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OTP - tried Firefox again
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Mary Z - 09 Dec 2004 03:57 GMT Firefox seems to be very unstable on my machine. I installed it with everything turned off A/V, zone Alarm installed it and rebooted my computer, but still it crashes. Something about my set up it does not like and this is the second time I have tried it. Looks like I will have to give up on it again. Oh well. -- MZ
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johnie - 09 Dec 2004 05:41 GMT mary, im running it on an apple notebook and its nice and fast. I still run netscape 7 for group access. No problems. in fact, just the opposite. it handles some sites without the little hang-ups netscape runs into because of MS specs. check their site to see if anyone else is experiencing similar problems.
johnie
> Firefox seems to be very unstable on my machine. I installed it with > everything turned off A/V, zone Alarm installed it and rebooted my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com d'huit - 09 Dec 2004 07:42 GMT LOL everytime i see "firefox" in the subject line, i get excited while reading it as "foxfire" and i love, love, love those books. kate
> Firefox seems to be very unstable on my machine. I installed it with > everything turned off A/V, zone Alarm installed it and rebooted my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com Mike-UK - 09 Dec 2004 13:27 GMT > Firefox seems to be very unstable on my machine. I installed it with > everything turned off A/V, zone Alarm installed it and rebooted my > computer, but still it crashes. Something about my set up it does not > like and this is the second time I have tried it. Looks like I will > have to give up on it again. Oh well. -- MZ Now lets see, M$ want you to stick with IE. M$ make the OS you're using. Lots of people are enjoying their FireFox browser, especially the folks NOT using an M$ OS.
The FireFox people caution that they cannot guarantee that an M$ OS will make a stable platform for their independant browser as M$ won't tell anyone about all the screwups and work-arounds they left in there to trip up other people's software. (Remember Lotus Office? etc. etc.)
Maybe its time to think about upgrading your OS too?
Shouldn't cost much... :)
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Alex Barna - 09 Dec 2004 16:58 GMT Hi Mary,
> Firefox seems to be very unstable on my machine. I installed it with > everything turned off A/V, zone Alarm installed it and rebooted my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com Have you checked out your system with the Belarc Advisor? http://www.belarc.com/
It is a small program to download that tells you everything about your computer & if there any hardware or software conflicts.
I run XP sp1 on a Sony VAIO PC with a dual 3.2 ghz processor & haven't had any problem with FireFox. I'm using version 1-1.0 now. GramPaHugs, Alex,
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Don Kirkman - 09 Dec 2004 22:55 GMT It seems to me I heard somewhere that Alex Barna wrote in article <41B88436.A264BC8B@mn.rr.com>:
>Hi Mary,
>> Firefox seems to be very unstable on my machine. I installed it with >> everything turned off A/V, zone Alarm installed it and rebooted my >> computer, but still it crashes. Something about my set up it does not >> like and this is the second time I have tried it. Looks like I will >> have to give up on it again. Oh well. -- MZ
>> Visit my website: >> http://www.mzuschlag.com
>Have you checked out your system with the Belarc Advisor? >http://www.belarc.com/
>It is a small program to download that tells you everything about your computer >& if there any hardware or software conflicts. I second that recommendation; Belarc Advisor gives me three or four pages of data on my system. For even more detail, there is a free version of SANDRA [http://www.sisoftware.net/sandra/] which returns several more pages with additional detail, but you can go through the system one piece at a time so you don't have to read about parts you know are all right.
ISTR that dear Larry mentioned both of these to us several years ago.
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Mary Z - 10 Dec 2004 01:30 GMT >I second that recommendation; Belarc Advisor gives me three or four >pages of data on my system. For even more detail, there is a free >version of SANDRA [http://www.sisoftware.net/sandra/] which returns >several more pages with additional detail, but you can go through the >system one piece at a time so you don't have to read about parts you >know are all right. I did run Belarc and everything seems to check out I looked for spyware, faulty hotfixes but everything seems to come up clean. Everything seemed to install correctly. I have SP2 on windows xp and it loaded just fine. I wrote to the forums on firefox and they suggested an old video driver, old version of adobe reader. here is what shows up for my motherboard:
Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC. A7V133-C REV 1.xx Bus Clock: 133 megahertz BIOS: Award Software, Inc. ASUS A7V133-C ACPI BIOS Revision 1007 10/03/2001
1.47 gigahertz AMD Athlon XP 128 kilobyte primary memory cache 256 kilobyte secondary memory cache
I don't think there are any new drivers out for the motherboard. I don't know much about these drivers usually the microsoft site will tell you if a driver needs to be updated.
Switching to another operating is not an option I need compatibility with my office software.
Firefox crashes about every 3 to 4 minutes. I think I will have to uninstall it. -- MZ
Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com
Alex Barna - 10 Dec 2004 04:00 GMT > I did run Belarc and everything seems to check out I looked for > spyware, faulty hotfixes but everything seems to come up clean. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > don't know much about these drivers usually the microsoft site will > tell you if a driver needs to be updated. I doubt the problem would be with the motherboard or it's drivers. The problem could be with the video card drivers though.
> Switching to another operating is not an option I need compatibility > with my office software. You & millions of other people including me.
> Firefox crashes about every 3 to 4 minutes. I think I will have to > uninstall it. -- MZ Is Firefox actually crashing or is windows saying the program has done something illegal & needs to be shut down. What does it say when it crashes?
If you must run IE just make sure you have the security level set to at least medium.
> Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com GramPaHugs, Alex,
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Mary Z - 10 Dec 2004 15:49 GMT >Is Firefox actually crashing or is windows saying the program has done something >illegal & needs to be shut down. >What does it say when it crashes? It closes down and the firefox feedback report comes up and reports the bug to Mozilla. Sometimes I get the report this issue to Microsoft and it send the report to Microsoft. It happens about every 3 or 4 minutes. Where would I look for the video card drivers? Firefox also said it might be adobe reader 6.0 apparently reader 6.02 is better so I will try that today.
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Alex Barna - 10 Dec 2004 18:42 GMT > >Is Firefox actually crashing or is windows saying the program has > >done something illegal & needs to be shut down. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the bug to Mozilla. Sometimes I get the report this issue to Microsoft > and it send the report to Microsoft. To bad those reports aren't in a language a real person can understand.
> It happens about every 3 or 4 minutes. > Where would I look for the video card drivers? In the Belarc report. There should be information for "Display" that will tell what the Display adapter is.
> Firefox also > said it might be adobe reader 6.0 apparently reader 6.02 is better so > I will try that today. Belarc should have shown if there was a conflict with adobe. On my old computer it even told me there were conflicts with some of windows updates.
> Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com GramPaHugs, Alex,
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Mary Z - 10 Dec 2004 20:44 GMT >Belarc should have shown if there was a conflict with adobe. On my old computer >it even told me there were conflicts with some of windows updates. I don't see any conflicts listed. The program notes if some of the hot fixes are failing but they are all checked green on my web report. How did your conflicts show up? As a red check?
this is what it shows for display:
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX [Display adapter] Default Monitor
I assume it is using the default driver in xp. firefox forum suggested I reduce the acceleration on my video, I am not sure what that is. -- MZ
Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com
abarna - 10 Dec 2004 22:06 GMT >>Belarc should have shown if there was a conflict with adobe. On my old computer >>it even told me there were conflicts with some of windows updates. > > I don't see any conflicts listed. The program notes if some of the > hot fixes are failing but they are all checked green on my web report. > How did your conflicts show up? As a red check? Yes, a red X with the word Failed & a 'click here' link that took me to their web site where they had tips for how to fix the problem.
> this is what it shows for display: > > NVIDIA GeForce2 MX [Display adapter] > Default Monitor You can check for SP2 drivers at: http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce2mx.html
> I assume it is using the default driver in xp. Don't assume anything with windows. You should have been told when you installed SP2 if any drivers were obsolete but lots of people aren't being told. You could ask at news.microsoft.com microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
> firefox forum > suggested I reduce the acceleration on my video, I am not sure what > that is. -- MZ I doubt that is the problem. My computer has a RADEON 9200 [Display adapter] & I don't have any problems with Firefox.
> Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com GramPaHugs, Alex,
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Don Kirkman - 11 Dec 2004 00:39 GMT It seems to me I heard somewhere that Alex Barna wrote in article <41B9EE26.8E711D28@mn.rr.com>:
Going back to one point Alex made earlier:
>> I don't think there are any new drivers out for the motherboard. I >> don't know much about these drivers usually the microsoft site will >> tell you if a driver needs to be updated. I have a similar but different AWARD BIOS, and the company doesn't seem to have released many updates. Mine is maybe one year newer than Mary's.
>I doubt the problem would be with the motherboard or it's drivers. >The problem could be with the video card drivers though. I think I read somewhere some time ago that video card drivers are one of the main causes of stability problems, and I know from experience that XP is very picky about its drivers.
[Balance snipped]
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Alex Barna - 11 Dec 2004 02:40 GMT > [Balance snipped] > -- > Don > Old age is when you start saying "I wish I knew now what I knew then." OK Don, I know I'm old, you don't have to rub it in. <G> GramPaHugs, Alex,
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Mike-UK - 10 Dec 2004 22:28 GMT > > Switching to another operating is not an option I need compatibility > > with my office software. > > You & millions of other people including me. http://www.openoffice.org/product/
...nes pas? ;)
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Alex Barna - 11 Dec 2004 00:02 GMT > > > Switching to another operating is not an option I need compatibility > > > with my office software. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > www.deja-moo.co.uk/~mikesweb Yes, Mike openoffice works well on *WINDOWS*. But it won't load my Quattro.wkq files. <G> GramPaHugs, Alex,
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Mike-UK - 11 Dec 2004 11:08 GMT > > > > Switching to another operating is not an option I need compatibility > > > > with my office software. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Yes, Mike openoffice works well on *WINDOWS*. It DOES?!?!?
> But it won't load my Quattro.wkq files. <G> It WON'T?!?!?!?
So why use this Quattro thingie then? ;\
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"Aaaaaagh!" - Katherine Harris www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1027042harris1.html
"Can you tell what it is yet?" - Rolf Harris
www.deja-moo.co.uk/~mikesweb
Alex Barna - 11 Dec 2004 16:43 GMT <snip>
> > > http://www.openoffice.org/product/ > > > > Yes, Mike openoffice works well on *WINDOWS*. > > It DOES?!?!? Read the web site. The primary development is for use on a windows platform but, it is open source so it will operate on the less used OS's.
> > But it won't load my Quattro.wkq files. <G> > > It WON'T?!?!?!? > > So why use this Quattro thingie then? ;\ I've been using Quattro since 1988. It a Borland IBM dos spread sheet database program & it even runs on XP in a dos shell. <G>
GramPaHugs, Alex,
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Mike-UK - 12 Dec 2004 20:36 GMT > <snip> > > > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Read the web site. The primary development is for use on a windows platform but, > it is open source so it will operate on the less used OS's. I was kinda joking here Alex. :)
Akchooli... Open Office is a kind of ex-linked development from the StarOffice project that went all copyright and commercial and lost just about all it's fan-base as a result. This kind of UNIX/Linux based project has been running for a while, and is ported over to the Windows platform more as an afterthought/separate project.
I would however caution the newbie that a number of extremely good and well developed reliable applications have been re-ported to several OSs, including Windows, but, as I've mentioned in another thread, the Windows plaform is so riddled with bugs and patches, its a nightmare to port to, especially when M$ won't "play the game". RIP Lotus Office.
:(
> > > But it won't load my Quattro.wkq files. <G> > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I've been using Quattro since 1988. It a Borland IBM dos spread sheet database > program & it even runs on XP in a dos shell. <G> Yeah, I had a clue, but was still joking around.
http://dosemu.org/
... might help? :)
P.S. Still joshing around. :)
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"Can you tell what it is yet?" - Rolf Harris
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Val in Boise - 10 Dec 2004 22:09 GMT I don't like it because the links don't work. If you are going to use Firefox, you might as well use Netscape.
Val in Boise
| Hi Mary, | [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] | * <a href="http://grampahugs.ath.cx/">AOL Click</a> | **************************************************** JDShine - 14 Dec 2004 00:09 GMT On or about 12/8/2004 10:57 PM, Mary Z posted the following:
> Firefox seems to be very unstable on my machine. I installed it with > everything turned off A/V, zone Alarm installed it and rebooted my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.mzuschlag.com Have you sought help in the 'netscape' groups. ( secnews.netscape.com ) The group 'netscape.mozilla.firebird' covers Firefox.
JDShine
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