feel bad...
And I have to keep myself from doing the same thing to my daughter..who is
only 27 and has FM and OA....And I see her beginning to struggle like I do.
And when she tells me it hurts...I don't wanna just say Yeah I know because
I don't want her to think that I think she is whining and I want her to know
I do understand...
Man did I make this long....

Coming here is a great relief...because if you say...My hair hurts...We
understand completely...
And you do have to hide your chocolate...There is a rumor of a chocolate
burgurlar around...Hope you haven't had any chocolate come up missing...

Hugs Cindy
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Rosemarie Shiver - 26 Apr 2005 00:13 GMT
Yes.

   Same as for any kind of grieving. You have to get beyond who you were
and deal with who you now are. Who/what you thought you'd be by age X isn't
going to be so there is that part of the process of letting go and moving
on, too.

  What varies is the individual rate at which the grief stages are
done...or if a person gets stuck at one. Getting stuck at a stage is a very
not good thing.

  I've got the T-Shirt and hat and they're both one size fits all.

BTDT Hugs from Rosie

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RhondaM - 26 Apr 2005 00:13 GMT
Hi I am a top poster.. sorry it is a defect.
Anyways, You sound like I did a few years ago.
I have to agree with everyone here about the time on acceptance. I find
myself getting really peed off when I am unable to do something that used to
be easy for me. Yes I feel trapped and depressed when I get that way.
I watch people play softball and I get jealous with envy. I want to play so
bad I can taste it. If I did or even tried I would be in the hospital. I go
through times when everything is good and then bam I am down with awful pain
and fatigue. That is my biggest complaint about this junk is when I want to
do something and I am unable to, or I am slower at it. Sometimes I feel like
screaming and I go through moments when I could just throw something into
the wall because I am so angry that I have this stuff. Then I stop and look
around at the things I can do and then I home in on that and give 110%. That
helps me allot. I have recently learned all of my limitations and I have
learned to pace myself so I can do more. I do leave the dishes after dinner
now(they will be there when I feel betteror the kids will pitch in and
help). I stopped fretting over small stuff. Maybe you can find peace with
your body and make a deal with it if it will let you do a little fun now you
will promise to rest it more often.
Yes, people and family that do not have this stuff do not understand nor
will they ever totally understand what you are going through. Do not let
that make you feel like a failure or that you are less of a person. I did
that for so many years. I would make excuses and sometime agree with them. I
stopped that. If they do not understand to an extent and they can not show
you respect then screw them (excuse my french). I have totally stopped
talking to some of my family because they thought I was a faker.
Now they show a little more compassion and understanding.
Sorry for being so long winded, but I just had to say this.
Stick around there are some really great people here.
BTW HIDE YOUR CHOCOLATE!
RhondaM
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Rosemarie Shiver - 26 Apr 2005 00:22 GMT
LOL!

   Nothing defective about top posting. In fact, anyone who reduces my
amount of scrolling is a goodie, IMNSHO. :-) Being a top poster makes ya a
keeper.

   Here at ASA it's any which way you can post...but I do appreciate
answers on top. <g>

Top Posted Hugs from Rosie

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chebet - 26 Apr 2005 00:58 GMT
Me too!!!
Thank you.
Betty L.

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mL - 26 Apr 2005 00:57 GMT
>BTW HIDE YOUR CHOCOLATE!

Thanks for the replies, and for the listening.
I feel less isolated being able to discuss it here.

And i LOVE chocolate! :-)
DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 26 Apr 2005 03:18 GMT
In a word...yes.  It's a grieving process because, let's face it, a part of
us is lost forever.  No matter how we learn to cope, we all go through it.
And, not to scare you, but even after all these years, I sometimes start all
over again being angry that I can't do such-and-such when before it was a
breeze.  Just keep focusing on what you CAN do and you'll make it through.

Welcome to our sandbox.  Here, you can use my shovel while I go get us some
lemonade.

DeeTee
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mL - 26 Apr 2005 04:31 GMT
>Welcome to our sandbox.  Here, you can use my shovel while I go get us some
>lemonade.

extra sugar in mine, ok?
;-)
firechief - 26 Apr 2005 05:01 GMT
Mary Lou wrote:

> Is there an emotional process or something?

Yes, and not just once but many times.

> I don't know how to deal with this socially yet,
> and i know that other ppl don't know what to say.
> Right now, i am sad and feeling kind of isolated.

I was in that situation after being diagnosed in
1977 (2nd opinion after first diagnosis in 1976)
even though I was still working.

About 1980 I began participating in a Christian
divorce group with bowling, dinner-theater, and
other social activities.  Then in Fall 1983 I went
to a square dance class to re-learn everything
I had forgotten after dancing 1948-1960.   <g>

I was in the same situation in Jamul again when
I had to stop driving in 1996 (the primary reason
I moved back to "city life" in El Cajon).

... Dismantled:  The New York Yankees after 1968.
Nann Bell - 26 Apr 2005 15:14 GMT
> Is there an emotional process or something?

very much so.  I relate it to the grieving process that goes with death
(think Kubler-Ross's stages here).  And that's not at all inappropriate.  You
are grieving for your former state of health and adjusting to a major change
in how you live and function.  It does get better, but acceptance is a slow
process and you still have days when you revert to rage or at least to the
doldrums.

> (i'm 48F, 4 levels cervical osteoarthritis/bluging disks, pinched nerve,
> frozen shoulder, hip/knee pain unknown reason so far, all left sided)

how are you sleeping?  with the problems you describe, I'm thinking there's a
good chance your sleep is being disturbed by pain.  If so, talk to your
doctor about it.  you may need pain meds or sleep meds to help you rest.  
Anti-depressants work well for some folks in helping with sleep disturbances
from chronic illness.

I mention all of this because adjusting/accepting is even harder if you
aren't getting enough sleep.  The mind is just too tired to deal with it and
the fatigue increases your pain.  It's all a part of the loop.

Hang in there.  You'll make it.

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mL - 26 Apr 2005 20:12 GMT
>how are you sleeping?  with the problems you describe, I'm thinking there's a
>good chance your sleep is being disturbed by pain.  If so, talk to your
>doctor about it.  you may need pain meds or sleep meds to help you rest.  
>Anti-depressants work well for some folks in helping with sleep disturbances
>from chronic illness.

I sleep pretty well if i take a muscle relaxer or Xanax before bed.  In fact,
i'm still groggy 12 hours later - fine if i don't have to get up and moving.

 The nights i don't take anything, i am awake a lot.  They tried me on
various AD's to help w/sleep and pain but they were all highly constipating
and knocked me out way too much and too long even at a light dosage.  I do
take Wellbutrin in the a.m. and have for a couple of years, it has helped with
depression and virtually eliminated IBS attacks (that was a success!).

You're right, a good night's sleep makes a big difference mentally and
physically.
d'huit - 27 Apr 2005 17:15 GMT
yes, acceptance of arthritis is an emotional journey and each journey is the
personal processing of each day's full of the familiar, the strange and the
absurd---it's grief and fear, denial and anger, despair and desparation,
feeling helpless and hopeless; it's reaching out to others who can relate
and understand and sharing your own experiences which help others; it can be
a wild ride of emotional highs and lows; it's self-discovery, self-awareness
and creative adaptablity; it's learning to trust and learning who and what
not to trust; it's learning to navagate the uncertain and ever-changing
waters of conventional and complementary medicine; it's sometimes throwing
sacred hissy fits and sometimes sitting still while listening to your body;
it's one foot in front of the other; it's taking life one day at a time and
when a day is too long, one hour or one moment at a time; it's learning to
allow things you never thought you would allow and digging your heels in and
learning how and when to say "no"; it's gratitude and faith, hope and
abiding within; it's feeling jerked around and feeling you've been heard;
it's an education borne of questions; self-determination and
self-empowerment and knowing you are not alone;  it is feeling betrayed by
your body and feeling trapped by circumstances; challenging and challenges
and it's much, much more.

hang in there, hon.  you've come to the right place, we do understand.

kate

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Gwen Love - 27 Apr 2005 21:24 GMT
With me, it has been learning to accept a house that is not clean and
organized.  I can't get down to dust low things; I can't put things on the
high shelves in the closets or the cabinets in the kitchen (don't dare
climb).  If I didn't have the Roomba my floors would never get vacuumed.  I
just hate right now that my house is so dirty and so many things not put
away where they are supposed to be, which leaves my kitchen counters full of
"junk", things on a chair in my bedroom, books on the floor instead of on
the top shelf of the bookcases, etc., etc!  Can't move chairs and love seats
to vacuum underneath.  Am embarrassed for anyone to come in and see the way
I keep house.  But I am thankful I can still get out of bed every day and
live alone in "my mess"!
Gwen

> yes, acceptance of arthritis is an emotional journey and each journey is the
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d'huit - 27 Apr 2005 21:45 GMT
> With me, it has been learning to accept a house that is not clean and
> organized.  I can't get down to dust low things; I can't put things on the
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> live alone in "my mess"!
> Gwen

w0w, gwen!  i honestly felt like you were writing about my house and how i
feel about my own housekeeping.  i mean i could have written what you wrote,
word for word, but maybe a bit less concisely, cuz i'm wordier.
kate

>> yes, acceptance of arthritis is an emotional journey and each journey is
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Harvey R. Stone - 28 Apr 2005 13:45 GMT
>> With me, it has been learning to accept a house that is not clean and
>> organized.  I can't get down to dust low things; I can't put things on
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> wrote, word for word, but maybe a bit less concisely, cuz i'm wordier.
> kate

And in my case,  it was learning to live with fact that there are days when
I can not do things and other days that I can.   I have always worked on my
own car and did what needed to be done around the house.  As a house gets
older, more and more stuff needs to be done.   Things like giving away my
fishing boat because I just could not handle  getting off and on the trailer
any more with a side wind.  Having to buy an ele. lawnmower so the wife
could do the lawn when I can't.
Having to learn that whoever she does the lawn, I just can not say,,,,,, you
missed a spot. LOLOL
     Then there is the important stuff like learning to not dwell on the
negative things about today and be thankful for the blessings and parts of
our day that can be enjoyed.  So it goes.
Harv
Gary Z - 29 Apr 2005 21:51 GMT
>>> With me, it has been learning to accept a house that is not clean and
>>> organized.  I can't get down to dust low things; I can't put things on
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> our day that can be enjoyed.  So it goes.
> Harv

I can't do many things I used to be able to do, things I should still be
able to do even poorly taking into account my age. There are somethings I
can still do. I love to travel. If I can go somewhere every six months or
so, I really have something to look forward to. I have a goal, if you will.
I spend time planning and dreaming, scrimping and saving,  and working to
that end. It really helps keep my mind on  happy events in the future. It is
the best medicine I take right now.
Gary Z (just getting off the phone with the travel agent again)
P.S. Harv, will be down your way for a little bit in Dec. Flying into
Houston and have to be in Galveston on the 19th.
Jo Firey - 29 Apr 2005 22:46 GMT
> There are somethings I can still do. I love to travel. If I can go
> somewhere every six months or so, I really have something to look forward
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> P.S. Harv, will be down your way for a little bit in Dec. Flying into
> Houston and have to be in Galveston on the 19th.

You sound like me and my Mom.  Both of us would get depressed when a visit
would end.  Not just a bit sad mind you.  Full blown depression.

We each learned the only cure was to start planning another trip of some
sort.  Fortunately Daddy liked to travel and so does Charlie.

I'm much happier now that we again have cars that can be trusted for good
old fashioned "Road Trips"

Jo
Ann - 30 Apr 2005 01:27 GMT
I think Diane said it all for me (but much better than I could express
it).

Gwen and Kate:  How about a "whose house is dirtier contest". I know I
would win.  I try to keep downstairs in pretty good order, but if anyone
ever went upstairs I think I would die of shame.

Mary Lou, it really does get easier down the road when you are under
better control with meds.  I don't think I will ever accept my
limitations but over the years I have learned to deal with them (most of
the time). A good cry once in a while does help to relieve the tension
and anger.

My worse time of being depressed was when I was told I couldn't work
anymore and had to go on SSDI.  It was shortly after I lost both parents
plus a loved one and felt like the end of the world.  It wasn't though,
and there is always a tomorrow.  You are going to be okay.

Ann
mL - 30 Apr 2005 04:54 GMT
>My worse time of being depressed was when I was told I couldn't work
>anymore and had to go on SSDI.  It was shortly after I lost both parents
>plus a loved one and felt like the end of the world.  It wasn't though,
>and there is always a tomorrow.  You are going to be okay.

Thanks.
Harvey R. Stone - 30 Apr 2005 12:59 GMT
> Gary Z (just getting off the phone with the travel agent again)
> P.S. Harv, will be down your way for a little bit in Dec. Flying into
> Houston and have to be in Galveston on the 19th.

Well,,,, you have to almost go by my house when going to Galveston.   I hope
to see you then.
Harv
 
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