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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / April 2005Doctors in Hell
I'm asking for a special place in Hell to be reserved for physicians where they must take their own medications while being told either: "this will make you feel great" OR "that's a normal reaction." May I ask what happened. debbie m. > I'm asking for a special place in Hell to be reserved for physicians > where they must take their own medications while being told either: > "this will make you feel great" OR "that's a normal reaction." Honestly, just the usual. Pissed about my mystery shot which 10 days later I've not recovered fully from. Yeah, alot of people here told me that I should have asked him what he was giving me before taking it. But first of all I would have taken it regardless of what it was and second I was scared witless of any one of the drugs I was going to have to take and since I worry enough and tend to imagine all kinds of things I wanted to be fair and know that whatever I was feeling was a real reaction and not fear. I've been dealing with doctors seriously (I mean beyond the normal flu, ear infection stuff) since 1999 and I have little respect for them as a group. I tend to assume that people with that much education, training and experience have a clue but I expect way too much...End of rant. tej...@yahoo.com wrote: > Honestly, just the usual. Pissed about my mystery shot which 10 days > later I've not recovered fully from. Yeah, alot of people here told me [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that much education, training and experience have a clue but I expect > way too much...End of rant. Awww, that's alright. We all rant. We have all run into (AT LEAST) one doc that needed to have a little window cut into their lower abdomens (so they could see where they going, what with having their head up their @ss). I understand wanting to have a doctor know what they are doing, but because I've had docs that are real hemorrhoids (i.e., pains in the butt) that cannot be excised... Well, let's just leave it at that. Eventually, you will find a doc that is as good as can be. Look at mine, how long did I suffer (and these lovely people in this group were GREAT at holding my pathetic hands)? I finally found mine (again), so yours *is* out there. Wonder how many I've offended with my post. If I have offended you, I am truly sorry (going back over in my mind some of the real winners I've dealt with medically just brings out the worst in me). Smokie Darling (Annie) - who kissed alot of frogs before finding her prince of an RD I'm am right there with you Annie. My worst one was a doc located at Mass General Hospital. Said when my sex life improved I would feel better. yep. sigh Duckie > tej...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Smokie Darling (Annie) - who kissed alot of frogs before finding her > prince of an RD  Signature_('> (_<_) _ _('< -quack (_<_) _ __('< *QUACK!* <_{__) _('< "|,,|_" (_<_) _('< "AFLAC!" (_<_) Actually I think I would feel better if my sex life improved. But not in a medical sense....That was a great one, I'll have to remember it!! I read a joke today: Q.What is the difference between God and a cardiac surgeon? A. God doesn't think he's a cardiac surgeon. rofl > Actually I think I would feel better if my sex life improved. But not > in a medical sense....That was a great one, I'll have to remember it!! > I read a joke today: Q.What is the difference between God and a cardiac > surgeon? > A. God doesn't think he's a cardiac surgeon. Signature_('> (_<_) _ _('< -quack (_<_) _ __('< *QUACK!* <_{__) _('< "|,,|_" (_<_) _('< "AFLAC!" (_<_) > I'm am right there with you Annie. My worst one was a doc located at > Mass General Hospital. Said when my sex life improved I would feel > better. yep. > sigh > Duckie Maybe he had the hots for you, Duckie :-))))) You know, someone from here asked me once if he was hitting on me. Frankly I was so stunned by what he said, if he was, I really missed it. With luck, it ruined his ego. Duckie > Maybe he had the hots for you, Duckie :-))))) Signature_('> (_<_) _ _('< -quack (_<_) _ __('< *QUACK!* <_{__) _('< "|,,|_" (_<_) _('< "AFLAC!" (_<_) Aww you wouldn't want to do that, would you?? LOL!!!!! ;-) > You know, someone from here asked me once if he was hitting on me. > Frankly I was so stunned by what he said, if he was, I really missed it. > With luck, it ruined his ego. > Duckie > >> Maybe he had the hots for you, Duckie :-))))) At this stage of my life, he'd be lucky I didn't slap him with a law suit. That was 20 years ago in my youth. ;) Duckie > Aww you wouldn't want to do that, would you?? LOL!!!!! ;-) > >> You know, someone from here asked me once if he was hitting on me. >> Frankly I was so stunned by what he said, if he was, I really missed >> it. With luck, it ruined his ego. >> Duckie > I'm am right there with you Annie. My worst one was a doc located at Mass > General Hospital. Said when my sex life improved I would feel better. yep. > sigh > Duckie bummer, kid. there are some real jackasses out there. and there definitely are some doctors that waaaay cross the line. my worst (aside from a god-complex surgeon) was when i was 28, pregnant and scared out of my wits (because i knew i had been told NOT to get pregnant for serious medical reasons and did, deliberately, anyway.) i had a real sicko for my first pre-natal ob-gyn, which caused me not to trust male doctors, especially foreign male physicians. part of this guy's idea of an ob-gyn exam was to "check to see" if an external part of vaginal female anatomy was "sensitive" to physical manipulation. then he laughed and had the nerve to ask if i had enjoyed it. i was beyond totally humiliated and furious. got up and out of there quick, before he was finished. then i asked his nurse about it and she said, "yeah, he has a lot of patients (from his own country of origin) who giggle about it." excuse me? not this kid. i still don't care if it may or may not have been a cultural thing. i didn't dare tell butch, because butch probably would have wound up in jail over it and already had enough to worry about. kate >> tej...@yahoo.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> Smokie Darling (Annie) - who kissed alot of frogs before finding her >> prince of an RD Now that jerk really did need a law suit stuffed down his throat. Wonder if you could check his record somehow and see if he ever got caught at it. ugh Duckie > bummer, kid. there are some real jackasses out there. > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] >>>Smokie Darling (Annie) - who kissed alot of frogs before finding her >>>prince of an RD Signature_('> (_<_) _ _('< -quack (_<_) _ __('< *QUACK!* <_{__) _('< "|,,|_" (_<_) _('< "AFLAC!" (_<_) > Now that jerk really did need a law suit stuffed down his throat. Wonder > if you could check his record somehow and see if he ever got caught at it. > ugh > Duckie i don't remember his first name anymore, just his last name. back then, he was close to my age now. so that would make him in his 70s or 80s now. i can't see how somebody else didn't report him for it---i mean, he was totally blatant about it and apparently did that kind of thing to most of his patients (according to his receptionist). i certainly would have reported him, had i not been pregnant and had i not already known i was in for a difficult time ahead physically. knew the stress of a law suit would not have helped my physical situation (had been through a law suit before then and it was very stressful)---didn't want to take on that additional risk factor, along with the complications that were predicted. the hospital did almost lose both alex and me at delivery. so i'm glad i didn't compound that by taking that creep on. i did have to go to that same medical building complex for an ivp about a year after alex was born and that "doctor" no longer had an office in that medical building. i figured and hoped that was because somebody did get his license revoked. the other part of it that totally shocked me was that his receptionist was american born. i couldn't understand how she just accepted his behavior towards his patients. that just totally blew me away. kate >> bummer, kid. there are some real jackasses out there. >> [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] >>>>Smokie Darling (Annie) - who kissed alot of frogs before finding her >>>>prince of an RD it was so long ago, that i realized/remembered it was his receptionist and not his nurse i asked about it. he didn't have a nurse in his office. kate >> Now that jerk really did need a law suit stuffed down his throat. Wonder >> if you could check his record somehow and see if he ever got caught at [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] >>>>>Smokie Darling (Annie) - who kissed alot of frogs before finding her >>>>>prince of an RD > it was so long ago, that i realized/remembered it was his receptionist and > not his nurse i asked about it. he didn't have a nurse in his office. > > kate no, somehow I suspect a nurse would have had more objections to his behavior (though no doubt he COULD have found one who would have gone along with it - there are lots of fools in every profession) and now we know why the standard is always to have a female in the room during an ob/gyn exam.......... SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare I can't understand that either. Well, at that age, he is either dead or within 20 years of it. He will get to a final court and he won't be able to laugh his way out of that one. Duckie > ...the other part of it that totally shocked me was that his receptionist was > american born. i couldn't understand how she just accepted his behavior > towards his patients. that just totally blew me away. > > kate > tej...@yahoo.com wrote: >> Honestly, just the usual. Pissed about my mystery shot which 10 days [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Smokie Darling (Annie) - who kissed alot of frogs before finding her > prince of an RD offended? not me. kate > Honestly, just the usual. Pissed about my mystery shot which 10 days > later I've not recovered fully from. Yeah, alot of people here told me [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that much education, training and experience have a clue but I expect > way too much...End of rant. You are most entitled to your rant. I've been much luckier in my doctors, especially the current collection. They have all gone out of their way to accommodate my hearing loss and to acknowledge that I'm at least a full partner in my medical care. When I have had problems with doctors attitudes (usually surgeons,) I remind myself of how they have to spend their young adult years. They are so immersed in their studies and training and have so little time of their own that I amazed that they manage to develop the social skills they do have. There is one local doctor that is pretty much infamous for his lack of such social skills. I can't even stand to be in the same room with him. Funny thing is he is otherwise an excellent doctor. I've told Charlie I'd trust him with my life. But only if I was unconscious. Jo I have a great collection of doctors. Especially my RA doctor. (He also takes care of my mother who is pretty deaf and can worry herself sick about everything. She loves him which in itself shows what a patient, wonderful man he is.) He's up-to-date with all the latest information and shares that information. He listens to me and my concerns. On the other hand when I interviewed two highly qualified surgeons in Boston for my TKR, one at NE Baptist and the other at Brigham & Womens. Boy what a difference. The doctor from NE Baptist was arrogant, disdainful and evasive. Needless to say in June I'm getting my knee done at Brigham & Womens. We have many qualified doctors in Boston to choose from. With RA you can't be sure you'll recover quickly, I'd have hated the thought of having to deal with this guy if I needed additional services. I'm an accountant, I provide specialized services, I am patient and professional. I the patient employ the doctor for his specialized services. He/she should be patient and professional. I find it inexcusable if they are arrogant or impatient, and I will not employ them. Elizabeth Duckie - You should have heard what a doctor said to my husband when he was diagnosed with prostate cancer. We found someone else. He had radiation seed therapy three years ago, and is doing really well. > I'm an accountant, I provide specialized services, I am patient and > professional. I the patient employ the doctor for his specialized > services. He/she should be patient and professional. I find it > inexcusable if they are arrogant or impatient, and I will not employ > them. Amen to that one, Elizabeth. When my Mom was dying, her doctor was the pits. I got so annoyed with him. He was one of those doctors who use HUGE words knowing full well you have no idea what he's talking about. I finally found a nurse on my Mom's floor who was very understanding (she didn't like this doctor either or so I gathered from the way she spoke :) and she was an absolute blessing! Carole > I tend to assume that people with > that much education, training and experience have a clue but I expect > way too much...End of rant. Heh, that last line struck me as funny. Probably because I worked for years in a teaching hospital and saw a wide range of competence. Heck, I saw some docs fresh out of med school who were better physicians than some with years of experience, and I saw one doc who was forced out after repeating his internship year (he was scarey). And I learned that a lot of it has to do with the individual's personality. They were all *smart* enough, but varied greatly in how invested they were in people and in truly helping them feel better, i.e. in how much CARE they really wanted to put into their patient care. And I know one brilliant pathologist who had the sense to know she had no bedside manner and no interest in dealing with the whole patient, so chose a specialty where she does much good. just rambling here.............. SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare > Honestly, just the usual. Pissed about my mystery shot which 10 days > later I've not recovered fully from. Yeah, alot of people here told me [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that much education, training and experience have a clue but I expect > way too much...End of rant. i hear you, hon. (((((((((hugs))))))))) i think for me, i tend to get angrier at myself for allowing myself to be put into or for putting myself into some of the predicaments i wound up in, with the bad doctors, i mean. fact is, there really are times when i just want to be able to trust doctors, without the brain drain and energy depletion i generally go through. sometimes, i just hurt that much and focus is a difficult commodity to find in myself. trust is easier for me, at those times, but not necessarily wiser. kate > I'm asking for a special place in Hell to be reserved for physicians > where they must take their own medications while being told either: > "this will make you feel great" OR "that's a normal reaction." as a beloved, and MIA, member of this group often reminds us "someone had to graduate at the bottom of the class" (maybe we should add the people who graduated these docs to the list for that special place in Hell....) (and has anyone heard from Char recently?) I'm VERY picky about my docs for that reason. Had to stick with one semi-loser for several months due to complicated life issues, but otherwise I fire 'em if they're losers. Life is too short to deal with bozo doctors. And when you do find a good one, it is such a joy. SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare |
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