Hi gang. I saw my ortho yesterday to check on my feet and discuss my knees.
The good news is that my feet are doing as well as they can. But as far as
my knees are concerned, he said the primary source of my pain was not the
torn and missing cartilage, but patella-femoral syndrome.
He also indicated that there is no effective treatment for it. He did say
that some orthos are replacing the patella, but that the success rate is
poor. He won't do it.
Now, the last thing I want is another surgery, but I was wondering if anyone
here had found anything else that helped?
Thanks!
Walt Hanks
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DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 22 Apr 2005 15:57 GMT
Haven't got a clue, but wanted you to know you had been read this morning.
Hope someone has an answer!
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> Hi gang. I saw my ortho yesterday to check on my feet and discuss my
> knees. The good news is that my feet are doing as well as they can. But
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> deprive one's self of the real joy of living.
> David O McKay, 1963
DiWitt - 22 Apr 2005 19:36 GMT
I found this on a website having a look for what this was:
"Patello femoral stress syndrome, "runner's knee" and chondromalacia are all
different names for the same type of pain: chronic pain behind or around
your kneecap that makes walking up and down stairs difficult."
I was diagnosed with this as Chondromalacia when I was in grad school in
Boston and riding my bike and walking a lot. They told me at Harvard's Free
Ortho Clinic that the best think for this was to have your quad muscles in
excellent shape as then your kneecap has less chance of floating. It was
described to me as the kneecap rubbing against the femoral bones. And it is
especially likely to rub in this misaligned way if you have wide hips and
loose muscles. Then the floating and misalignment make this rubbing more
likely. I was also told that once it rubbed to a certain amount it would
quit hurting because it would be rubbed off enough it wouldn't touch any
more. Not too scientific huh? But anyway, I did the quad exercises
religiously, got orthotics (also recommended) and wore them religiously and
it eventually quit bothering me for the next 10 years. That is until I had
RA dx and by then all bets were off! Stairs bother me and a Baker's Cyst in
that same knee that comes and go but that's about all.

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Hi gang. I saw my ortho yesterday to check on my feet and discuss my knees.
The good news is that my feet are doing as well as they can. But as far as
my knees are concerned, he said the primary source of my pain was not the
torn and missing cartilage, but patella-femoral syndrome.
He also indicated that there is no effective treatment for it. He did say
that some orthos are replacing the patella, but that the success rate is
poor. He won't do it.
Now, the last thing I want is another surgery, but I was wondering if anyone
here had found anything else that helped?
Thanks!
Walt Hanks
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The true purpose of life is the perfection of humanity through individual
effort, under the guidance of God's inspiration.
Real life is response to the best within us. To be alive only to appetite,
pleasure, pride, money-making, and not to goodness and kindness, purity and
love, poetry, music, flowers, stars, God and eternal hopes, is to deprive
one's self of the real joy of living.
David O McKay, 1963
d'huit - 22 Apr 2005 19:41 GMT
> Hi gang. I saw my ortho yesterday to check on my feet and discuss my
> knees. The good news is that my feet are doing as well as they can. But
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> Walt Hanks
hi walt! i know you said surgery is the last thing you want and i can't
blame you for that. i do have a friend of 30 years who when shaving his
kneecap didn't work, had the knee cap removed with no prosthetic replacement
and he's done quite well---though i still consider that a bit drastic.
i watched a u of w presentation, just last week, on atheletic injuries to
the knee. you're situation (patella-femoral syndrome, caused by one side
of the knee being weaker than the other) was one of them. simple, proper
alignment PT exercises (which conditioned the patient to be consciously
aware of leg-knee alignment) were recommended to strengthen the weakened
(anterior, i think it was) muscles that causes the mis-tracking of the
kneecap. so, i'm suggesting that you find a "sports injury specialist
physical therapist", to help you with your painful problem. it might help
you avoid surgery.
kate
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> The true purpose of life is the perfection of humanity through individual
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> deprive one's self of the real joy of living.
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Walt Hanks - 22 Apr 2005 19:58 GMT
> hi walt! i know you said surgery is the last thing you want and i can't
> blame you for that. i do have a friend of 30 years who when shaving his
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> kate
Thanks Kate & Diane. Unfortunately, I've been doing the quad exercises for
years. He didn't think PT was going to help this time. But I may try it
anyway.
Walt
Nann Bell - 22 Apr 2005 21:51 GMT
> Thanks Kate & Diane. Unfortunately, I've been doing the quad exercises for
> years. He didn't think PT was going to help this time. But I may try it
> anyway.
>
> Walt
As long as you have good coverage for PT, give it a shot. Can't hurt and
they might find some trick - all assuming you get good therapists of course.
now remember, just because a couple of things are feeling a bit better, you
don't have to go out and pick up more problems to replace them!
((((Walt)))))

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Adelle - 23 Apr 2005 02:50 GMT
>> hi walt! i know you said surgery is the last thing you want and i can't
>> blame you for that. i do have a friend of 30 years who when shaving his
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> Walt
Walt,
I had/have this. Mine is caused by the ligament on the outer part of the
knee being very tight, pulling the kneecap out of alignment. Not sure if
your knee being weak on one side is the same thing as one side being too
tight.
I saw a Dr. Johnson at Johns Hopkins (way back in 1986). He did an
arthroscopic procedure called a 'lateral release,' it was relatively new
then. Half inch incision in the side of the kneecap, but six inch vertical
incision in the ligament. Over the course of weeks, the kneecap could now
shift so that it tracks properly. Was on crutches for 3 months because the
joint was unstable. But it was the best thing. Went from pain w/every step
to being able to walk all over London on a vacation.
I know surgery is the last thing you want, but compared to the various
abdominal things I've had, this was a walk in the park. Went home two hours
after surgery.Was walking on crutches around the apt. from then on.
Adelle
Sunny52 - 22 Apr 2005 20:38 GMT
Hi Walt,
My daughter has just been diagnosed with patellofemoral syndrome, and
hypermobility syndrome. The Pedi Rheumie told us that she can control
this with physical therapy and lots of exercise. He said it's very
common with active young adults.
I know others have suggested PT, but thought I would share my
experience anyway.
Take care.
Bonnie
Duckie - 22 Apr 2005 22:57 GMT
Haven't got a clue either. You are suppose to have
something easy to fix. Now stop that. ;)
Duckie
> Hi gang. I saw my ortho yesterday to check on my feet and discuss my knees.
> The good news is that my feet are doing as well as they can. But as far as
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> one's self of the real joy of living.
> David O McKay, 1963

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Nicole H - 23 Apr 2005 05:44 GMT
I have this and so does my husband. There are some quad strengthening
exercises that help... and ice and motrin when flaring.
My husband and I were both diagnosed young.... myself around 9 yo and hubby
14
Nicole
> Hi gang. I saw my ortho yesterday to check on my feet and discuss my knees.
> The good news is that my feet are doing as well as they can. But as far as
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> one's self of the real joy of living.
> David O McKay, 1963
Squirrely - 25 Apr 2005 21:29 GMT
Walt,
Wishing you the best outcome which ever route you take. I hope all works out
great for you with the knees.

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Love and hugs to all
Good thoughts coming your way too.
Squirrely Jo
> Hi gang. I saw my ortho yesterday to check on my feet and discuss my
> knees. The good news is that my feet are doing as well as they can. But
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> deprive one's self of the real joy of living.
> David O McKay, 1963
Chris Goodwin - 27 Apr 2005 01:24 GMT
As far as PT goes, the replies have hit a lot of the basics. Exercises
including lateral leg stretching, inner thigh and medial quad strengthening,
joint conservation education, and patellar mobilization are helpful. Also,
check to see if you can find a PT familiar with McConnell taping. Very
useful for neuromuscular retraining to help your exercises to be more
effective.
Good luck!
Chris Goodwin PT, OCS
> Hi gang. I saw my ortho yesterday to check on my feet and discuss my
> knees. The good news is that my feet are doing as well as they can. But
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> deprive one's self of the real joy of living.
> David O McKay, 1963
Walt Hanks - 27 Apr 2005 10:46 GMT
> As far as PT goes, the replies have hit a lot of the basics. Exercises
> including lateral leg stretching, inner thigh and medial quad
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> Good luck!
> Chris Goodwin PT, OCS
Thank you for your reply. However, with the exception of the McConnell
taping, these are all things I have been doing for years. What do you
recommend when these aren't enough?
Walt
Walt Hanks - 27 Apr 2005 12:28 GMT
>> As far as PT goes, the replies have hit a lot of the basics. Exercises
>> including lateral leg stretching, inner thigh and medial quad
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> Walt
BTW, I should add that I also have torn lateral and medial menisci in my
right knee. I was scoped in 1991, but they were too deep and too old to
repair (football injury in 1974). At that time, the surgeon removed a lot
of debris and "smoothed off" the surface of the patella.
Walt
Nann Bell - 27 Apr 2005 20:23 GMT
> BTW, I should add that I also have torn lateral and medial menisci in my
> right knee. I was scoped in 1991, but they were too deep and too old to
> repair (football injury in 1974). At that time, the surgeon removed a lot
> of debris and "smoothed off" the surface of the patella.
>
> Walt
Walt, you just don't do anything the easy way, do you? Sometimes I'm just
amazed at how much your body has put up with and kept going. Says a lot
about who you are as a person. Hugs and prayers.....

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Harvey R. Stone - 28 Apr 2005 14:02 GMT
> Walt, you just don't do anything the easy way, do you? Sometimes I'm just
> amazed at how much your body has put up with and kept going. Says a lot
> about who you are as a person. Hugs and prayers.....
:-) I have thought the same thing many times and while being the
rock of the family for everyone else.
Harv