on april fool's day (i suppose that date should have triggered an internal
warning system of some kind within me), i had my first thoracic epidural.
that appointment didn't go exactly as i expected it to, because i had
already completed the lumbar series of epidurals and thought this too would
be, "no sweat; and maybe, a continuation of great results". that appoinment
began with dr. alex beginning it with a consult, unlike the last injection
series. i thought that was odd, but hey, i was already there.
i was taken to his office and told dr. alex would be with me shortly. there
were four high-backed, rolling leather chairs for me to choose from. i
chose the one next to and on the left side of his desk. while seated, i
couldn't help noticing two opposite and adjacent walls full of framed
degrees, certifications and licenses.
i thought, "w0w. all the doctors in this pain clinic hang their authority
on these painted walls." curious about the other doctors in this clinic, i
rose to check out who they were, what they knew and where they had been,
from these dozens of framed documents, which were from dartmouth, cornell,
yale, and the university of california medical schools and lots of specialty
documents. i was a bit stunned to discover that all of these documents
belonged to only one doctor, mine.
i sat back down to wait for the doctor, thinking the particular chair i'd
chosen was making me uncomfortable. so, i got up and rearranged the
furniture, selecting and moving the leather chair i felt most comfortable
in, so that my short legs would touch the floor and not pull on my lower
back. yeah, i know, a bit nervy of me, but hey, it's my back and the chair
i needed was against an opposite wall.
shortly after i had done that, my doctor entered his office. i could tell
from his facial expression that he had some serious stuff on his mind, and
it made me a little nervous (as if i hadn't already been that morning,
because i always am in medical venues). so, i told him he had very nice and
very expensive wallpaper, excellent taste.
he laughed and it cut the ice for both of us. he said, one day, he might
take the time to figure out what that wallpaper cost by the square inch of
each degree. i laughed and said i didn't know anyone who'd done that
before, and that it might be an interesting exercise.
he told me he studied my MRI films more than once since he received them,
because the report bothered him a lot. it turns out the MRI report on my
thoracic spine was in error and inadequate. he said that was because "most
radiologists do not know what the doctor who orders them is looking for and
most radiologists are nihilists"; asked me if i knew what the word
"nihilist" meant. (i'm still laughing about that, because i must have had
the blank look of a dullard on my face and wonder if i had drooled, while
patiently waiting for the first shoe to drop.) he said they were especially
nihilistic when it came to thoracic spine films, because radiologists know
little is done by doctors about thoracic problems. so, radiologists treat
the evidence as if it were of no importance or simply didn't exist. he
said, the report was misleading, because much more needed to be reported
than was. he told me there was nothing mild or moderate enough about my
thoracic spine to have ignored so much information, as was done by the
radiologist in the report about my thoracic spine. i felt a fuzzy,
hard-soled slipper land on a tender spot.
towards the end of that revelation, he said that he was going to re-write
part of the thoracic MRI report as addendums to it, because he felt my rd
and my pcp needed to know they are dealing with very advanced degenerative
disease, "because of the amount of unrepairable damage in your thoracic
spine and the amount of pain you must be feeling." yes. he did indeed say
"unrepairable". reinforcing that, he said that there is nothing that can be
done, currently, with today's medical knowledge to repair or correct the
damage, because of where it is located. he mentioned that if it had been
lumbar or cervical damage to that extent, they could and would do surgery,
but the damage is too close to my spinal cord. ouch! "buzzzzzz---zap!"
the fuzzy slipper turned into a lead boot that struck my chest, which
somehow numbed my brain. i sucked air, because of the impact.
next shoe . . .
then he told me that he needed to inform me that there are increased risks
with this particular thoracic epidural, because of my spinal cord being
right there. wanted me to know that sometimes there are complications.
said it's not as safe a procedure as the lower lumbar injections where there
is no spinal cord. (the second fuzzy slipper landed) but, he said he knew
how to safely do it; had done more than two thousand of these same kind of
procedures; does a hundred or more a year; and the real time imaging
equipment minimizes risk of mistakes and complications. said he couldn't
guarantee it will relieve me of all or most of my pain, but there was a good
chance it would at least help with some of it, based on my wonderful lumbar
response (which had been what i was thinking). he felt the risk was
warranted, justified and had good potential. and then, he said, "you need
to know, i can't use anesthetic that close to your spinal cord, because of
the risks, but i can keep you comfortable on the way down to the area we
need to get to with the steroid." meaning, one has to be awake, aware and
have no pain pills in one's system, because one needs to give the doctor
doing the procedure feed-back about his stimulating pain that he must not
numb that close to one's spinal cord. the second slipper de-fuzzed and
morphed to match it's mate. i swear i heard a "thunk!" that time. my
brain hurt.
so, i asked him if i could have a couple of minutes. and he left me alone a
few minutes in his office. i told myself to ignore the first boot and deal
with and process the second one. i set my things down on his desk, grabbed
the arms of the chair and slid out of my shoes. i wanted to feel something
that didn't seem surreal, like the floor under my feet. in the short time
it took for me to consider the status quo versus possibility, i eventually
surrendered to hope and went for the procedure. i knew i did and do trust
him completely.
that procedure went well and had good results--no back spasms, so far for
the first ten days of eleven, which are generally a daily occurrance for me.
the spasms are much milder now and my meds are handling discomfort better.
sneezing or coughing didn't cause any pain or that pain cause muscle spasms
until yesterday and that's been worth it. BUT (and here comes the wussy
part), ohhhh myyyy, there definitely IS a sense of an element of
self-inflicted pain to this thoracic procedure, during the time and in the
area he cannot use anesthetic. one dasn't move a hair during that time, and
must accept and allow, even though it feels sooooo counter to one's
impulses.
sooo, i'm sitting here, "looking forward to" (not) tomorrow's challenging
rerun, thinking . . . i really like the "run" part of that word. i know i
won't run, but i have to confess, it IS more than just a little appealing.
kate
Jo Firey - 11 Apr 2005 18:47 GMT
Somehow I don't think you are the only wuss here.
Anyone else have the experience in mid procedure of thinking "I cannot
believe I'm actually allowing someone to do this to me! Or worse yet, "I
cannot believe I volunteered for this? or even begged for this?"
Concentrate on the benefits and on how grateful you are to have an
experienced doctor you trust. And I'll pitch in some prayers for an
excellent outcome.
Jo
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Harvey R. Stone - 11 Apr 2005 19:38 GMT
> Somehow I don't think you are the only wuss here.
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> Jo
And so will I.
harv
RhondaM - 11 Apr 2005 19:29 GMT
wow... wallpaper was that expensive?? Joking here.
That's allot to swallow for one appointment. I am not sure what to say
because I know nothing about spine stuff. I can offer you support and
friendship though and well wishes. Is there anything I can do?
Keep us informed and I will be checking in to see how you are doing.
((((((((((((((Kate)))))))))))))))))))))
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Diane - 11 Apr 2005 20:28 GMT
kate, you are very brave. i like that you have a doc who tells it like
it is, even if that's not the greatest news. i also like a doc with
self confidence that is not arrogance. and expensive wallpaper doesn't
hurt.
hugs for you. i hope tomorrow goes smoothly.
love you, sweetie,
diane
Harvey R. Stone - 11 Apr 2005 19:37 GMT
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Ooooh, It is a pleasure to read and see your mind at work. I know you
enjoyed the give and take with an honest doctor with the mental wherewithal
to tell you how it is and how the cow ate the cabbage and let you decide
what to do knowing exactly what your chances are ,,,,, knowing that you are
going to have to deal with your fears as much as THE FACTS set before you.
Like you,,,,, I could let this person do the best he could to help you with
your problems.
Good luck with it all and thank you for laying it all out here for people to
help themselves with your life,,,, your decisions,,,,,.........
You are such a blessing to ASA and your family.
Harv
DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 11 Apr 2005 20:49 GMT
{{{Kate}}} How awful/wonderful for you. Honey, I sure hope the treatments
work well for you and that you can live without such pain every day.
Hugs, DeeTee
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Newsgroup Spambuster - 11 Apr 2005 21:29 GMT
Kate, my friend, you are about as far from being a wuss or a sissy of
anyone I can think of! You don't even come close!!!
I think anyone in your place would be a bit apprehensive and more than a
little nervous or scared. I sure would be.
But, I am sooooo happy that you have a great doctor who takes things
seriously, who talkes it all through openly with his patients, who is
willing to give you options, and who can be totally honest with his
patients! You were wise to ask for time to process everything a bit and
even now I certainly understand your apprehension.
Like the others, I will be sending out tons of prayers to you and hoping
you get the absolute best possible results from these injections!!!
Keep us posted and while doing the procedure concentrate hard and you
will feel some of us right there with you holding your hands!!!
Hugs, dear one!
Donna G
Marmartoo - 11 Apr 2005 22:28 GMT
Kate, I must say that you and your doctors keep things interesting.
Always wonder what's up next! Since the epidurals this time aren't as
easy as the first ones, I pray they will really work well and give you
the relief you so badly need. Dr. Alex is a good doctor to take the
time to add to (correct) the MRI report, and to give you all the
information he provided so you could consider what you really wanted to
do. You are blessed to have him. I'll be praying for the procedures
and for the most wonderful results that can be obtained.
Love, Gwen
Carole - 12 Apr 2005 01:00 GMT
Kate,
Trust me on this one - Being a wuss is OK. I am on too! I can't even
deal with a blood test, so doing what you are doing, they'd have to
knock me out completely or tie me down!
Here's a BIG HUG! You have a lot of courage!
Hugs,
Carole
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Skip - 12 Apr 2005 01:23 GMT
I love the "teensy bit of wuss" part (grin)
There's nothing wussy about choosing not to run away, about choosing to lie
still through that procedure.
I call that strength.
Lots of careful hugs
Skip
Kelly Cobb - 12 Apr 2005 02:16 GMT
I think you are very brave and I love the way your mind works!
Hugs,
Kelly C.
Adelle - 12 Apr 2005 04:21 GMT
Wuss is not exactly the right word.
Persistent. Courageous. Pragmatic. Moderate (as in weighting the impact of
things carefully and not being reactionary). Give me a while and we'll see
what others crop up.
You done amazingly, kiddo. Three cheers for you!
Adelle
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Don W - 12 Apr 2005 10:35 GMT
Kate,
I was sorry to read your post with the fact that your thoracic spine
damage is not operable. I don't know if a second opinion might help
give you peace of mind knowing that more than one doctor has reached the
same conclusion. Good luck with your injection. I have my first ever
cervical spinal steroid epidural injection this Friday.
Thinking and praying for you.. hang in there.
Don W
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d'huit - 14 Apr 2005 00:02 GMT
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thank you, don. i haven't had a cervical epidural, but i know there is at
least one person on this group who has. perhaps, she'll step up if you post
about it in a separate thread. personally, i would suggest you take the
muscle relaxant sedation, especially for your first procedure, generally a
series of 3. i suggest you insist upon it, in fact. then if you think you
can "john wayne" it without it, that's a whole different story.
i'm not sure if a second opinion would help me or not, don, but i will ask
my pcp if she thinks it's a good idea to refer me for one. i know my
neurologist gave me a choice of surgery or epidurals for my lumbar L5-S1,
but skipped saying anything about my thoracic spine, nada. that might have
had something to do with the radiologist's inadequate report, but i know my
neuro looked at all of the films with me. i watched him carefully as he
focused strongly on my thoracic spine films, but he didn't say a word, not
one word, about it and dismissed my question about what he was looking at in
them. instead, he commented on the condition of my neck and lower back. he
might be a tad nihilistic (skeptically pessimistic or pessimistically
skeptical) about thoracic spine degeneration too. i'm guessing he is, but i
dunno for certain.
kate
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d'huit - 14 Apr 2005 00:04 GMT
oopsies. i meant to also wish the very best of luck and the best possible
outcome with your cervical injection this friday, don.
kate
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d'huit - 12 Apr 2005 16:04 GMT
boy, you guys! you are all so dear and so generously kind, i just don't
know what to say. it's a way sweet feeling.
thank you.
kate
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jb - 13 Apr 2005 03:53 GMT
prayers coming for you Kate
and you are not a wuss!!
janice
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