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saw my neurologist yesterday . . .
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d'huit - 01 Feb 2005 17:50 GMT at yesterday's appointment, my neurologist said the emg confirmed what the mri indicated was happening--- the beginnings of progressive nerve damage and a chronic left lumbar radiculopathy because of a herniated and collapsed disc with leakage. i will be having an epidural/s (cortisone injections--i think that's what they use, isn't it?) between L5-S1, mainly because i didn't elect surgery. i'm still so hoping to avoid it. the surgeon who will do the epi wanted to read my entire file first, so my neuro had to fax that over to them. the surgeon's office just called and my appmt. is for 7:30am tomorrow morning in tacoma, about 12-15 miles from here, as close as i can figure the distance. she said this will be a minimum series of 3 injections (possibly 4, but they don't like to do 4 if they don't have to, depending on how well i do). one tomorrow and one more for each of two additional appointments---is that normal? i thought it was a one time shot. i have to drive myself----will i be ok doing that? she said they prefer that i have somebody drive me the first time or have a backup plan the first time.
the rest of this is kinda long and off topic--- about whether or not i did ok in buying a new vehicle. so, you don't have to read any further if you're just interested in the arthritis stuff. i'm sorry i haven't been able to keep up on asa, you guys. i'm just so very tired and still trying to function cogently on so little sleep. got only 3 hours sleep last night and 3 hours the night before, which the best i can do lately. i think my lack of sleep is sustaining a headache. what a wuss, eh.
on a lighter note---after a year and a half of thinking about it, researching and trying out different vehicles, i bought a new vehicle. it's a 2005 toyota rav4, got it for $89 over invoice, which i made the salesman make a xerox copy of off the vehicle window's invoice ( i checked that out item for item on the web at several urls---theirs was only off by ten bucks total, so i figured i was dealing with an honest dealership on that score). the $89 over invoice includes lifetime oil changes/lube jobs/car washes/vacuuming each 3000 miles, for as long as i own the car and i got them to include an extended bumper to bumper/drivetrain 7yr/75000 mile warrantee (instead of toyota's standard 5/60,000 drivetrain and 3/36,000 bumper to bumper), including free roadside service and free loaner car anytime the vehicle is worked on, aside from the routine oil change stuff---all stipulated in the contract.
i had it also stipulated in the contract that if i don't like the cloth seats "for any reason", that they will replace the cloth seats with leather "at anytime" during my ownership of the vehicle (this model was supposed to have come with heated leather seats, but the cloth seats were a factory goof. so they couldn't charge me for leather seats and i made sure, in my contract, that they won't, even when the time comes that i do go for leather, which i will<smile> (when i'm more rested).
i picked up on (overheard two other salesmen talking about this vehicle) the fact they were going to trade several trucks and this particular vehicle off to another dealership cuz they gave up on trying to sell it in a particular time frame. (and, i deduced, at the time, that the dealership didn't want to pay our state's high inventory tax on it, had it on the lot too long, as part of the reason for the trading?). but i saw it first--- blocked in by and among the trucks ready to be traded off.<smile> i almost didn't buy the vehicle because the cloth on the seats looks like it might snag easily and so, they allowed me to stipulate my option about the leather seats in the contract. the shape of the front seats are wonderfully comfortable on my back.
i've yet to find a headrest in any make or model vehicle that i checked out, over these months, that is comfortable for my neck. they all cause pain when i lean against them, no matter how i adjust them. i'm thinking about buying a memory foam pillow and cutting it up, until i figure out the exact right size and thickness for the headrest and my neck. then, thinking of taking the memory foam piece to an upholsterer and having a removable soft leather sleeve made to fit snugly over the headrest, to hold the foam in place on the headrest. i'm thinking velcro closures, to secure the sleeve and make it removeable. does this headrest idea sound like a dumb one?
i paid two high school boys to clean and detail my seville and now have a for sale sign on it out front. (i'm gonna miss my polar baby, when she goes.) had it out front 10 minutes and somebody stopped to see it----a lookie-loo. have a call about it i have to return shortly. sooo, she might be sold faster than i thought. i'm using the kelly blue book web site's private party price for just "good conditon" (but she looks beautiful, impecable paint, clean engine and clean inside and out---even the trunk looks like you could eat in there after the boys got through with it.LOL) and was glad i didn't trade it in for $500, which was all the dealership would give me for it, after they and i agreed the rest of the deal on the rav4. kelly blue book said my seville should fetch $2185. dunno. but i figure anything over $500 is better than trading it in.
i guess i'm blathering on about all this, hoping somebody will tell me if i did the right things in the way i went about everything and if i did right by myself. it's been since 1974 that i bought a brand new car for myself, all by myself, and sure hope i remembered all the tricks my uncle taught me about doing that.
kate
Rebecca Ford - 01 Feb 2005 18:47 GMT kate,
I'm using you to negotiate next time I buy a new car. You are one smart, tough cookie. I'd also try the memory foam thing just to see if it works. As to the injections, I have no clue but I sure hope it brings relief. I would try to get someone to drive, though, if only because I worry about you driving with so little sleep in addition to the injections. I hope it all goes well and I'll be sending out good thoughts.
 Signature Rebecca Ford
> at yesterday's appointment, my neurologist said the emg confirmed what the > mri indicated was happening--- the beginnings of progressive nerve damage [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > > kate d'huit - 01 Feb 2005 21:14 GMT > kate, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you driving with so little sleep in addition to the injections. I hope it > all goes well and I'll be sending out good thoughts. thank you, rebecca. that sure makes me feel better about whether or not i did ok. i tried calling my son on his cell, while at work, so he could see if his boss would let him have a few hours off. but i think he's as bad as i am with a cell and turns it off.LOL everybody else i know works. might line up a cab. thank you for the good thoughts for tomorrow.
kate
>> at yesterday's appointment, my neurologist said the emg confirmed what >> the mri indicated was happening--- the beginnings of progressive nerve [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] >> >> kate Gwen Love - 01 Feb 2005 18:57 GMT Kate, I was going to email you today if you had not posted cause I was worried! Glad you're getting the epidurals and surely hope that will work and you can avoid surgery altogether. My daughter had three epidurals in her back so it seems that is the way to go.
Will you come to Montgomery when I get ready to trade cars, please? You did a terrific job for yourself. I thought I did well when I bought my 1999 Park Avenue, but I think you beat me. Hope it will be as good for you as it seems now, and don't blame you for changing to leather seats. Boy, you drive a hard bargain! Also hope you sell your Seville quickly.
It would be better to have someone to drive you but I guess you do what you have to do. Will be praying for good results and safe trips. Gwen
> at yesterday's appointment, my neurologist said the emg confirmed what the > mri indicated was happening--- the beginnings of progressive nerve damage [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > kate d'huit - 01 Feb 2005 21:31 GMT > Kate, I was going to email you today if you had not posted cause I was > worried! [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > have to do. Will be praying for good results and safe trips. > Gwen thank you, gwen. now, i feel even better about buying the rav4. LOL! gee, i could have a vacation in canada and one in montgomery if i paid a few bucks for a business license and called myself a car buyer's negotiator.LOL business card could read---"cheap thoughts, will travel"LOL truth is, i wasn't sure if i was really on top of it or not. i mean, i know they didn't lose money or they wouldn't have sold it to me.
thank you for telling me 3 epidural shots seems to be the norm. hope those helped your daughter wonderfully well.
i just had a phone call offer of $1700 cash for the seville. asked him to come up with another hundred and it is his. he said his girlfriend just got her income tax so, he'll try to borrow it from her.LOL can you imagine anybody offering to buy a car without even opening the car door, engine compartment or trunk, but this guy did. weird. i know it's a pretty car, but still . . . that's really strange! however, if he's local, he's seen me around in it and has seen how little it is driven.
kate
>> at yesterday's appointment, my neurologist said the emg confirmed what >> the [quoted text clipped - 124 lines] >> >> kate escrita@hotmail.com - 01 Feb 2005 19:11 GMT Hi Kate,
I had my first epidural cortisone shot to the C7 neck area on January 19 -- almost three weeks ago. I was told that I absolutely was not to drive myself, that I had to have someone else drive. It's because of a number of things, but primarily because they use an anaesthetic to partially put you under. You aren't completely anaesthetized, because you need to be able to respond to the doctor as the process is being done.
I can't remember part of the time I spent in the operating room, but I was assured that I was awake and responding. Afterwards, I was wheeled into a ward with several other beds, and allowed to nap to sleep it off. My daughter, who drove me home and waited at the hospital, said I made funny little noises. So I was kind of out of it.
I urge you to find someone to go with you to do the driving on the way home. Also, I had to lie flat on my back pretty much all the rest of that day (doctor's instructions).
I am still taking it pretty easy, trying to remember not to do too much standing or lifting. The shot seems to have helped some. I don't have as much pain as before, although there's still some pain, especially at the end of a day at work.
I was told I can have a total of 6 injections to the neck per year. I'm hoping that this first one will be more and more effective, and that I can put off having any more for a long time.
I also hope that the shot is amazingly and wonderfully effective for you, with instant relief from the pain.
Cheers,
Evelyn, mother of Elena (who has JRA) and Pancha (who has FMS)
> at yesterday's appointment, my neurologist said the emg confirmed what the > mri indicated was happening--- the beginnings of progressive nerve damage [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > <snip> d'huit - 01 Feb 2005 21:38 GMT > Hi Kate, > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Evelyn, mother of Elena (who has JRA) > and Pancha (who has FMS) thank you, evelyn. that helps me know what i might expect to happen. i appreciate that. hope your neck improves greatly, sweetie. instant relief sounds heavenly, to me. i try not to do much lifting, or heavy lifting at all, cuz sometimes i have to sit down on the ground or floor, to let the pain and weakness pass, when i do. but i do a lot of getting up and sitting down frequently, just cuz of pain.
kate
>> at yesterday's appointment, my neurologist said the emg confirmed > what the [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> >> <snip> KJ - 01 Feb 2005 19:42 GMT Hi Kate I had my series of 3 epidurals in the spring. They did work, but are wearing off now. They semi sedated me, so I had to have a driver. I was told that they could do it without sedation if I didn't have a driver, but I would need to stay longer so they could make sure there was no numbness in the legs.
Only post procedure instructions I can remember were to rest for 24 hours.
Really an easy peasy procedure and it did work for me. Hope it does for you too!
~KJ
d'huit - 01 Feb 2005 21:57 GMT > Hi Kate > I had my series of 3 epidurals in the spring. They did work, but are [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ~KJ w0w, kj. i mean, wwww0w! you got almost an entire year's relief from this same procedure?!!! you've made me soooo glad that the surgeon decided he wanted to get me in for it asap. i was a bit nervous when the sect'y handed me off to the nurse because i asked how come the appointment is so soon, when my file was just faxed to them yesterday afternoon; and the nurse told me the doctor read my file and felt i should have it done as soon as possible. yeahhhh, for that kind of relief, i say bring it on! if resting for 24 hours also means instant relief, i'll probably sleep for a week! no lie. i'm not kidding.
wish i could get hold of my son, before he leaves work. i think i'd rather be a little sedated. oh well, there's always taxi cab service.LOL
thanks, sweetie.
kate
KJ - 02 Feb 2005 12:15 GMT It hasn't been 100% releif, maybe 60-70% of the nerve pain was gone. But that is fine with me!!!! I'm trying to hold off on another series until it gets closer to gardening season! He said I could have a series every 9 or 10 months.
Good luck Kate!
~KJ
> w0w, kj. i mean, wwww0w! you got almost an entire year's relief from this > same procedure?!!! you've made me soooo glad that the surgeon decided he > wanted to get me in for it asap. Sunny52 - 01 Feb 2005 19:51 GMT Wow Kate, you drive a hard bargain lol. It sounds like you got a great deal.
I'm sorry, I don't know anything about spinal injections, but I wanted to lend my support and to wish you well.
Take care, Bonnie
Diane - 01 Feb 2005 20:45 GMT kate, i hope these injections do the trick for you. i haven't had them. . . but i am guessing i will at some time in the future when i can't stand the arm/shoulder pain any longer. it sounds like you really should have someone drive you.
i'd love a rav4! you are a smart car buyer. unlike me. when i was shopping for a jeep years ago, i spotted the only red one in the dealership parking lot and ran over to it and said loudly enough for the salespeople inside to hear me, "i want THIS one!" duh.
diane
d'huit - 01 Feb 2005 23:28 GMT > kate, i hope these injections do the trick for you. i haven't had them. > . . but i am guessing i will at some time in the future when i can't [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > diane i just got back from picking up my mri films for the surgeon. stopped at alex's job, which was right on the way. saw mike, alex's boss, straight away and explained the situation. he said no problem and called over alex to let him know. soooo, alex will drive me tomorrow. YAAAAY! i'm sure glad butch and i were introduced to and met mike a few times.LOL
so the color red got you, too, eh? i did the exact same thing when i bought my brand new red 1969 VW bug. "i LOVE that one!!!"LOL boy, did i *ever* get a lecture about car buying from my uncle after that! and i think most of that lecture stuck.LOL so, you see, i'm not all that smart, at all---my uncle just made me a nervous wreck about making a mistake.LOL but what's really funny about that story is that i sold my '69 bug in '70 and it was the only car i ever made a profit on, despite dummy me paying full price for it. the following year the price of the vw bug skyrocketed. talk about luck!LOL
kate
Jo Firey - 01 Feb 2005 23:49 GMT >> kate, i hope these injections do the trick for you. i haven't had them. >> . . but i am guessing i will at some time in the future when i can't [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > kate My Daddy taught me how to buy a car. And how to get a great price. (PS You did great)
But in 1979 I was eating lunch in the park and fell head over heals in love with a new car that drove by. So much so that I went by the dealer before I went back to work and ordered one. As in there was a two month waiting list. Did I pay what they asked? You bet. The only deal I made was when it came in on a Friday the 13th I asked them to hold on to it an extra day.
Charlie didn't know what to think when I came home and told him what I had done. But once I had the car home he came up with every excuse in the book why he needed to drive it.
I must have been asked a couple of hundred times while I owned it if I wanted to sell it. When it was a year old I was offered $1,000 more than I paid for it.
I think at least once everyone deserves to have a car they really love. Or something like that.
Mine was a 1979 Honda Prelude.
Jo
d'huit - 02 Feb 2005 00:33 GMT >>> kate, i hope these injections do the trick for you. i haven't had them. >>> . . but i am guessing i will at some time in the future when i can't [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Jo i love your story, jo and i think charlie must have loved it as much as you did.<smile> i agree with you! i think everyone should have their heart's desire at least once---whether it is a car or something else. and what's not to love about a '79 prelude?! alex still has one sitting in my driveway; he's trying to restore it---seriously. did i mention that when he found out he was driving me tomorrow that the first words out of his mouth were, "we're taking the rav4, right?"lol i think it's a guy thing?lol
kate
Gwen Love - 02 Feb 2005 03:24 GMT Kate, so very glad Alex is going to take you. Gwen
> > kate, i hope these injections do the trick for you. i haven't had them. > > . . but i am guessing i will at some time in the future when i can't [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > kate d'huit - 02 Feb 2005 05:14 GMT me toooooo. cuz i'm getting nervous. kate
> Kate, so very glad Alex is going to take you. > Gwen [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> >> kate Kelly Cobb - 02 Feb 2005 05:40 GMT > me toooooo. cuz i'm getting nervous. > kate No, you are not nervous. That's just anticipation of a good result. It's excitement that you'll soon be feeling better.
Don't you dare think about cancelling the appointment or I will come up there and drag you out from under the bed myself.
Love you, I know you'll be fine. Besides, Alex will be there to make sure you get there and back safely.
Kelly C.;o)
Nann Bell - 02 Feb 2005 15:28 GMT > No, you are not nervous. That's just anticipation of a good result. It's > excitement that you'll soon be feeling better. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Love you, I know you'll be fine. Besides, Alex will be there to make sure > you get there and back safely. That goes for me too!
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d'huit - 01 Feb 2005 23:13 GMT > Wow Kate, you drive a hard bargain lol. It sounds like you got a > great deal. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Take care, > Bonnie thank you, bonnie. it sure helps knowing you think so. i appreciate your wish and support too.
kate
Jo Firey - 01 Feb 2005 21:20 GMT If worst comes to worst, have them call a taxi for you to get home, and then send your son to get your car later.
Jo
> at yesterday's appointment, my neurologist said the emg confirmed what the > mri indicated was happening--- the beginnings of progressive nerve damage [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > > kate d'huit - 01 Feb 2005 23:29 GMT > If worst comes to worst, have them call a taxi for you to get home, and > then send your son to get your car later. > > Jo got it covered now, jo. alex will be driving me :-)
kate
>> at yesterday's appointment, my neurologist said the emg confirmed what >> the mri indicated was happening--- the beginnings of progressive nerve [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] >> >> kate melodymom - 01 Feb 2005 21:34 GMT I'm going to snip around the part I'm answering to cut done on the confusion - mine, that is!
> i will be having an epidural/s (cortisone injections--i > think that's what they use, isn't it?) between L5-S1, mainly because i [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > depending on how well i do). one tomorrow and one more for each of two > additional appointments---is that normal? The doctor who sent me for this treatment in '95 (like the year matters!) said it would probably be a series of 3, w/ cumulative benefit from them. Sounds normal to me!
i thought it was a one time shot.
> i have to drive myself----will i be ok doing that? she said they prefer > that i have somebody drive me the first time or have a backup plan the first > time. Kate, if you can get someone to drive you, do it! It may be a piece of cake for you - or it may not. I didn't have to drive myself, and it was a very good thing. Dave had to get off the freeway and take all the poky back roads cuz it made me so hyper and freaked out that I kept reaching for the door handle. (Stop the world, I want to get off!) Mitigating circs, there, as I hadn't slept more than 15 minutes at a time for nearly a month, and was having terrible sleep deprivation thingies happening anyway, so what I experienced was probably (possibly?) not the norm. I'm sure you can come up with your very own personalized set of reactions, and I don't want to spook you, but better safe than sorry.
If I still had a license I'd go with you to be your backup plan. :( Take my phone # with you. Should you find you don't feel able to drive home, call me. I have three driving daughters who can be counted on to come through in a pinch. (Pinch? Not a comforting word, right? LOL)
Is there horse-trader in your background? ;)
luv&stuff, Denise
d'huit - 01 Feb 2005 23:39 GMT > I'm going to snip around the part I'm answering to cut done on the > confusion - mine, that is! [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > luv&stuff, > Denise what a sweetie, you are! thank you! your daughters will be relieved to know they won't have to pick up this sleep deprived whacko.LOL (i feel almost physically manic---like one minute i want to crash so badly i'm dragging my a$$ and the next, realizing that pain won't let me sleep, i'm walking all over the place, like i think i can walk it off or something.)
alex is going to drive me afterall.<smile> horse trader?--nope, not a one. but we did have somebody in the family who tried to pay his farm's mortgage off with a revolver (pointed at the bank manager), back during the great depression. hmmm . . . i wonder, can you make car payments that way, too?LOL
kate
Caroline Marold - 01 Feb 2005 21:56 GMT Sounds like you've done the right thing on several fronts. Car sounds great. As to your injections, I would get a friend to drive you if you can. Better safe than sorry. I had John drive me when I had my toes done and the doctor had said I could drive myself. But I was so worried before [nervous really] that I felt better having him there. Meant I didn't have to think about anything. Turned out to be a good thing as I managed to shove my BP to 155/98 from the stress and I could actually feel my heart inside my chest. lol Back to it's happy 120/75 now. Duckie
> at yesterday's appointment, my neurologist said the emg confirmed what the > mri indicated was happening--- the beginnings of progressive nerve damage [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > kate
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d'huit - 01 Feb 2005 23:46 GMT > Sounds like you've done the right thing on several fronts. Car sounds > great. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > to it's happy 120/75 now. > Duckie boy, the positive reinforcement is such music to my ears. makes me feel like i'm allowed to enjoy the rav4 now. alex is going to drive me. y'know, i think you're right about feeling better about having somebody with me, driving, and kj made the rest of it seem much better too. i hear you about the bp rising. mine shot up with the first neurologist appmt.---highest it ever has been and scared me. all better once i got home again. i sooo love asa. you guys are the best!
kate
>> at yesterday's appointment, my neurologist said the emg confirmed what >> the mri indicated was happening--- the beginnings of progressive nerve [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] >> >> kate Karen Palmer - 01 Feb 2005 23:39 GMT Kate I have a 2004 RAV4 and just love it. So far I haven't had any problems with it..its easy to drive and easy to get in and out of. And I wish I had you with me when I negotiated my deal!!! Enjoy the car.. Karen
> at yesterday's appointment, my neurologist said the emg confirmed what the > mri indicated was happening--- the beginnings of progressive nerve damage [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > kate d'huit - 02 Feb 2005 00:18 GMT > Kate I have a 2004 RAV4 and just love it. So far I haven't had any > problems [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Enjoy the car.. > Karen cool that you have one and still love it, karen! y'know, karen, i was really surprised at how easy it was for me to get in and out of it. first, i'm short, then i have a bum leg and i have a bum back. it's just not a joint-killing height to get into or out of and there's plenty of "slide-in/slide-out room".
i'm thinking i must have just gotten extremely lucky and just happened to pick the right vehicle at precisely the right moment for this particular dealership, cuz there was only one rav4 in the dealer-to-dealer trade-off area and a bazillion rav4s where they lined them up for sale on their monsterously huge lot. thank you for confirming that i did ok with the deal i made.
i really like its "metallic everglade" color, which is surprising for me, cuz i really do hate silver or green vehicles (for me, not for somebody else). but, it's such a subtle combination color and it seems to change color with the weather. reminds me of the ocean, for some reason.LOL now, i know i'm tired.LOL
kate
>> at yesterday's appointment, my neurologist said the emg confirmed what >> the [quoted text clipped - 124 lines] >> >> kate Nann Bell - 02 Feb 2005 01:08 GMT We haven't bought a new car since '89, but it sounds to me like you done good. The Rav4 is a really popular vehicle so getting any concessions out of the dealership is a victory.
About the headrest - the truth of the matter is that those are not actually designed to be comfortable for resting your head while in the vehicle. Their main purpose these days is greater safety in accidents by preventing backward whiplash which can sever your spinal cord. I learned more about this than I ever wanted to know when a young doctor I knew just out of residency became a quadrapeligic this way. We don't even try to make them comfortable, we just don't use them to rest our heads against. And we now ALWAYS make sure they are at the right height to protect in case of an accident.
So, whatever you do, be certain you don't affect the underlying integrity of the headrest.
As for the back - the shots are different, they use a series instead of a single shot to treat such situations. Is there anyone who could be a couple of hours late to work that day to give you a ride? It would be so much safer and I'm sure they'd all rather get you home alive. :)
Oh, and to me it certainly is reasonable to try the shots before resorting to surgery. Try the least invasive routes first. It'll also give you a window to learn more.
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d'huit - 02 Feb 2005 05:37 GMT > We haven't bought a new car since '89, but it sounds to me like you done > good. The Rav4 is a really popular vehicle so getting any concessions out [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > window > to learn more. boy, so far the input is positive about how i did with the car. that is such a relief. thank you for yours.
none of the headrests seem to be at the right height for me, but then who the heck is it that knows what that right height is? i don't know the right height and the salesman was no help on that either. in fact, he told me to turn it backwards.LOL i'm also, now thinking that memory foam will absorb part of the impact of my neck against the headrest. my neck has a reverse lordosis and i'm thinking these weird headrests with no neck support have got to make a situation like that even worse. i'm not planning to change the headrest itself, just pad it where my neck would be with the memory foam. is that a bad idea?
got the driving part covered now, nann. my son will be taking me.
boy, i'm nervous. someone told me that some of these surgeons don't use any sedation, muscle relaxants, pain pills, anesthesia at all, to get you out of there and on your way faster. that's scary to me, considering what i watch butch go through without anything. i haven't even met this surgeon yet. appmt at 7:30 am and fill paperwork out; then see him at 7:45 when he's ready to do it. i don't like not knowing who the heck i'm trusting my spine to. that's making me freak out. i'm not going to do this without some kind of something beforehand--- cortisone hurts like heck going into my thumbs or knees. wouldn't it hurt going into my sore back too?
uhohhh . . . i feel a bail out coming, cuz i've got lots of good reasons that i don't like.
kate
> remove the Gator cheer to email me > Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare Kelly Cobb - 02 Feb 2005 05:43 GMT > boy, i'm nervous. someone told me that some of these surgeons don't use any > sedation, muscle relaxants, pain pills, anesthesia at all, to get you out of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > kate Don't even think about bailing out...not an option!
This is tough love, Katie! You need this treatment or you need surgery, right? I know you don't want surgery and you can't afford to put this off any longer.
Deep breaths, calming thoughts, serene blue energy vibes coming your way.
Big squishy hugs, Kelly C.;o)
d'huit - 02 Feb 2005 07:32 GMT >> boy, i'm nervous. someone told me that some of these surgeons don't use > any [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Big squishy hugs, > Kelly C.;o) i know i need relief, a lot. i know i need to be able to sleep, better. but this is really bad, kelly. i don't know anything. this doctor is not a surgeon at all, like i thought he was. he's an anesthesiologist/pain medicine, according to a web search i did. i hate that i don't know anything. i hate that i haven't been told anything about him by my neurologist. this is just too serious a procedure to not even know anything about the doctor who is going to do it, not to even have met him or even know what his specialty is. this is sooooooooo NOT good. i really don't want to do this. this is bad. this is really bad of my neurologist not to have given me any information. this is so wrong to be rushed into it like this. i don't want to do this. i can't do this. this just isn't right. i won't be rushed into this without knowing anything. no way. not my back. i'm not risking my back this way. i'm not cattle to be herded around like just meat to the slaughter. i hate, HATE, loathe, detest doctors that treat their patients like they don't deserve to know anything about what they are getting into or with whom. i'm not doing this. i'm sorry, but this is soooo wrong. and bailing out definitely IS an option, especially when it is my back that is going to be messed with. i'm not doing this, this way. this is wrong. kate
Kelly Cobb - 02 Feb 2005 14:52 GMT ((((Kate))))
How invasive is this epidural? Is it any more involved than what is done for laboring women? Is it more like a spinal tap? I'm asking because I have had an epidural when Rachel was born. It was the only thing I had to control pain during her cesaerean birth, which was a surprise to all of us.
I absolutely do not want to diminish the scale of what's happening here, but if this guy is an anesthesiologist/pain guy then he's probably been doing this for a very long time. Whether you do this or not, your back is not going to get better by itself, you know that for certain. With the procedure you stand a very good chance of having major relief that lasts at least a few months. I know that at this point a few hours would be bliss.
Obviously, the choice to follow through is yours, but I'm hoping you can push through this panic and get some help. By now you're running out the door, I hope and safely in Alex's care. I'm so glad he's going to be there for you.
Kelly C.;o)
debbie m. - 03 Feb 2005 00:12 GMT Kate,
If I'm not mistaken these are the docs that give the epidurals. They do them all the time. Call someone in the morning, someone that you trust, you PCP, etc and ask if they would recommend this doc. It could mean a lot of relief for you.
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> ((((Kate)))) > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Kelly C.;o) Nann Bell - 02 Feb 2005 15:29 GMT > i know i need relief, a lot. i know i need to be able to sleep, better. > but this is really bad, kelly. i don't know anything. this doctor is not a > surgeon at all, like i thought he was. he's an anesthesiologist/pain > medicine, according to a web search i did. Ok, first of all, Kate, anesthesia/pain doctors do this a lot. I know, I've worked around them. Now remember, epidurals are one form of anesthesia so anesthesiologist do shots into the back a lot that way. They also set permanent anesthesia catheters for chronic spinal problems. You don't need a surgeon for this, you may even be better off with an anesthesiologist who has had specific training in this.
Meanwhile, you are right of course about how patients should be treated. At the same time, remember please that your extreme fatigue is a factor in how you are reacting to things and how you are dealing with your frustrations. I understand. I've been there with the fatigue. But sometimes we ahve to take action ourselves to deal with things. Please, please call the office/clinic where this will be done and ask to discuss it with someone. You might find them quite responsive to your fears and concerns.
If that doesn't allay your fears, might you be able to call Ida again and ask for her guidance? Please do things to face this and work it through rather than living in fear.
((((((((((Kate)))))))))))
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Harvey R. Stone - 02 Feb 2005 13:38 GMT my neck has a reverse
> lordosis and i'm thinking these weird headrests with no neck support have > got to make a situation like that even worse. i'm not planning to change > the headrest itself, just pad it where my neck would be with the memory > foam. is that a bad idea? It can be a good idea because the ride is going to be no where near the ride you are used to and with neck problems where stability is involved,,,, your foam idea could be just the thing. Two draw backs that I can see. one,,,, how to make it look good. two,,,,, you do such a good job that you go to sleep behind the wheel of your car when moving down the road which would make all ideas and problems seem very small.
Harv
Nann Bell - 02 Feb 2005 15:29 GMT > boy, i'm nervous. someone told me that some of these surgeons don't use any > sedation, muscle relaxants, pain pills, anesthesia at all, to get you out of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > uhohhh . . . i feel a bail out coming, cuz i've got lots of good reasons > that i don't like. Hey, no bailing out! Call the surgeon's office and let them know you have some concerns about how he does this. They can get someone to call you and discuss stuff with you. Don't let anticipation of something bad stop you - call them and find out!
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Mary Z - 02 Feb 2005 04:53 GMT >the surgeon's office just called and my appmt. is for >7:30am tomorrow morning in tacoma, about 12-15 miles from here, as close as >i can figure the distance. she said this will be a minimum series of 3 >injections (possibly 4, but they don't like to do 4 if they don't have to, >depending on how well i do). Kate I hope this works. I've never had an epidermal so I have no advice. You deserve some relief.
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d'huit - 02 Feb 2005 05:59 GMT >>the surgeon's office just called and my appmt. is for >>7:30am tomorrow morning in tacoma, about 12-15 miles from here, as close [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Kate I hope this works. I've never had an epidermal so I have no > advice. You deserve some relief. ****thank you, mz. i'd sure like some and some sleep. i have a strong feeling thought, that if i don't like this doctor or if i sense he's holding back information on me, i'm going to walk out of there with no injections. one day is just not enough time for me to digest this stuff, let alone not know who the surgeon is or what he's like. bad stuff could happen, cuz it's my spine he's messing with. i don't even know if this dr. iyengar is any good, what his track record is or anything about him. this is getting scarier and scarier the more i think about how little i know. i know i always have a case of nerves anyhow, but at least i've met the surgeon waaaay before he does anything to me. i've got some bad vibes about feeling so rushed and not even having a chance to talk to him first.
> The Rav 4 is a good vehicle and sometimes you can not negotiate the > price down as much with a toyota. With all wheel drive you should be > able to get anywhere. You done good lady! -- MZ ****w0w. i must have REALLY gotten lucky with this one! thanks, mary. it's kinda cool and fun to drive. never had a sunroof before. and i like the extra light from it, on inside, during the daytime. still haven't named it yet, which is very weird for me not to have done that yet. the color reminds me of the mutability of the ocean, the way the color changes with the weather. right now, it kinda feels like a rah rah rav, cuz everybody's made me feel i did ok on the deal, which is a very nice feeling.<smile> that would be a silly name for it though.LOL
kate
> Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com escrita@hotmail.com - 02 Feb 2005 19:48 GMT Kate, Don't panic, and don't give up!
Yesterday I had NO PAIN!!! All day long. And I only had the injection January 19. And I slept through about 7 hours last night! I can't believe it. I feel like a different person today--that's what sleep will do for you, and being pain free. A little pain today, but about a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10.
So, use me as an example, as I seem to be the most recent of us on this group to have an injection. It was my first of the kind and I was terribly nervous. But I asked the doctor how many of these injections he'd done and he said it must be thousands by now, and he's completely lost count.
Did you look it up anywhere on the Web? I Googled "neck pain cortisone injection" or something like that, and found lots of sites that gave very detailed information. It was helpful to read them beforehand--kind of calmed me down.
Good luck and hang in there.
Evelyn
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