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?TERRORISM ALERT IN FRANCE AP and UPI reported that the French Government announced today that it has raised its terror alert level from "RUN" to "HIDE." The only two higher levels in France are "SURRENDER" and "COLLABORATE." The alert was precipitated by the recent fire which destroyed France's only white flag factory, effectively disabling their military. > ?TERRORISM ALERT IN FRANCE > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The alert was precipitated by the recent fire which destroyed > France's only white flag factory, effectively disabling their military. y'knowwwww, chief . . . the french have been very, very helpful in tracking down and catching terrorists for the u.s.a., because they have a better intelligence system that is geared to that purpose. kate >>TERRORISM ALERT IN FRANCE >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > kate And you better get rid of the Statue of Liberty, too, seeing as it came from France. This whole French bashing thing makes the Americans that do it sound like children having a temper tantrum, and it really reflects badly on the rest of the population that are above such behaviour. Cheers, Ari  Signaturespammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. To jump to the end of the story, as a result of this I need a bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: http://www.abmdr.org.au/ http://www.marrow.org/ >This whole French bashing thing makes the Americans that do >it sound like children having a temper tantrum, and it really reflects >badly on the rest of the population that are above such behaviour. I agree. The French have a freely elected government and just because they refused to acquiesce to US interests they have been demonize. In terms of our allies it would have been better if the US listened more and dictated less. -- MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com >>This whole French bashing thing makes the Americans that do >>it sound like children having a temper tantrum, and it really reflects [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > terms of our allies it would have been better if the US listened > more and dictated less. -- MZ Well said and you mean well but the power station that the Jews blew up in Iraq was full of French tech. and equipment. That power plant would of built Atomic weapons. You are going to see that the French were completely paid off in the oil for food program. When you realize that the French, the Russians, the Chinese, the Egyptians were all paid off with millions of dollars from that program you will see that the UN, the security council would of never acted to stop what was taking place. This forced the US to move on Iraq. The only country I am not sure about is Germany but I believe they were paid off also but I could be wrong about that. Harv >>>This whole French bashing thing makes the Americans that do >>>it sound like children having a temper tantrum, and it really reflects [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > were paid off also but I could be wrong about that. > Harv Harv, perhaps you're ignorant of a few things. We fully supported France selling arms to Iraq when we wanted Iraq to attack Iran. We fully supported Iraqi pilots being trained in france, and French pilots flying missions against Iran in French built but Iraqi owned Mirage fighters. We fully supported Saddam Hussein. We funded him, we even trained his soldiers in insurgency tactics that they're now using against us. We propped him up and unleashed him on his neighbours for years. We also turned a blind eye to him using those dreaded WMDs on Iranian soldiers as well as on the Kurds. We continued to support him as he stockpiled these weapons and kept using them. We even told him we'd have no reaction to his invasion of Kuwait in retaliation for their cross drilling into Iraqi oil fields and Iraq's historic claim to the territory of Kuwait, a repressive monarchy in itself. So, when we suddenly turn around and say 'you're no longer any use to us, we're going to destroy you and nobody better do business with you anymore' should we really be surprised when our allies say 'what the f.ck?'. I'll just go and smile at those photographs of Rummie having being received by Saddam in Iraq. Have a good one, Ari Signaturespammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. To jump to the end of the story, as a result of this I need a bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: http://www.abmdr.org.au/ http://www.marrow.org/ >>>>This whole French bashing thing makes the Americans that do >>>>it sound like children having a temper tantrum, and it really reflects [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Harv, perhaps you're ignorant Love your choice of words. of a few things. We fully supported France > selling arms to Iraq when we wanted Iraq to attack Iran. And we support Afghanistan when the Russians were making push to have a sea port in that part of the world. We fully > supported Iraqi pilots being trained in france, and French pilots flying > missions against Iran in French built but Iraqi owned Mirage fighters. We > fully supported Saddam Hussein. We funded him, we even trained his > soldiers in insurgency tactics that they're now using against us. Keep in mind that Iran was very much our enemy from the Jimmy Carter days. We > propped him up and unleashed him on his neighbours for years. We also > turned a blind eye to him using those dreaded WMDs on Iranian soldiers as > well as on the Kurds. What he did on his own people has been taken to accout and the US has said so. The Iran gov. has supported terrorism all over the world and you will probably find Osama sitting in the big middle of that country today. We continued to support him as he stockpiled > these weapons and kept using them. We even told him we'd have no reaction > to his invasion of Kuwait in retaliation for their cross drilling into > Iraqi oil fields and Iraq's historic claim to the territory of Kuwait, a > repressive monarchy in itself. That is pure unprovable bullshit and by saying it you are starting to prove your own ignorance. So, when we > suddenly turn around and say 'you're no longer any use to us, we're going > to destroy you and nobody better do business with you anymore' should we > really be surprised when our allies say 'what the f.ck?'. I'll just go and > smile at those photographs of Rummie having being received by Saddam in > Iraq. You might be surprised because much of what you think is incorrect. It was never said that way and when he made his move on Kuwait,,, they had the 4th largest army in the world and the world found out what the US Army can and will do. We could not allow Irag or Iran to control all of the mid-east oil. They were not going to stop with Iraq. The move on Arabia was next and all of the mid-east oil would of been in a mad mans hands. > Have a good one, Thanks I will and you sleep well. We are doing what has to be done because there is no one else that can. > Ari Harv <snip> > We continued to support him as he stockpiled >> these weapons and kept using them. We even told him we'd have no reaction [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That is pure unprovable bullshit and by saying it you are starting to > prove your own ignorance. ummmm . . . harv, technically, ari is historically correct on this. the papa bush administration did give saddam what is considered to be a "green light" to invade kuwait, in the international diplomatic core sense of the term. the point of view was and is still held, by even many of our own diplomats, that kuwait would be and will still be eventually annexed by iraq or another adjacent nation. the papa bush administration knew this and baby bush's administration knows this too. kate >> Ari >> > Harv > <snip> >> We continued to support him as he stockpiled [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > ummmm . . . harv, technically, ari is historically correct on this. Just because you agree with him does not make it the truth. the > papa bush administration did give saddam what is considered to be a "green > light" to invade kuwait, in the international diplomatic core sense of the > term. That did not come from Bush but from a statedepartment more in tune with Jimmy Carter. Todays Bush is having the same kinds of troubles with the international diplomatic core. the point of view was and is still held, by even many of our own > diplomats, that kuwait would be and will still be eventually annexed by > iraq or another adjacent nation. the papa bush administration knew this > and baby bush's administration knows this too. I do not know who thinks this way but it is not based in fact. I think that part of the world has learned from Afganistan and Iraq and will not make such a move. > kate > >>> Ari >>> >> Harv >> <snip> >>> We continued to support him as he stockpiled [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Just because you agree with him does not make it the truth. ***harv, it doesn't matter if you or i agree with ari or not. the historical record agrees with him. > the >> papa bush administration did give saddam what is considered to be a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Jimmy Carter. Todays Bush is having the same kinds of troubles with the > international diplomatic core. ***it came from bush's administration, because it came under bush's watch and his administration's state department. and btw, there were 8 years between carter and bush. most of the carter appointees were gone in the state dept. by then, replaced with reagan appointees. > the point of view was and is still held, by even many of our own >> diplomats, that kuwait would be and will still be eventually annexed by >> iraq or another adjacent nation. the papa bush administration knew this >> and baby bush's administration knows this too. > > I do not know who thinks this way but it is not based in fact. ***don't know how you can argue that it is not a fact that this is how they think about the region. it is a fact that this what the political overview is about that area of the world. I think > that part of the world has learned from Afganistan and Iraq and will not > make such a move. all such moves do not necessarily have to be made with aggression, harv. >> kate >> >>>> Ari >>>> >>> Harv I am tired of talking with you about politics. Just watch all the trees that get chopped down with the food for oil mess and learn something. Harv > I am tired of talking with you about politics. Just watch all the trees > that get chopped down with the food for oil mess and learn something. > > Harv Kinda helps if you leave a clue who you're responding to Harv? :\ Signature---------------------------------------------- "I am commited to helping Ohio deliver it's electoral votes to the president next year." - Walden O'Dell - CEO Diebold - Major GOP fundraiser 2003 "Aaaaaagh!" - Katherine Harris www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1027042harris1.html "Can you tell what it is yet?" - Rolf Harris www.deja-moo.co.uk/~mikesweb >> I am tired of talking with you about politics. Just watch all the trees >> that get chopped down with the food for oil mess and learn something. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Kinda helps if you leave a clue who you're responding to > Harv? :\ Please write this down someplace....... This newsgroup is for the support of arthritis and that applies to everyone. Harv > >> I am tired of talking with you about politics. Just watch all the trees > >> that get chopped down with the food for oil mess and learn something. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Harv Did you notice the subject line perchance? Has there recently been a thread on the very subject of political and/or OT subject matter? Is THIS post/thread marked "political"? Or, more to the point, did your prejudices recently get a scrambling, and now you don't like this thread any more? Come on Harv. You're not the first to stick your foot in your mouth and get caught out doing it. :) Signature---------------------------------------------- "I am commited to helping Ohio deliver it's electoral votes to the president next year." - Walden O'Dell - CEO Diebold - Major GOP fundraiser 2003 "Aaaaaagh!" - Katherine Harris www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1027042harris1.html "Can you tell what it is yet?" - Rolf Harris www.deja-moo.co.uk/~mikesweb Terror Alert......I thought that meant the kids were coming! Bruce >> >> I am tired of talking with you about politics. Just watch all the >> >> trees [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Come on Harv. You're not the first to stick your foot in > your mouth and get caught out doing it. :) >Terror Alert......I thought that meant the kids were coming! <snort> ROFLMAO Thanks for the laugh, Bruce --- Joan > Did you notice the subject line perchance? You are right about that and this is my last post on this thread. > Or, more to the point, did your prejudices recently get a > scrambling, and now you don't like this thread any more? My prejudices are what they were and your words do not change me in any way. > Come on Harv. You're not the first to stick your foot in > your mouth and get caught out doing it. :) You have to understand American politics well enough to know when the state department sandbags the president. Bush-1 made mistakes in not controlling that and then the big one when he raised taxes. Clinton raised taxes on Soc.Sec. which bashed seniors in a big way but nothing was said from the controlled press. Like I said this is my last post on a thread that does not belong in this newsgroup. I think that everyone is tired of politics and it serves no real purpose now except for someone like you,,, Mike. Harv > > Did you notice the subject line perchance? > > You are right about that and this is my last post on this thread. Okie-dokie. > > Or, more to the point, did your prejudices recently get a > > scrambling, and now you don't like this thread any more? > > My prejudices are what they were and your words do not change me in any way. Not my business to even try Harv. > > Come on Harv. You're not the first to stick your foot in > > your mouth and get caught out doing it. :) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > purpose now except for someone like you,,, Mike. > Harv Er... did I miss a line here? I was indulging in a little light banter about you getting your foot in your mouth, which I can relate to, and I think maybe you've taken it a tad seriously. Though I COULD get into a MASSIVE argument about this, that, and possibly the other, that is NOT what I was about here. Unclench Harv. I'm not gunning for ya. ...and do drop the dig-ettess huh? "someone like you,,,Mike" I mean, how OLD are we now? ;) :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) SMILE! You're probably on someone's camera! Signature---------------------------------------------- "I am commited to helping Ohio deliver it's electoral votes to the president next year." - Walden O'Dell - CEO Diebold - Major GOP fundraiser 2003 "Aaaaaagh!" - Katherine Harris www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1027042harris1.html "Can you tell what it is yet?" - Rolf Harris www.deja-moo.co.uk/~mikesweb > Keep in mind that Iran was very much our enemy from the Jimmy Carter days. If I recall correctly, it was during the Carter administration that we first began culitvating Saddam as a weapon. > We > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > so. The Iran gov. has supported terrorism all over the world and you will > probably find Osama sitting in the big middle of that country today. Iran is no angel, but neither are we. At least after all this time they're moving, slowly, towards a more moderate regime. I think it would have come a lot sooner had they not lost so many millions to Saddam's invasion attempt. Our backing of that really messed things up with Iran, but despite this there were still spontaneous shows of support in Iranian cities FOR the US after September 11. President Bush made a real error in that 'axis of evil' speech. Iran is not a place I'd like to visit, but hopefully in years to come there slow crawl towards democracy will continue until they resemble the nation that many Iranians (arguably most Iranians) want. I still wouldn't mind seeing some of those bunker buster bombs we recently sold to Israel accidentally hitting that Iraqi nuclear 'energy' enrichment facility. > We continued to support him as he stockpiled > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > That is pure unprovable bullshit and by saying it you are starting to prove > your own ignorance. It's a matter of public record. Our embassador conveyed it herself. Or are you talking about Kuwait historically being part of Iraq? > So, when we > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You might be surprised because much of what you think is incorrect. Please enlighten me. > It was never said that way and when he made his move on Kuwait,,, they had > the 4th largest army in the world and the world found out what the US Army > can and will do. And therefore? The French were part of our alliance then. Then we decided not to remove Saddam. This prompted many of our then allies to ponder 'what the f.ck?' after they'd committed their resources to the mission. > We could not allow Irag or Iran to control all of the > mid-east oil. They were not going to stop with Iraq. You mean Kuwait, right? > The move on Arabia > was next and all of the mid-east oil would of been in a mad mans hands. Perhaps, but when you look at what the Saudis did with all that money, and then look at Ground Zero, you have to pause and wonder if we chose correctly between those two evils. >>Have a good one, > > Thanks I will and you sleep well. I'll try, but this damned sickness just seems unrelenting and it's going on two months now. > We are doing what has to be done because > there is no one else that can. At this point in time, yes. We had the opportunity in Desert Storm to assist the Iraqi people in removing him, and we erred a second time in allowing that uprising to be brutally put down. We encouraged Iraqis in the north and south to revolt and then allowed them to be slaughtered. I remember the reports coming in about that, and I was angered then and I'm angry now. A significant stimulus for our insurgency problems in Iraq comes from survivors of those pogroms. People that feel betrayed by us, and with the way the suffered after Desert Storm, I really can't blame them. I'm glad Saddam is gone. I think it should have been planned better and that the President had listened to his military advisers more. His father made the same mistake: General Schwarzkopf was not pleased about being told not to go to Baghdad to get Saddam. I also feel that we were lied to about the reasons for going to war. If the President had said something like this, then we would have had far less disunity and more international support: 'America has been messing around with Saddam for too long. We need to take responsibility for our past mistakes and remove him from power to face trial for crimes against humanity, a task which we should have done years ago.' The whole WMD and terrorism arguements for invasion were crap, and I remember ranting about this pre invasion. I still don't think the French bashing we're seeing is called for. I feel it diminishes us as Americans to behave in such a way towards our long time friends and allies. Signaturespammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. To jump to the end of the story, as a result of this I need a bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: http://www.abmdr.org.au/ http://www.marrow.org/ >> Keep in mind that Iran was very much our enemy from the Jimmy Carter >> days. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Iran is no angel, but neither are we. At least after all this time they're > moving, slowly, towards a more moderate regime. The people are and sometimes we have to pay attention to the difference between the gov. and the people. I think it would > have come a lot sooner had they not lost so many millions to Saddam's > invasion attempt. Our backing of that really messed things up with Iran, > but despite this there were still spontaneous shows of support in Iranian > cities FOR the US after September 11. President Bush made a real error in > that 'axis of evil' speech. Only in your mind. He told it just like it is and who they are Iran is not a place I'd like to > visit, but hopefully in years to come there slow crawl towards democracy > will continue until they resemble the nation that many Iranians (arguably > most Iranians) want. I still wouldn't mind seeing some of those bunker > buster bombs we recently sold to Israel accidentally hitting that Iraqi > nuclear 'energy' enrichment facility. The problem with doing that with Iran is that they have the same program working in 10 different places and with missles from China,,,, I would not be surprised to see the Jews that out that breeder reactor just like they took out Saddams. >> We continued to support him as he stockpiled >>>these weapons and kept using them. We even told him we'd have no reaction >>>to his invasion of Kuwait in retaliation for their cross drilling into >>>Iraqi oil fields and Iraq's historic claim to the territory of Kuwait, a >>>repressive monarchy in itself. I do not agree with that but double meanings are not a new thing to what diplomats say. >> That is pure unprovable bullshit and by saying it you are starting to >> prove your own ignorance. > > It's a matter of public record. Our embassador conveyed it herself. I do not believe that is true. >> It was never said that way and when he made his move on Kuwait,,, they >> had the 4th largest army in the world and the world found out what the US [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You mean Kuwait, right? Yes, sorry. >> The move on Arabia was next and all of the mid-east oil would of been in >> a mad mans hands. > > Perhaps, but when you look at what the Saudis did with all that money, and > then look at Ground Zero, you have to pause and wonder if we chose > correctly between those two evils. Ground Zero is not from that decision. You forget that this is the second attempt on that site and the choice to do nothing then caused the made the second a sure thing. >>>Have a good one, >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > and with the way the suffered after Desert Storm, I really can't blame > them. I can't blame them either. There is very little we can do to correct those mistakes other than to not make them again and to have people running our government that will stay the corse and leave government behind that can fight again the radical element trying to rule that part of the world. Such a government is in place in Afganistan and will be in place in Iraq. Nooobody notices what has taken place there but believe me with I say Iran is noticeing. So is North Korea. > I'm glad Saddam is gone. I think it should have been planned better and > that the President had listened to his military advisers more. His father [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > like this, then we would have had far less disunity and more international > support: Sorry,,, I like what you say but have to disagree. All of Europe and the UN put pressure on the US to stop. We did not know how many people were in the pay of Irag. We did not realize that Irag owed France, Germany, and Russia large sums for their military programs which would of been wiped out if the whole country was over run. Bush-1 did what the statedepartment and the UN wanted. He was also dumb enough to raise taxes and it put him back on the street. > 'America has been messing around with Saddam for too long. We need to take > responsibility for our past mistakes and remove him from power to face > trial for crimes against humanity, a task which we should have done years > ago.' > The whole WMD and terrorism arguements for invasion were crap, and I > remember ranting about this pre invasion. You will find those WMDs in Syria and he moved the enriched uranium was moved to Iran......... > I still don't think the French bashing we're seeing is called for. I feel > it diminishes us as Americans to behave in such a way towards our long > time friends and allies. You have every right to feel that way if you want to. By the way, it is not bashing to hold people accountable for their actions. Thank you for giving me your opinions without the name calling and political half truth's. Harv Ari, I thought you said you would change your language. Gwen > > Keep in mind that Iran was very much our enemy from the Jimmy Carter days. > [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > feel it diminishes us as Americans to behave in such a way towards our > long time friends and allies. > Ari, I thought you said you would change your language. > Gwen ??? Signaturespammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. To jump to the end of the story, as a result of this I need a bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: http://www.abmdr.org.au/ http://www.marrow.org/ > And you better get rid of the Statue of Liberty, too, seeing as it came > from France. This whole French bashing thing makes the Americans that do [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Ari LOLOLOL it just has to be but what have you done for me lately. Without humor,,, without a tantrum,,, France has not been a friend to the USA in lots of years and there is a lot of proof but you know that. Harv >> ?TERRORISM ALERT IN FRANCE >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > kate There is a great deal of truth in what you say and it could be that they have better ties to people in this area. The food for oil investigation is going to prove that. Harv >>> ?TERRORISM ALERT IN FRANCE >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > is going to prove that. > Harv meaning/implying what, harv?--- that the french government's counter-terrorist intelligence agencies have ties to terrorists, of a promotional nature? gee, that makes it kind of bizarre that they would hunt down, imprison and turn over terrorists to us, in that event. that would be like biting off (not just nipping) the hand that feeds them. doncha, think? maybe the "oil for food" investigation will not prove that, in the way you think it will, harv----maybe, that investigation will simply prove there are greedy and unscrupulous corporations (led by greedy and unscrupulous c.e.o.s), in france and in those other nations (supported by "a few" corrupted officials in high places), just as there are here in the states and in every other nation? and even "IF" that does wind up being the case, harv, (the conclusion of the investigation that i proposed, i mean) don't the french have a right to their opinions of what our nation does? and doesn't every independent nation have a right to determine it does not want to participate in the actions of another nation, when it does not deem them to be correct actions, without being bashed and demonized for it? as an individual, i don't expect my friends to agree with everything i say and do. i don't expect my friends to go against their own wisdom and instincts. i don't expect my friends to join me, in all my chosen battles, exactly the way i want them to. i don't bash and demonize my friends for not doing these things. and i certainly don't expect these things of them as proof of their friendship. if i did these things, i'd have no friends. kate >>>> ?TERRORISM ALERT IN FRANCE >>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > meaning/implying what, harv? Wait until you get all the information about the food for oil investigation and you will understand. I am not -- that the french government's > counter-terrorist intelligence agencies have ties to terrorists, of a > promotional nature? gee, that makes it kind of bizarre that they would > hunt down, imprison and turn over terrorists to us, in that event. that > would be like biting off (not just nipping) the hand that feeds them. > doncha, think? I think you are getting bad information but you write a good story. > maybe the "oil for food" investigation will not prove that, in the way you > think it will, harv----maybe, that investigation will simply prove there > are greedy and unscrupulous corporations I am not surprised that you would think that but I like to go with the facts and what is proven. (led by greedy and unscrupulous > c.e.o.s), in france and in those other nations (supported by "a few" > corrupted officials in high places), just as there are here in the states [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the investigation that i proposed, i mean) don't the french have a right > to their opinions of what our nation does? Sure they do....... but I do not have to like it what they do or say or put importance on what they think. and doesn't every independent > nation have a right to determine it does not want to participate in the > actions of another nation, when it does not deem them to be correct > actions, without being bashed and demonized for it? Sure they do and lets see how they talk and act if they have a 9-11 attack or have you forgotten the Russian school or the Spanish train attack or what the Jews live with everyday in their home land. > as an individual, i don't expect my friends to agree with everything i say > and do. i don't expect my friends to go against their own wisdom and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > kate I am glad that you do not act that way and friendship is important. I do not act that way either and have (like you) plenty of real friends that treat me just like I treat them. When your RA is acting up a good friend to help you is valuable. Harv > TERRORISM ALERT IN FRANCE > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The alert was precipitated by the recent fire which destroyed > France's only white flag factory, effectively disabling their military. You surely know how provocative this one is? Signature--------------------------- "I am commited to helping Ohio deliver it's electoral votes to the president next year." Walden O'Dell - CEO Diebold - Major GOP fundraiser 2003 "Can you tell what it is yet?" Rolf Harris www.deja-moo.co.uk/~mikesweb That's a groaner! Gwen > ?TERRORISM ALERT IN FRANCE > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The alert was precipitated by the recent fire which destroyed > France's only white flag factory, effectively disabling their military. |
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