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Nann Bell - 19 Feb 2005 23:30 GMT

"FREEDOM FROM PAIN: Relief is worth risk to many"
http://www.freep.com/news/health/lifeafter-bar118e_20050218.htm

a good article on making the decisions we make about taking our meds, even
ones that may be dangerous in the long term

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Gwen Love - 20 Feb 2005 03:18 GMT

I got so angry tonight watching Public TV. The lady was interviewing a
doctor who said that the CoxII's weren't needed, that Aleve, Tylenol and
other meds were just as good and not nearly as dangerous. Oh how I wished I
could talk back to him!!
Gwen

> "FREEDOM FROM PAIN: Relief is worth risk to many"
> http://www.freep.com/news/health/lifeafter-bar118e_20050218.htm
>
> a good article on making the decisions we make about taking our meds, even
> ones that may be dangerous in the long term

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kenny - 20 Feb 2005 05:02 GMT

>I got so angry tonight watching Public TV. The lady was interviewing a
>doctor who said that the CoxII's weren't needed, that Aleve, Tylenol and
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>> a good article on making the decisions we make about taking our meds, even
>> ones that may be dangerous in the long term

Unreal just how stupid some Doctors can be. They shouldn't even be
practicing medicine with the attitude they have. No over the counter
medicine is ever going to do what Cox11's or Naprosin can do. I would
love for anybody who wishes to become an RD would have to live with
real RA or any of the other diseases we may deal with for at least a
week. Let them try to get by on this crap. Friggin idiots!!!! If any
Doctors are reading this board I mean *you* if you have that stupid
attitude. Go dig ditches or something and leave us the hell alone.

~Kenny

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Caroline Marold - 21 Feb 2005 00:41 GMT

rofl Tell us how you really feel Kenny.
Duckie

>>I got so angry tonight watching Public TV. The lady was interviewing a
>>doctor who said that the CoxII's weren't needed, that Aleve, Tylenol and
>>other meds were just as good and not nearly as dangerous. Oh how I wished I
>>could talk back to him!!
>>Gwen

> Unreal just how stupid some Doctors can be. They shouldn't even be
> practicing medicine with the attitude they have. No over the counter
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>
> ~Kenny

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kenny - 22 Feb 2005 01:52 GMT

LOL. Bout as onerous as always Duckie. Working on getting my Dad moved
to Benton beside my oldest Sister and out of this town. I'll be moving
to that area or North Little Rock where my Daughter lives. Been trying
to get him to move for years. The only thing that's keep me here was
him wanting to live in the house where he raised us all. I live about
ten minutes from him. Finally was able to convince him the
neighborhood was going down fast and it was time to sell out and go.
Had a couple of decent offers on the house already but he is moving
regardless. Will really be soooo glad to have him there. She'll fuss
over him like a Mama Hen.

Otherwise, like I stated, getting tired of some Doctor's attitude on
this cronic pain thing. Just as the other thread mentioning the return
of Vioxx. I never thought Vioxx should have been pulled from the
market. Doctors should use some discretion in prescribing them. I
can't take it because it makes me retain fluids and I ended up having
chest pains and all that stuff I had never experienced but many can
take it without trouble. It's a great medication for inflammation and
I don't feel it should be banned at all. Just used and prescribed more
carefully. Why is that so damn hard for some Doctors to understand?

~Kenny

>rofl Tell us how you really feel Kenny.
>Duckie
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>> ~Kenny

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Jo Firey - 22 Feb 2005 02:57 GMT

> Otherwise, like I stated, getting tired of some Doctor's attitude on
> this cronic pain thing. Just as the other thread mentioning the return
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>
> ~Kenny

I'm with you. I can't take NSAIDS anymore. And yes I do envy those that
can. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to get them. Just means they need
to be cautious.

And I hope to hell they help those who can take them as much as they helped
me for years.

Jo

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Caroline Marold - 22 Feb 2005 04:39 GMT

I think the problem was that the drug company touted it
to every doctor they could. That was what was wrong.
Doctor's were writing scripts for it and never followed
up with their patients. My aunt was taking vioxx AND
aspirin because the nut who wrote the script never
mentioned that she shouldn't. Some doctors have no
clue. My mother's doctor took all his patients off it
two years ago. Didn't like what it seemed to be doing
to the BP of his elderly group. He is a good man. My
mother says he is slowly retiring -- not taking new
patients and time is whittling down his group. My
mother is 86. But he is top notch. Won't let any other
doctor prescribe for his patients. Says if another
doctor [think specialist] wants her to take something
that the specialist is to call and he and only he will
write the script. I think all doctor's should think
like he does.
Glad you are convincing him to move. That is a very
good thing. Hope you can get lot's of help sorting out
the house and its contents. I have been working like a
little beaver for what seems like weeks and I don't
think this is going to end but I guess we are making
progress. Both attics are empty and that is HUGE.
Duckie

> LOL. Bout as onerous as always Duckie. Working on getting my Dad moved
> to Benton beside my oldest Sister and out of this town. I'll be moving
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Nann Bell - 22 Feb 2005 14:45 GMT

> I think the problem was that the drug company touted it
> to every doctor they could. That was what was wrong.
> Doctor's were writing scripts for it and never followed
> up with their patients.

Reminds me of all the brou-ha-ha over Arava a couple of years ago, when Ralph
Nader tried to get it banned. In my letter to the FDA I said limit who can
order it if you have to do something, but do NOT ban it as it is safe when
used and monitored properly.

> But he is top notch. Won't let any other
> doctor prescribe for his patients. Says if another
> doctor [think specialist] wants her to take something
> that the specialist is to call and he and only he will
> write the script. I think all doctor's should think
> like he does.

Your mom is fortunate to have such a good doctor. My doc doesn't take that
approach, but he does follow up on what others prescribe for you, asking
about it whenever you see him. I liked him enough that Mike now sees him
too. And my new RD actually tells him what's going on, I surely don't miss
that fool of an RD I saw in Bay City..... but I'm rambling now.

> Glad you are convincing him to move. That is a very
> good thing. Hope you can get lot's of help sorting out
> the house and its contents. I have been working like a
> little beaver for what seems like weeks and I don't
> think this is going to end but I guess we are making
> progress. Both attics are empty and that is HUGE.

Wow. Congratulations! great progress is being made. Nothing like a move to
make you weed through the stuff. I fear leaving here if we stay a long time.
That full basement downstairs gives us so much room to accumulate stuff.
We're already thinking about acquiring a used treadmill when Mike's on a
full-time salary.

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Rosemarie Shiver - 20 Feb 2005 05:30 GMT

Was that the same MD guy I saw being interviewed on CNN? I wanted to
slap him so bad. Better yet, I wanted him to hear from a lady on the FM NG
who lost half her stomach to the other NSAID's without any warning there was
a problem.

The only thing this idjit said was a problem with the Cox-II's is that
they make ya more prone to clots...which can cause heart attacks and
strokes. So ok....some Plavix with yer Celebrex or some daily MSM and there
ya go...blood thinned and lack of stomach/intestinal damage.

Not a thing about too much Tylenol causing liver damage...faster if you
drink alcohol. Not a word. Right there is some malpractice waiting to
happen. Asprin can cause Reyes Syndrome in the under 12 population.
IB(Motrin) is under the gun for causing a young girl to go blind.
Aleve/Naprosyn is one of the hardest on the GI tract there is.

Ignorance is a long way from bliss. Paid ignorance for publicity is a
low down dirty rotten shame. Cover yer eyes, Gwen! This MD was an obvious
media whore.

Hugs from Rosie

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> I got so angry tonight watching Public TV. The lady was interviewing a
> doctor who said that the CoxII's weren't needed, that Aleve, Tylenol and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> > a good article on making the decisions we make about taking our meds, even
> > ones that may be dangerous in the long term

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Nann Bell - 20 Feb 2005 13:04 GMT

> I got so angry tonight watching Public TV. The lady was interviewing a
> doctor who said that the CoxII's weren't needed, that Aleve, Tylenol and
> other meds were just as good and not nearly as dangerous. Oh how I wished I
> could talk back to him!!
> Gwen

Doesn't that really make you angry? I get such an itchy foot at times like
that - itchy because it really wants to give someone a good, swift kick, even
though I wouldn't really do it. I feel sorry for his patients and I hope he
was in something relatively pain free for his specialty.

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Janet R - 20 Feb 2005 15:15 GMT

I know I am in the minority here, but I cannot take NSAID's (the Cox1's)due
to platelet function issues. I only began an anti-inflammatory when the Cox
II came out.

I had to sign legal paperwork and had to be seen by a cardiologist before I
could take my Bextra again. My blood doesn't clot normally....chances of a
clot are slim to none with me. I am a good candidate for Cox II's.

I am seriously thinking of stockpiling some Bextra if they pull this crap
again. In the 2 weeks of restarting my Bextra...I can get out of bed on the
first try. I can take my dog out for walks. I am getting some housework
done. I am back in my glass studio. My lung inflammation is improving daily
and I can sleep at night.

Send that naysayer to my house. I will duct tape their joints and wake them
every 30 minutes with pain and stiffness. They will be required to sit a
recliner most of the day...and cringe to get up and make lunch or go to the
potty. They will have to watch life pass by and miss their son's track
meets because there is too much walking and they are short of breath due to
chronic lung inflammation that was uncontrolled.

Birth control pills taken by smokers are just as dangerous. How many of
those smokers are required to sign legal paperwork and see a cardiologist?

Ok...I stepping off the soapbox....

One Penny, Another Penny <----My two cents! LOL
Janet R

>I got so angry tonight watching Public TV. The lady was interviewing a
> doctor who said that the CoxII's weren't needed, that Aleve, Tylenol and
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> even
>> ones that may be dangerous in the long term

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Nann Bell - 22 Feb 2005 14:45 GMT

> I am seriously thinking of stockpiling some Bextra if they pull this crap
> again. In the 2 weeks of restarting my Bextra...I can get out of bed on the
> first try. I can take my dog out for walks. I am getting some housework
> done. I am back in my glass studio. My lung inflammation is improving daily
> and I can sleep at night.

That is so great to hear! May you always have Bextra available in the
future. Being able to LIVE what life you have is what matters most.

You know, I'm thinking now of how it must be for the folks who love us.
Because they love us so much, they want us to be as happy as possible while
we're alive but they still have to deal with the thought that they are
watching us take drugs that could shorten our lives even while making them so
much richer. An obvious choice for those who truly love, but still a
diffcult one. I need to give Mike an extra hug next time I see him.....

> Ok...I stepping off the soapbox....
>
> One Penny, Another Penny <----My two cents! LOL

and it was worth a lot more than two cents! you have good reason for getting
up on that soapbox.

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