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Kelly Cobb - 24 Apr 2005 17:26 GMT
Today marks two years since our journey with epilepsy began. I can't believe
that 2 years could go by so fast, with me still feeling like it was just a
week ago. It helps that Rachel hasn't had a seizure in 10 months. Those
first 14 were such a rollercoaster of hospital stays, meds., side effects
and nightmares that I thought I'd never recover.

We'll see the neuro. in June, and I suspect that he'll want to wean Rach off
one of the meds. she's currently taking. He's wanted her on monotherapy
since this started, but it just didn't work that way for her. The big change
came when we added Keppra. She's only had 3 seizures in the 15 months since
she started taking it.

I don't mind saying that I'm scared. Things have been going so well for her
and I hate to rock the boat, but if she can go another year without
seizures, she may well be seizure free for life. I won't think about her
teen years and experimentation right now, it makes me nervous. We're doing
lots of talking about consequences and we'll have to hope for the best.

I have been remembering that first awful day all morning and feeling very
grateful for all the support and love that was shown for us from this
community. Thanks so much for the outpouring of affection for a little girl
that you've never seen and her gimpy mom. When I say I love you, I mean it.

Kelly C.

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RoseB - 24 Apr 2005 17:27 GMT
Wow! The time HAS gone by quickly.

I wish that whatever medical decisions are made. they are the right
ones and that Rachel remains seisure free.

(((((((((((((Kelly and Rachel))))))))))))))
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me2@dn14.net - 24 Apr 2005 18:19 GMT
>Thanks so much for the outpouring of affection for a little girl
>that you've never seen and her gimpy mom. When I say I love you, I mean it.
>
>Kelly C.

We love you Kelly, just like Rachel, and who wouldn't with such a
great mom as that?

Wishing you a totally  worry free medical future with Rachel, let's
face it, you'll probably have other things to worry about come the
teenage years! lol

take care

--
Andy
Kelly Cobb - 24 Apr 2005 21:56 GMT
> >Thanks so much for the outpouring of affection for a little girl
> >that you've never seen and her gimpy mom. When I say I love you, I mean it.
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> --
> Andy

Thanks so much, Andy...I can't believe I didn't think to post at UPSA as
well. I know that all my friends across the pond were thinking of us, too.

We are having a lovely day here and the sun has finally come out.
Unfortunately, this means I should be doing outside chores, instead I'm
sitting inside on the 'puter. Such is life.:o)

Kelly C.
Jan Brown - 24 Apr 2005 19:12 GMT
> I have been remembering that first awful day all morning and feeling very
> grateful for all the support and love that was shown for us from this
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>
> Kelly C.

Brilliant news Kelly. It's so nice to read such good news, and fingers
crossed it stays good for you both.
Janet (UK)
Jayne - 24 Apr 2005 20:04 GMT
> I have been remembering that first awful day all morning and feeling very
> grateful for all the support and love that was shown for us from this
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>
> Kelly C.

I can hardly believe that it has been 2 years Kelly - how time flies.  Great
news that Rachel is doing so well, and I hope her doctor visit in June goes
well.

Jayne
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>> I have been remembering that first awful day all morning and feeling very
>> grateful for all the support and love that was shown for us from this
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> Jayne
Cindy - 24 Apr 2005 20:20 GMT
I am so glad that the medication that Rachel is taking now is helping..I
know it must be scarey to think of weaning her off anything...
Praying for Gods hand in all of this..
Hugs Cind
> Today marks two years since our journey with epilepsy began. I can't
> believe
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>
> Kelly C.
Ashley - 25 Apr 2005 01:30 GMT
Kelly--

I'm so incredibly happy for your entire family! We've taken Rachel in
as our own little girl. Give her a big hug & kiss for me, hopefully I
will get to meet the two of you soon. Thank you for all of your love
and support as well. This past month has been rocky-- thanks for
everything. :)

-Ashley

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Kelly Cobb - 25 Apr 2005 04:22 GMT
> Kelly--
>
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>
> -Ashley

Thanks, hon. Do you think you'll be able to make it to Portland? I would so
love that. Rach has her neuro appt. the day before Gimpfest starts, so I'll
have all new news to share.

Oh yeah, I'm already stocking up on chocolate treats...found some 70% and
some 85% dark chocolate bars.

Kelly C.
Ashley - 25 Apr 2005 04:42 GMT
> Thanks, hon. Do you think you'll be able to make it to Portland? I would so
> love that. Rach has her neuro appt. the day before Gimpfest starts, so I'll
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>
> Kelly C.

I don't have a job right now so I don't know how I could afford it. I
really do wish I could make it. DJ and I are trying to figure something
out with my finances (like how I'm going to pay bills next month) so
keep your fingers crossed and prayers coming.

Mmmmm. Dark chocolate. You are seriously tempting me. :P

-Ashley

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Duckie - 25 Apr 2005 01:32 GMT
Kelly: print out my reply to this and give it to her to
read quietly in private.

Freshman year I discovered that the girl across the
hall was taking the same white capsule with the orange
racing stripe that I was taking - Dilantin. She was
horrified that I knew what it was but I had a good mind
set over my epilepsy and tried to share that with her.
Several months later, she comes to me to tell me she
had had a seizure while smoking marihuana in a car on a
date with a pre med student from Chapel Hill. She said
she was lucky she was with him as he actually knew what
to do. After the visit to the ER, they told her to stay
away from the dope as it messed with the electrical
circuits in her brain and that was probably what set
off the seizure. She came to tell me so I wouldn't make
the same mistake. Guess I am practically the only
person to graduate college in 1971 who never smoked the
stuff at all.
So as one epileptic to another, just wanted you to have
the warning.
Duckie

> Today marks two years since our journey with epilepsy began. I can't believe
> that 2 years could go by so fast, with me still feeling like it was just a
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>
> Kelly C.

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Kelly Cobb - 25 Apr 2005 04:15 GMT
Thanks for this, Caroline. Can't wait for June. Don't be surprised if I cry
on you when we meet.

Kelly C.

> Kelly: print out my reply to this and give it to her to
> read quietly in private.
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> the warning.
> Duckie
Duckie - 26 Apr 2005 04:33 GMT
You cry all you want to. Just glad to be here or there
for you. I've been listening to the River Mix MaryZ
sent me. It is playing in my car all the time. First
the Gimpfest and then the River. It will be a full June.
So did you say you were bringing chocolate???
Duckie

> Thanks for this, Caroline. Can't wait for June. Don't be surprised if I cry
> on you when we meet.
>
> Kelly C.
Kelly Cobb - 26 Apr 2005 04:35 GMT
> You cry all you want to. Just glad to be here or there
> for you. I've been listening to the River Mix MaryZ
> sent me. It is playing in my car all the time. First
> the Gimpfest and then the River. It will be a full June.
> So did you say you were bringing chocolate???
> Duckie

Yup, I got four big bars of Lindt dark chocolate. Two are 70% and two are
85% cocoa. Fortunately, I don't really care for dark, so they'll be safe in
the house until the gathering.lol I am planning to pick up a couple of
bottles of a really nice, whole cluster pinot noir, put out by the local
winery, too. I love it and know others will, as well.

Kelly C.
Duckie - 26 Apr 2005 05:40 GMT
yummy

> Yup, I got four big bars of Lindt dark chocolate. Two are 70% and two are
> 85% cocoa. Fortunately, I don't really care for dark, so they'll be safe in
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> Kelly C.

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Nann Bell - 26 Apr 2005 15:05 GMT
> Yup, I got four big bars of Lindt dark chocolate. Two are 70% and two are
> 85% cocoa. Fortunately, I don't really care for dark, so they'll be safe in
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>
> Kelly C.

Dang!  sure wish I could be there, but the ordination date had better not
change now.  My mom's bought her plane ticket up and Mike ordered the
invitations yesterday.  So I guess I'll have to be satisfied with our
celebration here.

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Kelly Cobb - 26 Apr 2005 16:11 GMT
> > Yup, I got four big bars of Lindt dark chocolate. Two are 70% and two are
> > 85% cocoa. Fortunately, I don't really care for dark, so they'll be safe in
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> invitations yesterday.  So I guess I'll have to be satisfied with our
> celebration here.

We'll miss you and Mike, Nann. I was really hoping to meet you.:o(

Kelly c.
Mary Z - 25 Apr 2005 04:18 GMT
>Today marks two years since our journey with epilepsy began. I can't believe
>that 2 years could go by so fast, with me still feeling like it was just a
>week ago. It helps that Rachel hasn't had a seizure in 10 months. Those
>first 14 were such a rollercoaster of hospital stays, meds., side effects
>and nightmares that I thought I'd never recover.

I am delighted she is doing so well we were all so scared when the
seizures started I am glad they have found the right mix.  Having RA
you appreciate that sometimes finding the right mix can be a
challenged.  I hope the drug withdrawl goes well.  We are looking
forward to seeing Rachel in June. -- mZ

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Kelly Cobb - 25 Apr 2005 04:23 GMT
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:26:43 -0700, "Kelly Cobb"
.

> I am delighted she is doing so well we were all so scared when the
> seizures started I am glad they have found the right mix.  Having RA
> you appreciate that sometimes finding the right mix can be a
> challenged.  I hope the drug withdrawl goes well.  We are looking
> forward to seeing Rachel in June. -- mZ

Mary, expect a very tearful, but happy me. I am so looking forward to seeing
everyone and really hope that everybody can make it.

Kelly C.
d'huit - 25 Apr 2005 04:25 GMT
two years.  w0w.  in the kind of odd way i have of looking at these kinds of
things, i'm glad those two years went by so fast for you, kelly.  (i know
how agonizingly relative time can be, especially when you are in the moment,
when that moment is difficult.)  to me, your retrospective perception means
a lot of healing has also happened for you; and that's good and seems to me
like a blessing for your whole family, cuz families need their feminine
strength to keep them balanced and you've definitely been it, lady.
((((((((((((kelly)))))))))

rach is one majorly resilient kid and an amazing little girl, but then, "you
don't plant peas and grow potatoes."---as a little irish nurse once told
us.<smile>  she remains in my thoughts and prayers, as do you all.  i'm so
glad rach has been doing so well. and somehow, it feels to me like she's
going to continue to do so.    mmmmm . . . "seizure-free for life" sounds
like words for a powerful prayer or mantra.  i know i can get behind that
desire for rach.

as for you being scared---ummm . . . did you really expect not to be?  i
don't think you'd be normal if you weren't scared.  i'd certainly be, too;
heck, we'd all be.  i mean, you've been on heightened alert status for two
years now, and getting that intermittant chance to take a breather, now and
then, has not come easily to you.  so, i'm positive it certainly has felt
like it's been a wild ride for you.

you and rach have been easy to love and support, hon.  and heck, you've
given so much back, in so many ways, especially in sharing your and rach's
challenges and allowing us to think positive thoughts for you and to open
our hearts to you both.  i mean it too, when i say i love you both, gimpy
mom and special little girl.<smile>  i'm grateful you are in my world.

kate

> Today marks two years since our journey with epilepsy began. I can't
> believe
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>
> Kelly C.
Kelly Cobb - 25 Apr 2005 05:37 GMT
as for you being scared---ummm . . . did you really expect not to be?>

> kate

You know, Kate, this statement kept drawing my eye over and over. I have
been sitting here trying to analyze why it struck me so. The simple answer
is, yeah I expected to someday have all the answers and be confident in the
decisions I made, and secure in the knowledge that life would work out in a
certain way. HA!! OMG...I think I just grew up!LOL

You know, as a child, I thought life worked that way. You grow up, get
married, get a job, have kids, pay bills, and know everything. You are
self-confident, self-assured, intelligent and have all the answers. You're
not afraid of the monster under the bed, and you don't need to leave the
bathroom light on anymore.

Crappy part is, the monster came out from under my bed and the covers lost
their magic. It bit me on the a.s and nothing has been right since. I've got
it huddled in the corner now, but it's still watching me, waiting for me to
turn out the light.

I think I need to go bed, this is enough self-realization for one day.

Love ya,
Kelly C.
Jo Firey - 25 Apr 2005 05:50 GMT
Being grown up sure isn't anything like we thought it would be is it?
Other than really great and rewarding.

Now I wonder how old I was when I finally realized that the feeling of being
"in control" I was looking forward to was never going to happen, and it
wasn't happening much for anybody else either.

The up side is everything isn't all our fault either.  That part is kind of
a relief.

Jo

> as for you being scared---ummm . . . did you really expect not to be?>
>
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> Love ya,
> Kelly C.
Kelly Cobb - 25 Apr 2005 05:59 GMT
> Being grown up sure isn't anything like we thought it would be is it?
> Other than really great and rewarding.
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>
> Jo

I think I'm slower than the average bear, Jo. Thanks for making me feel like
I'm not alone out here.

Are you feeling better tonight?

Kelly C.
Jo Firey - 25 Apr 2005 06:12 GMT
>> Being grown up sure isn't anything like we thought it would be is it?
>> Other than really great and rewarding.
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>
> Kelly C.

The black eye faded to just a little yellow really fast and there is no pain
from the surgery.  A little dizzy and a whole lot anxious if I let myself
think about it.

The cover over my ear and the surgery site itches like crazy.  Time for
benedryl and bed.

Jo
Kelly Cobb - 25 Apr 2005 06:26 GMT
> The black eye faded to just a little yellow really fast and there is no pain
> from the surgery.  A little dizzy and a whole lot anxious if I let myself
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>
> Jo

Sleep tight...I've still got the monster cornered. He's actually looking a
little nervous now...that's good.

Kelly C.
Duckie - 26 Apr 2005 04:37 GMT
Bwhaaaaaa!!!!
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> Sleep tight...I've still got the monster cornered. He's actually looking a
> little nervous now...that's good.
>
> Kelly C.

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Ashley - 25 Apr 2005 07:23 GMT
> I think I'm slower than the average bear, Jo. Thanks for making me feel like
> I'm not alone out here

Sadly, I'm a lot older emotionally/mentally than most of my peers. I've
lost a few friendships because of that. Having chronic illness has done
that to me, I think. I don't regret "growing up" so quickly in the past
two years, well, this past year mostly, but sometimes I want to just be
20 and have stupid reckless fun. On the flip side, I probably wouldn't
have the relationships I do right now if I hadn't grown up these past
couple of years.

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Nann Bell - 25 Apr 2005 21:18 GMT
> Sadly, I'm a lot older emotionally/mentally than most of my peers. I've
> lost a few friendships because of that. Having chronic illness has done
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> have the relationships I do right now if I hadn't grown up these past
> couple of years.

Curiously, I never *felt* older than my peers.  I mostly felt "out-of-step
with them, just plain weird! (ok, no comments from the peanut galery! LOL)  
Well, from the time I originally went off to college anyway.  It was when I
met my husband who is 12 years older than I that I began to be told I was
much more mature than others my age.  heehee, he told me I was more mature
than a lot of the women *his* age that he dated!

The really surprising part (to me) came this past winter when we got an email
group of a bunch of my high school buddies going.  We had a large, close,
multi-year group that were good friends in our high school band. It is still
the same group of quirky, diverse, sometimes counter-cultural, but still
mature, logical & rational people we were in high school.  I realize now how
being a part of that group set up really high standards for friendship in my
mind.  Thank goodness ASA came along to tide me over in the diverse,
tolerant, accepting friendship category!

(It was something when I was down in Florida.  Five of us got together for
lunch.  One person, with great reluctance, drug himself away to return to
work after a couple of hours.  The other 4 of us hung out and talked for 5
and a half hours! The old friendships were there immediately. we're all
looking forward to a planned reunion in August.)

Oh, but I got off track.  (big surprise there, huh?)  The funny (curious, not
ha-ha) thing Ashley, is that down the road, the early maturity will allow you
to take risks that your peers won't be able to.  It's something about having
to clarify what is really important to you and having to make serious choices
and decisions early on that helps you learn what you truly value earlier than
many folks do.  Then you are able to live you life as you want to rather than
as society expects you to.  I suspect you had a lot of that already, before
chronic illness, from what you've said in the past.  It just realy struck me
though, coming when I've re-connected with these old friends.  i realize now
that in many ways we were more mature than our peers back in high school,
thanks to the adults around us.  Now when I hear about the vaiety of
interesting lives folks have led and the ways people have re-invented
themselves throughout the years, I realize how much freer we've been as
adults because of that early maturing and clarifying of values.

You'll still find ways to be reckless, they'll just be your ways rather than
the crowd's ways.

your comments obviously got my mind wandering...........
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d'huit - 25 Apr 2005 08:23 GMT
> as for you being scared---ummm . . . did you really expect not to be?>
>
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> Love ya,
> Kelly C.

hey, sweetie, you are not alone in that boat.  i'm pretty sure you already
know that.  i think most of us thought life was gonna work out the way you
thought it would work.  i know i did.   and sometimes, i still do cuz i'm
kind of a bit cocky at times and i still have a bit left of an
innocent/naive streak that i try hard to hide (cuz i'm 57 years old, for
pete's sake!).   and i really do still leave the bathroom light on, and you
know what?  that's ok.  hear me?  that's ok.

yeah.  you're right.  it definitely is a crappy monster, kelly.  is it that
nothing has been "right, since" or that nothing has been "the same," since?
big difference, hon.  "right" doesn't have to be "the same" and change can
be very challenging to all our levels of awareness, even though it might be
what's right for us, even though we cannot necessarily know that immediately
and when we most feel the need to know that.

you know, butch was truly my very best friend, and of course my lover,
husband, helpmate, a fiercely independent man with incredible depth and
breadth, wisdom, compassion and people sense and what a delightful sense of
humor he possessed.   but there came a time when he let go of almost all
that he was and became childlike, vulnerable, needy and dependent for his
last few months---i want you to know that i don't mean that as insulting to
him in any way at all, as it was simply part of the stresses of his
recognizing his decline and of his dying process.

do you know what the toughest thing was, that i had to deal with, when butch
was so ill and dying?  it was facing the HUGE monster of my own need to not
make any mistakes, to be perfect, to be totally conscious of details (all
the nuanced details of how he was doing, feeling and so on), being on top of
everything, anticipating everything i could think of that "might or might
not" happen to him, trying so hard not to leave anything
overlooked/unnoticed, trying too hard, too hard to be everything "i thought"
he needed and wanted me to be for him, because he was depending on me  (he
told me he was depending on me and thanked me for letting him)---the
enormously crushing pressure i put upon myself was the biggest monster i've
ever had to face.

part of that monster was that i never felt adequate to the task, never felt
i ever "got there" (got a handle on it all nor on all of his needs), wasn't
confident, was definitely afraid that i wasn't good enough, wasn't smart
enough, wasn't doing enough nor doing things right or correctly.

and the monster got bigger and bigger with each of his new medical
complications, with each episode and trip to ER and each new indication that
he wasn't getting better, which to me meant i wasn't making anything better,
and that i was losing ground as he lost ground, and that i was failing him.
so, guilt was obviously part of that monster.

kelly, sweetie, it is impossible for any one person "to have it all
together, to be on top of all of it" and "to keep it all together", all of
the time and indefinitely, no matter how great the need is nor how much the
other person depends upon us and needs us (even hospitals have teams that
work together on individual cases).    that is such a difficult thing to
accept, when it is your child or somebody you love who is vulnerably
childlike.  it's especially hard when the voice in our head keeps telling us
there's more, more we can do, more we can know, more we can understand, more
we can work on or organize or prioritize, more we can be alert to, more we
can anticipate, more, more . . .
but, hon, sometimes, we just absolutely must trust that we've done the best
we could do, in that moment-----with the tools that we have, with what we
know, with what that particular moment gives us to deal with----and that's
what kills the monster.  trust.

i was blest in that alex was a pretty healthy kid growing up.  but, i knew
from the beginning (because i observed and read a lot) that there would
always be moments, (even with healthy kids), when i'd second guess myself,
feel a little guilty, inadequate and some of the rest of it.  and i knew
from the beginning, that i had to learn to trust myself and my instincts.
honestly, i thought i did ok, maybe not great, but ok with that, with alex.
but, i never, EVER, saw it coming with butch and truthfully, i was slammed
and blindsided by it all.  so, i can only imagine what you must be feeling,
kelly.  ((((((((((((((just because hugs))))))))))))

kate
Kelly Cobb - 25 Apr 2005 15:18 GMT
((((((Kate))))))

I could sit in a therapist's chair for years and never clean out this
particular closet!:o)  Somehow, it's okay, though because I know why. I've
always had this fiercely independent attitude and, no matter what happened,
I was going to take care of myself. The problem is that I had to expand my
circle to include first Brett, and then Rachel. The walls of a bubble get
thinner the bigger it gets.

When Rach was in the hospital Brett broke and admitted that he just couldn't
handle what was happening and was so glad that I was the 'tough one'. heh.
Yeah, right. I was numb with fear, but couldn't tell him that right then and
his mom kept saying how brave I was and what a good mom I was. I'd take a
shower and just cry. I realized that's how I've handled all my big
traumas...I withdraw. I go through the motions, do what needs to be done,
but I harden externally. I should have been a doctor.lol

Anyway, thanks for understanding and sharing your pain about Butch...I can't
even imagine that kind of pain, it would send me to the bin.

Kelly C.

> hey, sweetie, you are not alone in that boat.  i'm pretty sure you already
> know that.  i think most of us thought life was gonna work out the way you
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> kate
Duckie - 26 Apr 2005 04:42 GMT
Beautiful -- thanks for sharing all of that Kate.
Duckie

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Nann Bell - 25 Apr 2005 20:16 GMT
I think we all felt that way as kids, Kelly.  And the older we get, the more
we realize how deluded we were.  LOL  What really amazes me is how the adults
around us seemed so confident and knowledgable to us when we were kids when
we know realize how much they still didn't know.  I guess it's not so much
that we know it all as we get older but rather that we just know better about
how to navigate it all.

and we so want to have all the answers for those we love ........

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> Kelly C.
escrita@gmail.com - 25 Apr 2005 07:43 GMT
> Today marks two years since our journey with epilepsy began. I can't believe
> that 2 years could go by so fast, with me still feeling like it was just a
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> Kelly C.
Nann Bell - 25 Apr 2005 20:16 GMT
I can't believe it has been that long!  Now that I think about it, we were
still in Boston when this odyssey began for your family.  I can barely begin
to imagine what a delight it must be for all of you to have Rachel go so long
without a seizure, especially after those terrifying first months.  Got my
fingers crossed that all continues to go this well.

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Squirrely - 25 Apr 2005 21:57 GMT
Hey Kelly wishing the best outcome for this situation.

I am hoping she will be seizure free from now on out. Keep us posted to how
it is going.

Wishing the best for your whole family.

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Love and hugs to all
Good thoughts coming your way too.

Squirrely Jo

> Today marks two years since our journey with epilepsy began. I can't
> believe
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