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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / February 2005The Whole Story
It seems that some people are under the impression that Kimmy and I intentionally destroyed AI so that we could sell it, make a profit and live high off of your donations. Just in case anyone here shares those thoughts, here is a copy of a post I made on another site addressing these concerns: I am shocked, angry and very hurt by some of the things that are being said about Kimmy and I, some by people that I considered my friends. Contrary to popular belief, we are not sitting on a beach in Aruba, enjoying all the money we made from AI donations and the sale of the site. We are still freezing our butts off in Ohio. AI was hit by the "neverevernosanity worm" that also wiped out some 40,000 other sites that week. Every single page of the site was gone and in it's place was "this page was defaced by neverevernosanity worm." Our server backed up the site every 24 hours, unfortunately, it backed it up right after we were hit. So the back up was an exact copy of the defaced site. Four years of work, 100's of pages and articles...gone. You think you guys were upset when you found the site gone? Think of how we felt! You felt at home at our house, we built the durn place brick by brick! Since it happened right before Christmas, deciding what to do had to wait. We both have kids, we couldn't say "Sorry guys, there will be no gifts or Christmas dinner, I have a website to build." Life went on! While life was going on and we were trying to figure out how we could possibly start over again, a man approached us about buying the AI name. (He has NO connection to Healthology as far as I know, I don't know where that rumor started). After MUCH soul searching, and trying to make sure he wanted to do the right thing with AI, we agreed to sell him the name, along with what files could be found. I am not sure how much you think domain names go for these days, but unless the domain name is good for a porno site, they aren't worth much. Shortly after the deal was made, he learned of a site called archives.org. Ever hear of it? We hadn't either! Things might be different if we had! They had a stored copy of the site from January 2004. That is what the new owner used to put AI back up. As far as emailing everyone and telling them what happened? I couldn't. The mailing list went with the site. And judging from the comments I've seen those I did tell didn't believe me anyways!!!! What happened to *all* those donations? There is $9.73 cents left in AI's paypal account. I will be happy to give it to whoever wants it the most. The last two months that the site was running, the server and chat fee were paid out of our pockets because the money wasn't there. Now, if anyone still has a problem with what happened, tell me to my face. Don't talk about me behind my back. Losing AI was one of the more painful things I have had to deal with. And for some of you to say it was a planned and profitable event makes it even more painful. I just can't believe that some people think so little of me, that hurts, it truly does. :( ~KJ {{{{{KJ & Kimmy}}}}} Don't let a few idiots rule the day Tina. No one who actually knows you would think you did this on purpose, or that you profited from it. Please accept my thanks for many years of service to the arthritis community through AI and its predecessors. Just go take another look at that trophy and remember we love you. Walt > It seems that some people are under the impression that Kimmy and I > intentionally destroyed AI so that we could sell it, make a profit and [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > ~KJ >{{{{{KJ & Kimmy}}}}} > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Walt >> What happened to *all* those donations? There is $9.73 cents left in >> AI's paypal account. I will be happy to give it to whoever wants it the >> most. The last two months that the site was running, the server and >> chat fee were paid out of our pockets because the money wasn't there. I agree 100% with what Walt said, and as for the 2 months server and chat fee's how much was it? I think we should show you how much we liked what you and Kimmy did for us all by stumping up the cash to reinburse you the costs. -- Andy kj, please know that whoever thinks you intentionally destroyed AI is in the eeniest teensiest minority! i can just imagine how you felt losing that site. it was your and kimmy's beloved baby. i DID have an icky thought about the man who bought it--that he might have been the destroyer--but i'm assuming that's just the novelist in me running amuck. hugs to you and kimmy. diane > kj, please know that whoever thinks you intentionally destroyed AI is > in the eeniest teensiest minority! i can just imagine how you felt [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > diane Your novelist and my auditor run amuck, but other than a fleeting doubt about the intentions of the buyer, to blame anyone never crossed my usually suspicious mind. Anybody here that has any doubts, for crying out loud you should have sense enough to trust Tina and Kimmy by now. Tina, Kimmy, you already know there are people who are always ready to think the worst. Some of them are just grumpy pessimists, others see only clouds. And I'd bet a few of your detractors are really only concerned that you didn't get a bad deal from the buyer and expressed their concern badly. So love and concern and a big thank you to both of you for an era that ends and for a labor of love. Jo >It seems that some people are under the impression that Kimmy and I >intentionally destroyed AI so that we could sell it, make a profit and >live high off of your donations. I am shocked and saddened to hear that anyone could think that. Those allegations are totally ridiculous, and it hurts to know that someone could even think that. Rose @}>->-- Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown, one seeks to understand it. RB Please remove "Ima" to reply. >It seems that some people are under the impression that Kimmy and I >intentionally destroyed AI so that we could sell it, make a profit and >live high off of your donations. Just in case anyone here shares those >thoughts, here is a copy of a post I made on another site addressing >these concerns: It certainly never crossed my mind nor did I hear on this NG speculate about it. Nothing but hugs an sympathy from this corner. Don't let the nay sayers get you down, they have no integrity. -- MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com > >It seems that some people are under the impression that Kimmy and I > >intentionally destroyed AI so that we could sell it, make a profit and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > about it. Nothing but hugs an sympathy from this corner. Don't let > the nay sayers get you down, they have no integrity. -- MZ Same here. All I saw were a few questions about why people couldn't get in to the site, along with hopes that you were OK. I get the impression that there are a lot of what they call on SlashDot Anonymous Cowards out there. I know it's hard to ignore them, but, please try. No amount of contribution I could make could pay for the value that I got out of AI. Thanks to you and Kimmy for that.  SignatureAF Tina and Kimmy, to hell with any moron that would imply or accuse you guys of doing anything but the right thing. your hard work over the last few years has been remarkable. i love you both. in my world you are the best. johnie Wow, this sure wasn't what I had hoped to read this morning. I am so sorry that there are people who were part of a loving and caring group who would come up with a piece of fiction like this. I enjoyed AI over the years and am thankful to KJ and Kim for the work they put into it. Makes me glad I am not part of that other NG where these things were posted. Ann ((((KJ and Kimmy)))) I can't believe what I'm seeing here and I'm so sorry it happened. Just like the thing with Melinda, there will always be people who want to see the worst in humankind so they create it in their own minds. Don't let them poison your thoughts against the arthritis community at large. Most of us think you two are the bees' knees. Hugs, Kelly C.;o) I hope you didn't post this because you thought anyone here would believe such a think of yourself or Kimmy. We all understand the effort you guys were making. Cooly Hi KJ,,,, It was sad and understandable that you and Kim were just crushed by what took place with your site. I would like to crush the little B!@#$ that did the worm. Talk about a sick mind,,,, terrorist,,, SOB,,, Aaah well, it is about live and learn,,, AND BACKING UP info. In today's world, the doers of this world get taken apart by the non doers at the first sign of weakness as though it would make them stronger by the doing of it. I know it hurts to have people you have known and you think you know them to turn on you,,,, a person that has proven friendship and worth over and over..... just learn from it and be stronger,,, and you are and weed these people out of your life if you can,,,, sometimes you can't. To go through all of this and be very ill at the same time,,, Well,,, stand back from it if you can and be proud of who you are and what you have done and I say you meaning you and Kimmy. Only have one more thing to add...... Do not let the little minds of this world bring you down to their level. Harv > It seems that some people are under the impression that Kimmy and I > intentionally destroyed AI so that we could sell it, make a profit and [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > ~KJ > To go through all of this and be very ill at the same time,,, Well,,, > stand back from it if you can and be proud of who you are and what you have > done and I say you meaning you and Kimmy. Amen! SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare sWow. I can't believe anyone would really believe that of you two! That site was your baby and I know it had to break your heart to be forced into this decision by circumstances. those of us who truly know you all understand that. <hugs> SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare You were paying for this to be hosted professionally, right? Sorry, I've never been to AI, and I don't know the history etc. However, any business should be doing several backups, not just one. If they really only made one backup, then please let us know who were being paid for such shoddy service. For example, a backup routine that backs up the entire server to tape every day of the week should have been employed. When the next Sunday rolls around, the tape from the previous Sunday is overwritten and so on and so forth. Having only one backup for such a business is inexcusable and extremely negligent (the fact that they didn't keep their server secure is another indicator of negligence, that worm should never have gotten hold). I doubt you have the energy or inclination, but that sort of negligence is probably grounds for a lawsuit. Ari Signaturespammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. To jump to the end of the story, as a result of this I need a bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: http://www.abmdr.org.au/ http://www.marrow.org/ What??? Surely no one can be that rediculous!!! KJ and Kimmy, I am sooooo sorry that anyone could even begin to think a thought as rediculous as this! Anyone that even half knows the two of you know that you both put your heart and souls into AI and then some! And to even think that the two of you could get rich off of the donations, well, that is almost laughable, especially since this is usually around the time of year that you start your fundraising and requests for donations, so that means last years donations are pretty much used up. Honestly, anyone that would accuse the two of you of such things has to be majorly insecure and very hurtful and vindictive!!! Anyone who really knows the two of you could never even entertain such a thought! I personally thank the both of you (and your families) for all of the time and effort that you put into AI. No one, and I mean, no one, could have done a better job of running AI and of nursing/nurtchering it along as well as the two of you did. When AI was sold, I have no doubt what so ever that a piece of each of you went with it!!! Please know how much the two of you are respected, loved, and cared about and please don't let some childish and unfounded accusations get the best of you!!! Hugs and many a heartfelt thanks to the both of you!!! Donna G Hi KJ, I have to wonder if "some people" has ever built a web site, or if "some people" have any idea what it would cost to have a web site as comprehensive as AI commercially built & maintained. Even with the archive at http://www.archive.org/web/web.php the new owner hasn't been able to get everything put back the way it was & if he plans on changing anything I'm sure he would be glad to have "some people" help to recode the pages for the same wages that you & Kimmy were paid to create them in the first place. :) What?! You didn't get paid scale?? ^_^ KJ, I just hope you & Kimmy got paid well for the content & not just for the name, & that "some people" can get their heads out of their butts. GramPaHugs, Alex, > It seems that some people are under the impression that Kimmy > and I intentionally destroyed AI so that we could sell it, > make a profit and live high off of your donations. Just in > case anyone here shares those thoughts, here is a copy of a > post I made on another site addressing these concerns: <SNIPPED> :) > Now, if anyone still has a problem with what happened, tell me > to my face. Don't talk about me behind my back. Losing AI was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ~KJ -- Any information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * <a href="http://home.mn.rr.com/apbiii">AOL Click</a> * <a href="http://grampahugs.ath.cx/">AOL Click</a> **************************************************** Ah, you two... Ya know better than to give any credence to some jealous cowards, so don't. Stop that right now and consider the sources and doncha get yer feelings hurt. Those who couldn't take what Kimmy wrote ( that it was getting to be too much to keep up with) at face value weren't anyone you'd care to have around anyways. I greatly enjoyed working with ya both and we had us some fun, didn't we? Doesn't much matter beyond that...no one can take away what you contributed...no one can diminish that. So head up, chin high and #%# 'em muchly! LOL Luv and Hugs from Rosie Signature"If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself" -- Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II > It seems that some people are under the impression that Kimmy and I > intentionally destroyed AI so that we could sell it, make a profit and [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > ~KJ KJ, I just can't imagine anyone feeling that way. You and Kimmy had worked too long and too hard on that site to give it up for any reason than the one that happened. Please don't worry about what some people say; their opinions aren't worth dirt. Gwen > It seems that some people are under the impression that Kimmy and I > intentionally destroyed AI so that we could sell it, make a profit and [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > ~KJ I am so sorry that this happened to you guys. Man, I can not imagine how you are feeling right now having lost everything. I hope you can find the strength and hope to rebuild under a new name. I sure did enjoy the sight. I would not listen to the people who are bad mouthing you guys. That is just not right for them to do that. Please hang in there ok? RhondaM > KJ, I just can't imagine anyone feeling that way. You and Kimmy had > worked [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] >> >> ~KJ ((((((((((((((KJ and Kimmy))))))))))))) Be sure you are directing your comments to the person/persons who have said these things about you. I haven't heard any bad things about you guys. Just thank yous for all you've both done over the years. I know I appreciate it very much and I also am already signed up on the new site. I bet the majority on this newsgroup are nothing but thankful for all you do. Please remember that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! debbie m. http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/angels1/ > It seems that some people are under the impression that Kimmy and I > intentionally destroyed AI so that we could sell it, make a profit and [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > ~KJ KJ and Kimmie, When I saw the thread on that particualr board I was amazed at the level of anger that came over me. You guys have done absolutly nothing but work you tails off for the same bunch of ingrates that are speaking evil. No one who has "known" you guys or have followed you from your first website believe the crap that they were spewing. We all know how hard you have worked and how devastating this whole deal has been. As my daddy used to say "don't let the bastards get you down" but I also know that it will take a long while to get over the hurt. (((((((((((KJ))))))))), ((((((((((Kimmie))))))) Karen > It seems that some people are under the impression that Kimmy and I > intentionally destroyed AI so that we could sell it, make a profit and > live high off of your donations. Just in case anyone here shares those > thoughts, here is a copy of a post I made on another site addressing > these concerns: Go away for a week and all hell breaks loose! Kimmy and Tina - obviously there are some idiots in the world that don't have a clue! If I had money I would send it to you so you could sit on a beach in Aruba - might pay for a small portion of the time you have spent on this website! Please accept my thanks and also my congratulations that someone paid for the site. I know the sale probably wasn't much money but hopefully the stress is off. This was a huge enterprise for anyone - let alone 2 women with children and a health problem! Hats off to the both of you! Kelly Oh brother - the nuts are out there... BTW, I went to that site when it was mentioned here and discovered that they have text but no pictures. I just checked AI and it still has no pictures -- looking for page 27 in particular. I lost my entire hard drive a couple of weeks ago and so don't have a copy myself -- at least I haven't found one yet. We love you both so try to ignore the private emails -- just love the nuts too afraid to stand up in public and say things they like to shout at you behind closed doors. grrrr for you. Duckie ... > Shortly after the deal was made, he learned of a site called > archives.org. Ever hear of it? We hadn't either! Things might be [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > ~KJ Signature_('> (_<_) _ _('< -quack (_<_) _ __('< *QUACK!* <_{__) _('< "|,,|_" (_<_) _('< "AFLAC!" (_<_) Cant believe there are such people out there saying such things. I cant believe its our group, if it is I have certainly been fooled by them, as they all seem so kind. It must be an intruder, Try to not worry or think about it, as your friends know its not the truth. hugs to you both and a thank you for all your hard work. janice | It seems that some people are under the impression that Kimmy and I | intentionally destroyed AI so that we could sell it, make a profit and [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] | | ~KJ >It seems that some people are under the impression that Kimmy and I >intentionally destroyed AI so that we could sell it, make a profit and [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > >~KJ {{{{{{{{{{KJ&KIMMY}}}}}}}}}} You did a lot of great things for everyone here for several years and I don't feel this will be the end. Just a new start. Here's something funny to take your mind off this. Could be rated R or even X by some standards. http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php Click on the Flash files too. There a hoot. ~Kenny Hateful people will always be hateful...Praying that you don't let some fools ruin your day...Sending hugs and prayers.... Cindy > It seems that some people are under the impression that Kimmy and I > intentionally destroyed AI so that we could sell it, make a profit and [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > ~KJ I am so sorry that all this happened. Whoever was complaining obviously doesn't know how much work you and Kimmie put into AI or what you got "paid" for it. The fact is that you two didn't get paid and usually ended up paying. Even if you made a hugh amount of money by selling the name, it wouldn't even begin to cover the cost of the time you put into the site. I think you two are great and I know a lot of other people out there share my feelings. Thank you both for all that you have put into your sites as well as your unselfish gift of time, love, and yourselves. You two are heros in my eyes. Sarah L Oh my that was well said for someone with tubes in their ears and can whisle " Oh Susana" through the left one and "Dixie" out the right one,,,,, At the same time,,,, now that is talent. :-) SomBodyElse >I am so sorry that all this happened. Whoever was complaining > obviously doesn't know how much work you and Kimmie put into AI or what [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sarah L > Oh my that was well said for someone with tubes in their ears and can whisle > " Oh Susana" through the left one and "Dixie" out the right one,,,,, At > the same time,,,, now that is talent. :-) > > SomBodyElse <snort> ROFL! SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare >> Oh my that was well said for someone with tubes in their ears and can >> whisle >> " Oh Susana" through the left one and "Dixie" out the right one,,,,, At >> the same time,,,, now that is talent. :-) >> SomBodyElse > <snort> ROFL! > Nann In all truth, we might as well smile about something like tubes in our ears because nothing does as good a job for what they are meant to do. If things do not get better, I may have to get them myself. I have a little virtigo and seems that I have to pop a little by holding my nose and blowing gently and then when they pop, I hold pressure and let them blow back slowly. I know,,, not to smart,,, but it relieves the pressure and I can hear again. I am scared to death that I am going to not be able to catch myself if I start to topple over. Believe me, I am not above taking a quick sit down and it does not matter where I am. It is better than falling over sideways or backward. I have had to stop the Enbrel, the TB anti-bio. I have been coughing and getting cup fulls of fluid out of my lungs as I try to sleep. I am starting to cough less and feel better. Soo it is starting to do the job and I would probably be over this if I had stopped Enbrel one shot sooner. How this stuff got into my ears???? I just do not know. I have not be blowing my nose,,, at all... Now that I have competely grooooosed everyone out with my fluids problems. I just thought I would say something in my way for being sorry if my humor caught her off guard,,, so to speak. I will be quiet again. Harv > In all truth, we might as well smile about something like tubes in our ears > because nothing does as good a job for what they are meant to do. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > be quiet again. > Harv Harv, I have noticed that when I use my Enbrel as directed, twice a week, that my congestion is worse. I experience vertigo fairly regularly and have found that taking one 30 mg. Sudafed daily helps it some. I don't take two because then I'm zingy in the head...you know, worse than usual.lol Kelly C.;o) > Harv, I have noticed that when I use my Enbrel as directed, twice a week, > that my congestion is worse. I experience vertigo fairly regularly and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > :-) Sudafed huh,,,, thanks I will try that. Harv ((((((Harv))))))....I was hoping you would be on the mend by now! I'm gonna have to bump up the prayers for you. Take it easy and rest. Janet R >>> Oh my that was well said for someone with tubes in their ears and can >>> whisle [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > to speak. I will be quiet again. > Harv I don't mean to come in on this so late KJ and Kimmy, But I sure hope that the people that were saying bad things have stopped. All your friends and those who really know you, know you didn't do anything bad. We are behind you 100%. You did a great job and those that caused problems with the worm thingy and such should be ashamed of themselves. SignatureLove and hugs to all Good thoughts coming your way too. Squirrely Jo > It seems that some people are under the impression that Kimmy and I > intentionally destroyed AI so that we could sell it, make a profit and [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > ~KJ |
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