Rosie Shiver's obsessive compulsion has once again drawn her to
alt.support.chronic-pain, when she is busy telling some horrible lies
in a misguided effort to hurt people who haven't done a thing to her
other than disagree with her trolling behavior.
As usual she claims to be doing this as some kind of public service,
to stop someone she falsely accuses of being a drug scammer, but her
own statements reveal her true motivations:
"Rosemarie Shiver" <post147@strato.net> wrote in message
news:2ju6nqF15p321U1@uni-berlin.de
> I can talk about crime and criminals again if you
> really do want 'same old same old'.
> Are you gonna leave me be or whut?
Experience has shown that the only way to persuade Rosie to quit
harassing people in asc-p is to repost her comments in the other
groups she frequents. I've done it before and I'll be doing that again
until you prevail upon her to stop trolling and victimizing the people
in asc-p.
Here is your daily dose of Rosie:
"Rosemarie Shiver" <post147@strato.net> wrote in message
news:311eosF34ffheU1@uni-berlin.de
> She's an expert. xxx was convicted of having a bottle of pills
> not her own in her purse when arrested....convicted of lying to the
> police about them thar pills, too. Plus she's insisted it's 'being a
> friend' to buy Ultram from a chronic painer here. Doing that is fraud
> and drug diversion on xxxx part, but heck that's a technicality,
> right? Wouldn't xxx probation officer be so proud? xxx proud
> of her, sure 'nuff.
>
> xxx an object lesson: This is yer brain. xxxx brain is
> what happens when you take Other People's Drugs. Don't let it happen
> to your loved ones!
>
> I'm hoping that just my posting here will make xxx eyes
> explode. Of course, it's only in response to his wanting me to become
> paralyzed. I envy xxxx wife, tho'. She's just gotta open the
> computer room door and throw in raw meat three times a day. It's
> ASC-P that gets all his spittle and feces.
>
> xxx popped right outta my killfile when he switched to using
> gmail. It's also gmail that was used on the most recent round of
> posting his and xxx home addresses.And the rant against me
> elsewhere. I make xxx all hate-filled by my little lonesome, right?
> ROFL I'm not the original poster of xxx address, BTW, but I used
> it to get her complete drug conviction record.
>
> What kind of idiot starts flames going again by posting his OWN
> home address? What kind of idiot gives xxx a gmail invite anyways?
> LOLOL
>
> I wonder if xxx will call this post 'lucid'? A lucid post is
> praiseworthy? That explains defining xxx posts as hatefilled.
> Thus it is when yer taking Other People's Drugs. LOL
>
> Hugs from Rosie :-)
"Rosemarie Shiver" <post147@strato.net> wrote in message
news:3120r7F36jvacU1@uni-berlin.de
> For a chronic pain NG without the nasties here who scam ppl. for
> their pain drugs try alt.support.chronic.pain.
"Rosemarie Shiver" <post147@strato.net> wrote in message
news:313im1F37fafgU1@uni-berlin.de
> And if lie piled up upon lie? And if yer drugstore cowgirl
> criticized the character of new people and bullied them? The
> character of one such is indeed at issue.
>
> Bringing it up for over a year is no big deal compared to 4 years
> of lying and 5 years of continuing felonious activity. As xxx sez,
> people do have a right to understand what kind of person they're
> dealing with here, esp. if that person is the self appointed greeter
> of every newbie who shows up here.
>
> It's not being a busybody to make sure this kind of on-line drug
> bizness is shut down. You wouldn't want any of your forum
> participants to feed their pill habit at the expense of those
> legitmate folks only legally seeking pain relief, would ya, xx?
>
> Did you do your homework and look up the info about this before you
> started defending xxx? Now wouldn't be too late. Be a
> busybody yerself and find out about xxx and 1998, 1999 and
> 2001..exp. "the record being expunged" and "doing a favor by buying
> Ultram". Would you recommend lying for years by your former addicts?
> Are your gymnastics in defense of a few going to go THAT far? I doubt
> it.
>
> The difference between someone who makes one big mistake and gets
> sucked into temporary addiction like xxx and a true junkie who
> lies ands lies and does not give up their manipulative, criminal ways
> is important and you oughta know better, xxx. And EVERYONE needs to
> know the history here.
>
> Hey, xxx....how about putting yer urine in a tampon so
> xxx can have a clean drug test for the Probation Officer. Would ya
> do that for a lyin' drug scammer? xxxx was asking if it
> would work at alt.drugs.hard.You wouldn't need to give 'help' like
> that for a reformed addict like xxx, wouldja? No...because xxx
> tells it true and is reformed for real....has given up all
> criminality. xxx gives people like xxx ( and legit pain relief
> seekers also) a bad name. K?
>
> Look it up, xxx, just like you recommended to xxx, before ya
> opine, ok?
>
> What makes some so furious with me is I'm telling the full truth
> and I'm law abiding and have a long history of helping (arthritis and
> FM) so the scales are unbalanced. Ain't me with my thumb on the
> scales....it's the non-reformed criminal who has her thumb keeping it
> tipped. Makes me an "informer and squealer". Ya think scamming
> someone for their Ultram is a GOOD thing? I don't believe you do.
>
> Hugs from Rosie
"Rosemarie Shiver" <post147@strato.net> wrote in message
news:313vp1F30dmmgU1@individual.net
> xxxx herself sez she now knows she was scammed by you. You
> continue to victimize her as you always have. You aren't her friend
> in the slightest. You aren't a victim but a victimizer. It's a
> character flaw of junkies....they all are liars and manipulators and
> con artists. Addicts can avoid being so but junkies all are.
>
> Do try to sue me. It ain't libel if it's the truth. It just means
> you'll have to give up the money you spend on Other People's Drugs.
> Just which way do you think xxx will go? Will she lie for you and
> your ilk? Fat Chance!!! LOLOL
>
> Please do take me to court. My lawyer is Bruno Zayas in Lakeland,
> FL. Of course this is my real name and unmunged addy. Gee...I tend to
> be just as honest as xxx...and you aren't, fertrue. I'll be
> eagerly awaiting news of a filed lawsuit. Unless this is just another
> in a long string of xxx lies.
>
> ROFL!!!!
>
> Just TOO Funny!! from Rosie
"Rosemarie Shiver" <post147@strato.net> wrote in message
news:3142jhF35tgkuU1@individual.net
> Wah Wah,
>
> Take two Ex-Lax and don't call her in the morning. Gonna sue her
> for libel, too? ROFL
"Rosemarie Shiver" <post147@strato.net> wrote in message
news:314372F3688c9U1@individual.net
> Weren't you here to get info about Pain docs? So why ya flamin' then?
> Sheesh. Give ya what ya need and ya flame.
>
> Got another agenda, do ya? You condone the vile spewings of xxx, do
> ya?
>
> Yer an Ingrate Hugs from Rosie
"Rosemarie Shiver" <post147@strato.net> wrote in message
news:314afeF35vnnlU1@individual.net
> Howcome my attorney hasn't heard from yours yet, xxx? It
> doesn't take much time to fax over a filing. You got all kinds of $$
> and time. Yer here every day without fail...why can't you get it done?
>
> Try again tomorrow. His secretary is a very good one. Ain't the
> first time I've been threatened with a libel suit by a scammer.
> Nothing happened with that, either. Wassamatter, xxx? I'm bad fer
> bizness? Hurting the profit margins? Ya really think yer buying
> Ultram from xxx won't come into court? LOLOL Had a 'script from
> HER MD, didja? ROFL!!! The court doesn't provide protections for
> illicit bizness. Taking drugs Rx'd for someone else has really
> damaged yer brain if ya think the court will support a twice
> convicted drug felon who buys Ultram here...reformed? Not. LOLOL Take
> note all: she bought Ultram years after her probation was done. It
> isn't long ago and she paid for her crimes...she kept being criminal.
> The exact opposite of xxx is what some of you are, in your
> ignorance, supporting.
>
> BTW this is rather recent, this buying Ultram from a chronic
> painer....it's not old news like xxx only one conviction is.
> xxx came here for the purpose of finding MD's that were easy to
> get 'scripts from. xxx didn't. xxx woulda never sold the pills
> if she knew xxx was a twice convicted drug felon. And reminding
> people that xxx IS makes me bad for the pill scammin' bizness.
> xxx IS full o' crap about the reason...xxx threatening me with
> legal action to shut me up. It's obvious I take it as just another
> lie.
>
> Wow...I'm so impressed by having my honesty called into question
> by those who are well known liars and hide themselves behind no
> archive and nyms. xxx felony convictions are public record. And
> my atty. can get cozy with xxx Probation Officer. Those
> alt.drug.hard posts and the posts here where Codeee's admitting to
> buying Ultram pills will be most handy. :-)
>
> Laffing at xxx and xxx from Rosie
The Conscience of ASCP - 01 Dec 2004 00:57 GMT
>Rosie Shiver's obsessive compulsion has once again drawn her to
>alt.support.chronic-pain, when she is busy telling some horrible lies
>in a misguided effort to hurt people who haven't done a thing to her
>other than disagree with her trolling behavior.
hi jubaby - didnt take ya long to pull out yer sock and start stalkin on all
her groups
pay no minds folks - master juba just gets carried away when hes been made a
fool of AGAIN
i could be wrong - if it aint jubaby, then is marilu rudez tryin to get
revenge fer bein outed fer the fool SHE is
dont rilly matter - cant tell hers, jubabys, or jites posts apart anyway
Mike Turco - 01 Dec 2004 01:19 GMT
>>Rosie Shiver's obsessive compulsion has once again drawn her to
>>alt.support.chronic-pain, when she is busy telling some horrible lies
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>
> dont rilly matter - cant tell hers, jubabys, or jites posts apart anyway
Tanks for the clarificaton. As a troll, this one's easy to spot. Herin' the
name means a lot, though. Ya' never know when you're gonna meet one of these
trolls in real life and make a big mistake (like given' em' a job). -- Mike
Beatles Fan - 01 Dec 2004 05:47 GMT
> hi jubaby - didnt take ya long to pull out yer sock and start stalkin
> on all her groups
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> dont rilly matter - cant tell hers, jubabys, or jites posts apart
> anyway
You accusin someone else of using a sock?
fuckin hypocrite
Nanny - 01 Dec 2004 04:03 GMT
WHO CARES?! This isn't alt.support.chronic pain. This is very old and
boring! Nanny
> Rosie Shiver's obsessive compulsion has once again drawn her to
> alt.support.chronic-pain, when she is busy telling some horrible lies
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>>
>> Laffing at xxx and xxx from Rosie
sportsfan - 01 Dec 2004 04:53 GMT
What has this got to do with this group, when Rosie
writes here she is neither a troll, or disagreeable, perhaps
the confrontation may be as a result of other people within
your group. Whatever the reason I see no point in cross
posting posts from other groups, it would seem this is just
a malicious attempt to cause trouble.
I would suggest you keep your problems within the group
that they arose.
Possibly failing to identify yourself detracts to any semblance
of honesty that you may have had.
Richard.
snip a complete load of garbage.
sportsfan - 01 Dec 2004 05:14 GMT
>What has this got to do with this group, when Rosie
>writes here she is neither a troll, or disagreeable, perhaps
>the confrontation may be as a result of other people within
>your group. Whatever the reason I see no point in cross
>posting posts from other groups,
The answer is simple. It works.
Tell Rosie to stop trolling asc-p and I'll stop reposting her sh.t.
spodosaurus - 01 Dec 2004 05:23 GMT
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> alt.support.chronic-pain,
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firechief is a pussy - 01 Dec 2004 06:16 GMT
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Nanny - 02 Dec 2004 13:09 GMT
Chief, maybe he/she will die laughing ;-) Nanny
>> Complaints can be directed to:
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firechief - 02 Dec 2004 18:14 GMT
> Chief, maybe he/she will die laughing ;-) Nanny
Now there IS a wishful thought. <g>
Rosemarie Shiver - 01 Dec 2004 18:00 GMT
Complain to Chris Caputo@altopia.net about carrying Master Juba and his
trolling.
Thanx!
Hugs from Rosie

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Master Juba - 01 Dec 2004 20:23 GMT
> Complain to Chris Caputo@altopia.net about carrying Master Juba and
> his trolling.
LOL
A troll who gets revenge by posting arrest records encouraging others to
netkop someone. The irony is delicious!

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ZombyWoof - 02 Dec 2004 06:03 GMT
>Complain to Chris Caputo@altopia.net about carrying Master Juba and his
>trolling.
>
>Thanx!
>
>Hugs from Rosie
Chris Caputo could absolutely care less about what any of his clients
do as long as their accounts are current. Altopia is the home of some
of the most prolific & long-term abusers on the net. Chris's
business model is to attract and retain clients that would have
accounts terminated by any self respecting ISP. Altopia has been
threatened to have it's feeds & peering cut-off more times then all
other ISPs combined. It is a haven for all sorts of Usenet deviants
of all types.
Loose Cannon - 01 Dec 2004 19:34 GMT
(snipped for brevity only)
> Complaints can be directed to:
>
> Domain Name: ALT.NET
> Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
Just thought Id let everyone know that complaining to Alt.net about
ANYONE for ANYTHING (except forgery or something overtly illegal) is a
complete waste of time, and even if you have a legit complaint about
illegal acts by an alt.net poster, they tell you to contact law
enforcement and have law enforcement contact them.
Its more than ironic that Jubaby (aka Master Juba) chose a Usenet
provider which actively promotes the concept of free speech, yet his
purpose for acquiring the alt.net account and coming into
alt.support.chronic-pain was to run someone out of there and silence
their voice--a practice he continues to this day.
Jubaby believes in free speech--as long as you say what he wants you to
say. Otherwise, he will do all he can to silence you.
firechief - 02 Dec 2004 02:50 GMT
> Just thought Id let everyone know that complaining to Alt.net about
> ANYONE for ANYTHING (except forgery or something overtly illegal)
> is a complete waste of time, and even if you have a legit complaint
> about illegal acts by an alt.net poster, they tell you to contact law
> enforcement and have law enforcement contact them.
That is why every ISP in the PATH statement is included
in the Cc: line.
If enough of them also receive complaints, alt.net will
lose its links to the web.
Beatles Fan - 02 Dec 2004 03:06 GMT
"firechief" <firechief@jjfpd.gov> wrote in news:Mrvrd.165165$bk1.114580
@fed1read05:
>> Just thought Id let everyone know that complaining to Alt.net about
>> ANYONE for ANYTHING (except forgery or something overtly illegal)
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> If enough of them also receive complaints, alt.net will
> lose its links to the web.
Keep dreamin ya dumbass
ZombyWoof - 02 Dec 2004 06:17 GMT
>> Just thought Id let everyone know that complaining to Alt.net about
>> ANYONE for ANYTHING (except forgery or something overtly illegal)
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> If enough of them also receive complaints, alt.net will
> lose its links to the web.
Not true. Altopia has had numerous threats to have both it's feeds
and peering agreements pulled. Altopia has probably faced more UDP's
then any other single ISP, both active & passive. The following is
from their FAQ site.
Q: What if a Usenet Death Penalty issued against Altopia is active
instead of passive?
A: We believe that active-UDPs cause more and more sites to cease
honoring cancels, and thus backfire. We are prepared to withstand an
active-UDP.