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update on the L5-S1 epidural

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d'huit - 22 Feb 2005 06:05 GMT
as you know, friday morning i had my first epidural injection of the series
of 3.  as i write this, i'm focusing strictly on how the epidural has
affected me these past few days since.  friday morning, after immediately
returning home post first injection, i followed instructions and took it
easy (for the first 24 hours).

still mildly rummy from the morning's valium cocktail, i lied down to rest
about 11a.m. friday morning.   my bed is pre-programmed for a recliner
position, so i hit the button for what i generally consider most comfortable
for my spine.  not a good idea, at all.   but i hadn't been informed that it
wouldn't be.  a comfortable 3-4 pain scale level instantly shot up past 7,
up from my anesthetized L5-S1 spine to mid-thoracic area.  yowies!  i
quickly fiddled with the control to find a new comfort zone.  oddly, that
turned out to be a totally flat position.  i managed to nap for an hour
before my upper spine decided it didn't like that position, silently
rebelled, and i noticed that the anesthesia was beginning to wear off.  so,
i rose and took 2 ultracet, before the entire trunk of this human tree began
to bend to the certainty of forthcoming pain, then waited (nearly 2 1/2
hours) for its peak effectiveness to settle things back down.  and then, a
two-hour nap followed.

upon awakening to a phone call, i rose and was astonnished to discover that
i could walk with a minimum of discomfort.  it was around 5 p.m. that i
decided to get the mail.  as i walked to the mailbox, something seemed
strange, but somehow familiar.  by the time my son came home from work, i
had taken another 6 hour dose of ultracet and it had begun to hold my lumbar
pain level down.  he commented that something was different about me.  then
he pinned it down---he had never in his 28 years seen his mother walk more
than a few steps without a sustained limp.  and i haven't limped since that
moment.  i can't tell you how that feels, maybe because it feels like it
should feel.<smile>  how did it work so fast?

i've faithfully taken g & c for my knees for the past 7 or so years, just
based on faith in the documentation i've read over the years about it.
still i limped and just hoped that g & c was helping in some invisible way.
apparently, it had, but i didn't have the opportunity to feel the benefit.
it must have been my spine, all these years, and not my knees (despite the
xrayed bone on bone in my left knee) nor my hips (though both knees and hips
had almost always hurt) that had caused the limp.  what a shock to discover
that.  so, my hips are less painful now, too.  no spasms in my legs or feet
at all, so far!!!   neck and flank muscle spasms still occur, but they
weren't treated.

friday night, i slept for two five-hour periods---yes, ten hours in a twelve
hour period.  i haven't slept more than 3 uninterupted by pain hours in a
row for several years.  saturday was a wonderful and long day.   for this
past year or so, ordinarily, i'd be wiped out of energy within a few hours,
but i wasn't.  our entire family was over my sister's for her birthday, then
later my son and youngest sister and i went out for dinner.  last night, i
slept for another 5 hours in a row, but didn't have the patience to wait
until a pain pill kicked in, so i arose and it's been a good day too.  i'm
still not limping---i keep wanting to repeat that over and over again, just
to hear it in my mind, because it was such an unexpected blessing!

there are still low levels of pain in my lower spine, a tad higher levels
when i sit or lie down, but walking feels soooo goooood, almost bouyantly
energizing.  funny, how that tends to make me  feel younger.  it's heavenly,
to be able to stand in one place and not have to shift my weight constantly
to avoid too much pain.  i find myself thinking about bicycle riding again;
doing it and not simply fantasizing, i mean.

i was called this morning by the pain managment clinic, to see how the
epidural has progressed for me, or to find out if it had.   have you ever
wanted to kiss a phone?  i wanted to.  i feel like i've been given such a
gift, a lovely miraculous gift.  i asked how long this might last.  it is
apparently an individual thing and no doctor can say for certain if it will
continue, continue to improve, nor if or when it might no longer work.  i'll
take the gift of being able to sleep 5 uninterupted hours and being able to
walk, limpfree--for however long i'm gifted with it.  i am soooo grateful
for this result and soooo amazed.

so now, my very serious question is---how do i get a bathtub full of that
stuff?<smile>

kate
DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 22 Feb 2005 14:12 GMT
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I am sooooo excited to hear this!!  The epidural didn't work well for me, I
am sooo glad it did for you!  This is wonderful news!  Major hugs,
girlfriend!

DeeTee
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d'huit - 22 Feb 2005 18:13 GMT
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> DeeTee

yeah, it is!  i'm excited too!<huge giddy grin>  thank you.  i soooo wish it
had worked for you, deetee.  i'm sorry it didn't.

kate

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>> kate
Janet R - 22 Feb 2005 14:21 GMT
Hey now...you should be tap dancing soon! LOL

I hope this improvement last a long, long time!

Janet R

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> kate
RoseB - 22 Feb 2005 14:30 GMT
>Hey now...you should be tap dancing soon! LOL

I had to look twice, since I mis-read this as lap dancing. LOL

WTG Kate!!

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Diane - 22 Feb 2005 14:39 GMT
she sounds like she feels good enough to lap dance!
kate, this was a JOY to read. i am thrilled for you. i hope it lasts
and lasts. enjoy it one blessed day at a time.

diane
d'huit - 22 Feb 2005 21:56 GMT
> she sounds like she feels good enough to lap dance!
> kate, this was a JOY to read. i am thrilled for you. i hope it lasts
> and lasts. enjoy it one blessed day at a time.
>
> diane

thanks, diane.  it was a joy to feel!  i'm hoping it lasts too.  as for lap
dancing, gee i sure wouldn't want to be the one who owned the lap!LOL
kate
Janet R - 22 Feb 2005 15:01 GMT
Well now..shouldn't her DH benefit too?  LMAO

Janet R

>>Hey now...you should be tap dancing soon! LOL
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d'huit - 22 Feb 2005 22:00 GMT
> Well now..shouldn't her DH benefit too?  LMAO
>
> Janet R

yeah, i think my dh has been doing his own happy dance for me; and knowing
him as i did, it would have been to pink floydd.<smile>

kate

>>>Hey now...you should be tap dancing soon! LOL
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d'huit - 22 Feb 2005 18:09 GMT
ROTFLMBDO!  i love how you read things sometimes, rose!LOL.  makes me feel
like i'm in good company, cuz i do that too.

kate

>>Hey now...you should be tap dancing soon! LOL
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RoseB - 23 Feb 2005 01:46 GMT
>ROTFLMBDO!  i love how you read things sometimes, rose!LOL.  makes me feel
>like i'm in good company, cuz i do that too.
>
>kate
LOL
OK next time I want to know how you are I will say, "Feel like lap
dancing?"

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d'huit - 22 Feb 2005 21:53 GMT
> Hey now...you should be tap dancing soon! LOL
>
> I hope this improvement last a long, long time!
>
> Janet R

yeah.  me, tooo!   dunno about the tap dancing, though---haven't been to a
kegger in decades! LOL

kate
(janet forgets i'm from a "different" generation, slightly oddball,
definitely different.<g>)

>> as you know, friday morning i had my first epidural injection of the
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>> kate
Harvey R. Stone - 22 Feb 2005 14:21 GMT
Hi Kate,    Your words really make a person understand what you are going
through and have been through.   5 hour sleeps are in themselves gooood
medicine.   May you have dreams of your youth,,, painfree and full of
tomorrows.
Harv
> as you know, friday morning i had my first epidural injection of the
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> kate
d'huit - 22 Feb 2005 22:01 GMT
auuuuwwwww . . . thank you, harv.

kate
> Hi Kate,    Your words really make a person understand what you are going
> through and have been through.   5 hour sleeps are in themselves gooood
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>> kate
Carole - 22 Feb 2005 14:36 GMT
Wow, Kate, that is SUPER news!!!  I am so happy for you :-)
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Hugs and Love,
Carole :)
d'huit - 22 Feb 2005 22:02 GMT
> Wow, Kate, that is SUPER news!!!  I am so happy for you :-)
> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{KATE}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
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> Hugs and Love,
> Carole :)

thank you, sweetie!  and now that have have 6 good wheels, i'm gonna get up
there to visit you.  just let me know when it's convenient for you.

kate
Carole - 23 Feb 2005 04:01 GMT
> thank you, sweetie!  and now that have have 6 good wheels, i'm gonna get up
> there to visit you.  just let me know when it's convenient for you.
>
> kate

Ok, will do. Right now I'm running around for more tests and more
doctors.  I need a week in the Bahamas!

Hugsies,
Carole
Nann Bell - 22 Feb 2005 14:45 GMT
OMG, I am SOOOOOOO overjoyed to read this!!!!!  You should see the huge smile
on my face that started with your coments about the *walking* to the phone.  
I hope it just keeps getting better with the other shots.  I know what you
mean about sleep - I've had several times when treatment got me back to
sleeping better and it is a wonderful gift.  (long ago, 25 years or so, I
worked with someone who only slept 4 hours/night.  He swore that everyone
could train themselves to get by on that little sleep so they could do other
things instead of "wasting" time in bed.  I've thought of him often over the
years, especially wondering if he still thinks that way and knowing what an
earful he'd get from me now!)

You know, I suspect the most and least comfortable position for you
post-procedure is a highly individual thing.  They might warn you that your
most comfortable position might change, but I suspect they can't predict what
will be. But the important thing is your wonderful improvement and increased,
restful sleep and all those delights!  How marvelous!

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d'huit - 22 Feb 2005 22:24 GMT
> OMG, I am SOOOOOOO overjoyed to read this!!!!!  You should see the huge
> smile
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> increased,
> restful sleep and all those delights!  How marvelous!

thank you, nann.<big grin>  yeah, i forgot---you know my goofy limp,
doncha.LOL

i believe there was a study done recently, indicating that sleep deprivation
can actually shorten lifespans---but i keep wondering how on earth they can
prove that.  i mean, it's not exactly like we come into this world knowing
what our "normal time card" would grant us for a lifespan.  but i don't see
how your friend's body could repair itself well or quickly, without having
enough sleep.

now, at least, between the ultracet and the epi, i feel like i can really
function again.  it's hard living your life, as if you need a television
commercial break, to move every 15-20 minutes, no matter whether you are
sitting, standing, walking or lounging.
sooo, this is definitely goodness.

went and got my driver's license renewed today and my parking plaquard
renewed.  it felt weird seeing "arthritic and neurological" added to the
orthopedic issues for a reason---especially, since i haven't walked this
well in decades.  but, then, i think if somebody took away my pain meds and
i had to rely on the epi solely, i wouldn't be walking very far :-0  it's
the combo that's helped.   i'm sure of it now.  i can't wait until friday's
shot, since the first one did this for me!<smile>

kate

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Kelly Cobb - 22 Feb 2005 14:50 GMT
((((Kate))))

I am so happy that you got this result, especially after all the agonized
waiting and soul-searching. You did the right thing for yourself and it is
so wonderful to feel the joy of your words and visualize you riding a bike
again.:o)

Have Alex take a picture for us when it happens, okay?

Kelly C.
KJ - 22 Feb 2005 17:00 GMT
Woooohoooooooooooooo! Go Kate! Go Kate! Go Kate!

~KJ
d'huit - 22 Feb 2005 23:25 GMT
> Woooohoooooooooooooo! Go Kate! Go Kate! Go Kate!
>
> ~KJ

<grinning hugely> i can actually hear you, inside my head, kj.  and that
feels nice.  thank you.

kate
d'huit - 22 Feb 2005 23:23 GMT
> ((((Kate))))
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> Kelly C.

ohho, yeahhhh, i'm soooo good at that masochistic
agonizing/self-doubt/soul-searching thang, aren't i?LOL  i think there is a
latent control freak inside me, that wants some things to be "perfect"
before i commit, especially, if potential owies might be involved.LOL  but,
somehow, once i leave that behind, things seem to work out.  guess, it's
just my process and somehow works for me.LOL

thank you for being happy for me and right along with me, kelly.  first
comes some kind of easy to remove bike rack on the back of pj.  i have to
research that.  and then, comes replacing the desiccated tires on my
practically brand new 20 year old 15 speed mountain bike.<smile>  no safe
place to ride around here (used to ride at the lake, but i would love to
head up to rainier with it).  orrrrr, if the costs are higher doing that,
i'll just buy a lightweight foldup 7-speed that i can toss in the back and
just saw at camping world.<smile>  and if i can ride again, i sure will get
alex to take a couple of pix.

kate
Nann Bell - 23 Feb 2005 14:35 GMT
You should be able to replace the tires AND get the bike "tuned up" for $40
or so - depending on the market there.  It'd be a good idea to do the tune up
thing after the bike has sat for so long.  They'll grease and oil everything
again and check out the adjustment of the gears and brakes - you really want
to make sure you can stop when you need to!  LOL  In your area, I imagine
bike shops have periodic coupons or specials available for this.  I know they
always do down in Gainesville, a big bike city.  You CAN do all of this
yourself, but unless you have the right tools, it's a royal pain.  I know my
dad's hands finally got to the point that he'd just pay the bike shop a
couple of bucks to replace his flats rather than do it himself.

As for racks, I'm lucky to have Mike to do that for me, heehee.  Seems to me
though that there are racks that can be permanently mounted to the back of
vehicles such as your PJ.  No doubt they cost more, but I bet it'd be much
easier than taking one on and off.  Or research the fold-up bike on the web -
I just don't know how goood and durable they are.

All of this is making want late spring/summer to get here so we can ride
again!  Gotta get past not only winter, but the following mud season before
I'll go out for a spin though!

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> kate
Adelle - 23 Feb 2005 17:16 GMT
If you are really serious about taking up bike riding again, I have only two
words - gel seats.
Adelle
d'huit - 23 Feb 2005 17:28 GMT
> If you are really serious about taking up bike riding again, I have only
> two words - gel seats.
> Adelle

do they make those about an acre wide?  or will people wonder if i'm
balancing myself on the seat post?  ???

kate
Caroline Marold - 23 Feb 2005 21:46 GMT
Got one for my daughter many Xmas's ago and it was
designed by women for women has two sections with a
space in the middle. And gel cushioned to boot.
Duckie

>>If you are really serious about taking up bike riding again, I have only
>>two words - gel seats.
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Nann Bell - 24 Feb 2005 00:32 GMT
> Got one for my daughter many Xmas's ago and it was
> designed by women for women has two sections with a
> space in the middle. And gel cushioned to boot.
> Duckie

Mike and I both have those "anatomically designed" seats, the men's is
somewhat different from the women's.  We both love them and prefer them to
the larger seats that are more the size of our ample seating areas.  :)

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Adelle - 23 Feb 2005 17:15 GMT
> ((((Kate))))
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> Have Alex take a picture for us when it happens, okay?

Exactly what I wanted to say, too. Sometimes we just need to take a leap of
faith and do something we are terrified to do. SO glad you did, and did it
in a way that was right for you. You sought out the best care providers and
wouldn't settle for anything less. Good for you!

Wishing you pleasant dreams and limpless days!

Adelle
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> Adelle

thank you, sweetie.  those are lovely wishes.

kate
Mary Z - 22 Feb 2005 20:08 GMT
>i was called this morning by the pain managment clinic, to see how the
>epidural has progressed for me, or to find out if it had.   have you ever
>wanted to kiss a phone?  

Wahoo Kate now it is time to do a happy dance.  No excuses get out
there and boogie!  I am so glad you had the procedure done.   Ok now
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d'huit - 22 Feb 2005 23:58 GMT
>>i was called this morning by the pain managment clinic, to see how the
>>epidural has progressed for me, or to find out if it had.   have you ever
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> there and boogie!  I am so glad you had the procedure done.   Ok now
> twist and shout!   How about the pepperment twist?  -- MZ

ROTFLMBDO!!!  ummm . . . mz, how could you possibly know, or have found out,
that i won a cheesy little plastic trophy, during my first year of high
school, for dancing to the peppermint twist?LOL  you couldn't have.  but,
boy, you sure pulled THAT out of the universal ethers somehow! didn't
you?<giggling>  i do feel almost good enough to dance, but i'm a bit of a
wild woman when i do dance.  i left the dance forms behind centuries
ago.<smile>

actually, if this epidural result improves (so that sitting is good too) and
is sustained for long enough, expect me and pj (the rav4---puddle jumper)
near your doorstep one of these weekends (of course, i'll call and make sure
it is convenient for you).  i sooo want to meet you.  i haven't been able to
drive for more than a hour for too long.   and no leg spasms is going to
make that possible again, i think.

it would be fun to be able to once again cast "arrangements" to the wind,
grab a sleeping bag and spontaneously point my wheels in some direction, or
another, to wind up somewhere i've never been.  cuz there's some exploring
i've been wanting to do in this state and down 101 for a long time.  ohhhhh,
i'm soooo into this now, aren't i?  and i even like that i am.<smile>

kate

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Mary Z - 23 Feb 2005 03:01 GMT
>actually, if this epidural result improves (so that sitting is good too) and
>is sustained for long enough, expect me and pj (the rav4---puddle jumper)
>near your doorstep one of these weekends (of course, i'll call and make sure
>it is convenient for you)

You got it girlfriend!  It would be fun to meet you and I would bet we
could get Kelly to pop in for a little visit as well or meet her for
lunch.   I have plenty of bedrooms if you want to spend the night. --
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Kelly Cobb - 23 Feb 2005 03:15 GMT
> >actually, if this epidural result improves (so that sitting is good too) and
> >is sustained for long enough, expect me and pj (the rav4---puddle jumper)
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> lunch.   I have plenty of bedrooms if you want to spend the night. --
> MZ

Oh yeah, you can believe that I wouldn't miss it for the world! Just give as
much notice as possible. My work/homelife schedules aren't incredibly
flexible but with enough notice I can make it fit.

Kelly C.;o)
Caroline Marold - 23 Feb 2005 21:43 GMT
You had better bring your cute little behind to
Portland in june.
Duckie

>>>i was called this morning by the pain managment clinic, to see how the
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firechief - 24 Feb 2005 05:37 GMT
> You had better bring your cute little behind to
> Portland in june.

Yes, she better, after Mary and I drive 945 miles
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Caroline Marold - 22 Feb 2005 22:54 GMT
Oh Kate. This is such good news.
Duckie

> as you know, friday morning i had my first epidural injection of the series
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d'huit - 22 Feb 2005 23:58 GMT
> Oh Kate. This is such good news.
> Duckie

yeahhhh, duckie.  it totally IS!  i'm so happy, i'm almost manic.LOL

kate

>> as you know, friday morning i had my first epidural injection of the
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>> kate
Gwen Love - 23 Feb 2005 02:49 GMT
Kate, that is truly wonderful news.  I was afraid the first day after the
epidural would be very uncomfortable before it really started getting
better.  Very happy that that wasn't the case.  Will just pray that it gets
better with each one.
Gwen

> as you know, friday morning i had my first epidural injection of the series
> of 3.  as i write this, i'm focusing strictly on how the epidural has
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> decided to get the mail.  as i walked to the mailbox, something seemed
> strange, but somehow familiar.  by the time my son came home from work, i

> had taken another 6 hour dose of ultracet and it had begun to hold my lumbar
> pain level down.  he commented that something was different about me.  then
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> kate
jb - 23 Feb 2005 04:21 GMT
Kate
What great news. I am so glad to hear you are fee;ing like a spring
chick.lol
Keep enjoying every minute of it.
God Bless
janice

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