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Sonatabv - 16 Dec 2004 20:16 GMT
We are taking bids for air conditioners. We are looking at Carrier,
Kenmore, and Trane. Just wondering if anyone has any recommendations about
these.

TIA-
Tymon Bloomer (Vickie Bloomer's son)
Janet R - 16 Dec 2004 21:23 GMT
I have 4 Tranes....still haven't had any problems out of them at
all....been almost 10 years.  I assume that soon something will go
out.  My folks switched to a Trane and they love it too.

Janet R

| We are taking bids for air conditioners. We are looking at Carrier,
| Kenmore, and Trane. Just wondering if anyone has any recommendations about
| these.
|
| TIA-
| Tymon Bloomer (Vickie Bloomer's son)
Harvey R. Stone - 16 Dec 2004 22:11 GMT
>I have 4 Tranes....still haven't had any problems out of them at
> all....been almost 10 years.  I assume that soon something will go
> out.  My folks switched to a Trane and they love it too.
>
> Janet R

LOLOL,  I am hoping that you mean four in four different locations.    I do
not even want to think about needing to work on one for more than 10 years
but some of them need a little freon every year or two and that would be
normal for a 10 year old machine.
Harv
Janet R - 16 Dec 2004 23:43 GMT
We have 4 for our house.  We do need to add freon to at least one of
them probably every other year and have had a thermostat inside go
out, but nothing with the outside units at all has gone wrong.  They
cool different parts of the house on different thermostats....so we
don't have to cool/heat the whole house when only 2 of us are home.

Janet R

| >I have 4 Tranes....still haven't had any problems out of them at
| > all....been almost 10 years.  I assume that soon something will go
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| normal for a 10 year old machine.
| Harv
Nann Bell - 17 Dec 2004 04:02 GMT
> We have 4 for our house.  We do need to add freon to at least one of
> them probably every other year and have had a thermostat inside go
> out, but nothing with the outside units at all has gone wrong.  They
> cool different parts of the house on different thermostats....so we
> don't have to cool/heat the whole house when only 2 of us are home.

Just how big is this house?  mike's ex had only two systems for her 2400 sq
ft house.

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Janet R - 17 Dec 2004 05:06 GMT
Its big (7000ish sq.ft)....and the electric bill is shocking.
I am constantly yelling at the kids to "TURN OFF THE LIGHTS!!! AND
SHUT THE DOOR!"

I am all about wearing sweaters and using little space heaters...I'm a
tightwad.

Janet R

| > We have 4 for our house.  We do need to add freon to at least one of
| > them probably every other year and have had a thermostat inside go
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| Just how big is this house?  mike's ex had only two systems for her 2400 sq
| ft house.
Harvey R. Stone - 17 Dec 2004 07:06 GMT
> Its big (7000ish sq.ft)....and the electric bill is shocking.
> I am constantly yelling at the kids to "TURN OFF THE LIGHTS!!! AND
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>
> Janet R

LOLOL  You and my oldest son.  Its not about just a place to live but it is
an investment.   The very best thing you can do for your ele. and outside
noise is storm windows and shutting down part of your house completely.  I
have to laugh at myself in thinking,,,, one house,,, one AC.   You could
update an older set of units and spend the 4 units.   Oooh lets not talk
about taxes but they love you down at the court house.   So it goes.
Harv
Janet R - 17 Dec 2004 17:08 GMT
Love me?  They give me a tickertape parade when I arrive with my
check!  LOL

We fight those taxes every year to no avail....even hired pros.....

I can make a penny squeak, so I don't let those taxes slip past me
without giving it an honest effort.

Janet R

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 Oooh lets not talk
| about taxes but they love you down at the court house.   So it goes.
| Harv
Nann Bell - 17 Dec 2004 14:51 GMT
> Its big (7000ish sq.ft)....and the electric bill is shocking.
> I am constantly yelling at the kids to "TURN OFF THE LIGHTS!!! AND
> SHUT THE DOOR!"

LOL  the house we're in now has no door on the basement stairs so all the
cold air comes up from downstairs.  We've got the churches, who own the
house, putting on a door this weekend.  It makes no sense at all to be paying
more than we have to to heat the house due to that chilly basement air! As it
is, we keep the house at 68, though we know area natives our age who heat up
to 72.  Too warm for us when it's so cold outside!  hehe, Mike prefers the
shower in the basement though and it'll really be chilly for him when he goes
down there!  He says it'll keep him from lingering - I say it'll keep him
under the hot water as long as possible!

> I am all about wearing sweaters and using little space heaters...I'm a
> tightwad.

I hear ya!  We both have German and Scottish ancestry, i.e. "cheap"!  LOL  
We'll spend some money on stuff we really want or need, but we can really
pinch a penny!  My stepdaughter was stunned to learn (as a teenager) that we
wash out our Ziplock bags to re-use them.  Told us they don't cost that much.
We told her it all adds up and it's about the environment, too......

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Janet R - 17 Dec 2004 17:38 GMT
Oh...You are my kinda folk!!!

We heat to 68 only.  I have little space heaters everywhere I sit.
There is NO way we could ever warm up this house totally.  In the
summer (without kids) we completely shut down the upstairs.  Our
bedroom is downstairs and has it own ac/heat....and I'm never in there
during the day...so its turned low then too.

We do the zip-loc bag thing too....why waste them?  And our kids
complain about the Sam Club toilet paper....what's up with that?  Its
paper for wiping your booty!  When I was a kid and we ran out it was
Sears catalog!  I grew up with little to no A/C and no heat at night
at all....tons of blankets.  Kids are spoiled these days.

We save all restaurant coupons...that determines where we eat out,
which we only do about twice a month.  We drive older vehicles (that
are paid for).....we want to have a nice retirement.  Delayed
gratification!

I'm holding out for the RV we are going to get...and drive around to
national parks and visiting our kiddos.  Oh yeah...and go to
Gimpfest!!!

Janet R

| > Its big (7000ish sq.ft)....and the electric bill is shocking.
| > I am constantly yelling at the kids to "TURN OFF THE LIGHTS!!! AND
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| wash out our Ziplock bags to re-use them.  Told us they don't cost that much.
| We told her it all adds up and it's about the environment, too......
Nann Bell - 18 Dec 2004 14:28 GMT
> We do the zip-loc bag thing too....why waste them?  And our kids
> complain about the Sam Club toilet paper....what's up with that?  Its
> paper for wiping your booty!  When I was a kid and we ran out it was
> Sears catalog!

hehe, I admit to being choosy about my toilet paper, but that comes from
years of psoriasis in the area - meaning really tender skin.  I grew up
without a/c also - in inland Florida!  All of us do enjoy it now, but we keep
it set fairly warm.  And Mike and I both sleep better in a cool room under
comfy covers - except when he keeps trying to steal the covers from me, the
old devil!  LOL  

> We save all restaurant coupons...that determines where we eat out,
> which we only do about twice a month.  We drive older vehicles (that
> are paid for).....we want to have a nice retirement.  Delayed
> gratification!

oh yeah, though we make allowances for an occasional trip to a favorite
restaurant....... though they have to be inexpensive to be a favorite.  Now
our restaurant options are really limited and we mostly eat at home.  I'm
cooking as I never have before!  Drive an 89 Corolla (hey, they are tough
cars - it just keeps going!  220k so far and still on the original clutch)
and a new-to-us 99 Caravan, 120K but only 60K on its new, used tranny.

Still, do have some fun now!  It'd be a shame to save it all for retirement
and then not be able to enjoy it for some reason.  It happened, somewhat, for
my dad as his RA advanced.  They didn't get to do the outdoors activities
they'd planned for retirement.  It's part of why Mike and I went ahead and
cashed in an investment to go to Italy in 97 - we could both do it then and
we had no idea what the future held.

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Jo Firey - 17 Dec 2004 18:55 GMT
> Its big (7000ish sq.ft)....and the electric bill is shocking.
> I am constantly yelling at the kids to "TURN OFF THE LIGHTS!!! AND
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>
> Janet R

I'm eagerly waiting for the day my grandsons have to pay their own utility
bills.  Sure they will think I'm sitting in the corner giggling cause I'm
senile...

Jo
Janet R - 17 Dec 2004 19:25 GMT
NO kidding...and my son loves his 45 minutes showers TWICE a day!  I
showed him the water and gas bill....he gets one 10 min and one 20
mins showers....he better scrub fast!

I'm going to my kids house when they are adults....and leaving the
front door open...all the lights on... the fridge open while I pour my
drink...take long long showers....use a new towel EVERY time...leave
just enough tea in the pitcher for the next person to get a tsp. of
tea...and play my music ear-shatteringly loud!

Its going to fun....wanna come????

Janet R

| > Its big (7000ish sq.ft)....and the electric bill is shocking.
| > I am constantly yelling at the kids to "TURN OFF THE LIGHTS!!! AND
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|
| Jo
Kimmy - 17 Dec 2004 20:04 GMT
>I'm going to my kids house when they are adults....and leaving the
>front door open...all the lights on... the fridge open while I pour my
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>
>Janet R

LMAO - I'm with ya Janet!

I'm *also* going to leave a different piece of dirty laundry in every room of
the house, ignore the fact that I just dripped jelly on the kitchen floor and
waste the water for an extra large load of clothes just to wash my favorite
socks.

Kimmy
Janet R - 17 Dec 2004 20:50 GMT
ARRRRR...the jelly on the counter!  I just about lose it when I put my
hand down and it sticks to the counter top!  OR....finding their load
of clothes in the washer...that's been there a few days and has a nice
little aroma going on!

Ahhhh....kids!  Gotta love 'em.

Janet R

| >I'm going to my kids house when they are adults....and leaving the
| >front door open...all the lights on... the fridge open while I pour my
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|
| Kimmy
Nann Bell - 18 Dec 2004 04:56 GMT
> NO kidding...and my son loves his 45 minutes showers TWICE a day!  I
> showed him the water and gas bill....he gets one 10 min and one 20
> mins showers....he better scrub fast!

He'll still have a real shock when he's in a drought zone one day!  They had
us on 4 minute showers a few times in different places I've lived.  The worst
was the drought in Florida that also led to the firestorms in 98.  They were
even checking your water bill and going after folks with excessive use.

Or enlist him in the navy..... LOL  nothing like showering on board to teach
you how to do it fast, from what I'm told.  Then there's the showers at some
campgrounds that give you a minute or two for a quarter...........

I remember the time my stepdaughter was going to youth group and evening
church.  She wanted to take a shower at 1 pm (no, she hadn't been doing
ANYthing, but less getting dirty or sweaty!), then sit around the house and
take *another* shower about 3:30 so her hair would be *freshly* washed before
youth group.  Needless to say, she was limited to one shower!

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RoseB - 18 Dec 2004 01:14 GMT
>I'm eagerly waiting for the day my grandsons have to pay their own utility
>bills.  Sure they will think I'm sitting in the corner giggling cause I'm
>senile...

I first mis-read this as futility bills.....

LOL

    Rose   @}>->--
    Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown, one seeks to understand it. RB

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d'huit - 18 Dec 2004 01:37 GMT
>>I'm eagerly waiting for the day my grandsons have to pay their own utility
>>bills.  Sure they will think I'm sitting in the corner giggling cause I'm
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>
>     Rose   @}>->--

<giggling> good one, rose!LOL  i think some creditors believe that some
bills sent out are futility bills.LOL

kate

>     Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown, one seeks
> to understand it. RB
>
>     Please remove "Ima" to reply.
jb - 17 Dec 2004 04:49 GMT
your house must be a whopper, janet
I wouldnt want to pay youre electricity bill

| We have 4 for our house.  We do need to add freon to at least one of
| them probably every other year and have had a thermostat inside go
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| | normal for a 10 year old machine.
| | Harv
Harvey R. Stone - 16 Dec 2004 22:07 GMT
> We are taking bids for air conditioners. We are looking at Carrier,
> Kenmore, and Trane. Just wondering if anyone has any recommendations about
> these.

Oooh I don't know about the brand.  Some much depends on how it is installed
and by whom but I would go with the one that had the best ratings on how
well it works or uses electricity.    Winter time is the time to get the
best prices on equipment and installation.
Harv

Ps  You could be pricing just the outside unit or you could be pricing the
whole shabang and in that case you are going to have to see if it is ele. or
gas.   Gas used to be the most eco. but now days I do not know.
Sonatabv - 16 Dec 2004 23:31 GMT
Dear Harv,

I'm pricing both the outside A/C unit and the coil.  My furnace is in good
shape.  Consumer Reports no longer reports on A/C but does say to focus on
Price, Efficiency, and Noise.  These are all close on Noise and Efficiency.
(and not that far apart on price.)

TIA,

Vickie B.
Harvey R. Stone - 17 Dec 2004 07:08 GMT
> Dear Harv,
>
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>
> Vickie B.

I think you have your finger on the problem.
Harv
DiWitt - 17 Dec 2004 12:03 GMT
I have Carrier in this house and also in my previous house. The old house's
ac is still running strong afer 15 years. The builder my husband works for
uses Carrier exclusively finding it warrenty free on his part. I don't know
of anyone we've sold to with ac problems.

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> We are taking bids for air conditioners. We are looking at Carrier,
> Kenmore, and Trane. Just wondering if anyone has any recommendations about
> these.
>
> TIA-
> Tymon Bloomer (Vickie Bloomer's son)
Adelle - 17 Dec 2004 14:15 GMT
We have a Trane with an Aprilaire air filter (3 yrs old) and have been very
happy with it.

Adelle

> We are taking bids for air conditioners. We are looking at Carrier,
> Kenmore, and Trane. Just wondering if anyone has any recommendations about
> these.
>
> TIA-
> Tymon Bloomer (Vickie Bloomer's son)
d'huit - 17 Dec 2004 19:56 GMT
> We are taking bids for air conditioners. We are looking at Carrier,
> Kenmore, and Trane. Just wondering if anyone has any recommendations about
> these.
>
> TIA-
> Tymon Bloomer (Vickie Bloomer's son)

dunno.  there's a heat pump w/ac down at the lake, that i wish i could have
here, since the mobile itself is distroyed and allstate spread its hands
about it.  but here when it gets too hot, i climb into my car, turn the a/c
on and sit a spell, with a book.  have done that for years.LOL

kate
 
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