Hi, me again. Mom had her laminectomy a few weeks ago, and it seemed
pretty successful at the time. Now that we're cutting down on the
long-time pain meds, she's had a pain in her leg, and has been
diagnosed with a knee joint worn to the bone, and with a thigh muscle
locked up in a tensed position. The physical therapist is trying to
loosen it up, so far without success.
Any advice on this sort of thing?
Thanks.
J.
Jan Hall - 17 Mar 2005 08:01 GMT
JXStern, before both of my knee joints were replaced, I'd wrap them with
several ace bandage (the ones with Velcro & start the wrapping away from the
heart) It supports the knee and immobilizes it a bit. Also before each knee
replacement surgery, I had my husband layer 2 applications of capsasian
ointment until my skin burned more than my knee. Not recommended by doctors
to sleep with ace wraps on, except after surgery -- surgery area swells. I
nearly waited too long to get the knees replaced: hairline bone fractures
and bleeding. I used to sweat, hyperventilate and scream in getting up from
sitting.
The thigh muscle pain sounds like a static convulsion, which jams the knee
bones together causing even more pain. She might try putting a bag of frozen
peas on the muscle, and then warm compresses, then the frozen peas again,
repeating. The pain feeds back on itself and the brain can be fooled into
not feeding the pain by making the muscle feel something almost a strong as
the pain. Be careful of frostbite, though. Jan2 [not Jan]
> Hi, me again. Mom had her laminectomy a few weeks ago, and it seemed
> pretty successful at the time. Now that we're cutting down on the
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Nann Bell - 17 Mar 2005 16:08 GMT
maybe massage would help loosen up the muscles some so PT could build on it?
And using heat packs on it at home?
Are they doing anything so that walking on that knee doesn't further
aggravate the thigh muscle in between appointments? bracing or I don't know
what else. PT folks should know what's best in her case. But I gotta think
the knee situation isn't helping the thigh muscle any.

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Adelle - 17 Mar 2005 17:59 GMT
> Hi, me again. Mom had her laminectomy a few weeks ago, and it seemed
> pretty successful at the time. Now that we're cutting down on the
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> Any advice on this sort of thing?
I had muscle spasms in my back that wouldn't release except using trigger
point therapy, once by Massage therapist, and once using
electro-stimulation.
The massage one was a fairly painful experience, but afterward I was
blissfully like jello. The electro-stim wasn't as deeply relaxing and is
kind of creepy feeling, but definitely helped.
I have just ordered an exercise foam roller (6 inch round, not half tube, by
36 inches) on the advice of a cousin who is a professor in exercise
physiology. You can use them at home for trigger point therapy. That entails
laying on your tummy on the floor with the tube under the quad muscle. You
start just above the knee (elbows propping you up). When the pain from the
pressure eases up about half-way, you roll slightly to get about an inch
more of the quad. Continue slowly up the quad until you reach the hip.
He actually told me to do it on all four sides of each leg, if I could stand
it, to equalize the muscles all around the leg. When only one is tighter
than the other, it reeks havoc with the joints.
He also warned me it would be very painful each time I did it until the
muscle stopped spasming. And that it could take months to get to that point.
But he also promised that in the long run, it would be worth it.
His wife used this technique to help her as she prepared for the San
Francisco Marathon while rehabbing a strained knee. She ran her best time
ever (about 3:45) with no exacerbation of the knee. In fact, while other
runners were hobbling for days after, she said she only had about 36 hours
of discomfort after the race.
Yeah, I know - they are athletes, we are gimps. Not sure what your mom can
manage, given health, strength and age.But I'm trying it because I already
know what the trigger point pain feels like, and the muscle spasm is fairly
painful in itself and affecting both knee and hip. I'm relatively young, and
at least there is some hope of less pain long term.
Good luck!
Adelle
Caroline Marold - 17 Mar 2005 18:22 GMT
I roll around on a tennis ball in my bed. Means I don't
have to get down on the floor which sometimes would be
impossible.
Just a note; if the muscle is really in bad knots this
is going to hurt badly [understated] but it will ease
and then you can relax on to the spot. I have even
woken up asleep on that tennis ball. If she has a low
pain threshold it will be hard to convince her that it
will be worth it in the end.
Could maybe an acupuncturist help the same thing with
no pain? Worth asking. A good acupuncturist will tell
you no if they can't help.
Duckie
>>Hi, me again. Mom had her laminectomy a few weeks ago, and it seemed
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JXStern - 18 Mar 2005 06:27 GMT
>Could maybe an acupuncturist help the same thing with
>no pain? Worth asking. A good acupuncturist will tell
>you no if they can't help.
Thanks to all for the feedback.
What causes these things?
I'm concerned that it could be a side-effect either of the surgery, or
of the underlying spinal conditions.
J.
Adelle - 18 Mar 2005 14:16 GMT
>>Could maybe an acupuncturist help the same thing with
>>no pain? Worth asking. A good acupuncturist will tell
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> I'm concerned that it could be a side-effect either of the surgery, or
> of the underlying spinal conditions.
For me it's a combination of injury (muscle spasm type from a fender bender)
and deconditioning from sedentary lifestyle (i.e. not stretching or
exercising at all).
Adelle
Nann Bell - 18 Mar 2005 16:31 GMT
> What causes these things?
different folks have different causes, but I know many people have had hip
pain improve greatly after knee replcements. Bad knees make you walk "funny"
and that messes with all the involved muscles.
> I'm concerned that it could be a side-effect either of the surgery, or
> of the underlying spinal conditions.
I imagine the spinal problems could also affect your mom's walking just as
the bad knee could. A PT eval could probably pin down what's going on and
make some improvements - just how much they could do would depend on what the
underlying problem is. Teh hip thing though certainly sounds like something
that will improve faster with a multiplicity of approaches.

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Caroline Marold - 21 Mar 2005 03:25 GMT
Mine is part of the connective tissue issue of the RA.
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