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Jack  Ricci - 18 Feb 2005 04:39 GMT
I took Vioxx for years, for almost as long as it was available. I took
the full dose daily and do not think it affected me adversely. All
along, the drug was referred to as an ANTI-INFLAMMATORY. I am sure that
it helped the osteoarthritis that I have. After Vioxx was taken off the
market, I switched to Bextra, as helpful as Vioxx,feeling that the
inflammation in my joints was kept at bay with these anti-
inflammatories. Eventually, on my doctor's advice, I also gave up Bextra.

And here is my question:

When Vioxx was taken off the market,and very suddenly, it underwent a
complete name change. It was no longer called "anti-inflammatory" but
became "PAIN-KILLER." I have thought and thought about the switch,
"painkiller" implies "bad" drugs, narcotics and the like, thus fearing
addiction, a real incentive to cause one to stop using these scary
"pain-killers." What happened to the "anti-inflammatory" that conveyed a
real attack on all the joints that were inflammed by arthritis? Who
thought up this clever disguise?

Did anyone else notice this change?
d'huit - 18 Feb 2005 05:19 GMT
>I took Vioxx for years, for almost as long as it was available. I took
> the full dose daily and do not think it affected me adversely. All
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>
> Did anyone else notice this change?

yep.  blame it on the press, this time.  sloppy journalism.

kate
Nann Bell - 18 Feb 2005 15:01 GMT
> yep.  blame it on the press, this time.  sloppy journalism.

my thought, too.  Though rather than calling it sloppy, I call it
over-simplification.  Too often the press thinks it needs to over-simplify
stuff for the general public.  But I also think it has a lot to do with how
Vioxx was marketed here in the US.  Remember all those annoying ads on TV?  
Talking about "for the pain of osteoarthritis"?  Those set up the image of it
as a pain killer in the public's mind.

Of course if you have the time and energy, you could make a pest of yourself,
emailing the various press agencies when you hear them misrepresent Vioxx.  
It may not change anything, but I find I feel better sometimes for having
made the effort to set them straight.  LOL  In fact, a letter tothe editor in
your local paper after the next story appears might actually get a few local
folks to pay more attention.  Smaller organizations  tend to be more
responsive.  Hmmmmm, I wonder what the NY Times has been calling Vioxx with
the historic insistence on accuracy.  Well, I'm just running off at the brain
here.

Oh, and my RD has no problem with folks who have normal hearts staying on
Bextra.  The study that's oput there was done on bypass patients and he
hasn't seen any problems with his patients who don't have heart issues.   And
he's a pretty sharp guy, I'm trusting him on this for now.

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Caroline Marold - 18 Feb 2005 22:44 GMT
Yep, not sure which one of the regulars brought it up
before but this has been talked about. Love to see a
drug addict try to get a high off Vioxx.
Duckie

> yep.  blame it on the press, this time.  sloppy journalism.
>
> kate

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spodosaurus - 18 Feb 2005 10:32 GMT
Jack Ricci wrote:
> I took Vioxx for years, for almost as long as it was available. I took
> the full dose daily and do not think it affected me adversely. All
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Did anyone else notice this change?

You can probably find me griping on several occaisons in this newsgroup
about the use of the term 'painkillers' for anti-inflamatory medications
by the US media. I find it extremely distasteful that so-called
'educated' people would provide misleading 'news' to the American people
(and via the Internet the global community) by grouping anti inflamatory
medications in with the narcotic painkillers because that's what's going
 to beat up the most interest in the half truths they're peddling.

People read (or hear) 'painkiller' and they think of Rush Limbaugh or
some other addict, which is exactly what the press wants, because it
gets more readers/viewers/listeners and it also makes it easier for
these drugs to be banned or restricted 'for our own safety', which is
also horseshit half the time (I don't know anyone taking 800mg/day of
celebrex!!!).

Okay, I'm going to stop ranting now. I have deliberately not posted here
in a couple of days because I'm upset at the passing of one of our
community and those feelings could fuel this tirade for several pages.

Ari

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Harvey R. Stone - 18 Feb 2005 14:28 GMT
> Okay, I'm going to stop ranting now. I have deliberately not posted here
> in a couple of days because I'm upset at the passing of one of our
> community and those feelings could fuel this tirade for several pages.
>
> Ari

But your understanding of what is taking place with the press is right on
and well said.  Please do not worry about the tirade,,,, sometimes things
need to be said just for the honesty of it all.
Harv
Cindy - 18 Feb 2005 13:38 GMT
Actually just yesterday, One of the news headlines was about "Pain
Relievers"...as I take Lortab for OA and FM...I wanted to make sure I saw
the news...It was about Anti Inflammatories....I have to agree with
you...Some where they must have crossed their wires...or they decided they
could get more viewers...I don't know....And while I am here...Thinking of
the Rush Limbaughs and other celebrities who admit to a pain killer
addiction...It really makes me look bad when or at least gives me a guilt
trip over taking the drugs that give me the oppurtunity to at least get part
of my life back...
Cindy
An
>I took Vioxx for years, for almost as long as it was available. I took
> the full dose daily and do not think it affected me adversely. All
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Did anyone else notice this change?
spodosaurus - 18 Feb 2005 15:02 GMT
> Actually just yesterday, One of the news headlines was about "Pain
> Relievers"...as I take Lortab for OA and FM...I wanted to make sure I saw
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Cindy
> An

Just like that moron John McEnroe trying to get himself in the news
again a few years ago claiming he took steroids during his athletic
career so he could make the rounds of the different television shows.
He, and the brilliant press, were completely ignorant (surprise!): he
took corticosteroids for inflamatory injuries. I guess half of us on
this newsgroup should look like the Governor of California did back in
the late 70s, after all, we're just chock full of steroid users here!

>>I took Vioxx for years, for almost as long as it was available. I took
>>the full dose daily and do not think it affected me adversely. All
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>>
>>Did anyone else notice this change?

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spodosaurus - 18 Feb 2005 15:18 GMT
>> Actually just yesterday, One of the news headlines was about "Pain
>> Relievers"...as I take Lortab for OA and FM...I wanted to make sure I
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> this newsgroup should look like the Governor of California did back in
> the late 70s, after all, we're just chock full of steroid users here!

I meant the current governor of california...I don't know who the
governor of california was back in the late 70s...

>>> I took Vioxx for years, for almost as long as it was available. I took
>>> the full dose daily and do not think it affected me adversely. All
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>>>
>>> Did anyone else notice this change?

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I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

Mike-UK - 18 Feb 2005 16:21 GMT
> I took Vioxx for years, for almost as long as it was available. I took
> the full dose daily and do not think it affected me adversely. All
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Did anyone else notice this change?

Easy money says the shareholders of the companies did. :\

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Rosemarie Shiver - 18 Feb 2005 17:44 GMT
  The FDA says today that there are similar problems concerning Celebrex as
with the other Cox-II inhibitors, but there is no recommendation for removal
of it.

  And Merck announced they're bringing Vioxx back. :-)

   The problem is really with those who already have had a heart bypass or
are in great need of one. For the rest of us Gimps, the Cox-II's are still a
viable option.

  My doc never did take me off my Bextra. <g> Happy yer getting your Vioxx
back!

Hugs from Rosie

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> I took Vioxx for years, for almost as long as it was available. I took
> the full dose daily and do not think it affected me adversely. All
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Did anyone else notice this change?
diclidophora@yahoo.co.uk - 18 Feb 2005 17:54 GMT
The European advice is that these COX-2s should not be prscribed for
patients who have suffered a stroke or who have ischemic heart disease.

More on this at

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> The FDA says today that there are similar problems concerning Celebrex as
> with the other Cox-II inhibitors, but there is no recommendation for removal
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> >
> > Did anyone else notice this change?
Gwen Love - 18 Feb 2005 22:38 GMT
Rosie, that's really good news for those who could take Vioxx without bad
side effects.  It was wonderful for my OA, but it did cause high bp and
edema.  And I already have coronary artery disease, and had a heart attack.
Wish I could take it!
Gwen

>    The FDA says today that there are similar problems concerning Celebrex as
> with the other Cox-II inhibitors, but there is no recommendation for removal
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> >
> > Did anyone else notice this change?
Cindy - 19 Feb 2005 14:43 GMT
Yes that was on the news last night...And once again they were calling it
Pain Reliever....YIKES!!!!!!
>   The FDA says today that there are similar problems concerning Celebrex
> as
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>>
>> Did anyone else notice this change?
RoseB - 20 Feb 2005 16:59 GMT
>Yes that was on the news last night...And once again they were calling it
>Pain Reliever....YIKES!!!!!!

MSNBC has a page where you can vote on whether or not you would still
take these cox II drugs, and also the opportunity to email your
opinion. I did email and mentioned how these drugs are misrepresented.
It may not do any good at all, but if enough of us sent emails, maybe
they would take notice.
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CNBCTV/Promos/P110116.asp

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Gwen Love - 20 Feb 2005 20:38 GMT
I did the same Rose.  Let's hope it helps.  BTW, Happy Birthday!
Gwen

> >Yes that was on the news last night...And once again they were calling it
> >Pain Reliever....YIKES!!!!!!
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>      Please remove "Ima" to reply.
RoseB - 20 Feb 2005 22:41 GMT
>I did the same Rose.  Let's hope it helps.  BTW, Happy Birthday!
>Gwen

Thank-you.

Well, I think we should avail ourselves of each opportunity to speak
our minds on this issue.

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d'huit - 21 Feb 2005 15:03 GMT
i took the time to use that squwak@cnbc.com  e-addy to reiterate walt's and
cush's salient points about the subject, and then a few of my own about
shallow, slanted and irresponsible "soundbite journalism", in print and
airwave media on subjects that create hysteria and cause millions of already
suffering people to suffer more.  thank you for posting the link rose.

kate

>>Yes that was on the news last night...And once again they were calling it
>>Pain Reliever....YIKES!!!!!!
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>     Please remove "Ima" to reply.
RoseB - 22 Feb 2005 00:20 GMT
>i took the time to use that squwak@cnbc.com  e-addy to reiterate walt's and
>cush's salient points about the subject, and then a few of my own about
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>
>kate
Good on you Katie, old girl!! (KIDDING)
Glad you did it.
I don't know how much good it will do but, we need to start speaking
out.
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Nathan Engle - 23 Feb 2005 18:09 GMT
Jack Ricci wrote:
> And here is my question:
>
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>
> Did anyone else notice this change?

I sure did, and it has made me scream in outrage over the
half-truth fictions that our mainstream media outlets try to
pass off as accurate news.  Vioxx is not a "pain killer".  A
reduction in pain was purely a side-effect of its use, albeit
one that was the intended effect unlike all the heart stuff.

It's often occurred to me that our country has a borderline-
retarded drugs policy, and with this recent set of botched
nomenclature it's easy to understand how the majority of our
people would make decisions that are based on little more
than prejudice and fiction.

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