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Very much on topic,,,, RA lung,,,, TB    and me

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Harvey R. Stone - 30 Nov 2004 22:47 GMT
   Well, I got a chance to see my CT scan and what RA lung looks like... I
did not like it a bit but,,,, that makes no difference.   I could see the
scaring in both lungs....  I go in the morning to have a real breath test to
form a base line for the future.   The little one I took today in the
doctors office showed that I was normal.
    He got very serious about the positive TB test.  Tomorrow I start on
ISONIAZID for 8 months which can be very hard on a persons liver.   Sooo,
its back to once a month on blood tests and I have to watch my type 2 blood
testing very closely and Noooo alcohol,, at all.
    Doesn't that just make a person shake their head????  Not doing
anything about the RA lung but a big deal about the TB which can not be seen
on CT scan.   So it goes and that starts tomorrow.....  Today's for now,,,,,
its a little bourbon an distilled water going down smooth.
I just bought some too..  Aaah well,, it gets better with age,,, 8 months of
age and this hi-powered antibiotic.   So it goes.   Sorry if I have been
kind of crabby lately.   Getting this done had me going for a few days.
Boy, I did not like all those white lines,,,scars and it really is a good
thing I stopped smoking 25 or so years ago.
Harv

Ps  How about you?
debbie m. - 30 Nov 2004 22:57 GMT
(((((((((((((Harv))))))))))

glad you have a dx anyway

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>     Well, I got a chance to see my CT scan and what RA lung looks like... I
> did not like it a bit but,,,, that makes no difference.   I could see the
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>
> Ps  How about you?
Smokie Darling (Annie) - 30 Nov 2004 23:05 GMT
Harvey R. Stone:
Well, I got a chance to see my CT scan and what RA lung looks
like... I
did not like it a bit but,,,, that makes no difference.   I could see
the
scaring in both lungs.... I go in the morning to have a real breath
test to
form a base line for the future.   The little one I took today in the
doctors office showed that I was normal.
He got very serious about the positive TB test.  Tomorrow I start
on
ISONIAZID for 8 months which can be very hard on a persons liver.
Sooo,
its back to once a month on blood tests and I have to watch my type 2
blood
testing very closely and Noooo alcohol,, at all.
Doesn't that just make a person shake their head????  Not doing
anything about the RA lung but a big deal about the TB which can not be
seen
on CT scan.   So it goes and that starts tomorrow.....  Today's for
now,,,,,
its a little bourbon an distilled water going down smooth.
I just bought some too.. Aaah well,, it gets better with age,,, 8
months of
age and this hi-powered antibiotic.   So it goes.   Sorry if I have
been
kind of crabby lately.   Getting this done had me going for a few days.

Boy, I did not like all those white lines,,,scars and it really is a
good
thing I stopped smoking 25 or so years ago.
Harv

Ps How about you?

Oh my gosh...  I can't believe that you are taking this so well.  I'm
not a big bourbon drinker, but I do like my occasional beer and my
Bailey's and coffee, oh and my Glenfiddich and water.  Lordy, I sound
like a lush now!

Perhaps your breathing is within the "normal" range?  Are you currently
at altitude?  Did you ever live at altitude?  It's said that those of
us above a certain "line" have larger lungs and heart (to process the
lesser oxygen), so maybe that could be why?

Oh, the whys don't matter, only that it is showing normal.
You are in my thoughts and prayers.

Smokie Darling (Annie)
Rosemarie Shiver - 30 Nov 2004 23:25 GMT
  Glad to know they're gonna put you on the TB med. One step at a time,
Harv. First that med. then back to the Remicade or whatever you'll be
getting at that time.

   I'm hoping to get back on meds. this week. It won't be Bextra...mebbe
I'll talk her into a whole lotta Celebrex with an occasional Voltaren. But
getting back on the Neurontin is crucial. I have nerve pain radiating from
my neck down my right arm now too and my sleep is rotten. I don't drink at
all...so perhaps tonite I'll Tylenol PM myself.

   Anyways, I'm glad you're not waiting and wondering.....that, for me is
the worst part. <g> One day at a time.

Harv Hugs from Rosie

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>     Well, I got a chance to see my CT scan and what RA lung looks like... I
> did not like it a bit but,,,, that makes no difference.   I could see the
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>
> Ps  How about you?
Nann Bell - 01 Dec 2004 14:31 GMT
>     I'm hoping to get back on meds. this week. It won't be Bextra...mebbe
> I'll talk her into a whole lotta Celebrex with an occasional Voltaren. But
> getting back on the Neurontin is crucial. I have nerve pain radiating from
> my neck down my right arm now too and my sleep is rotten. I don't drink at
> all...so perhaps tonite I'll Tylenol PM myself.

are you getting Rx coverage again, or are you having to do the dance to get
meds?  just so I can keep it in mind.......

And what is going on in your neck?  I'd forgotten you have neck problems.  My
traction unit is doing me so much good.  It's invaluable for my neck probs.  
(I like the traction table at PT even better, but can't justify asking for
that referral right now as the situation has eased up a fair amount.  
sigh....)

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Squirrely - 02 Dec 2004 20:10 GMT
Hey Rosie,

Thanks for thinking of me over on AMF. That was kind of you to mention me.
But really you don't have to worry or be concerned. I will be fine, I always
am, even when I'm not. ;-)

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Love and hugs to all
Good thoughts coming your way too.

Squirrely Jo

Nanny - 16 Dec 2004 05:33 GMT
What say again?  ;-)  Nanny
> Hey Rosie,
>
> Thanks for thinking of me over on AMF. That was kind of you to mention me.
> But really you don't have to worry or be concerned. I will be fine, I
> always
> am, even when I'm not. ;-)
Squirrely - 16 Dec 2004 20:01 GMT
In other words, Nanny, I am always fine even when it is so tough going. The
support I get from my groups keep me going. Infact that is all that is
keeping me going lately. It is good to have supportive friends. There have
been a few days I have just felt like giving up. But I go out and get cards
in the mail or a phone call from a friend, and it is all better.

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Good thoughts coming your way too.

Squirrely Jo

> What say again?  ;-)  Nanny
> > Hey Rosie,
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> > always
> > am, even when I'm not. ;-)
Nanny - 27 Dec 2004 03:25 GMT
I know, Squirrely, I was just being ornery and teasing you.  Actually, by
giving to others like you do, more blessings come back to you.  It's all in
how we cope, and you're doing just fine!  Nanny
> In other words, Nanny, I am always fine even when it is so tough going.
> The
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>> > always
>> > am, even when I'm not. ;-)
Gwen Love - 30 Nov 2004 23:54 GMT
Harv, my breathing test in doctor's office tested normal also.  I didn't see
either the CT scan or the PET scan.  I think I'll ask to see the CT scan
next appointment.
Gwen

>     Well, I got a chance to see my CT scan and what RA lung looks like... I
> did not like it a bit but,,,, that makes no difference.   I could see the
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>
> Ps  How about you?
Harvey R. Stone - 01 Dec 2004 04:13 GMT
> Harv, my breathing test in doctor's office tested normal also.  I didn't
> see
> either the CT scan or the PET scan.  I think I'll ask to see the CT scan
> next appointment.
> Gwen

Hi Gwen,,,,  I have been thinking about this.   I would ask first of my RD
if there is anything a person can do for  RA lung.   If the answer is
nothing,,,,,,, why worry about something we can do nothing about????

Harv
Lee Thompson-Herbert - 05 Dec 2004 09:06 GMT
>> Harv, my breathing test in doctor's office tested normal also.  I didn't
>> see
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>if there is anything a person can do for  RA lung.   If the answer is
>nothing,,,,,,, why worry about something we can do nothing about????

They mostly need to keep track of it now.  The time to be worried is if
it starts to progress again.  Also, your lung function can suddenly and
disasterously go downhill from viral infections, so they need to have
a baseline to measure against.  My pulmonologist pointed out that he has
several patients who are now on Humira for RA who also have asthma.  Their
asthma has improved considerably since starting Humira, which suggests that
there's a lot of autoimmune activity going on.  There's another monoclonal
antibody, Xolaire, that's approved for severe asthma now.  So there's
recognition that the inflammitory component of asthma may have an autoimmune
cause.  Also, MTX has been used for severe asthma for years.

Therefore, the drugs you're already on may be the reason that your lung
function tests are coming out "normal."  If you weren't on drugs that
drove down the inflammitory compounds in your system, you might not fare
quite so well.  My pulmonologist's opinion on this is "if it's working,
don't mess with it."

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Harvey R. Stone - 05 Dec 2004 15:18 GMT
Thanks,,, makes sense to me.
Harv

>>> Harv, my breathing test in doctor's office tested normal also.  I didn't
>>> see
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> quite so well.  My pulmonologist's opinion on this is "if it's working,
> don't mess with it."
d'huit - 01 Dec 2004 00:12 GMT
((((((harv)))))))  kick back and enjoy your bourbon and branch, guy.  you
deserve it.  it's a good sign that your breathing in the small test was
normal.  i think it's also a good sign that tb isn't so prevalent that it
showed up in the scan.  means that much less for your lungs to have to deal
with.  8 months will fly; it always does.  time does for me, anyway.  it's
understandable that you would be a bit crabby, with all this on your mind.
keeping you in my healing thoughts and prayers.
kate

>    Well, I got a chance to see my CT scan and what RA lung looks like... I
> did not like it a bit but,,,, that makes no difference.   I could see the
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>
> Ps  How about you?
Cindy - 01 Dec 2004 01:11 GMT
Harv, My prayers are with you...I hope that the TB meds do the trick...My
daughter was exposed to TB when she worked as a jailer..
She tested positive and had to take the drugs....
So far she is doing fine...
Praying that you do as well...
Hugs Cindy
>    Well, I got a chance to see my CT scan and what RA lung looks like... I
> did not like it a bit but,,,, that makes no difference.   I could see the
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>
> Ps  How about you?
Janet R - 01 Dec 2004 01:32 GMT
{{{{{Harv}}}}}}
Dang, you have had a big day!  Take some long, slow sips on that drink
you made yourself.  Eight months will fly by in no time.  Sorry to
hear the RA lung news, but we all deal.  Its a speed bump on our road
of health.

More hugs {{{{{{{{{Harv}}}}}}}}

Janet R

|    Well, I got a chance to see my CT scan and what RA lung looks like... I
| did not like it a bit but,,,, that makes no difference.   I could see the
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| Ps  How about you?
Harvey R. Stone - 01 Dec 2004 04:24 GMT
> {{{{{Harv}}}}}}
> Dang, you have had a big day!  Take some long, slow sips on that drink
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>
> Janet R

Thank you everyone.   I am better now.   Tomorrow is the big breath test for
the record and I take my first a.s kicking anti-biotic pill.
Hayyyy none of us are teenagers anymore and we deal with death everytime we
get in the car or walk across the street.   I am worrying about something
that takes years to take a persons life and an airplane could land on my a.s 
tomorrow.   Ya know what I mean???  We can deal with this  but no more beer
,,,,,bourbon ,,,,even a margarita,,,,  what the hell,,,, where's that
airplane???  LOLOLOL just kidding.

Harv
Cooly - 01 Dec 2004 04:50 GMT
Harv I'm sorry to hear that you have to take the antibiotics and I hope some
good news is coming soon.  I promise to do my part so the Budweiser stock
doesn't drop while you can't partake.  It was great talking to you when I
was in Houston and I promise if the sun shines next time I'll try to make it
to the south end of town next time.
Cooly

>    Well, I got a chance to see my CT scan and what RA lung looks like... I
> did not like it a bit but,,,, that makes no difference.   I could see the
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>
> Ps  How about you?
Harvey R. Stone - 01 Dec 2004 22:37 GMT
> Harv I'm sorry to hear that you have to take the antibiotics and I hope
> some good news is coming soon.  I promise to do my part so the Budweiser
> stock doesn't drop while you can't partake.  It was great talking to you
> when I was in Houston and I promise if the sun shines next time I'll try
> to make it to the south end of town next time.
> Cooly

I am just sorry that about the time you called the wife and I had to go to
SugarLand and babysit for about a week.    You bet,,, we will do the Space
Center,  Kemah, and Galveston.  You have to know where to go ya know   but I
am tellen ya,,,, I have to be through with this TB stuff.  Boy,,, its worse
than Methx.
Harv
Cooly - 02 Dec 2004 05:18 GMT
>> Harv I'm sorry to hear that you have to take the antibiotics and I hope
>> some good news is coming soon.  I promise to do my part so the Budweiser
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> worse than Methx.
> Harv

Hang in there Harv and don't be afraid to call the doctor and complain,
maybe there's something he can give you for the side effects.
Cooly
DiWitt - 01 Dec 2004 04:53 GMT
{{{{{{HARV}}}}}  I've seen that white webbing in my Mom's xrays for years
now and I know what you mean. Just looks out of place doesn't it?  Hang in
there Harv and know we are all here for you.

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>    Well, I got a chance to see my CT scan and what RA lung looks like... I
> did not like it a bit but,,,, that makes no difference.   I could see the
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>
> Ps  How about you?
DCHAM - 01 Dec 2004 05:14 GMT
harv, sorry for the icky news. you can be as crabby as you like. hope the
breath test goes ok.

diane
Harvey R. Stone - 01 Dec 2004 22:45 GMT
> harv, sorry for the icky news. you can be as crabby as you like. hope the
> breath test goes ok.
>
> diane

Hahahaha  OOoooh, I know better but thanks anyway.   That was quite some
deal and it took longer than I thought it would.  It was the first time I
ever had a blood test from an artery but the  Tech was really good at what
she does and you would think that it would be easy for me to Blow Hard,,,,
and soft  and with little in, outs. We have a base line now and I am sure I
will be back every year to do it all over.  Good Lord willen and the creek
don't rise.
    The only thing that bothers me other than the medicine is that I am
doing nothing for the RA lung,,,,, that I know of.
Harv
Jo Firey - 01 Dec 2004 23:37 GMT
>> harv, sorry for the icky news. you can be as crabby as you like. hope the
>> breath test goes ok.
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> ever had a blood test from an artery but the  Tech was really good at what
> she does

Sending prayers that its the only blood gas (artery) you ever need, or that
you always get good techs.  They can be pure unadulterated hell.  Right
Donna?

Jo
Adelle D. Stavis, Esq. - 01 Dec 2004 05:26 GMT
Sorry all this is happening. Hope the breathing test goes OK.

As for the ABX - stock up on acidophilus; the kind with million or more
active "units" (brain fog. Can't think of the right term). ABX can make you
even more cranky. That's OK by us.

Hang in - we're all behind you, raising our glasses in tribute and drinking
our share plus yours. ;-)

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Joan Carter - 01 Dec 2004 17:29 GMT
>Sorry all this is happening. Hope the breathing test goes OK.
>
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>Hang in - we're all behind you, raising our glasses in tribute and drinking
>our share plus yours. ;-)

What she said, Harvey. Only I can't raise a glass, well, ginger ale maybe. MTX
says no booze. I told my RD I *might* have a glass of wine at Christmas, but on
the other hand, why bother? Even before meds I would go months without a glass
of wine. Maybe I'll have one for New Year's or Valentine's Day instead. :-)
---
Joan
firechief - 01 Dec 2004 18:59 GMT
> What she said, Harvey. Only I can't raise a glass, well, ginger ale maybe.
> MTX says no booze. I told my RD I *might* have a glass of wine at
> Christmas, but on the other hand, why bother? Even before meds I
> would go months without a glass of wine. Maybe I'll have one for New
> Year's or Valentine's Day instead. :-)

When I received a prescription with a "NO ALCOHOL" label, I asked
the pharmacist if that was an outright ban.

He replied with a question, "How much do you drink?"

I told him 3 or 4 glasses of wine a month, if that much, when dining out.

He came back with, "Don't worry!   That's no problem.  We're trying to
stop the 6-pak-a-night drinkers."   (Who remembers New Jersey?)

So it pays to ask.  Remember, most fruit begins fermenting even
before it's picked, and we may be consuming more that way than
with a a can of beer or a glass of wine.   Non-pasturized juices are
loaded with alcohol.  Mr. Welch is credited with being the first to
use the pasturizing process to remove it from his grape juice in
the mid-1800's.  (He didn't invent/discover pasturizing, he was
the first to use it with juices.)
Jo Firey - 01 Dec 2004 19:22 GMT
>> What she said, Harvey. Only I can't raise a glass, well, ginger ale
>> maybe.
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> the mid-1800's.  (He didn't invent/discover pasturizing, he was
> the first to use it with juices.)

Now you have me craving a glass of "fizzy" cider.  My parents didn't drink,
but mom preferred the fresh apple cider after it had aged a little bit.

And all this lovely talk when I'm drinking only water and would have my
fingers crossed if it were possible that the liver numbers come way down on
the test tomorrow.  Or its water thru New Years.

Jo
firechief - 02 Dec 2004 02:34 GMT
> And all this lovely talk when I'm drinking only water and
> would have my fingers crossed if it were possible that
> the liver numbers come way down on the test tomorrow.

We'll cross our fingers, too, and throw in a prayer for you.

> Or its water thru New Years.

Well, as Olympia Beer (and Olympia Fire Department)
say -- IT'S THE WATER.    <g>
Joan Carter - 01 Dec 2004 22:35 GMT
>I told him 3 or 4 glasses of wine a month, if that much, when dining out.
>
> He came back with, "Don't worry!   That's no problem.  We're trying to
> stop the 6-pak-a-night drinkers."

Ah, firechief, you are a fount of information. I guess I should raise a glass to
you and Harvey. :-)

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Joan
Jo Firey - 01 Dec 2004 23:39 GMT
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:59:59 -0800, "firechief" <firechief@jjfpd.gov> wrote
> in
> I guess I should raise a glass to
> you and Harvey. :-)
>
> ---
Joan

Whimper.  I want my Christmas morning mimosa.  It's the only way I can
survive till noon.

I drink very little and very seldom but there is nothing like telling me no
to make me want something.

Jo
Harvey R. Stone - 02 Dec 2004 09:17 GMT
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:59:59 -0800, "firechief" <firechief@jjfpd.gov> wrote
> in
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> ---
> Joan

Yes,,, he is   butttt for honesty's sake.   What is important is what a
persons bloodtests show, and the RD being fully informed with what is taking
place.... it really is team work.
    I might of been able to go above 20 mg of Methx if I had completely
stopped alcohol.  Everything has trade offssss and effects something else
and if a person has multi-diseases,,,, it gets even more complicated.   A
person really has to accept responsibility for their own actions, wants,
like and dislikes and an RD can only do the best he/she can with some people
who are very busy digging their own grave,,,, so to speak.
Harv
Joan Carter - 02 Dec 2004 15:58 GMT
>What is important is what a
>persons bloodtests show, and the RD being fully informed with what is taking
>place.... it really is team work.

Harvey, I was kidding.
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Joan
Harvey R. Stone - 01 Dec 2004 22:50 GMT
>>Sorry all this is happening. Hope the breathing test goes OK.
>>
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> ---
> Joan

Please get interested in exactly what your enzyme level reading is compared
against normal.    If you are borderline high,,,, leave that stuff alone and
take milk thistle too.  It helped me when mine got high after a bout of flu
and taking Arava.
Harv
Joan Carter - 02 Dec 2004 01:42 GMT
>Please get interested in exactly what your enzyme level reading is compared
>against normal.    If you are borderline high,,,, leave that stuff alone and
>take milk thistle too.  It helped me when mine got high after a bout of flu
>and taking Arava.

Everything is back to normal since I stopped the Arava. I asked the RD if that
meant *I* was normal too. He just laughed.

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Joan
firechief - 02 Dec 2004 02:30 GMT
> What she said, Harvey. Only I can't raise a glass, well,
> ginger ale maybe.

Where do you find ginger ale?

The only thing remotely resembling it around here is
"ginger flavored drink - artificially flavored."

Vernor's Ginger Ale, my one-time favorite, is no longer.
Janet R - 02 Dec 2004 03:28 GMT
We still have that here in Houston....come on down and pick ya up a
few 2 liters!  hehehehe

Janet R

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| Vernor's Ginger Ale, my one-time favorite, is no longer.
firechief - 02 Dec 2004 07:48 GMT
Joe wrote:

> Vernor's Ginger Ale, my one-time favorite, is no longer.

And Janet R replied:

> We still have that here in Houston....come on down and
> pick ya up a few 2 liters!  hehehehe

Are you sure?

Positive?

What does the label say?   Ginger Ale?  Or Ginger Drink?
Joan Carter - 02 Dec 2004 15:57 GMT
>Are you sure?
>
> Positive?
>
> What does the label say?   Ginger Ale?  Or Ginger Drink?

Oh, ye of little faith. :-)

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Joan
Janet R - 02 Dec 2004 18:15 GMT
I will check for you!  I have even seen it in cans!

Janet R

| Joe wrote:
|
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| What does the label say?   Ginger Ale?  Or Ginger Drink?
Joan Carter - 02 Dec 2004 03:47 GMT
> Where do you find ginger ale?

Just about anywhere. I like Canada Dry myself. Come to Canada and you can get
many different brands.

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Joan
firechief - 02 Dec 2004 07:54 GMT
Joe wrote and asked:

>> Where do you find ginger ale?

And Joan Carter answered his question with:

> Just about anywhere. I like Canada Dry myself.

Around here the new labels are "flavored" or "flavor".
Not at all like they were in the 50's, 60's and 70's.

> Come to Canada and you can get many different
> brands.

If nowhere else, I want to visit my mother's home in
Heatherton, Antigonish, N.S.   I still have so many
pleasant memories of visits to my grandmother, but
it has been 61 years (I was in the 2nd grade) since
my last trip there, when we left the  Boston area.
d'huit - 02 Dec 2004 16:40 GMT
> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:30:55 -0800, "firechief" <firechief@jjfpd.gov> wrote
> in
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> ---
> Joan

some of my favorite memories are of bringing in the new year, in the '50s
and '60s, with canada dry extra dry ginger ale.  that was my favorite.
haven't seen it in decades.  though i've tried regular canada dry and other
ginger ales, nothing else is as good.  do they even still make the extra
dry, i wonder?

kate
Adelle D. Stavis, Esq. - 02 Dec 2004 14:04 GMT
> > What she said, Harvey. Only I can't raise a glass, well,
> > ginger ale maybe.
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>  The only thing remotely resembling it around here is
>  "ginger flavored drink - artificially flavored."

Chelmsford (my adopted hometown) is famous for the Chelmsford Ginger Ale
factory that was in the center of town until about 30 years ago. A

A local soda maker bought the recipe and still makes real ginger ale made
with real ginger. Thin flavor, very peppery and not over sweetened. Don't
know if it's as good as the original stuff as I only moved here 14 years
ago. Only available in 2 ltr bottles though.

What's it worth to you for me to ship from Massachusetts?

Adelle
firechief - 02 Dec 2004 18:36 GMT
Adelle wrote:

> Chelmsford (my adopted hometown) is famous for the Chelmsford
> Ginger Ale factory that was in the center of town until about 30
> years ago.

> What's it worth to you for me to ship from Massachusetts?

I doubt if I'll ever return to my old stompping grounds in North Quincy
and Boston.  Probably rode through Chelmsford on U.S. 1 dozens of
times enroute to Nova Scotia.

So maybe an exchange for some California wine?   <g>
Adelle D. Stavis, Esq. - 02 Dec 2004 18:50 GMT
> Adelle wrote:
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>  So maybe an exchange for some California wine?   <g>

Couldn't possibly travel up through Chelmsford along Route 1. We aren't
along the coast; We are inland. It's Northwest of Boston- bordered by
Billerica, Lowell (think Jack Kerouac), Westford, Carlisle, maybe Tewksbury
and Tyngsboro, too.

:-(   Can't send wine through the mail. (sniff).
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firechief - 02 Dec 2004 23:03 GMT
Adelle wrote:

> Couldn't possibly travel up through Chelmsford along Route 1.

I looked at the digit cross-eyed.  It's highway 3.   <g>

> :-(   Can't send wine through the mail. (sniff).

I receive it through the mail all the time.

I know that because of wording of Amendment XXI,
states are pretty free to adopt any/all regulations
about alcohol (California bans alcohol in strip joints
and the men in black robes ruled that is California's
prerogative), but I bet a gift would be acceptable.
Janet R - 04 Dec 2004 15:38 GMT
In Texas, you can only have a distributor mail wine to another
distributor.  So a private person would have to have it delivered to a
liquor store.

One of my old bosses went to France and I tried in vain to find a way
to have wine delivered to the office...it was a no go.  Because Texas
wouldn't accept and France has stiff rules on mailing it.

Now how is anyone supposed to become a wino on anything but
Boonesfarm???

hehehe
Janet R

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Nann Bell - 03 Dec 2004 04:48 GMT
, Lowell (think Jack Kerouac)

no, I think Lowell Folk Festival.  Had great fun there the 2 summers we were
in MA.

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Caroline Marold - 03 Dec 2004 23:13 GMT
Well, I am heading to Portland in June...
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There's nothing sadistic about reposting her own words.
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Nann Bell - 02 Dec 2004 16:18 GMT
>  Vernor's Ginger Ale, my one-time favorite, is no longer.

just not in your area.  We have it all over the place here.  Vernoors diet
ginger soda is a fav in this house.  I've got bottles waiting for return, a
bottle in the frig and more bottles waiting down in the basement......

Next time I drive to California I'll bring you a few cases.  :)

(might be faster to ask a local store if they can get it.  It's part of the
7-Up company now.)

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Nann Bell - 01 Dec 2004 05:57 GMT
(((((((((Harv))))))))))  I guess it's best to take no chances witht he TB,
especially with the meds you're on.  I wonder if you've had the RA lung there
for some time, since the days before your RA was as controlled as now.  Is
that possible?  That would be good news and could mean that things won't
progress.  I'm crossing my fingers for that.  Keep us posted, ya hear?

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Harvey R. Stone - 01 Dec 2004 23:25 GMT
> (((((((((Harv))))))))))  I guess it's best to take no chances witht he TB,
> especially with the meds you're on.  I wonder if you've had the RA lung
> there
> for some time, since the days before your RA was as controlled as now.  Is
> that possible?  That would be good news and could mean that things won't
> progress.  I'm crossing my fingers for that.  Keep us posted, ya hear?

I have none of the nodule scaring of TB in my lungs  like RA it can get in
other places too and my reaction to the test was too big to ignore.  That is
why my RD sent me to this Pulmo guy.
   I could of been exposed when I was a teenager-14 and setting pins in the
bowling alley with hobos and the like..  My oh my,,, I was in a half dozen
fights and watched 3 times that many.   You would not believe it but they
would fight and each man would be keeping two lanes going and they would not
even know it up front.   Fists only,,, no pins, no knives and no throwing
those 16 lb bowling balls.  If you did, you might win your fight but 3-4
would hold you while they beat the whooooly crap out of you.
    I never will forget the night after they put in the automatic
machines,,,,one guy back there and myself and two other guys took care of
the whole week.   I would do my home work and do what needed to be done to
keep things going.   Welll, it was a hot night and the air came from up
front.   Sometimes I would open the back door to the tracks(6 of them) and
get some air and catch a cig.   This night when I opened that door,,, there
was a man standing there not moving about 6'4  220.  His eyes were cold
black and skin was like the leather on a saddle that had been in the rain
too much and a two week beard.   I got that door closed and locked just as
he hit the door.  Not a half second to spare and I leaned on the door as he
hit it again with a body that had not seen fat in a long, long time.   I do
not know how many dreams I have had that had the sound of wood breaking.  To
my good fortune, up walks Mr. Carnes who owned the place and I do not know
where that gun came from but it was in my working area back there.  He put a
bullet through the door down in the lower corner and the devils helper went
away.    He turned to me and asked,,, you been having this door open???
Meee,,, no sir,,, I guess he was going to steal something.   It had a lock
from then on.  :-)
Harv
Cooly - 02 Dec 2004 05:21 GMT
Thanks for that story Harv.
Cooly

> I have none of the nodule scaring of TB in my lungs  like RA it can get in
> other places too and my reaction to the test was too big to ignore.  That
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Harvey R. Stone - 02 Dec 2004 09:27 GMT
> Thanks for that story Harv.
> Cooly

I just realized that I have told it before.  I guess because it scared me
soo bad and stayed with me, I guess.    You people need to fuss at me if I
get up to 3 times with the same story because they come from my life and
were lived.
Harv
Nann Bell - 02 Dec 2004 16:22 GMT
>> Thanks for that story Harv.
>> Cooly
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> were lived.
> Harv

it's not a problem Harv!  I think all of us have done that at least once,
probably more.  And as we always have new folks, there's always someone who
hasn't heard it.  And so many of us have foggy brains, anyway, and forget
things  :)  That story is part of who you are and we like reading it for that
reason, if nothing else.

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Caroline Marold - 03 Dec 2004 23:11 GMT
Hey Harv -- with the brain I am carrying around with me
these days, you could tell the same story once a month
and I might remember or I might not. A good story is
worth repeating and then there are all those newbies....
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>>Thanks for that story Harv.
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 {{{{{{Harv}}}}}}

 Living with this darn disease can make anyone crabby, but I have not
noticed that you were crabby.  You have always been supportive of anyone
needing it.  Just wanted you to know I am thinking of you and hoping this
too will pass.

 Bonnie

 >    Well, I got a chance to see my CT scan and what RA lung looks like...
I
 > did not like it a bit but,,,, that makes no difference.   I could see
the
 > scaring in both lungs....  I go in the morning to have a real breath
test to
 > form a base line for the future.   The little one I took today in the
 > doctors office showed that I was normal.
 >     He got very serious about the positive TB test.  Tomorrow I start on
 > ISONIAZID for 8 months which can be very hard on a persons liver.
Sooo,
 > its back to once a month on blood tests and I have to watch my type 2
blood
 > testing very closely and Noooo alcohol,, at all.
 >     Doesn't that just make a person shake their head????  Not doing
 > anything about the RA lung but a big deal about the TB which can not be
seen
 > on CT scan.   So it goes and that starts tomorrow.....  Today's for
now,,,,,
 > its a little bourbon an distilled water going down smooth.
 > I just bought some too..  Aaah well,, it gets better with age,,, 8
months of
 > age and this hi-powered antibiotic.   So it goes.   Sorry if I have been
 > kind of crabby lately.   Getting this done had me going for a few days.
 > Boy, I did not like all those white lines,,,scars and it really is a
good
 > thing I stopped smoking 25 or so years ago.
 > Harv
 >
 > Ps  How about you?
 >
 >
Harvey R. Stone - 01 Dec 2004 23:27 GMT
Just wanted you to know I am thinking of you and hoping this
> too will pass.
>
>  Bonnie

Thank you very much...  Yes, it will be 8 months of one pill a day and my oh
my, I hope that is all.
Harv
Kelly Cobb - 01 Dec 2004 15:30 GMT
I'm really glad you stopped smoking 25 years ago...it could be so much
worse. You can do this just like you've done all the other treatments over
the years, I have no doubt.

Hang in there, Harv.

Kelly C.

>     Well, I got a chance to see my CT scan and what RA lung looks like... I
> did not like it a bit but,,,, that makes no difference.   I could see the
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> Ps  How about you?
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Caroline Marold - 01 Dec 2004 16:14 GMT
Wow Harv. That is scary. Get yourself some Milk Thistle
 if you are not already using it. Want that liver to
still be able to enjoy the bourbon when you reach the
other side of the 8 months.
Hope the new med doesn't mess with your diabetes too much.
Duckie

>     Well, I got a chance to see my CT scan and what RA lung looks like... I
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Harvey R. Stone - 01 Dec 2004 23:33 GMT
> Wow Harv. That is scary. Get yourself some Milk Thistle if you are not
> already using it. Want that liver to still be able to enjoy the bourbon
> when you reach the other side of the 8 months.
> Hope the new med doesn't mess with your diabetes too much.
> Duckie

I have been thinking about getting some,,, I have taken it before and yes,
it does mess with diabetes,,,,I can not skip any days of no testing and I
can not let that get out of hand,,, talken nerve damage and what not from
that.   I heard a plane flying low heading for Hobby airport and
thought,,,,, maybe thats the one that is going to squash me flat.  LOL
Harv
Ifish2b - 05 Dec 2004 22:41 GMT
{{{{{Harv}}}}}  Hang in there.

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them back to you when you have forgotten the words."  (unattributed)
Alex Barna - 01 Dec 2004 20:07 GMT
Hi Harv,

>  Sorry if I have been
> kind of crabby lately.   Getting this done had me going for a few days.
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> Ps  How about you?

Those white lines & scars could be from before you stopped smoking cigarettes &
may not mean anything. They could also be from industrial dust you inhaled over
the decades. At our age what difference does it make?

I stopped drinking 28 years ago & my favorite brewery went broke so you can stop
for a few months. <G>

Like Ducky said take some milk thistle & relax. Plain yogurt with active enzymes
will help keep your gut functioning with all the anti B's.

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> GramPaHugs,
> Alex,

Ya know Alex,  I worked in two breweries and I have seen guys that drank
what is called Wert and that is probably mis-spelled,,, right out of the
vats before the final filtering.   I never did but those guys could not get
10 feet away from a toilet buttt they say,,,, the taste, the taste.
Myself,  I like to sneak behind the keg line when it was running and get a
big cup of beer from the test squiggle the lab uses to test the beer.  34
degrees and the best beer there is.
   Really, I do not drink much beer and now none at all for awhile but I
drink low carb Mich. which is a quality beer with not much alcohol.  By the
way all lite beer is 3.2% or less and regular beer is about 5.0....
Harv
Squirrely - 01 Dec 2004 20:08 GMT
Harv,

I am glad you are going to get treatment. I hope it helps you out alot. I
feel for you and my heart goes out to you. I know this has been heck what
you have been going thru. I hope things start going better for you and your
wife. I hope you both get a great outcome of all you are going thru.

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Love and hugs to all
Good thoughts coming your way too.

Squirrely Jo

>     Well, I got a chance to see my CT scan and what RA lung looks like... I
> did not like it a bit but,,,, that makes no difference.   I could see the
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> Ps  How about you?
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> Harv,
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> Squirrely Jo

Thank you JO,,,,,  I got my priorities set right today when I help my new
grandson and he knew who I was and wanted to play.  When you get down on a
babies level all the rest does not mean much.
Harv
Squirrely - 02 Dec 2004 20:00 GMT
Your welcome Harv,

Yes children teach us alot don't they. They slow us down too. ;-)

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Good thoughts coming your way too.

Squirrely Jo

> Thank you JO,,,,,  I got my priorities set right today when I help my new
> grandson and he knew who I was and wanted to play.  When you get down on a
> babies level all the rest does not mean much.
> Harv
Harvey R. Stone - 02 Dec 2004 21:42 GMT
> Your welcome Harv,
>
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>
> Squirrely Jo

and that can be a good thing.  Look at the thread about the pressure of
Christmas.
Harv
cynthia - 05 Dec 2004 21:41 GMT
 Tomorrow I start on
> ISONIAZID for 8 months which can be very hard on a persons liver.   Sooo,
> its back to once a month on blood tests and I have to watch my type 2 blood
> testing very closely and Noooo alcohol,, at all.

Harv, I remember that  vitamin B6 was part of the protocol for
isoniazid treatment back a few years ago to counteract the liver
effects.  You might check that one out with your doctor  +/- the Type
2.

Regards,
Cynthia
Harvey R. Stone - 05 Dec 2004 22:16 GMT
> Harv, I remember that  vitamin B6 was part of the protocol for
> isoniazid treatment back a few years ago to counteract the liver
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> Regards,
> Cynthia

Thank you Cynthia.   I have thrown my B6 away because it was too old and I
intend to get some the next time I go to the store.   I hope Becky saw this
too.
Harv
 
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