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mnpmail@verizon.net - 09 Apr 2005 02:43 GMT I just came off a 10 day fast. During the fast I used the Master Cleanser which is known as the Lemonade Diet. After having RA for 10 years I have never felt so good. I was actually able to go off Pred and DayPro, my only drugs, during this period. Once I broke my fast though I have felt HORRIBLE. I have only had 4 granny smith apples and a bowl of homemade vegetable soup.
Has anyone had this experience after fasting for an extended period? If so did this drive you to ask your RD for other tests such as allergy testing or something else I may not be aware of?
If I knew I would hurt again I would have continued starving :)
Shandi
Duckie - 09 Apr 2005 06:30 GMT In my experience, nothing I put in my mouth food related makes any difference to how I feel. I am guessing that the withdrawal from your drugs is now flaring for you and that would have happened whether you were fasting or not. I hope your doctor knows what you did and sanctioned the cessation of your drugs. It is not a wise thing to do on your own. Duckie
> I just came off a 10 day fast. During the fast I used the Master Cleanser > which is known as the Lemonade Diet. After having RA for 10 years I have [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Shandi
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mnpmail@verizon.net - 09 Apr 2005 14:50 GMT Thank you Duckie for your reply and concern on the medication.
Regarding my medication the doctor was aware of the cessation. I am on a low dose of pred, 3-4 mg and use DayPro. I also have a high pain tolerance that doctors tell me keep me on low dose medications.
My joints did not click, they did not ache when I was fasting and they did that on the medication. Not that I was doing a jig or feeling normal but the pain was drastically reduced when I was not eating and when I was not on medications.
I am sure there has to be some sort of phenonmenon here. Some sort of link, whether it be increased acidic intake, altered body pH, allergies, just something. There are foods that make me flare such as tomatoes and salty items. I attribute the salty items to the increase water retention.
Shandi
> In my experience, nothing I put in my mouth food related makes any > difference to how I feel. I am guessing that the withdrawal from your [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> Shandi Duckie - 10 Apr 2005 00:32 GMT Someone give her a link to the foods that sometimes bother people. If you find tomatoes bother you, then eggplant and potatoes fit the bill as well. I found when in China for a month, I didn't hurt. Neither did my MIL and all we could figure that was missing from our diet was milk products. Glad your doctor was on board. Duckie
> Thank you Duckie for your reply and concern on the medication. > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>> >>>Shandi
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tejoyo@yahoo.com - 09 Apr 2005 19:14 GMT Shandi, I am new to all this but have probably read more about RA than most medical students. I also have another autoimmune illness. You may very well have allergies and removing them from your diet would cause you to feel better but since you did not add each food back to your diet one by one then you can't know which allergies you may have-if you suspect allergies why don't you go to a doctor and have it checked out? Also your body is not cooperating with itself and doing extreme things to it like starving simply add to the physical stress and can cause all sorts of problems. If you have RA why are you only on Pred and DayPro, why are you not on an immunosupressant or biologic? I am not at all being critical, I am just concerned that what you're doing may not be the best thing for you. I know you will get other responses and if people sound harsh it isn't meant that way-it's real concern.
> I just came off a 10 day fast. During the fast I used the Master Cleanser > which is known as the Lemonade Diet. After having RA for 10 years I have [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Shandi mnpmail@verizon.net - 09 Apr 2005 21:02 GMT I have been on DMARD type drugs as well as the new designer drugs. I have tried Plaquenil, MTX, Arava, Remicade, Enbrel, Kineret and probably a few others that are lost among my list of total medicine. Plaquenil, Enbrel, Kineret didn't control anything, MTX, Arava and Remicade had horrible side effects. I cannot be on Humira due to allergies.
I have been on Darvocet, Relafen, Vioxx, Naprosyn, Mobic. I am not able to take Celebrex and Bextra due to allergy.
After you fail so many drugs you have to try things as you sit and wait for the next thing. Yes, I have tried multiple combinations of these drugs. I have had 5 RDs. I have had 3 orthos. I have had 2 internists.
I understand why people would be upset by something like fasting. It isn't traditional. But obviously traditional isn't cutting it for me. I won't get upset about people who don't agree with it either. It was OKed by my doctor so I have no reason to feel defensive about anything. Perhaps if people get upset they can yell at my doctors for me. Apparently my complaining isn't helping ;)
Shandi
> Shandi, > I am new to all this but have probably read more about RA than most [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >> Shandi tejoyo@yahoo.com - 10 Apr 2005 00:06 GMT I'm sorry you're in the situation you're in. I've been in some hellish medical spots too so I can relate. The thing is that you must find a doctor who can help. I went to 17 doctors before I found my endo and he fixed 10 years of suffering. I found him on the Internet, he was recommend by many patients. You can't give up on finding a doctor. I am not trying to make you feel defensive and if you are feeling better, great. Just please keep looking for a good rheumatologist-find out who's the best. You will be in my thoughts and prayers.
mudboy - 10 Apr 2005 00:09 GMT I have. Back in 2001, I fasted for 3 days and everything got better. After the positive change in health, I began eating 2 meals a day and cut out all snacking in between meals. I don't deprive myself of anything, I just won't abuse food anymore. I haven't changed anything since. This is not a cure but it sure makes life tolerable.
>I just came off a 10 day fast. During the fast I used the Master Cleanser >which is known as the Lemonade Diet. After having RA for 10 years I have [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Shandi d'huit - 11 Apr 2005 07:39 GMT >I just came off a 10 day fast. During the fast I used the Master Cleanser >which is known as the Lemonade Diet. After having RA for 10 years I have [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Shandi ummm . . . yes, i've done long fasts, but not for therapudic or health reasons. no. i don't have RA; do have oa and assorted other arthritic "goodies". yes. fasts have made me feel better. however, that didn't last long. some long fasts can actually cause a form of physical and mental euphoria that is delusional---not saying that happened to you.
fasting for long periods really is a shock to (and stresses) your system and your body will need to be gently readjusted to eating again. that readjustment can be painful, depending upon how long you've fasted and what foods you reintroduce suddenly. four apple skins are a bit harsh to reintroduce in such quantity and so soon after a ten-day fast. the vegetable soup, depending upon what was in it and how soft the veggies were, was a good choice. when reintroducing foods, one needs to think in terms of baby food introduction---soft, bland, little bits at a time. think many tiny meals. nibble your way back.
if you suspect food allergies, why not have that checked out by an allergist or ENT? however, if you do have RA (or any other form of arthritis evident in radiological imaging), discovering which food allergies you have, that you will avoid as a result, will help you feel better, but won't reverse extant arthritic damage, nor will it slow the progression of the underlying disease.
i've yet to see solid medical research that indicates food allergies cause arthritis. but, yes, food allergies can make you feel awful, in addition to arthritic flare ups simultaneously. food allergies can stress your body, the stress of which might (or might not) promote/trigger the onset of an arthritic flare (as does a fast stress your body and might or might not promote an arthritic flare). but those are two separate things going on and only related by body stress, not linked such as, 'food allergies cause arthritis', which you didn't indicate you thought.
still, you will feel better if you eliminate allergens. i say call an ent, or get a referral to one, and find out if you have food allergies. eliminate that body stress, if that's something you can do. eliminating anything that stresses your body or you, period, is a good thing for arthritis.
kate (now, where did i put that darn lottery check? my bill payer needs to pay my housekeeper, laundress, tax accountant, handyman, butler and gardener. i want to be stress free!<smile> oh! i forgot. that was in a different incarnation, wasn't it.)
Harvey R. Stone - 11 Apr 2005 14:04 GMT :-) Well said and thought out. Harv
> ummm . . . yes, i've done long fasts, but not for therapudic or health > reasons. no. i don't have RA; do have oa and assorted other arthritic [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > i want to be stress free!<smile> oh! i forgot. that was in a different > incarnation, wasn't it.)
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