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d'huit - 15 Feb 2005 22:50 GMT
epidural will be done friday at 8 a.m.  have to be there at 7:30 a.m. for
sedation beforehand.  (i guess the doctors in this state like to do these
procedures before anyone gets a chance to wake up fully.LOL)  i can drive to
the procedure, but will have to take a cab home and let my son pick up my
car when he gets home from work.  the place is within 3 miles of where i
live--was there for my sinus cat scan, actually, and didn't know it, but
they still had me in their computer for that.   (i now remember that
radiologist/doctor---very kind man, if he's the same one.)  their office
will be calling me for the 15 minute pre-epidural consult appmt. time for
wednesday or thursday and for the pre-procedure info.

i was once again told, by a different person, that this dr. alex is very
gentle and empathetic with patients who have to undergo needle
procedures---good, and if he's the one i remember, he was very considerate
and compassionate.  she said the procedure does involve some degree of pain,
so dr. alex prefers to sedate his patients and not just use a local.  i
misunderstood the other gal to say he only used lidocaine---the lidocaine is
for the site injection.  interesting, local and general both used at the
same time.  that's even better, cuz i'm getting to be such a total wuss
about these things.  and that means i get to sleep all day friday!  doesn't
it?  if it does, yaaaaay!  i'm soooo ready for some real sleep.

hmmm . . . guess i better dig up a local cab company phone number and put
that in my wallet.  that is, unless one of you wants to hop on a
plane?<wondering---can fingers on a keyboard be wistful?>

kate
(relax---wiggle your toes, katie, wiggle your toes.)
d'huit - 15 Feb 2005 23:34 GMT
i called them back, just a couple of minutes ago, to make sure they received
the faxed mri report, in addition to dr. mary's order.  since i knew from
the prior phone call that they still had me on the computer, i asked her to
check to see which radiologist did my sinus cat scan before that surgery.
it WAS dr. alex.  i am soooooo comfortable knowing he's going to be doing
epidural.  he really IS very kind and compassionate.  so, i told them i
won't need the special consult to get comfortable with the doctor, afterall.
heck, i already know him and am comfortable with him.  they're going to have
somebody call me tomorrow or the next day anyhow, with the pre-procedure
protocols.  whew!  what a relief!

kate

> epidural will be done friday at 8 a.m.  have to be there at 7:30 a.m. for
> sedation beforehand.  (i guess the doctors in this state like to do these
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> kate
> (relax---wiggle your toes, katie, wiggle your toes.)
Gwen Love - 16 Feb 2005 00:00 GMT
Kate, God is good!  So glad you already know the dotor and will not be
worried about that.  And as you say, sleep is good.  Enjoy it.  Wish I were
able to catch a plane and be there for you; would love to drive you to the
doctor and home.
Gwen

> i called them back, just a couple of minutes ago, to make sure they received
> the faxed mri report, in addition to dr. mary's order.  since i knew from
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> > kate
> > (relax---wiggle your toes, katie, wiggle your toes.)
d'huit - 16 Feb 2005 07:08 GMT
> Kate, God is good!  So glad you already know the dotor and will not be
> worried about that.  And as you say, sleep is good.  Enjoy it.  Wish I
> were
> able to catch a plane and be there for you; would love to drive you to the
> doctor and home.
> Gwen

auuuwwww . . . you are such a sweet, good friend, gwen.  thank you.

kate

>> i called them back, just a couple of minutes ago, to make sure they
> received
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>> > kate
>> > (relax---wiggle your toes, katie, wiggle your toes.)
Sunny52 - 16 Feb 2005 12:45 GMT
So glad you will have a dr you are comfortable with.  I can't be there
in person, but certainly in spirit.  Rest comfortably knowing your
friends are thinking of you and wishing you well.

Take care.
Bonnie
Joan Carter - 16 Feb 2005 00:01 GMT
> guess i better dig up a local cab company phone number and put
>that in my wallet.  that is, unless one of you wants to hop on a
>plane?<wondering---can fingers on a keyboard be wistful?>

Kate, I have often hovered in an O.R. or treatment room on my broom, making sure
that doctors do their job properly. If you like, I could be there for you and
give you a lift home afterwards. You don't have a fear of flying, do you? :-)
---
Joan
Janet R - 16 Feb 2005 02:17 GMT
We are holding your hand!

Janet R

> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:50:09 -0800, "d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast.2net>
> wrote
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> ---
> Joan
d'huit - 16 Feb 2005 07:19 GMT
> We are holding your hand!
>
> Janet R

thank you, sweetness.  that will be perfect.

kate

>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:50:09 -0800, "d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast.2net>
>> wrote
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>> ---
>> Joan
d'huit - 16 Feb 2005 07:18 GMT
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:50:09 -0800, "d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast.2net>
> wrote
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> ---
> Joan

LOL!    fear of flying?---not this kid.  i loved being in an airplane in a
lightening storm over seattle; love being in hot air balloons and in
helicopters, too.  a broom would be like being on a motorcycle in the sky,
without the noise (did i mention i had a motorcycle in college?). i can dig
it!<smile>  let's go for it, joan!  kate
(w0w . . . something really cool to look forward to. ???)
Carole - 16 Feb 2005 00:04 GMT
> epidural will be done friday at 8 a.m.  have to be there at 7:30 a.m. for
> sedation beforehand.  (i guess the doctors in this state like to do these
> procedures before anyone gets a chance to wake up fully.LOL)

I concur on that one! I have to be at the hospital on Thursday at 6am
for the procedure at 7:30am. I am praying that I can sleep through it!
They said I'd be in lala land, I just hope so. I don't know if they'll
allow me to have it, but I'm taking my walkman so I can listen to music
and drown out whatever is going on as I don't want to know.

> hmmm . . . guess i better dig up a local cab company phone number and put
> that in my wallet.  that is, unless one of you wants to hop on a
> plane? <wondering---can fingers on a keyboard be wistful?>

I'm doing the same. They said I wouldn't be allowed to drive home
because of the drugs they'll be giving me. One of my friends will drive
me back to the hospital after dinner Thursday night so I can get my car.
If I'm not feeling up to it, she said her hubby would come and he could
drive my car back home.

Hugs,
Carole :)
Caroline Marold - 16 Feb 2005 05:32 GMT
Okay -- Carole Thursday morn and Kate Friday morn. I
think I have that straight. And I was just about to
send you what I have ready for my web site. Not going
to bother you now unless you think you will be bored at
home. I always think I am going to do so much while
laid up and then don't feel like doing anything so I
will just wait. :)
Duckie

>> epidural will be done friday at 8 a.m.  have to be there at 7:30 a.m.
>> for sedation beforehand.  (i guess the doctors in this state like to
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> Hugs,
> Carole :)

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Carole - 16 Feb 2005 05:47 GMT
Yup, you've got it right.

As for the website, let me see what happens on Thursday as everything is
up in the air at this point.  I feel ok, and I've been doing a bit of
reading while I'm home, but I get tired really fast. I'm hoping the meds
he gave me will start doing something and make me feel better.

Hugsies,
Carole

> Okay -- Carole Thursday morn and Kate Friday morn. I think I have that
> straight. And I was just about to send you what I have ready for my web
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>> Hugs,
>> Carole :)
Kimmy - 16 Feb 2005 10:38 GMT
Kate,

I'm so glad things are looking up :)

Prayers continuing that the epi goes well and really helps!!

Love ya,
Kimmy
d'huit - 16 Feb 2005 07:06 GMT
((((((((((((((((carole)))))))))))))))))  boy, i missed a lot during the
construction around here.  had to do some searching to find out what
procedure you were undergoing on thurs. morning and how you've been doing
with that bronchitis problem.  you are certainly in my prayers and being
sent healing vibes, sweetie.  btw, you will be in lalaland, hon and won't
care about your walkman, because you will be sedated and will sleep through
the entire procedure, as you hoped you would--and you can request that, to
make sure they know you want that.  and you won't be up for getting your car
that night, because they will want you to take it very easy for at least 24
hours afterwards, no driving---so just enjoy being the "queen of lazzzz"
(meaning, lazy lounging) during that time.<smile>  sweet that your friend's
hubby will get your car for you.  that's perfect!  wishing you a perfect
procedure with the best possible outcome, carole.

kate

>> epidural will be done friday at 8 a.m.  have to be there at 7:30 a.m. for
>> sedation beforehand.  (i guess the doctors in this state like to do these
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> Hugs,
> Carole :)
Carole - 16 Feb 2005 07:24 GMT
Thanks, Kate. I called the cab company today and it's approx $15 from
the hospital to my house, so I'm thinking of taking the cab both ways.
There has been black ice up here the last couple of days and I don't
know that I want to drive in that at 5:30am as I will be nervous enough.
So I'm trying to decide what to do.

Hugs,
Carole

> ((((((((((((((((carole)))))))))))))))))  boy, i missed a lot during the
> construction around here.  had to do some searching to find out what
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>>Hugs,
>>Carole :)
d'huit - 16 Feb 2005 08:29 GMT
> Thanks, Kate. I called the cab company today and it's approx $15 from the
> hospital to my house, so I'm thinking of taking the cab both ways. There
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> Hugs,
> Carole

that sounds like a good plan, hon!  then you won't have to worry about your
car, too.  ((((((carole)))))  you're gonna be ok, sweetie.  somehow, i just
know you are.  you and me both can just focus on wiggling our toes when we
get nervous, ok?<smile>

kate

>> ((((((((((((((((carole)))))))))))))))))  boy, i missed a lot during the
>> construction around here.  had to do some searching to find out what
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>>>Hugs,
>>>Carole :)
Carole - 16 Feb 2005 19:30 GMT
> that sounds like a good plan, hon!  then you won't have to worry about your
> car, too.  ((((((carole)))))  you're gonna be ok, sweetie.  somehow, i just
> know you are.  you and me both can just focus on wiggling our toes when we
> get nervous, ok?<smile>
>
> kate

Yea, I've decided on the cab both ways. I just called and ordered the
cab for 5:30 so I'll be there by 6am for sure. I have to tell you that I
was fine yesterday, but today I'm a mess. I woke up nervous and I'm
wiggling my toes but it's not helping. I do have to do a few errands
today...have to run to the bank to get some cashola for the cab and I
have to get a few things in here as I'm sure I won't want to go shopping
for the next couple of days.

Hugsies,
Carole
d'huit - 17 Feb 2005 01:23 GMT
>> that sounds like a good plan, hon!  then you won't have to worry about
>> your car, too.  ((((((carole)))))  you're gonna be ok, sweetie.  somehow,
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> Hugsies,
> Carole

taxi both ways is an even better idea.  ((((((((((((((carole))))))))))))  i
hear you, sweetie.  i'm officially nervous now, too.   but i'm not supposed
to be told that santa claus doesn't exist (that wiggling my toes doesn't
work). ???  i'll be there holding your hand with the rest of your asa
family, tomorrow---so, i think you must have HUGE hands, or else we'll have
to take turns.<smile>  hang in there, hon.  you'll be through it before you
know it.  sending you thoughts of a warm, sunny beach with the soothing
rhythms of ocean waves smoothly washing on shore and washing away your
jitters, making room for the serenity that rises from your deeper places
within you.

kate
Carole - 17 Feb 2005 03:37 GMT
> taxi both ways is an even better idea.  ((((((((((((((carole))))))))))))  i
> hear you, sweetie.  i'm officially nervous now, too.   but i'm not supposed
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>
> kate

Thanks, Kate. And that warm sunny beach sounds wonderful. So does the
spa where they are having Melinda's birthday party. What I'd give for a
massage when all this is over!

Carole
Gwen Love - 17 Feb 2005 04:39 GMT
Kate,  " hang in there, hon.  you'll be through it before you
know it.  sending you thoughts of a warm, sunny beach with the soothing
rhythms of ocean waves smoothly washing on shore and washing away your
jitters, making room for the serenity that rises from your deeper places
within you."

Just read that to yourself and stop being nervous.  The discomfort you will
have Friday will be worth it for good sleeping and a loss of pain.  Be
strong, my dear, and get the help you need.
Love you.  Gwen

> >> that sounds like a good plan, hon!  then you won't have to worry about
> >> your car, too.  ((((((carole)))))  you're gonna be ok, sweetie.  somehow,
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>
> kate
PattyDFX1 - 16 Feb 2005 00:14 GMT
d'huit wrote:dr. alex is very
> gentle and empathetic with patients...does involve some degree of
pain,
> so dr. alex prefers to sedate his patients and not just use a local.

Kate...
  Good news! This is way better than before. Exactly the way things
should be!You were too rushed and unprepared before. I really didn't
like how you were being pushed around. This doctor and his staff seem
kind and compassionate. That'll make everything easier. I'm glad you're
being sedated. Versed, an amnesiac, is often used, along with a pain
med like fentanyl to keep you comfortable. This type of light sedation
wears off quickly afterwards, which is why it's often used for these
procedures. I'm also very happy that the procedure's being done under
x-ray (fluoroscope). It's a lot safer. This doc seems like he's right
on top of things and truly cares about his patients' well-being. That's
just what you need. I'm so glad you waited until you found him. I'll be
right there with you...holding your hand and sending up prayers that
you will FINALLY get some relief from this awful pain and a whole bunch
of good nights' sleep : )
--
Hugs, Patty
Hoping your hills are never too steep.
d'huit - 16 Feb 2005 07:31 GMT
> d'huit wrote:dr. alex is very
>> gentle and empathetic with patients...does involve some degree of
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> --
> Hugs, Patty

waaaaaaay better. thanks, patty.  this procedure now feels so much better
and more suited to me.  and i already know this doctor is perfect for my
weird personality.<smile>  the medical bum's rush, without enough info,
always makes me want to dig in my heels or just want to run in the opposite
direction for high ground.  i know that's defense mechanism, but i remember
being without defense mechanisms and that did not serve me well.  i am
soooooo looking forward to some relief.  really ready for it.  i keep
imagining what sleeping through the night will be like again and hoping this
will be enough pain relief to provide that opportunity.

kate

> Hoping your hills are never too steep.
Nann Bell - 16 Feb 2005 00:31 GMT
sounds great all around, katie.  Can't hop on a plane as I have too many
appointments this week, but I promise to keep my prayers and thoughts on you.
Let's see, with the time difference you should be done before I walk into my
dentist's office Friday so I'll expect you to be home and sleeping happily by
then.  :)

(heehee, they tried to schedule my neck PT before the dentist to no avail, so
I get to go to PT with a numbed up mouth.  Should be interesting.  At least
they are next door to each other and I can take a little nap on the traction
table before driving home.)

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d'huit - 16 Feb 2005 07:37 GMT
> sounds great all around, katie.  Can't hop on a plane as I have too many
> appointments this week, but I promise to keep my prayers and thoughts on
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> traction
> table before driving home.)

<smiling>  thanks, sweetie.  w0w . . . you have a busy day on friday, too!
hope it all works out well and that you feel better.  btw, how did mike's
dental appmt go for you, on the 3rd, afterwards i mean?

kate

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Mary Z - 16 Feb 2005 01:06 GMT
>epidural will be done friday at 8 a.m.  have to be there at 7:30 a.m. for
>sedation beforehand.  (i guess the doctors in this state like to do these
>procedures before anyone gets a chance to wake up fully.LOL)  i can drive to
>the procedure, but will have to take a cab home and let my son pick up my
>car when he gets home from work.

Good for you Kate some times you need to take a deep breath and pause
before you take the plunge.  I hope this feels right to you.  -- MZ

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Harvey R. Stone - 16 Feb 2005 02:02 GMT
> Good for you Kate some times you need to take a deep breath and pause
> before you take the plunge.  I hope this feels right to you.  -- MZ

My thoughts too.
Harv
d'huit - 16 Feb 2005 07:40 GMT
>> Good for you Kate some times you need to take a deep breath and pause
>> before you take the plunge.  I hope this feels right to you.  -- MZ
>>
> My thoughts too.
> Harv

thanks, harv.  i hope you are faring much better these days.

kate
Harvey R. Stone - 16 Feb 2005 13:12 GMT
> thanks, harv.  i hope you are faring much better these days.
>
> kate

Hi Kate,    You know that the power of prayer goes with you later this week.
I am just now starting to pull out of my lung problems.  I still cough a
great deal but there is a reason for that to get a great deal of fluid out
of my lungs.  On the good side,  I have not gone into a flare and its been
almost two weeks without an Enbrel shot.   Ya know,,,  its going to be a
long time before I forget the day I was cleaning up winters leaves and got
so out of breath that just sitting down was not enough for things to get
back to normal.   I think I looked into deaths door that day.  It was enough
to make me get the proper help.   RA lung is serious business and will get
the proper respect from me from now on.

     I hope you are still in love with your new car and got a good price
for the old one.
Harv
d'huit - 16 Feb 2005 07:39 GMT
>>epidural will be done friday at 8 a.m.  have to be there at 7:30 a.m. for
>>sedation beforehand.  (i guess the doctors in this state like to do these
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> Good for you Kate some times you need to take a deep breath and pause
> before you take the plunge.  I hope this feels right to you.  -- MZ

yeah, it does, maryz, really does feel right this time.  and i think you're
right about needing to take a deep breath and pause before plunging, too.
thanks, kid.

kate

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DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 16 Feb 2005 16:33 GMT
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> epidural will be done friday at 8 a.m.  have to be there at 7:30 a.m. for
> sedation beforehand.  (i guess the doctors in this state like to do these
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> kate
> (relax---wiggle your toes, katie, wiggle your toes.)
d'huit - 17 Feb 2005 02:01 GMT
> Oh if only I had the money, honey, I would BE THERE!!
>
> DeeTee

as it now stands, maybe even i won't be there.

kate
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>> kate
>> (relax---wiggle your toes, katie, wiggle your toes.)
Skip - 17 Feb 2005 01:36 GMT
Makes all the difference having a doc you trust  :)
Do they really let you take a cab home?    That would be great.  I have some
day surgery awhile back, and they wouldn't let me leave unless I had someone
to take me home.  Felt bad asking my friends to take time off work just for
a car ride.  Hopefully you get sedation instead of a general (g).  Of course
tucking yourself into bed for a day of naps - well, that's my idea of a nice
day (bg)

I'd go ith you if I could but I'll just have to settle for sending cyberhugs
from the great white north instead  :-)

Katharine

> epidural will be done friday at 8 a.m.  have to be there at 7:30 a.m. for
> sedation beforehand.  (i guess the doctors in this state like to do these
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> kate
> (relax---wiggle your toes, katie, wiggle your toes.)
d'huit - 17 Feb 2005 02:11 GMT
> Makes all the difference having a doc you trust  :)
> Do they really let you take a cab home?    That would be great.  I have
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>
> Katharine

ayup.  they said a taxi would be ok.  this isn't nearly as invasive as
surgery is.  i was hoping they'd knock me out or nearly do so.  now it seems
like they need me to feel the pain so they can tell what they're doing, even
with the floroscope tv monitor.  uhhh . . . i hate when medicos' gatekeepers
tell you one thing and then you get told another by an assistant tech who
gives you the pre-procedure protocols and then you have to wait for the real
tech to tell you more.  i should have stuck with the consult, instead of
cancelling it.

kate

>> epidural will be done friday at 8 a.m.  have to be there at 7:30 a.m. for
>> sedation beforehand.  (i guess the doctors in this state like to do these
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>> kate
>> (relax---wiggle your toes, katie, wiggle your toes.)
 
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