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Mary Z - 18 Apr 2005 19:45 GMT Seems like there are a few people applying for SSDI. Dr Susan (who is a Rheumatologist) used to post here quite regularly unfortunately she doesn't anymore but a few years back she posted this advice about ssdi and I thought it might be helpful to some of you.
From: Susan Hoch MD Subject: Re: Disability View: Complete Thread (125 articles)
Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis Date: 1998/01/01
Skipper, I am sorry to hear about your problem with SSI but not surprised. Many SSI applications are turned down initially; I tell my patients not to take it personally. Remember your application is being read by a clerk with a high school education, not by someone with medical training. They have a book in front of them, put out by the Social Security administration which lists by codes, the designated impairments. If your medical information matches the listed impairment and better yet, if you doc has the same book in front of him or her and uses the social security code for your disease, then it is more likely that you will get it on the first go round.
If you have rheumatoid arthritis, it is a listed impairment (I can;t give you the code right now because I'm at home and the guideline are in my office but you are welcome to e-mail me privately for this. For RA you need to have had the disease for more than 3 months with continued activity and need either a positive rheumatoid factor or an elevated sedimentation rate or a positive ANA or a biopsy of a nodule(the guidelines are a bit strange). So RA isn't a problem. Much more of a problem is back pain for example from disc disease because nerve root involvement as demonstrated on EMG must be demosntrated. Lupus is a problem because the guidelines are purposely vague describing frequent exacerbation without describing what frequent is. Lupus is almost always turned down initially but will win on appeal. Fibromyalgia is not a listed impairment so unless the patient has another problem such as depression and can get disability under mental illness, it is always an appeal case.
My recommentations for patients are as follows: 1. Make sure that your records get to the social security office. Make sure that all of your docs send them out. Even better, pick them up yourself, and hand deliver them (keep copies in case your file is lost). Remember, the clerk reading them is not going to follow up on Dr Jones" records that you indicated would be coming. It's your job to make sure all your documentation is there.
2. Look at the records yourself and make sure they say what you want them to say. For example, if you have back pain and nerve root involvement, make sure the notes say so, because if all your doc says is low back pain and he/she doesn't comment on the nerve involvement in his/her notes, it's a turndown. If you don't think your docs notes are adequate you have two choices: 1. ask your doctor to write a letter to social security indicating what impairment you have (and even better using the code) and how this impairment makes you disabled from your present job,
example: Mrs X.Y. developed rheumatoid arthritis involving her hands, wrists, knees, and ankles in March 1997. She was rheumatoid factor positive with a titer of 1:512 and had an elevated sedimentation rate of 55 mm/hr. Despite medical treatment, her disease continues to be active today, 9 months later. She previously worked as a secretary and has been unable to work at her occupation which requires extensive typing since July 5, 1997. In my medical and professional opinion, Mrs XY satisfies the Socia; Security Administration guidelines for disability due to her rheumatoid arthritis (code I think1.01 A and B - this code may not be right).
Trust me, this letter will help and if you are denied with such a letter in your file, a disability lawyer will love this letter because it will make his/her job easier.
2. If your doctor isn't going to support you and if his/her documentation isn't supportive, then, in my opinion, you need another doc.
3. Most important, if you are applying for disability, you cannot continue to work. This is the catch 22 of disability - you need to work for the income but you can't because you are disabled. You must stop working to be eligible for disability.
4. If you are fired because you could not do your job because of disability, you have several potential choices. One is, to go on unemployment. The problem with unemployment is that it assumes that you are ready and able to work should a job appear. If you are disabled, that is not going to be the case. If you can prove that you were fired because you could not do the job because of a federally recognized diabling condition (again RA, not fibromyalgia), then you may be able to sue and win under the American with Disabilities act. Many people don't want the hassle and don't want to deal with lawyers. I can understand that. However, it becomes sort of like polluters. If I can dump pollution in the river and no one stops me, I'll keep dumping. If a company can fire people because their disability alters what they can do in the workplace. they are going to keep doing it until someone slaps them in the pocketbook and in the media where it hurts. The final option, is that if you are fired and are disabled, go immediately to social security and begin the process since it may take up to a year.
5. Remember disability need not be the end. The same system that brings you disability has vocational rehabilitation. I have patients who couldn't work at certain jobs who are now getting further education, for example a secretary who is going to college, a waitress who is studying psycology to deal with drug addicted clients, a prison guard with lupus who is going back to college to study criminal justice. All of these patients now have income from social security, health insurance through social security and may someday be back in the work force and off social security.
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Carole - 11 May 2005 19:44 GMT Ok, I just got this LONG questionaire in the mail from SSDI. For those who have filed, it's the one where you have to tell them about your activities, whether you can cook, do housework, etc. etc. I'm not sure how to fill some of this stuff out. One of the questions is to tell them what I do from the time I get up to when I go to bed. And that basically depends on the day. I have days when I stay in bed most of the day as I have no energy at all, and on other days I can muster up enough energy to do a small grocery shopping, or go to rehab. Today is a non energy day and I'm going to be going to lie down after I type this. Sometimes if I take a nap, I wake up feeling better which I am hoping I do today as it's rehab day and we have our class. We have class once a week and today is on medications with the pharmacist. Since my doctor changed my meds recently, I'd like to go and get a more detailed explanation of what I'm taking.
Any help with the above or advice would be appreciated. You can either answer here or email me directly.
Thanks, Carole :)
Rosemarie Shiver - 11 May 2005 20:14 GMT So you put in just what you wrote here. On the form they give you every three years for renewal they ask about outdoor activities, such as gardening. Gardening? If I can walk to the mailbox and back that's a good day. Forget bending down or being on the ground. Be as honest as you can.
You can attach an additional page to give a longer explanation of your meds. if you wish.
They put a lot of weight on what the Dr. they send you to sez. So that's crucial...more crucial even than what you're writing now. Don't sweat the small stuffs. :-)
HTH!
Hugs from Rosie
 Signature "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself" -- Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II
> Ok, I just got this LONG questionaire in the mail from SSDI. For those > who have filed, it's the one where you have to tell them about your [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Thanks, > Carole :) Carole - 12 May 2005 03:26 GMT > So you put in just what you wrote here. On the form they give you every > three years for renewal they ask about outdoor activities, such as [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Hugs from Rosie Thanks, Rosie. And yes, walking to the mailbox IS a good day for me as I get out of breath very quickly. I don't think they'll send me to another doctor as that would mean doing another echocardiagram, which would be a waste of money on their part. What I have can only be diagnosed with a lot of tests, and my cardiologist will send them my test results. According to what I read on the net somewhere, if you have an ejection fraction of less than 30, you automatically qualify. Mine is in the low 20's.
Carole
Jo Firey - 12 May 2005 04:27 GMT >> So you put in just what you wrote here. On the form they give you >> every [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Carole While the heart problems alone should automatically qualify you, list all of the other medical problems you have as well.
Jo
Carole - 12 May 2005 07:17 GMT > While the heart problems alone should automatically qualify you, list all of > the other medical problems you have as well. > > Jo The only problem is that I haven't been to a doctor for my arthritis yet. I was going to make an appointment with one as soon as I got my medical benefits at work, and then all of this hit. So I have no documentation of anything but my heart problems.
Carole
d'huit - 14 May 2005 06:53 GMT >> So you put in just what you wrote here. On the form they give you >> every [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Carole pardon my nosiness and you don't have to answer at all, hon. are you being considered for heart surgery of any kind, by your cardiologist?
you're right, sweetie. ssdi won't send you to another doctor. they will simply review all the results of tests you've already had. you won't have any problems qualifying for ssdi right away. it's just a matter of you and them getting through the paper jungle. and do mention that mailbox thing you spoke of in this missive.
kate
Carole - 14 May 2005 17:03 GMT > pardon my nosiness and you don't have to answer at all, hon. are you being > considered for heart surgery of any kind, by your cardiologist? We have discussed it, but he wants to see if the medical regimen he has me on now will work. He said three things could happen: I could get a little better, I could stay the same, or I could get worse. If I get worse, I'd be looking at a heart transplant, which is not an option for me as I don't have that kind of money. So I'm hoping that I can get a little better or stay where I am now. It's not the life I'd choose as I've always been an active person, but it's better than the alternative :)
> you're right, sweetie. ssdi won't send you to another doctor. they will > simply review all the results of tests you've already had. you won't have > any problems qualifying for ssdi right away. it's just a matter of you and > them getting through the paper jungle. and do mention that mailbox thing > you spoke of in this missive. I will, Kate. I have to fill out this massive form over the weekend. I just have to get enough energy together to do it. The other thing that bothers me about going on ssdi is that once I leave my employer I also lose my medical coverage. And my prescriptions are MEGA expensive. The cost of all of them would come to about $250-300 a month. And on ssdi I wouldn't be able to afford them. I do get medical coupons from the state at this point, but I don't know if I'd still get that, and if that would cover at least some of the costs.
Carole
Ann - 14 May 2005 17:56 GMT Carole: I'm jumping in here to suggest that you apply for SSI as well as SSDI. You can get both and are often approved within 30 days for the SSI. If you get SSI you are approved for Medicaid and won't have to worry about waiting the two years to be eligible for Medicare under SSDI. Your local SS office can help you to apply.
When I first went to my local office to apply for SSDI, the woman suggested I apply for both. Unfortunately I was over the income limits (assets) for SSI so couldn't get it.
Ann
Carole - 14 May 2005 23:22 GMT > Carole: I'm jumping in here to suggest that you apply for SSI as well > as SSDI. You can get both and are often approved within 30 days for the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Ann Thanks, Ann. I did apply for both. They had me apply for SSI when I went to DSHS for help. And they told me to apply for SSDI, so I did. SS sent me a letter with the name of a man who is my SSI contact, so I'm waiting to hear from him. This may be a dumb question but does medicare pay for prescriptions?
Carole
d'huit - 15 May 2005 01:43 GMT >> Carole: I'm jumping in here to suggest that you apply for SSI as well >> as SSDI. You can get both and are often approved within 30 days for the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Carole not a dumb question at all. you'll need to have your ssdi caseworker go through the medi-care prescription plan choices with you. i'm not sure if that prescription plan has gone into effect yet, but i think it has. you should post this question on it's own separate thread, carole, so that others who are already on ssdi and medicare can see it and give you a better answer than i did.
kate
Carole - 15 May 2005 02:12 GMT > not a dumb question at all. you'll need to have your ssdi caseworker go > through the medi-care prescription plan choices with you. i'm not sure if [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > kate Ok, thanks Kate. I'll do that now :)
Carole
notmL - 11 May 2005 20:40 GMT >Ok, I just got this LONG questionaire in the mail from SSDI. For those >who have filed, it's the one where you have to tell them about your [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Any help with the above or advice would be appreciated. You can either >answer here or email me directly. I received tht too, as well as one asking complete detail of my workdays in each of my past jobs. They also sent a third-party one to my husbnd. It was pretty humiliating, but i gave the details of my difficulties in getting dressed and combing my hair and stuff, nd my husband was honest about my problems with cooking and sleeping and being depressed. I told him don't worry bout trying to be nice to me by sayying nice things, just be honest and i won't hold any of it against him. :-) I was also sent to a "mental status exam" with one of their doctors.
I got my denial letter last week. They said i could do my old job (even tho i'm still written up by my ortho on a Declaration of Impairment). I'm in the process now of securing an attorney to help with the appeal, i'm too stressed to do this stuff.
Good luck. They'll likely deny you even after all that work and honesty. i was warned, but it still felt like a shock.
Rosemarie Shiver - 11 May 2005 20:48 GMT FWIW I went and got an atty. right after I filed and I was approved the first time. The atty. did a LOT of work that I wouldn't have known to do.
Hugs from Rosie
 Signature "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself" -- Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II
> >Ok, I just got this LONG questionaire in the mail from SSDI. For those > >who have filed, it's the one where you have to tell them about your [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Good luck. They'll likely deny you even after all that work and honesty. > i was warned, but it still felt like a shock. Jo Firey - 11 May 2005 22:47 GMT > Ok, I just got this LONG questionaire in the mail from SSDI. For those who > have filed, it's the one where you have to tell them about your [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Thanks, > Carole :) As I best recall, my answer to that was close to the following.
Most nights, I don't sleep very well. I get up around 9 AM and take medicine for pain, and go back to bed until it starts to work. Then I get up, have a cup of coffee and look at the newspaper. I watch whatever is on TV till around two and then eat something.
The rest of the afternoon, I either watch TV or mess with the computer. Often I'll take a nap. Dinner time, either Charlie cooks something or we heat up something in the microwave. Maybe have a salad. Charlie does most of the grocery shopping.
In the evening, I'll read if my hands aren't too sore. Or watch more TV. I usually go to bed around 10 as it often takes me 12 hours to get 6 hours sleep.
I seldom go out. I don't hear well enough to talk to sales people in the stores or the waitstaff in a restaurant. If I do go anywhere, I prefer to have someone with me to help out with things I can't hear. I can't use the telephone.
There may have been more, as I had a list of all the things that are "wrong" with me and tried to address each of them in the narrative. (Asthma, Hearing loss, RA, GERD, IBS, )
It's funny, sometimes I think I'm not doing all that bad. I know my joints aren't nearly as bad as many people. So Arthritis hasn't taken all that much from me. Then I remember the things I could do before without even thinking about them. Like get up off the sofa. Walk or bike for miles. Go camping. Hear. Listen to music. Carry on a conversation. Read a book without my hands locking up.
Better go back into denial mode. It feels better. Tell myself I don't do anything much anymore cause I really don't want to.
For what it's worth, I did everything for the application myself, and was approved on the first try. But I've done detail work like that application all my life and found it almost overwhelming. I was so sure I was going to mess it up. Kept telling myself, I'm not afraid of the IRS. I deal with them all the time and know how to feed their computers the information they need. I shouldn't be afraid to deal with the SSA.
Jo
Carole - 12 May 2005 03:30 GMT > As I best recall, my answer to that was close to the following. > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Jo Thanks Jo :) I'm not afraid either as I have my test results to back me up. As my doctor said, they are what they are. So I'll have to just fill all this out to the best of my ability. One of my problems as a result of this is being able to concentrate on things. So it will probably take me a couple of days to get this done. It took me two days to fill out the online SSDI form.
Carole
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