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Di - 23 Oct 2004 20:48 GMT
I was feeling so good.  My foot and ankle were better, and my tooth from
the root canal is no longer hurting.  I have a lousy shoulder problem,
but that's another story.

Anyway, after finally mostly healing (after three months it was still
tender and discolored), my ankle felt pretty good.  Life was good.  At
least, until I twisted it again two days ago.  I was lying in bed last
night just feeling it throbbing.  I'm so sick of this ankle.

Last time I saw my podiatrist, we talked about stabilization surgery.  I
told her that just after I sprained it, I was so ready to go under the
knife.  I am so sick of spraining this ankle.  But, I also told her that
now that it's healed, I don't want to do any surgery.  She agreed.  The
surgery to fix my ankle is major, and seems so extreme.

We talked a bit about stabilizing it, as an alternative.  She mentioned
that I should probably tape it, and I should pay more attention to where
I'm placing my foot when I walk.  That's ridiculous.

I am wearing my aircast right now, and I hate it.  I've been looking at
ankle braces on the internet, but it's impossible to determine which one
would be better and more comfortable than the next.  So, I appeal to you
guys for some input.  Anyone have experience with ankle braces?  The one
that caught my eye is located here:
http://www.painreliever.com/malleoloc.html  I like that it can be heat
molded to customize it.  And, it seems somewhat low profile while being
a hard stabilizer.  Any thoughts?  I hate my ankle.
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RoseB - 23 Oct 2004 21:04 GMT
I don't kow what the difference is between a brace and an ankle
support. I have worn two types of braces both done up by velcro
similar to the one shown here:

http://www.painreliever.com/images/cor391.jpg

I still find these difficult to put on, however so tend not to wear
them. My OT suggested that something tht you can lace up may be
better, but then again there is still teh problem of getting them on.

Good luck
Rose
Jo Firey - 23 Oct 2004 21:13 GMT
>I don't kow what the difference is between a brace and an ankle
> support. I have worn two types of braces both done up by velcro
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> Good luck
> Rose

I like the looks of both supports, but might be inclined to try the simpler
one first.

I really sympathize with the rotten ankle.  Still remember the year back in
the ancient days when I was young and healthy, that I sprained my right
ankle at least 5 times.  After the first two time it really took nothing for
it to go again.  I wore a thing that looked similar to Roses support but
that was just pull on .  Like an elastic sock with no toe, that provided
enough support and also kept the swelling down.  Of course back in those
days my hands were up to putting it on.

Jo
Di - 23 Oct 2004 22:51 GMT
RoseB posted...
> I don't kow what the difference is between a brace and an ankle
> support. I have worn two types of braces both done up by velcro
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Good luck
> Rose

Rose, I bought one like that.  It's just not stabilizing my ankle very
well.  And, it's a pain to put on, again for very little gain.  I think
I need a more substantial brace.  I'm so frustrated..............
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Jan Brown - 23 Oct 2004 21:21 GMT
>I was feeling so good.  My foot and ankle were better, and my tooth
>from
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> least, until I twisted it again two days ago.  I was lying in bed last
> night just feeling it throbbing.  I'm so sick of this ankle.

Di, I just wanted to pass on my commiserations, as I'm having a similar
problem with my hip (see earlier posting). I do hope everything gets
better for you. It sounds like you need a lot of TLC and a big hug as
well.
Janet
Di - 23 Oct 2004 22:54 GMT
Jan Brown posted...

> Di, I just wanted to pass on my commiserations, as I'm having a similar
> problem with my hip (see earlier posting). I do hope everything gets
> better for you. It sounds like you need a lot of TLC and a big hug as
> well.
> Janet

Thanks, Janet.  TLC, a big hug, and a huge marguarita.  <g>  I hope you
can sort out your hip problems.  Hugs back at ya.
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Caroline Marold - 23 Oct 2004 22:02 GMT
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Duckie

> I was feeling so good.  My foot and ankle were better, and my tooth from
> the root canal is no longer hurting.  I have a lousy shoulder problem,
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> molded to customize it.  And, it seems somewhat low profile while being
> a hard stabilizer.  Any thoughts?  I hate my ankle.

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AudieB68 - 23 Oct 2004 22:02 GMT
Sorry to hear abt your ankle.  I had both of mine fused. the md took bone from
my hips to fuse them.  Can't bend my feet right or left or up and down. Can't
find any shoes because of that and my crooked toes.  Hope the pain goes away
soon.   audie  
PS I wear slippers all the time.
Di - 23 Oct 2004 22:58 GMT
AudieB68 posted...
> Sorry to hear abt your ankle.  I had both of mine fused. the md took bone from
> my hips to fuse them.  Can't bend my feet right or left or up and down. Can't
> find any shoes because of that and my crooked toes.  Hope the pain goes away
> soon.   audie  
> PS I wear slippers all the time.

Thanks, audie.  Having fused ankles has got to be tough.  For shoes, I
bought some hiking type sneakers on sale for $14.95 from Lands End, and
I love them.  Such a deal.........  But, if I could get away with
wearing slippers at work, I'd probably do it.  <g>  
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spodosaurus - 24 Oct 2004 07:04 GMT
> AudieB68 posted...
>
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> I love them.  Such a deal.........  But, if I could get away with
> wearing slippers at work, I'd probably do it.  <g>  

Be careful of cushioned shoes, especially sneakers! The foam type rubber
that makes them feel good on the feet destabilises the ankle during the
three dimensional movements that take place during each step. The rules
I've found in terms of footwear for my ankle (talar osteonecrosis,
damaged ligaments, damaged tendons and damaged tendon attachments as in
ripping off the bone):

1. No sponge or cushioning. This makes it hard to stabilise the ankle
during walking. That said, hard carbon rubber violates rule 2:
2. Easilly flexed forefoot sole. If you have trouble flexing the shoe
beneath where the ball of your foot will be using your hands, then over
hundreds and thousands of steps your ankle is going to get very upset!
3. Careful of the heel. Too high or too low and things get thrown off.
4. No more than 2 pairs of shoes. It's hard enough to learn to walk
again and concentrate on walking properly, a task that is unnatural to
humans as it's all taken care of automatically (look at how Christopher
Reeve demonstrated what was known for a while: the spinal cord takes
care of walking even when disconnected from the brain) without having to
keep switching the learned movements between different shoes from day to
day or hour to hour.

Cheers,

Ari

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Di - 25 Oct 2004 03:23 GMT
spodosaurus posted...

> Be careful of cushioned shoes, especially sneakers! The foam type rubber
> that makes them feel good on the feet destabilises the ankle during the
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>
> Ari

Thaks for the warning, Ari.  The shoes I got from Lands End are perfect
for me.  They are very stable hiking shoes, and I feel like my ankle
won't roll as much as it did in the other shoes I have.  I have so many
pairs of shoes now, and I hardly ever wear most of them.  
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Kitty Kelly - 24 Oct 2004 00:43 GMT
Hey Di -

I hate braces of any kind.  I don't walk, but wrapping my ankles when I
have to get into my wheelchair & start making transfers, makes a huge
difference in pain levels.

It would be better if I could tape them, but my skin won't tolerate any
kind anymore.  I would try that before trying braces.

-g-

Kitty
d'huit - 24 Oct 2004 08:14 GMT
> Hey Di -
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Kitty

i hear that.  kitty, have you tried non-adhesive coban or coban-like tape,
instead of adhesive tapes for your ankle?

if not,  i'm modifying my old ice skating trick that supports my ankle from
time to time now, which might or might not take an extra pair of hands for
you.  you'll need to cut your pre-measured lengths of coban first.   try one
strip of coban, from high on one side of your calf, under your foot, and
then back up the other side of your calf.  next you wrap the next coban
strip around your calf (where it can't slide down your leg) and over the
first strip.  might need a  strip or two more at other junctures, to secure
the first one that is the main support for your ankle.  might take a few
tries, a bit of practice, to get it to feel right for you, depending upon
how your foot needs to be positioned.  hope that helps and i don't know if
it will or not, but it might be worth a try.
kate
Patty - 24 Oct 2004 15:05 GMT
> have you tried non-adhesive coban

  I love that coban! Discovered it several years ago when Allison had a
fractured calceneus (sp?). Loved it so much that my podiatrist orders it for me
by the case when we run out. That's what I use when my ankles or wrists need
added support. I can wrap it as tight or loose as I need and it stays in place
til I'm ready to take it off. Plus, I don't have to spend an hour trying to
find the clips for my ace bandages <bg>.
----
Hoping your hills are never too steep.
Be well, Patty
Kelly Cobb - 24 Oct 2004 15:34 GMT
> > have you tried non-adhesive coban
>
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> Hoping your hills are never too steep.
> Be well, Patty

Awesome stuff...got hooked on it when Rach was in the hospital and the
regular adhesive stuff started to irritate her skin, which is not easily
irritated. After a week of tape on the insides of her elbows, they'd had
enough.

I'd recommend Coban-type wraps for anyone.

Kelly C.;o)
Di - 25 Oct 2004 03:29 GMT
Kelly Cobb posted...

> ....................
>
> I'd recommend Coban-type wraps for anyone.
>
> Kelly C.;o)

I actually wrapped my ankle in coban-type tape today before I took my
dog for a walk.  We were in the heavily wooded park, and wouldn't ya
know it..... I turned my ankle AGAIN on a tree root.  The tape really
saved me, I'm sure.  But, like the other day, it's adding injury to
injury.  My ankle just aches and throbs right now.  It's so unstable.

I have an appt with my RD next monday.  I'm hoping to get the ER xray
report from when I sprained it in July.  Even though the ER doc said
that my ankle is really rough with spurs, and that it's not broken, the
report will likely only mention that no fracture was seen.  I think my
RD will do another xray, probably order an MRI.  I'm going to suggest
it.  I need to know what's going on with this.  If stabilization surgery
is indicated, then let's just get it done.  I can't believe I just wrote
that.  I DON'T WANT SURGERY.  Waaaaaaaaaaaaa...........
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Nann Bell - 25 Oct 2004 05:35 GMT
> I actually wrapped my ankle in coban-type tape today before I took my
> dog for a walk.  We were in the heavily wooded park, and wouldn't ya
> know it..... I turned my ankle AGAIN on a tree root.  The tape really
> saved me, I'm sure.

With one of my ankle sprains, I got an intern who was into sports medicine.  
He wrapped me up thoroughly in a tape boot.  It was lovely and wonderful and
far better than any other longer term treatment for a sprain I've ever had.  
If you desperate enough, you might try it.  It starts like kate was
describing, but you alternate stirrups of tape horizontally and vertically.  
It really stabilizes things, but you can't do it quickly or take it on and
off.  You'd have to wear it for several days at a time, but that might be
good right now to let your ankle heal fromthe latest twist.

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Kitty Kelly - 26 Oct 2004 08:44 GMT

kate wrote -

~~~~~i hear that. kitty, have you tried non-adhesive coban or coban-like
tape, instead of adhesive tapes for your ankle?~~~~~

Is that the brown stuff that sticks to itself and not your skin?  I've
tried that but my body heat makes it stretch.  I'm just using tight ace
bandages.

I look like an accident victim when I go out.  Both feet and ankles
wrapped, my right arm in a sling, long splints on both wrists and hands
and sitting in a wheelchair.  People look at me so sadly, I'm thinking
about wearing my sunglasses and carrying a tin cup LOL!!!  I could
donate it to the AF.

-bg-

Kitty
d'huit - 28 Oct 2004 09:45 GMT
> kate wrote -
>
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> Is that the brown stuff that sticks to itself and not your skin?  I've
> tried that but my body heat makes it stretch.

****well poop!  oh well, i gave it a shot at hoping it might help you.

I'm just using tight ace
> bandages.
>
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> about wearing my sunglasses and carrying a tin cup LOL!!!  I could
> donate it to the AF.

hey, it is certainly the perfect time of year for that particular look to be
appreciated, better'n the passe and moldering, egyptian linen (head-to-toe)
wraps!  y'think?<g>

more'n likely, though, you will start the next teeny-bopper fad, like
underwear that was worn as overwear.  the sunglasses and tin cup accessories
will sell the ensemble.  heck, kitty, if you can sing or even croak a few
notes and lip synch, it's pure gold for the AF, kid.  it's even got fashion
statement marketability written all over it!  you just need the right song.
maybe you should ask asa for suggestions. ???

kate
(hurrying to look up which medical supply companies are on the S&P
500--nothing like being ahead of the next fad!LOL)

kate

> -bg-
>
> Kitty
Gwen Love - 24 Oct 2004 02:14 GMT
Di, don't you think you have enough going on without spraining that ankle
again!  Am really so sorry it happerned and don't blame you for hating it.
Gwen

> I was feeling so good.  My foot and ankle were better, and my tooth from
> the root canal is no longer hurting.  I have a lousy shoulder problem,
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> molded to customize it.  And, it seems somewhat low profile while being
> a hard stabilizer.  Any thoughts?  I hate my ankle.
ShenMei9 - 24 Oct 2004 02:53 GMT
Di,
That support looks great but I think it would be difficult for me to put on
correctly.  If you get it and that's not the case, let me know.  I just sold
probably ten ankle braces and supports at my garage sale-none of them worked
well for me.  Either they cut off circulation or they were too hard to put on
(most of them).  If i could find a good ankle brace, I could probably start
jogging again so I am  watching the search with great interest

m
Di - 24 Oct 2004 17:48 GMT
ShenMei9 posted...
> Di,
> That support looks great but I think it would be difficult for me to put on
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> m

I bought the MalleoLoc ankle brace from Amazon.com.  It was
significantly cheaper there, and it does look good.  I'll let you know
if it's relatively easy to put on.  I hope so, though I don't have hand
problems that would exacerbate the problem.  

Regardless of how good the brace may be, jogging is certainly not a part
of my life.  It hasn't been since I broke my knee when I was 15,
resulting in a short left leg.  I'm sure the short leg plays a
significant part in my ankle problems.  Breaking my ankle when I was 16
sure didn't help, either.  <sigh>  I'll let you know how it goes, and I
will likely post a product review on amazon, as well.  I'd be the first
reviewer.
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KRopos - 24 Oct 2004 02:15 GMT
I did the aircast thing until I did the replacement thing...good luck kid cuz
those ankles just don't do well (that's my experience)
Kate    Send in the clowns
I will not drag you along; I will not leave you alone; I will stand
by you and have my hand there for you to hold when you need it.
Di - 25 Oct 2004 03:31 GMT
KRopos posted...
> I did the aircast thing until I did the replacement thing...good luck kid cuz
> those ankles just don't do well (that's my experience)
> Kate    Send in the clowns
> I will not drag you along; I will not leave you alone; I will stand
> by you and have my hand there for you to hold when you need it.

Kate, I was hoping you'd weigh in on this, just because you have been
through so much with your ankle.  How's the bionic one holding up?  How
long did you do the aircast?  Did you try other kinds of braces?  I hate
aircasts.
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KRopos - 25 Oct 2004 04:04 GMT
>Kate, I was hoping you'd weigh in on this, just because you have been
>through so much with your ankle.  How's the bionic one holding up?  How
>long did you do the aircast?  Did you try other kinds of braces?  I hate
>aircasts.

My bionic ankle is still just great- can't tell it wasn't always part of me. I
did the aircast thing at least a year and probably longer- just can't remember.
lots of ice helped too. I did ace bandages too for a long time. Tried tall
tennis shoes that laced up but I actually did best with the aircast. Hope ya
find somethin that works but if ya ever need replacement info you know how to
find me.
Kate    Send in the clowns
I will not drag you along; I will not leave you alone; I will stand
by you and have my hand there for you to hold when you need it.
Caroline Marold - 26 Oct 2004 14:45 GMT
Tell me more about this ankle kate. any web site I can
go study?
Duckie

> My bionic ankle is still just great- can't tell it wasn't always part of me. I
> did the aircast thing at least a year and probably longer- just can't remember.
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> I will not drag you along; I will not leave you alone; I will stand
> by you and have my hand there for you to hold when you need it.

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KRopos - 29 Oct 2004 02:43 GMT
try www.agilityankle.com  this is the type I had or www.anklejoint.com another
type.
Kate    Send in the clowns
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Caroline Marold - 29 Oct 2004 18:07 GMT
Thanks Kate -- I have saved your post.
Duckie

> try www.agilityankle.com  this is the type I had or www.anklejoint.com another
> type.
> Kate    Send in the clowns
> I will not drag you along; I will not leave you alone; I will stand
> by you and have my hand there for you to hold when you need it.

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Caroline Marold - 29 Oct 2004 18:14 GMT
Just checked and there is someone at the clinic I go to
that performs the ankle surgery you have. Of course, by
the time I might need this, I hope to be living in CA
by then.
Just keeping my options open
Duckie

> try www.agilityankle.com  this is the type I had or www.anklejoint.com another
> type.
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KRopos - 29 Oct 2004 21:31 GMT
my experience has been great, I recommend it to highly
Kate    Send in the clowns
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Caroline Marold - 29 Oct 2004 22:55 GMT
My big concern about fusion is that I dance. And we all
know how important that is to me. :)
Duckie

> my experience has been great, I recommend it to highly
> Kate    Send in the clowns
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delcorso - 24 Oct 2004 04:13 GMT
Hi Di,
I have a "d*** ankle" too!  I've tried a number of different braces
and supports.  The one that I have liked the best in regard to
support, easy to put on, fits in most shoes....is the Aircast Air
Sport Ankle brace.  Here's a link to a picture and description.  The
only thing I really didn't like is the color.  It only comes in black.
The price listed on this site is not bad.   My ortho surgeon ordered
it for me.  I've had two since then.  It has thick pieces of plastic
that run along the sides of the ankle for stabilization.  It can be
adjusted so that you can tighten it or loosen it for swelling.

http://www.safessl.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=0001&Product
_Code=AIR102&Category_Code=Moderate


Take care,
Carol
Di - 25 Oct 2004 03:35 GMT
delcorso posted...
> Hi Di,
> I have a "d*** ankle" too!  I've tried a number of different braces
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> Take care,
> Carol

Carol, this looks like a decent brace.  I already ordered the Malleoloc,
so I'm going to try it first.  If it's not good, then maybe I'll check
out this one.  This can get expensive.  I'm going to have to get a
prescription, I think, if it will cover it.  
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delcorso - 25 Oct 2004 05:01 GMT
Good luck with the brace you've ordered, Di.  I'll have to check that
one out.  Let us know how you like it.  I'm always game for new
braces, although the aircast one is the best one I've had and I've had
a number of diffent ones.  I hate the ones that lace up because it
takes so darn long to get them on.
As for the expense....it does get expensive.  It would be nice to be
able to go somewhere and try a number of them on before ordering.  You
might want to search the web to compare prices.  I've done that and
found that there are places that have much better prices than
others...sometimes over 10 dollars difference in price for the same
brace.
Carol

> delcorso posted...
> > Hi Di,
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> > that run along the sides of the ankle for stabilization.  It can be
> > adjusted so that you can tighten it or loosen it for swelling.

http://www.safessl.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=0001&Product
_Code=AIR102&Category_Code=Moderate


> > Take care,
> > Carol
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> out this one.  This can get expensive.  I'm going to have to get a
> prescription, I think, if it will cover it.
Gwen Love - 25 Oct 2004 20:19 GMT
Di, be sure your prescription is dated before you buy the brace.  If not, it
will be turned down for sure.
Gwen

> delcorso posted...
> > Hi Di,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> > that run along the sides of the ankle for stabilization.  It can be
> > adjusted so that you can tighten it or loosen it for swelling.

http://www.safessl.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=0001&Product
_Code=AIR102&Category_Code=Moderate


> > Take care,
> > Carol
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> out this one.  This can get expensive.  I'm going to have to get a
> prescription, I think, if it will cover it.
spodosaurus - 24 Oct 2004 06:55 GMT
Hi Di,

The kind I use isn't a hard support. It's the one pictured at the very
bottom of this page:
http://www.physioshop.com.au/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?brace

I combine that with boots that come up over the maleoli (for years it
was Doc Martens 8-hole boots, but I find I don't need that much firm
support). However, I simply have to take small steps. If I have to try
and rush, I take a lot of small steps but faster (it's an interesting
mental image, try it hehe). The ankle support keeps the area nice and
warm but provides a LOT of proprioceptive feedback. Before buying a
bunch of these (for every day of the week) I got by with just the boots,
and it wasn't nearly as effective.

In terms of being aware of the position of the ankle, the support helps
that with both conscious perception and as I mentioned unconscious
proprioception. I also focus on keep the foot and ankle in a
semi-immobile position while walking using the muscles around it. I also
make sure the foot neither over nor under pronates, but still has some
shock absorption roll during the footstep (this is the hardest to get
right, because in a normal ankle it happens naturally and nobody is
aware of it!!!).

This has meant relearning how to walk several times (the hip
replacements did not make this any easier) as the ankle
changes/degenerates. I don't let the foot dorsiflex very much at all
during any footstep! I keep the ankle in position and roll off the ball
of the foot. It looks a bit strange, but I can keep going like that
without making things worse later or the next day.

I can get around the house pretty safely in bare feet or slippers
because the walks are short (very small house) and there're no stairs. I
don't even use my crutch inside, but that's more of an issue of
stubbornness and feeling safe enough that if I fell I know where
everything is so as not to impale myself or break bones (aikido classes
earlier this year, when I had more platelets, taught me a lot about how
to safely fall). That said, some of the most painful injuries to the
ankle (which were going to happen sooner or later as the osteonecrosis
lets the talus collapse) happen around the house, so being stubborn
isn't necessarilly a good thing :-) (at least I was able to catch myself
and avoid falls when the ankle gave)

Cheers,

Ari

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Di - 25 Oct 2004 11:11 GMT
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>
> Ari

When I twisted my ankle a few days ago, I was in my dining room.  I was
totally unable to catch myself, and went down like a ton of bricks.  I
have a huge bruise on my right thigh, also.  What's scarier than
spraining my ankle again is that I could fall, REALLY hurt myself, and
be unable to get up.  Ccompound all this with the fact that I have
osteopenia, very close to osteoporosis, and this is a dangerous
situation. I live alone, and truthfully, this terrifies me.
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d'huit - 24 Oct 2004 08:23 GMT
(((((((((((di)))))))))))))  boy, it sure sound frustrating for you.  i can't
tolerate ankle braces, because of having had polio as a child (in addition
to bone breaks), and the pain they cause me.  so, i do tape and won't be any
help.  but i feel for you and hope you find one that helps you.

kate

>I was feeling so good.  My foot and ankle were better, and my tooth from
> the root canal is no longer hurting.  I have a lousy shoulder problem,
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> molded to customize it.  And, it seems somewhat low profile while being
> a hard stabilizer.  Any thoughts?  I hate my ankle.
Nann Bell - 25 Oct 2004 01:00 GMT
Di,

I've always preferred the basic Futuro ankle brace, that stirrup shaped one,
but my ankle issues are different from yours.  When I was in high school I
was living with what was eventually diagnosed as a "chronic ankle sprain".  
My ankles are so blasted hypermobile that I was spraining them so often that
they never healed in between.  What ultimately fixed me up was physical
therapy.  In my case it was through an orthopedic surgeon who had done well
by my sister as he worked with our local dance company.  It all makes me
wonder if it might be well for you to get a referral to PT.  They could
determine the most appropriate brace for your ankle problems and when you
recover some from this latest twist, they can give you some exercises to
strengthen your ankle so it holds up better.



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Di - 25 Oct 2004 11:05 GMT
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>  

I'm definitely going to get a script for more PT on my ankle.  This is
bad.  Now, my heel is awful again.  I can't put any weight on it at all.  
And, with walking so poorly now, my chances of really ripping it goes up
exponentially, me thinks.  This do suck.
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Squirrely - 25 Oct 2004 21:32 GMT
Di,

wishing you the best with that ankle. Stop hurting it. ;-)

I hope it heals quickly for you.

I am watching this thread too because of ankle problems.

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> I was feeling so good.  My foot and ankle were better, and my tooth from
> the root canal is no longer hurting.  I have a lousy shoulder problem,
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> molded to customize it.  And, it seems somewhat low profile while being
> a hard stabilizer.  Any thoughts?  I hate my ankle.
Lee Thompson-Herbert - 26 Oct 2004 12:33 GMT
>I am wearing my aircast right now, and I hate it.  I've been looking at
>ankle braces on the internet, but it's impossible to determine which one
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>molded to customize it.  And, it seems somewhat low profile while being
>a hard stabilizer.  Any thoughts?  I hate my ankle.

I gave up on anything low-profile a while back.  The podiatrist gave me
the choice of Richie braces or surgery, so the big, ugly Richie braces it
was.  They're essentially a custom-cast version of the Swede-O Arch Lok:
http://www.ankleshop.com/archlok1.htm
I have a pair of those as backups.  I wore them until my custom pair came in.
They can only be worn with a shoe, but they're much better than the aircast
and they give arch support without pinching the area at the bottom of the
brace or at the heel.
 
What I wear now are these:
http://richiebrace.com/
They're completely custom, which means entire thing from the orthotic plate
to the leg sheath was made from a casting of my leg.  They cost about $1800
for a pair, but my insurance pays 80% of the cost for prosthetics and
orthotics.  So I paid $200.  The one thing you can't see from the photos is
that the leg support is all one piece, not two like all the non-custom ones
are made.  This makes for a much more stable and non-irritating support.
It also gives you a little less wiggle room for swelling, but since it was
cast from your leg, it should be pretty close to right unless your legs
_really_ swell a lot.

My shoe choices are pretty much limited to sneakers or DocMartin boots now,
but I can live with that.  In fact, with my black Docs, the braces look an
awful lot like the buckle boots that the club kids wear anyway. ;}  I like
my steel-toed boots.  Makes it easy to kick doors open when I'm in my
wheelchair.

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Nann Bell - 26 Oct 2004 14:29 GMT
>> I am wearing my aircast right now, and I hate it.  I've been looking at
>> ankle braces on the internet, but it's impossible to determine which one
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> What I wear now are these:
> http://richiebrace.com/

Those do look like really good braces!  I geuss they should be for the price,
of course, but it's nice to know there's such good stuff out there.  You all
have me giving thanks for Dr Fry who told me to avoid surgery on my ankle if
at all possible and gave me PT instead, 30 years ago this fall.  I suspect I
would have learned about these braces much sooner without him.

>  I like
> my steel-toed boots.  Makes it easy to kick doors open when I'm in my
> wheelchair.

hehe  gotta like that attitude!

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