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Diane - 24 Feb 2005 20:14 GMT duckie,
somehow i missed this post to me and other writers, so i'm pasting it below.
however, i don't have an answer for you. maybe you could look at the letters again and give the idea some thought. would they work best just typed up as letters? or compiled as they are (handwritten i assume) into a notebook for the family? it's hard to get much of anything pubbed these days, although if you are up for writing a story from them, go for it. or if you can use the letters as-is to ullustrate a point/philosphy in some way. do you have the time and would it be fun for you?
that's sad about your cousin. i have a lost flower-child cousin, too. a brilliant guy who did too many drugs and has paid a hefty price for it.
diane
>>>Question for you or any of the writers out there. I have found the letters my cousin wrote to me while he was in prep school - male only - in the wild's of Conn. I have not reread them at the moment but I remember them as pee in your pants funny. At the time, he wrote well and these letters were sometimes 15 pages of legal back to back. When I do read them and if they are as funny as I remember, how would I go about sort of compiling them into a short story or even long story. This cousin is homeless now with little left of his glorious mind due to drugs. I keep thinking if no one else but the family ever saw this story I envision, it would be worth the effort to work on. There was one episode I remember that involved putting out a fire with a glass of water -- think big fire and one glass and water source down the hall... The way he told it still makes me smile after all these years and like I said, I have yet to read them. I did find the letter he wrote me before his sister's wedding in a different place which I have read. I had written to ask him what he remembered most of our summers at the beach in NC. He wrote so very well. sigh Poor boy has never left the 70's. He is a lost flower child. Duckie <<<
elgoog - 24 Feb 2005 20:35 GMT Getting published is easy, just blog them. But, you have another problem, those letters still belong to your cousin. You need his permission to blog them or even show them to the public.
d'huit - 24 Feb 2005 21:26 GMT > Getting published is easy, just blog them. But, you have another > problem, those letters still belong to your cousin. You need his > permission to blog them or even show them to the public. you're correct.
kate
Diane - 24 Feb 2005 22:33 GMT >But, you have another > problem, those letters still belong to your cousin. You need his > permission to blog them or even show them to the public. this is true.
diane
firechief - 25 Feb 2005 00:19 GMT > Getting published is easy, just blog them. But, you have another > problem, those letters still belong to your cousin. You need his > permission to blog them or even show them to the public. WRONG! Those are letters he sent, and federal law states that they are the property of the recipient, in this case Duckie.
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d'huit - 25 Feb 2005 02:38 GMT >> Getting published is easy, just blog them. But, you have another >> problem, those letters still belong to your cousin. You need his [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > states that they are the property of the recipient, in > this case Duckie. yes. those letters are the property of the recipient. but copyrights reside with the author. it's like, if i write a poem for you and about you in a lettler to you and then mail it to you---that "copy", of the letter and poem contained within it, is your property, but the reproduction rights/copyrights belong to me, as the author, as are any derived royalties from the letter's/poem's reproduction.
kate
Diane - 25 Feb 2005 03:37 GMT i had to look into this when i started my website and wanted to quote from readers' email on it. i learned exactly what kate just said.
diane
Janet N - 25 Feb 2005 15:15 GMT > yes. those letters are the property of the recipient. but copyrights > reside with the author. it's like, if i write a poem for you and about [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > kate That all makes sense. This ties in well with my own questions...now, assuming the person who wrote the item gives permission, I have one more question: if the story or anecdote names people (especially those whose names are recognizable to many), do those people need to be contacted for permission as well? In my case these would be true, but possibly embellished, tales from several people. There would be hundreds, and the thought of contacting everyone mentioned is very intimidating... but leaving the names out would in many cases take away from the impact of the story.
Janet N.
d'huit - 25 Feb 2005 16:04 GMT >> yes. those letters are the property of the recipient. but copyrights >> reside with the author. it's like, if i write a poem for you and about [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Janet N. i'm no lawyer. however, if, as you say, "assuming the person who wrote the item gives permission" (and i'd want that permission in writing.) then there's no problem with naming names that have already been named, because you would be *citing* somebody else's text, with attribution to the original authors/sources. for me, though---i would want to be very careful that the names are used in a truthful context, to avoid libel/slander/defamation litigation.
actually, adelle might be able to cast more light on this for you, janet.
kate
Nann Bell - 25 Feb 2005 19:33 GMT I don't know the legalities, but I figure as long as there is no reason to retain the names as written, one could just change all the names to protect the innocent, with the author's permission, of course.
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>> That all makes sense. This ties in well with my own questions...now, >> assuming the person who wrote the item gives permission, I have one more [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > kate Janet N - 26 Feb 2005 05:33 GMT Unfortunately, the stories could lose some of their appeal if the names were changed. The target readership is a very specific group, and they will relate to the items much better if the names are left in. I was hoping to defer the legal stuff until after I was sure I'd have enough submissions to compile, but I think I really need to be able to make the contributors aware of how their information will be presented. I guess I'll put it on hold a few more months until I can afford to consult with a lawyer. Damn, I thought using other people's words would be easier! lol.
Janet N.
>I don't know the legalities, but I figure as long as there is no reason to > retain the names as written, one could just change all the names to [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >> kate elgoog - 25 Feb 2005 18:04 GMT Chief, If I buy a CD, then the CD is mine, but that doesn't mean I can copy it, or even play it in public venues. The artist does not (and cannot) concede all their rights upon sale of the CD.
I think you are confusing postal regulations and law with intellectual property rights.
The letters belong to her, as property. However, publishing the letters whether for material gain or for public information requires consent of the author while living, or of the author's estate if deceased. The author's rights continue for 75 years beyond death.
Besides, it would simply be rude without the author's or the family's permission.
One could perhaps cleanse the letters of personally identifiable information, however once released were anyone to profit from them whether it be a little duckie, a publishing company or even a charity, the author might have a claim.
Theoretically, in this case, one could go ahead and publish them anyway and then be ready to pay him whatever compensation he demands should he ever resurface - or should anyone else in the family make any demands. At any rate, this is a family matter, don't publish without consulting the family.
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firechief - 27 Feb 2005 02:42 GMT > I think you are confusing postal regulations and > law with intellectual property rights. No, you unequivocally stated that the letter still belonged to the relative, and that is not true.
Your statement and my reply contained nothing about intellectual property rights.
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Caroline Marold - 25 Feb 2005 05:10 GMT Yep -- I have thought about that. One reason why I thought they would better be reworked into a story. Finding him now to even ask would be very difficult. Homeless doesn't exactly have a mailbox or phone. Also was thinking that if somehow it could make any money -- he could use it. Does that make sense. Anyway, long way from that happening. Duckie
> Getting published is easy, just blog them. But, you have another > problem, those letters still belong to your cousin. You need his > permission to blog them or even show them to the public.
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d'huit - 24 Feb 2005 20:46 GMT i had an odd thought about the letters, but then, i think in odd ways, mostly metaphors.LOL rearrange his letters to form/create "a daisy chain from a lost flower child".
i mean do something graphic with his thoughts, like arrange them/his words in flower shapes on the page for the less concrete subjects and whatever other shapes the topic of the letter seems to be about---like, if it is baseball, arrange the words on the page to form a baseball, or whatever. and then your own words in the story/text can be the next page's stem-link. kind of like a necklace of pearls---his pearl, then your knot (to tie it together and hold it in place), then his pearl, and your knot . . . and so on.
just a goofy thought, but i know it would have to be a labor of love.
kate
> duckie, > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > flower child. > Duckie <<< Caroline Marold - 25 Feb 2005 05:11 GMT Now I see that with poetry... :) Duckie
> i had an odd thought about the letters, but then, i think in odd ways, > mostly metaphors.LOL rearrange his letters to form/create "a daisy chain [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >>flower child. >>Duckie <<<
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Caroline Marold - 25 Feb 2005 05:02 GMT I keep thinking of them in terms of 84 Charing Cross Rd. which I reread periodically. So story but with the letters... Found another in a totally different area today. Boy, he wrote well. My mother used to write for children in middle school age. Wonder if they might be used as a flushed out story of some sort for that age group. When I get some time, I will curl up and reread them all. I guess I am just glad I found them. I like to write -- I'm just used to writing text for class work and teaching. :) It is sad about both our cousins. Worse thing this time was that he was caught stealing drugs from patients in the nursing home he had worked for for 8 years. So when he lost his job, he also lost his vocation. turns out he has been on methadone for years. His sister told her mother that she just found this out and also told her that methadone is just a light form of heroin. Why would you try to get off that she said. I got that third hand via aunts but his sister is OB/GYN so I guess she is right assuming it didn't get garbled in the passing along. sigh He is 18 months younger than I am but until this year he was still getting mother to send him money. In reality, my opinion, his mother is his biggest problem. She always did everything for him and now it is too late. Thanks for the advice. I actually had self published my own textbook for classes I taught on Smocking. Back then it cost quite a bit including the color cover [now in 4th printing and second edition and I still have cases in the basement. Now, it is just a question of getting it written and proofed and translated into a PDF file available at a local internet near you. rofl My grandfather's family genealogy book he wrote while recovering from a heart attack is still being requested and one day I will take the time to type it into Word. It won't have the beautiful leather cover but it will also not take up any closet space. Thanks for answering. Duckie
> duckie, > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > flower child. > Duckie <<<
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Carole - 25 Feb 2005 06:56 GMT > I keep thinking of them in terms of 84 Charing Cross Rd. which I reread > periodically. I LOVE that book, and also LOVE the movie :)
Hugs, Carole :)
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