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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / March 2005Diet and Arthritis
I'm a newbie looking for information. I am reading and gathering information as quickly as I can. My wife shows the first symptoms of what I believe to be arthritis, little bumps at the knuckles of one hand, pain and stiffness in the joints of the feet. I am interested in the group's experiences with diet. Is diet helpful? Diet advice? First suggestion is to get an accurate daignosis. There are 170 different types of arthritis at all levels of severity. You need to know what is going on to make correct treatment choices. The only rheumatic disease that has a proven link to diet is gout. Some people with RA have sensitivities to food that affects how they feel but many others do not. A healthy diet that helps maintain a normal weight is important. Lots of fruits and vegetables, lean protein, fish high in omega 3, "good" carbs etc... Karen > I'm a newbie looking for information. I am reading and gathering > information as quickly as I can. My wife shows the first symptoms of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I am interested in the group's experiences with diet. Is diet helpful? > Diet advice? > I'm a newbie looking for information. I am reading and gathering > information as quickly as I can. My wife shows the first symptoms > of what I believe to be arthritis, little bumps at the knuckles of one > hand, pain and stiffness in the joints of the feet. You "believe?" But you haven't taken her to a rheumatologist for a dianosis? Shame on you. Would you do the same if you "believed" it was polio or TB? > I am interested in the group's experiences with diet. Is diet > helpful? Only in that purines aggravate gout and eliminating foods with high purine content helps. Don't go looking for a miracle cure with any regimen, although some frauds/ hucksters would like to convince you otherwise. Their only concern is enriching themselves while emptying your wallet. > Diet advice? Well balanced menus and keeping weight at an acceptable level - although that's more for those with arthritis in the hips/legs/knees/feet to reduce stress on those joints. Obesity is perhaps the biggest foe of people with arthritis. Those extra pounds literally destroy joints (as well as damage organs such as the heart). ... Texas DOS: Y'all reckon? (Yep/Naw) > > I'm a newbie looking for information. I am reading and gathering > > information as quickly as I can. My wife shows the first symptoms [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > for a dianosis? Shame on you. Would you do the same if > you "believed" it was polio or TB? You, sir are a fool. RA is not the same as polio or TB. You assume more than is your right. Shame on you indeed. > > I am interested in the group's experiences with diet. Is diet > > helpful? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > only concern is enriching themselves while emptying > your wallet. I sir, am not a fool, your patronizing attitude may make you feel smart, but you need to climb down off of your high horse before you fall. Not looking for a miracle cure, looking for science about inflammation and the affect of diet on inflammation (e.g. Inflammation Syndrome by Jack Challem). > > Diet advice? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > destroy joints (as well as damage organs > such as the heart). This is an accepted fact. Weight is not a problem. > ... Texas DOS: Y'all reckon? (Yep/Naw) elgoog, here is a great set of links mostly about gluten intolerance put together by a semi-regular here, Don Wiss. It is definitely worth investigating. http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/ Re: inflammation and diet. i lost my extensive set of links so suggest you do what i am back to doing and run 'RA diet' and 'inflammation diet' thru a search engine and lots of info will turn up. Also do a search on food allergys as some of us are sensitive to specific foods that trigger the disease symptoms. Perhaps the most important thing to remember is that some of us with RA do respond well to changes in diet and some just don't. Severity of disease is a major factor and after 25 years of trying every diet variable available i have found eating fresh veges, fruit, fish, no red meat is the most valuable thing. The only thing i eat specifically for help with inflammation is ginger. lots and lots of fresh ginger. It is important to get to an RD and find out exactly what is going on. RA is a very serious disease and early treatment is critical. Good luck and let us know what the RD tells you. johnie >>>I'm a newbie looking for information. I am reading and gathering >>>information as quickly as I can. My wife shows the first symptoms [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > >>... Texas DOS: Y'all reckon? (Yep/Naw) Thank you, johnie. As of yet, we have no diagnosis from the doctor. But why wait for a more certain diagnosis if we can begin dietary treatment for inflammation. A good diet seems to make sense regardless. Most diets for RA/inflammation seem to emphasize unprocessed foods, fresh fruit, veggies, fish, low fat, avoidance of red meats and salt, etc. We've actually started on the DASH diet which pretty much emphasizes the same things. We began diet and lifestyle changes a little over a month ago. Our philosophy is to make permanent changes rather over time rather than attempt drastic changes all at once. I think that we are pretty much in compliance with the DASH diet at this time. I wouldn't mind adding fresh ginger to our diet though. I believe a healthy diet will assist with any medical treatment, not replace it. I think the question of supplements is interesting, but that it is best to get the necessary vitamins, anti-oxidants, etc. from natural sources in our diet rather than from supplements. Besides it's easier to evaluate the freshness and quality of foods than it is pills, so the idea of adding fresh ginger is particularly appealing to me. I thought there would be more people with arthritis experimenting with anti-inflammation diets, maybe there are, but they just don't feel like sharing. >Thank you, johnie. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >anti-inflammation diets, maybe there are, but they just don't feel like >sharing. My doctor say that of course you should eat healthy but diet doesn't seem to directly influence RA. Thumper To reply drop XYZ in address Yes, well doctors say a lot of things. Doctors are pretty much like the rest of us. Some are smarter than others. Some are driven by greed, some are dedicated to humanity. There's nothing particularly special about doctors, or their training. What they have learned anyone can learn. There are some who believe that diet affects inflammation. This is not to say that it is a direct cause, or a direct cure. I think what we are saying is that it may influence the severity, duration and ability for the body to heal with medication. One must bear in mind that not only are there supplements that can affect medications, but there are natural foods as well. For example, grapefruit can interfer with a number of different drugs.** Licorice also affects some statins and other drugs. Diet can, and does affect medication and treatment. There are also foods that will help treatments. Eat well, exercise, sleep well. Live well. **http://my.webmd.com/content/article/99/105271.htm >Yes, well doctors say a lot of things. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >**http://my.webmd.com/content/article/99/105271.htm You used a lot of word to say the same thing I just said. Thumper To reply drop XYZ in address > You used a lot of word to say the same thing I just said. You think he dropped into ASA just to start arguments? Can't post without tripping over his own tongue (or fibgers in this medium)? ... If cows have horns, why don't they honk instead of moo? I'm glad we agree. I thought you said, "diet doesn't seem to directly influence RA," which appears to be true. But, diet does affect medications, inflammation and a myriad of other physiological problems. >I'm glad we agree. I thought you said, "diet doesn't seem to directly >influence RA," which appears to be true. But, diet does affect >medications, inflammation and a myriad of other physiological problems. What part of a diet affects RA type inflammation? What medications for RA are affected by diet? Thumper To reply drop XYZ in address > There's nothing particularly special about doctors, or their training. > What they have learned anyone can learn. So why haven't you learned and started treating your relative/wife instead of trying to blow away everyone who replies? ... Tennis players have fuzzy balls. You are a sick man. >> I thought there would be more people with arthritis experimenting with >> anti-inflammation diets, maybe there are, but they just don't feel like >> sharing. A number of people here have experimented with diet, myself included. Most of us have had very limited results. I feel better over all when I eat a healthier diet, but it has had little effect on my arthritis over the years. I tried some of the reportedly anti-arthritis diets including the avoid nightshades idea and the Pritikin and saw no improvement in my arhtritis whatsoever. One valued memver of this group has recently started eating according to the book "Stop Inflammation Now" due to heart problems. She has had significant and very important improvements in her heart, but has not reported any improvements in her arthritis. But, YMMV. As long as you are trying a healthy diet as you say you are, it can't do any harm and it certainly should be good for your overall health.  SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare > My doctor say that of course you should eat healthy but diet doesn't > seem to directly influence RA. And mine has patients that have found ,(like myself)specific foods that trigger flares. for docs it is difficult to get behind a statement that can't be documented with reputable clinical studies. Until there is money to be made with the results of a clinical study on RA and the influence of diet it ain't gonna happen and all we have is antedotal reports. we have discussed this topic many times over the years and there are quite a few of us with specific foods we have to avoid. it seems most of us avoid threads that deal with diet because it has often led to some infamous 'flamewars'. It is right there with politics and religion. it usually happens when someone comes rolling in with the diet that cures arthritis and if your still sick then obviously your not trying hard enough. fer sure that crap don't float around here. >g< bon appetit... johnie when I came here I was not interested in flame wars. i had what i felt was a simple and honest question. due to the prejudices of one, i bid thee adieu. -thoroughly disgusted with the unjust, unfair attacks without provocation, let someone else ring that fire idiot's bell! > when I came here I was not interested in flame wars. i had what i felt > was a simple and honest question. due to the prejudices of one, i bid > thee adieu. > > -thoroughly disgusted with the unjust, unfair attacks without > provocation, let someone else ring that fire idiot's bell! What you do not understand is that we do not want people to have false hopes that something like diet can control their problem or make it go away. We try to deal with over 170 different types of arthritis problems and most of them must be handled by an RD for a person's problem to improve or at the very least hold the line(so to speak). You can go off in a huff if you want to but it is your wife that should be posting in this newsgroup with honesty and openness because people here want to help her,,,,, NOT YOU,,,, YOU DUMB a.s. Harv harvey, i really don't understand why you and firechief went after this guy. he was just asking questions as openly as he could. he did not even suggest that diet could control arthritis. on the contrary it was made real clear by everyone posting with info that diet could only help by promoting good health and that is always important with any chronic illness. he should go off in a huff the way firechief attacked him right from the beginning. he made it clear that his wife was seeing an RD and that he was trying to support her by asking us here if any thing to do with diet has gotten good results. he seemed like a pretty reasonable guy. probably a good one also who just wanted to support his wife. I guess you guys showed him though. he is just not tough enough to step into your turf. your attacks look pretty silly. wish you would save some of that energy for something positive. is this need to display unbridled and misplaced aggression just something you two can't control and have to get it out of your system from time to time. If that's the case i am offering myself up. come after me with baseball bats. just get it out of your friggin systems and stop taking it out on newbies looking for help. The best thing to do when a subject comes up you don't really know that much about is stay out of it, pay attention to others who do and you might learn something. johnie >>when I came here I was not interested in flame wars. i had what i felt >>was a simple and honest question. due to the prejudices of one, i bid [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > YOU DUMB a.s. > Harv > The best thing to do when a subject comes up you don't really know that > much about is stay out of it, pay attention to others who do and you might > learn something. > > johnie Just because you do not understand it does not mean it should not of happened. I really did not like the way his mind was handling a problem his wife was having. I would much rather of been talking to his wife but will not get the chance. I do know that I do not need you to tell me what I need to say or think before of I speak here. I have been through the diet thing to many times with people who are not feeling the pain or dealing with the loss of function due to inflam.arth. Thank you for your consideration and support. Are you still smoking johnie? Harv that's all well and good but why in the world would his wife want to come back here to a hostile environment? If you are trying to "protect" his wife, makes not a bit of sense to me that we make the atmosphere here so condescending and angry. I always think condecension and hostility are good ways to get someone started in a meaningful dialogue. > that's all well and good but why in the world would his wife want to > come back here to a hostile environment? If you are trying to > "protect" his wife, makes not a bit of sense to me that we make the > atmosphere here so condescending and angry. I always think > condecension and hostility are good ways to get someone started in a > meaningful dialogue. It seems that we are getting away from the understanding that this man was trying to solve his wife's problem with arthritis with diet. If you think the man was correct in his thinking,,,,,, YOU BOTH SHOULD OF SPOKEN UP,,, at the time or during instead of making remarks later. THAT would of been meaningful dialogue and timely. Harv Did you not read my response Harv? Did you not read Johnie's response? Melinda i did speak up harvey cause you must have assumed that firechief had a good reason for going after this guy. he didn't. This is important. If this doesn't clarify the reason firechief and you owe the man an apology i give up.. This guy was not trying to "SOLVE" his wife's problem with diet. he did not say that. She has an RD working on that. He asked a question about what peoples experience was with diet and the inflammatory response. He wanted to know if there was anything she could take or eat that would help the body control inflammation. A few of us have found a few things helpful but nothing that cures... And nothing that works for everyone. He understood that. I still do not understand why firechief attacked this newbie. It looks like pure meanness. The reason i am still talking about this is because/ first, its important that we do not run new people off for asking questions. it breeds a hostile and oppressive environment and when it happens the people responsible should have a damn good explanation or admit they made a mistake and try to do better.and/ second, we have known each other a long time and i know you can be a good and reasonable man and its important to clarify misunderstandings. still not smoking, johnie >>that's all well and good but why in the world would his wife want to >>come back here to a hostile environment? If you are trying to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Harv > still not smoking, > johnie Can not speak for Chief and the above is great news. Harv Harvey, Don't often post lately but I think you and firechief were out of line. The guy was trying to get information but wasn't apparently only trying that. Also at the beginning of learning of RA there are enough things to do in life (like try to stay awake) and it sure would be nice to have a husband to care enough to help out and probably to understand! Kind of nice to see someone wanting information. He wasn't ignoring RD's. i think you owe Melinda and Johnnie an apology. There emails were not confrontational. Just my opinion but don't flame me - don't need it - just offering one more opinion. Hate to see anyone turned off from information. Kelly >i did speak up harvey cause you must have assumed that firechief had a good >reason for going after this guy. he didn't. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >> >> Harv > Harvey, > Don't often post lately but I think you and firechief were out of line. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > more opinion. Hate to see anyone turned off from information. > Kelly Like many things in life,,, it depends on how it is used. Diet is a must for all of us. It is not a way to control an arthritis problem and most assuredly a way to control inflam.arth and as far as that goes,,,, inflammation. About the apology that is your opinion and I do not agree in any way with you. They both understand where I was coming from with each of them. By the way, the man said she was under a doctors care but did not say it was an RD if I remember correctly. Again, your opinion was needed at the time if you think arthritis inflammation can be helped with diet. Harv >> Harvey, >> Don't often post lately but I think you and firechief were out of line. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >inflammation can be helped with diet. >Harv I agree with you Harv. It wasn't clear in his first post that he had gone to an RD. It seemed to be a typical post hoping that there was an alternative to that. It's a good thing he didn't ask about magnets or we may have had a few tell him how helpful they are. Thumper To reply drop XYZ in address Harv wrote: > By the way, the man said she was under a doctors care > but did not say it was an RD if I remember correctly. Nowhere did he state she was under any doctor's care --- until he was challenged for not taking her to a doctor. And that was after the onager chastised someone else for not visiting a doctor. (He can pour it on, but can't take the heat himself.) Even after that, he never mentioned an RD. "My wife shows symptoms...." sounds like a cheap bastard trying to obtain a diagnosis via the i'net to avoid paying for a doctor's appointment. From: "elgoog" <bjdefend-newsgroups@yahoo.com> Subject: Diet and Arthritis Date: Thursday, February 24, 2005 08:53 I'm a newbie looking for information. I am reading and gathering information as quickly as I can. My wife shows the first symptoms of what I believe to be arthritis, little bumps at the knuckles of one hand, pain and stiffness in the joints of the feet. I am interested in the group's experiences with diet. Is diet helpful? Diet advice? ... (((((YOU)))))(((((ARE)))))(((((FEELING)))))(((((SLEEPY))))) "johnie" <jhh@heavensgate.net> wrote in message > still not smoking, > johnie That is the coolest thing I've heard in a long time. And wonderful great good news. You are gonna get some more miles out of those old lungs yet. Jo thanks jo, hold that sweet thought. i just wanna get one good, long road trip out of this re-tread. >g< johnie > "johnie" <jhh@heavensgate.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jo > Thank you, johnie. > > As of yet, we have no diagnosis from the doctor. And who called who a fool? ... Hanging: An early Western American form of bungee jumping. > > Thank you, johnie. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ... Hanging: An early Western American form of bungee jumping. Again? We have been to the doctor. They do not have a diagnosis yet. Fool! Some are blind and do not see, others see and are blind. I come here to ask a question about diet. Do you suppose your incivility should go unnoticed? Instead of apologizing, you plan to continue to deepen your offense? Hi,,,,, I will share this with you speaking as a person who has had RA for over 25 years and under the care of a Rheumatologist for 20 of those years,,,, 3 RDs by the way. If worry over diet delays a person from getting the right care FOR ONE DAY, it is a crime against the person with RA. What RA does to a persons organs and joints sometimes can not be reversed and can be on going without the person knowing what is taking place. Think about this if you will,,,,,, even with the best of diets,,,,,, it does not slow down the process of what inflam.arth. does to a person. If a person has RA and it takes a Rheumatologist to confirm this,,,, to worry about diet to help control inflam. is dancing around the fire while your house burns. Harv > I thought there would be more people with arthritis experimenting with > anti-inflammation diets, maybe there are, but they just don't feel like > sharing. Harv, She is seeing a doctor. She has seen a doctor. In the earliest stages, tests may be inconclusive. Hence, _I believe_ it is probably arthritis and there has been no definitive diagnosis other than it may/may not be inflammation or arthritis. There _are_ many different types of arthritis, I believe many are classified by little more than the localization of symptoms. I think it is interesting to entertain the thought that while we treat the symptoms, the causes are not well understood. There may in fact be multiple causes and hence the reason that some patients respond well to biologics and others do not. Anti-inflammatories can be useful, but only specifically treat symptoms. A patient who actively participates is more likely to find answers, as I'm sure you would agree. Thanks for your concern. Diet makes a huge difference for me in how active my RA is. Intestinal permeability is a huge issue for me and my ra, which means I try to stay away from wheat and most glutens (try www.panix.com for some good info). Sugar makes me much more symptomatic as does coffee. When I do a veggie juice fast, I am basically symptom free and mySED rate lowers. However, the interesting thing about infalmmatory arthritis is what works well for me may not work at all for your wife. There are diets ranging from paleo to zone (omega oriented) to the Swedish diet which is mostly vegetarian. Each of them has worked wonders for some people and done nothing for others. If intestinal permeability, yeast overgrowth, or lack of omega 3's and 6's, or allergic food reactions are part of what causes the immune response that leads to inflammatory arthritis, then dietary changes are a great thing to try. However, there are so many things that may trigger arthritis. Infections both bacterial and viral, genetics, exposure to toxic chemicals are just a few things that have been studied as possibly triggers for RA. Finally, you need a diagnosis. If she has OA, then start the glucosamine now. I really have never seen diet help anyone with OA significantly as that is not inflammatory. If she has an inflammatory arthritis then you need to educated yourselves big time as many of these types of arthritis can lead to organ failure down the line and need to be dealt with. It is essential that she see a rheumatologist and not just her PCP for a disagnosis as it is really quite the dance to get a real diagnosis. They will do blood work testing for rate of inflammation, genetic markers, RA factor, etc., possibly x-rays, and a comprehensive history. Feel free to email me privately as I don't check into ASA all that often Melinda Dietary risk factors for rheumatic diseases. Current Opinion in Rheumatology. 17(2):141-146, March 2005. Choi, Hyon K Abstract: Purpose of review: Recent scientific data illuminate the dietary link to rheumatic disorders. This review summarizes recently published articles on the dietary link to rheumatoid arthritis, gout, and osteoarthritis. Recent findings: A prospective study suggests that higher intakes of meat and total protein as well as lower intakes of fruit, vegetables, and vitamin C are associated with an increased risk of inflammatory polyarthritis or rheumatoid arthritis. Several studies suggest that the Mediterranean-type diet or its main components may have protective effects on the development or severity of rheumatoid arthritis. A recent prospective study investigated several purported dietary factors for gout and confirmed some of the long-standing suspicions (red meats, seafood, beer, and liquor), exonerated others (total protein, wine, and purine-rich vegetables), and also identified potentially new protective factors (dairy products). Recent double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled studies suggest that antioxidant vitamins (vitamin E, vitamin C, [beta]-carotene, and retinol) do not halt the progression of symptomatic knee osteoarthritis, as was previously suggested. Summary: Because diet is an unavoidable universal exposure for people, even a small effect that can be achieved by dietary manipulation may produce a large impact on the population's health. As the evidence on the role of dietary factors in rheumatic disorders grows it becomes increasingly important for clinicians and investigators in the field of rheumatology to familiarize themselves with the relevant data and appropriately apply them to clinical and public health practice. >Dietary risk factors for rheumatic diseases. >Current Opinion in Rheumatology. 17(2):141-146, March 2005. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >rheumatology to familiarize themselves with the relevant data and >appropriately apply them to clinical and public health practice. If you dig deep enough you can find someone with an opinion on anything. Noted is the lack of cites for these "studies." Thumper To reply drop XYZ in address thanks kate for sharing this. it does support some widely accepted notions about foods that help us in our struggle to keep ol' arthur at bay. as my RA gets more aggressive as i enter my 26th year of living with this gnarly disease i find myself getting more serious about all the lifestyle protocols that seem to help. what dmards are you on these days? my memory is going to hell. i thought you were on Enbrel still. how have you been? i could have missed an update if you have provided one lately. i have been very sporadic as of late. it always lifts my spirits to see your name on the board. you were so supportive when i first showed up. it meant a lot then and does still. Hope your well... johnie > Dietary risk factors for rheumatic diseases. > Current Opinion in Rheumatology. 17(2):141-146, March 2005. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > rheumatology to familiarize themselves with the relevant data and > appropriately apply them to clinical and public health practice. Kate wrote; > Dietary risk factors for rheumatic diseases. > Recent findings: A prospective study prospect - act of looking forward, outlook; mental vision of something to come; something expected or awaited; possibility; potential customer; likely. prospective - adj. prospectively - adv. Sounds like the study hasn't been conducted yet. Or the author made a poor choice of words. > suggests that higher intakes of meat and total protein > as well as lower intakes of fruit, vegetables, and > vitamin C are associated with an increased risk of > inflammatory polyarthritis or rheumatoid arthritis. UNDERSTANDING ARTHRITIS THE ARTHRITIS FOUNDATION Chapter 9 Unproven Remedies and Diet Treatments for Arthritis Many unproven remedies are based on diet. Although good nutrition is important for everyone, especially people with health problems, no diet has been proved to prevent or cure any of the rheumatic diseases. Nor after hundreds of careful research studies, has diet ever been shown to make the symptoms better or worse in any form of arthritic disease except gout. Aside from gout, the most sensible advice about diet and arthritis is that people with this condition should eat balanced meals, and those who are overweight should lose weight carefully. People who have arthritis and are overweight put added stress on their supportive joints, such as the hips and knees -- a burden that should be avoided. Several studies have shown that osteoarthritis develops earlier and more often in people who are more than ten percent overweight. Using a common-sense approach to food is the best defense against the legions of special "arthritis diets" often promoted in clever books and magazine articles. The large number of different diet remedies is a strong clue that none really works. Some claim that avoiding "nightshades" (the family of foods that includes white potatoes, tomatoes and peppers) will clear up arthritis; others recommend taking high doses of certain vitamins; consuming food supplements such as cod liver oil or extra minerals; avoiding all meat and processed foods; or trying "allergy- elimination" diets. ... Wurlitzer & Xerox merge...make reproductive organs. >I'm a newbie looking for information. I am reading and gathering >information as quickly as I can. My wife shows the first symptoms of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I am interested in the group's experiences with diet. Is diet helpful? >Diet advice? The spectrum of autoimmune diseases of which RA is a member seems to often respond, a little or a lot, to dietary changes, but they tend to vary widely between individuals. There are a number of books out now on inflammation-reducing diets, which mainly recommend you cut back on red meat and other sources of omega-6 fatty acids, and increase the consumption of omega-3s from flax, nuts, and most of all, cold-water fish. Then there are anti-inflammatory components of foods, from the quercetin in tea, apples, and onions, to turmeric. These tend to work somewhere in the fatty acid to prostaglandin metabolism just as do aspirin and other NSAIDs. As far as science can tell (and it's relatively old science, 1950's or so). But just as with the COX-2 hubbub going on now, the exact details of this all, is still beyond the state of the art. None of these are cures, at least not for most people, but it's common enough to see some improvements if you fiddle with the diet, informed by these kinds of guidelines, and find what works for you. Then there are the theories of candida, of gut permeability, and such that might include all sorts of foods, mainly by exclusion. I put somewhat less credibility in these, but they are worth looking into. Finally there are theories like Paganos that say certain foods cause (perhaps at least in some people) allergic reactions that bring on all sorts of ills. I put the least credibility in these, however, it doesn't hurt to look into them and try them out for a while. What you can do with diet is, at least, if you start taking orthodox medicines for arthritis, at least try not to make things worse by eating what people say is a BAD diet! Give the medicines more of a chance to work. Oh yeah, there are insulin-related dietary theories, which tie into weight-related theories, and of course, the supplements of glucosamine and chondroitin are particularly worth looking into. And I'm probably leaving out a few. ... pretty much none of which the average doctor is going to get into with you, but that is yet another story! J. |
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