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any warfarin takers have surgery ?

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DCHAM - 04 Dec 2004 18:11 GMT
hi all,
my brother, tom, age 65, has a growth called a schwannoma in his chest. it's
pressing against the esophagus, heart and a bit into the spinal column. he will
have major surgery to remove it in january, and i will go to NJ to be his nurse
as he recovers. i  am scared, though. he has hypercoagulable blood and takes
warfarin to thin it. he can throw clots anywhere, not just from his legs as is
usually the case post-surgery. he had two pulmonary emboli years ago, before he
was diagnosed with this condition. pre-surgery, they are putting a "filter"
into the veins (artery? i need an anatomy lesson) coming from his legs to catch
any clots coming from there. he will have to go off the warfarin before the
surgery, and they will monitor his blood while he's in the hospital (about 6
days) and if needed, treat him with heparin. my concern is when i get him home
after the surgery. he cannot be on blood thinners for several weeks, and i'm so
afraid he'll get a clot. of course i will discuss this with his doc, but i'm
wondering how those of you who take blood thinners have managed post surgery?

diane
d'huit - 04 Dec 2004 18:57 GMT
i haven't taken it, but just wanted you to know that i'll be keeping your
brother, tom and his surgery, in my thoughts and prayers, and praying you
will get the guidance you are seeking.  when, in january, is his surgery
slated for, diane?

kate

> hi all,
> my brother, tom, age 65, has a growth called a schwannoma in his chest.
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>
> diane
DCHAM - 04 Dec 2004 19:38 GMT
thanks for this good info, jo.

diane
Jo Firey - 04 Dec 2004 19:28 GMT
> hi all,
> my brother, tom, age 65, has a growth called a schwannoma in his chest.
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>
> diane

I had an embolism years ago and took warfarin for it for the usual six
months.  I had a clot in my left shoulder from the pic line after my major
surgery two years ago.  It was two weeks after surgery, but I had to go back
in the hospital for several days on heparin and the six months of warfarin
again.  The main effect this time was it added several weeks to the time it
took for the surgical wound to heal.  It kept draining for nearly two
months.

I'd guess once they realize the clotting problem, then will keep him on some
level of blood thinner to get him closer to normal before, during, and after
the surgery.

A friend of my daughter had a lot of clots and ended up needing the
"strainers" to keep them from reaching her heart.  She has done well with
it.

Just be very sure that someone is paying attention and monitoring his clot
rate all the time before, during, and after the surgery.

And read up on the foods that mess with the clot rate if you will be taking
care of him.  There is a short list of things to avoid.

Jo
firechief - 04 Dec 2004 19:48 GMT
Diane wrote:

> they are putting a "filter" into the veins (artery? i need an anatomy
> lesson) coming from his legs to catch any clots coming from there.

What type of anatomy?    <g>

When I was with the P.D. and everyone had to complete First Aid
training because the department operated the ambulance service
in town, one of the first "crutches" we learned was the "A" in Artery
(and Aorta) was Away from the heart.

That leaves the veins to be the returning vessels.
Caroline Marold - 06 Dec 2004 00:35 GMT
Mother is on coumadin and her doctor switchs her to
heprin before surgery.
Duckie

> hi all,
> my brother, tom, age 65, has a growth called a schwannoma in his chest. it's
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>
> diane

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Pope Pie \(Sy Lehrman\) - 06 Dec 2004 01:53 GMT
> Mother is on coumadin and her doctor switchs her to
> heprin before surgery.
> Duckie

I can't imagine that makes a difference, but I'm sure the doc knows what to
do about it.  When I was on coumadin a few years ago dentists wouldn't see
me and doctors would hardly touch me.  I had to have a minor surgery and the
doctor debated whether or not to do it after I was off for two months.  I
injured a toe and it was bleeding like mad and a doctor was telling me about
various things he could do until I told him I was taking coumadin and,
without another word, he started wrapping it in layers and layers of
bandages until I couldn't get my shoe on.

My only advice is make sure that everyone clearly understands that mom takes
the drug.  Tell them until they get impatient with you.
Caroline Marold - 06 Dec 2004 18:30 GMT
The rumor [remember this is at least third hand info
now] is that heprin clears the body quickly while
coumadin does not.
Duckie

Pope Pie (Sy Lehrman) wrote:

>>Mother is on coumadin and her doctor switchs her to
>>heprin before surgery.
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> My only advice is make sure that everyone clearly understands that mom takes
> the drug.  Tell them until they get impatient with you.

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Pope Pie \(Sy Lehrman\) - 07 Dec 2004 01:54 GMT
> The rumor [remember this is at least third hand info
> now] is that heprin clears the body quickly while
> coumadin does not.
> Duckie

That may well be, and I speak with not experteze, when I first went in with
that blood clot I had a hepernin drip for days on end and afterward was
expected to do something similar with a few tablets of warfarin.  I suppose
that if the heprin (how is that spelled?) had a cumulative effect it
wouldn't have been given in such quantity.

That rumor is probably correct.....
Squirrely - 06 Dec 2004 19:18 GMT
Sending good thoughts your brothers way and your way also. Sending prayers
also.

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Love and hugs to all
Good thoughts coming your way too.

Squirrely Jo

> > hi all,
> > my brother, tom, age 65, has a growth called a schwannoma in his chest. it's
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> > diane
 
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