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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / October 2004so let's vote on politics on the newsgroup
Refer to Politics OUT thread............seems like one of those discussions that would take forever to reach consensus on; might be more efficient and less volatile if we just do a good old fashioned vote. Should aslo get is into shape for November <g> Let's see how much voter turnout we get. Does anyone want to do the tally? So far we have No partisan politics on asa Yes for PP Kitty Diane Melinda Gwen I think the news groups are required to operate based on the user group stated purpose and the FAQ's. This is Alt Support Arthritis, so unless Dubya and Kerry cause pain and joint swelling, the discusions are off topic and verbotten. Hemoroids doen't count , that would be alt.piles.politics.united states of america. This has always been a very firm rule and one that even the ISP's will reat to if enough complaints are lodged. If you must, start a new usergroup for that purpose. > Refer to Politics OUT thread............seems like one of those discussions >that would take forever to reach consensus on; might be more efficient and less [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Melinda >Gwen > I think the news groups are required to operate based on the user > group stated purpose and the FAQ's. This is Alt Support Arthritis, so [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > If you must, start a new usergroup for that purpose. Bryan, you're a relative newbie here, so I'll let you in on a little secret. "Alt" groups don't have charters. The only reason that this group is relatively free from spammers and pornographers is that people like Kitty, Harv, and others fought them off a few years ago. I know; I was here then. I was here before that time, and, God willing, I will be here after this little spat is over. Anybody who wants to see what we would be like without them can go over to misc.health.arthritis. It died a long time ago. I love all of the folks who are voting "no," but I am going to vote "yes." The reality is that politics affects all of us, both directly and indirectly. Universal health care is a critical issue to us, payment for prescription medications is a critical issue for us, medical accountability is a critical issue for all of us. They are also political issues. The list could go on and on. So, put "POL:" in the subject line and those who don't want to participate can ignore the thread. Walt I am all for it...I dont leave home often. I like to come to this NG and see what is happening with others with all types of joint disorders/diseases. Not just everyones physical condition, but their families, neighbors, pets, and hobbies/jobs. Its basic interaction. I voted no, because there was an absolute. I now see I should have held my tongue and waited. I think as long as POL: is in the subject, then folks can avoid it. Because of the current political thread, I learned about Kitty's friend whose son is in the military...we have a common concern. So something good for me came out of that thread. I change my vote to yes with POL posted in the subject line like Walt suggested. Janet R "Walt Hanks" <walthanks@comcast.net> wrote in message news:hs-dncePzNnO4-XcRVn-| So, put "POL:" in the subject line and those who don't want to participate | can ignore the thread. | | Walt >> I think the news groups are required to operate based on the user >> group stated purpose and the FAQ's. This is Alt Support Arthritis, so [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >Walt Well said and true Walt. ~Kenny http://usslowrydd-770.com >The reality is that politics affects all of us, both directly and >indirectly. Universal health care is a critical issue to us, payment for >prescription medications is a critical issue for us, medical accountability >is a critical issue for all of us. In my town the local hospital is going after people with medical bills and no insurance, like crazy. Putting leans on peoples houses, taking others to court, using collection agency's... I've also noticed that people at the emergency room with no health insurance seem to wait longer than people with health insurance. http://www.michaelmoore.com/index.php http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen.asp I'll let you in on another secret, It's bad manners to post off topic on any usergroup without so marking the post (OT) and many user groups have FAQ's alt or otherwise. ISP's will listen to complaints and act on them. Seniority doesn't count either. Politics and religion will kell a group faster than spam. >> I think the news groups are required to operate based on the user >> group stated purpose and the FAQ's. This is Alt Support Arthritis, so [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >Walt I wish there was middleground, but there isn't. My vote will be no. Janet R | Refer to Politics OUT thread............seems like one of those discussions | that would take forever to reach consensus on; might be more efficient and less [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] | Melinda | Gwen > Refer to Politics OUT thread............seems like one of those > discussions [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Melinda > Gwen Jofirey >> Refer to Politics OUT thread............seems like one of those >> discussions [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> Gwen > Jofirey Kate >>> Refer to Politics OUT thread............seems like one of those >>> discussions [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> Jofirey > Kate Joan ( as a Canadian I find it boring) >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/19/2004 --- Joan My vote is a very strong NO!!! As we have seen in the last couple of weeks since Kittys return, the support group has gone from mostly support to almost all political junk and fighting and very little support. It has also allowed several of our spammers and trolls to run rampant----really not a good thing at all. Donna G Donna G wrote - ~~~~My vote is a very strong NO!!! As we have seen in the last couple of weeks since Kittys return, the support group has gone from mostly support to almost all political junk and fighting and very little support.~~~~ Yep, it's all my fault people don't use their killfile or delete keys even though I constantly recommend they do so. When I got back the posts were way down. My server kept 2500 recent posts active when I left ASA. When I first got back, it was down to 1486 because of the low volume. Why? Because it wasn't as exciting as when people like Cush, me and some others were here. Controversy gets people out of a rut and thinking about other things again. If you can't handle it, don't read it. Very little support going on? There are three threads with sh.t going on and over 50 with regular suppot contents. What the hell are you talking about? ~~~It has also allowed several of our spammers and trolls to run rampant----really not a good thing at all.~~~~ Again, what the hell are you talking about? There are no spammers at the moment and the last one was only here about 3 days. There is only one troll at the moment and that's only because I believe he has a mental defect with tunnel vision. As soon as something else comes along more interesting to him, he'll be gone, too. Point out the threads with ramant running and I'll run over there and get a conga line going LOL!!! -g- Kitty Donna G wrote - ~~~~My vote is a very strong NO!!! As we have seen in the last couple of weeks since Kittys return, the support group has gone from mostly support to almost all political junk and fighting and very little support.~~~~ Yep, it's all my fault people don't use their killfile or delete keys even though I constantly recommend they do so. When I got back the posts were way down. My server kept 2500 recent posts active when I left ASA. When I first got back, it was down to 1486 because of the low volume. Why? Because it wasn't as exciting as when people like Cush, me and some others were here. Controversy gets people out of a rut and thinking about other things again. If you can't handle it, don't read it. Very little support going on? There are three threads with sh.t going on and over 50 with regular suppot contents. What the hell are you talking about? ~~~It has also allowed several of our spammers and trolls to run rampant----really not a good thing at all.~~~~ Again, what the hell are you talking about? There are no spammers at the moment and the last one was only here about 3 days. There is only one troll at the moment and that's only because I believe he has a mental defect with tunnel vision. As soon as something else comes along more interesting to him, he'll be gone, too. Point out the threads with ramant running and I'll run over there and get a conga line going LOL!!! -g- Kitty i'm not blaming you, kitty, for all of the political junk nor any spammers. i don't know what your newsgroup server is. but mine (giganews) has steadily listed between 46,000-60,000 active asa posts, of which, of course, i only keep about 5800-6000 (roughly 1600-2200 unread) downloaded at a time, but i can download them all if i want to. so, i suspect that your perception is based upon your server's protocol. truthfully, since i first found asa (2 years ago, this past june), it has been, mostly, a very active and prolifically posting newsgroup. in all that time, i believe i can safely say that there have been roughly, only about 8 different days when i thought everybody on asa was on vacation and i was left behind.<smile> and there were many, many times, i couldn't keep up with the quantity of current (meaning a few days up to a week's worth of) posts. "exciting" means lots of different things to lots of different people, kitty. it can mean stressful to one person and envigorating to another; boring to one and stirring to another. it can mean hearing a hawk's cry to one and being thrilled to finally have a good night's sleep to another. it can mean a challenge or it can mean a resolution. the definition depends upon one's individual perception of what is interesting and/or what makes one feel awakened to, and/or aware of, something new or different. what i mean is that controversy is not its only measurement of what is or isn't exciting or stimulating. personally, i find many controversies enervating---because of their lack of depth and insight; and/or because of the intransigent unwillingness, of either or both sides of an issue/topic, to explore beyond the rote learning of their particular side. and too, the "need to be right" often interferes with any meaningful dialog and tends to produce tedious pedantics. kate kate wrote - ~~~~i'm not blaming you, kitty, for all of the political junk nor any spammers. i don't know what your newsgroup server is. but mine (giganews) has steadily listed between 46,000-60,000 active asa posts, of which, of course, i only keep about 5800-6000 (roughly 1600-2200 unread) downloaded at a time, but i can download them all if i want to. so, i suspect that your perception is based upon your server's protocol.~~~~ By active posts I mean threads that people are actually still posting in. ~~~~truthfully, since i first found asa (2 years ago, this past june), it has been, mostly, a very active and prolifically posting newsgroup. in all that time, i believe i can safely say that there have been roughly, only about 8 different days when i thought everybody on asa was on vacation and i was left behind.<smile> and there were many, many times, i couldn't keep up with the quantity of current (meaning a few days up to a week's worth of) posts "exciting" means lots of different things to lots of different people, kitty. it can mean stressful to one person and envigorating to another; boring to one and stirring to another. it can mean hearing a hawk's cry to one and being thrilled to finally have a good night's sleep to another. it can mean a challenge or it can mean a resolution. the definition depends upon one's individual perception of what is interesting and/or what makes one feel awakened to, and/or aware of, something new or different. what i mean is that controversy is not its only measurement of what is or isn't exciting or stimulating. personally, i find many controversies enervating---because of their lack of depth and insight; and/or because of the intransigent unwillingness, of either or both sides of an issue/topic, to explore beyond the rote learning of their particular side. and too, the "need to be right" often interferes with any meaningful dialog and tends to produce tedious pedantics.~~~~~ What I get out of your post is that one sides view is somehow more important than the others. A 'I don't want to talk about that so you can't either' mentality. I'm absolutely flabbergasted that so many people here think they have some right to tell others what they can post about. Even more incredible is that they would rather stiffle free speech that hit the frickin' delete key or do a killfile procedure. It makes no sense! -g- Kitty kate wrote - ~~~~i'm not blaming you, kitty, for all of the political junk nor any spammers. i don't know what your newsgroup server is. but mine (giganews) has steadily listed between 46,000-60,000 active asa posts, of which, of course, i only keep about 5800-6000 (roughly 1600-2200 unread) downloaded at a time, but i can download them all if i want to. so, i suspect that your perception is based upon your server's protocol.~~~~ By active posts I mean threads that people are actually still posting in. ok. i don't go back more posts than i can handle, so i can't say how many are being gone back to and posted to. ~~~~truthfully, since i first found asa (2 years ago, this past june), it has been, mostly, a very active and prolifically posting newsgroup. in all that time, i believe i can safely say that there have been roughly, only about 8 different days when i thought everybody on asa was on vacation and i was left behind.<smile> and there were many, many times, i couldn't keep up with the quantity of current (meaning a few days up to a week's worth of) posts "exciting" means lots of different things to lots of different people, kitty. it can mean stressful to one person and envigorating to another; boring to one and stirring to another. it can mean hearing a hawk's cry to one and being thrilled to finally have a good night's sleep to another. it can mean a challenge or it can mean a resolution. the definition depends upon one's individual perception of what is interesting and/or what makes one feel awakened to, and/or aware of, something new or different. what i mean is that controversy is not its only measurement of what is or isn't exciting or stimulating. personally, i find many controversies enervating---because of their lack of depth and insight; and/or because of the intransigent unwillingness, of either or both sides of an issue/topic, to explore beyond the rote learning of their particular side. and too, the "need to be right" often interferes with any meaningful dialog and tends to produce tedious pedantics.~~~~~ What I get out of your post is that one sides view is somehow more important than the others. A 'I don't want to talk about that so you can't either' mentality. that's part of it. there is also a lot of regurgitation without any real thought behind it---what i meant by what was learned by rote. I'm absolutely flabbergasted that so many people here think they have some right to tell others what they can post about. Even more incredible is that they would rather stiffle free speech that hit the frickin' delete key or do a killfile procedure. It makes no sense! well, you haven't been here in a very long time, kitty.<smile> simply put, things change, as the needs and desires of the group changes. the dynamics in any group rarely remain static, especially when the group continues to add new members and lose old members. the group's "personality" also changes as the dynamics change. this is much like a family adapts when the kids leave the nest and later bring their new spouses to it or when there is a death in a family. you're flabbergasted and probably/possibly are a bit frustrated, because you thought you were returning to the very same group you left. in a lot of ways, it still is; and in a lot of other ways, it no longer is the same group. kate -g- Kitty kate wrote - ~~~~~well, you haven't been here in a very long time, kitty.<smile>~~~~ I told you guys that for every two that was glad to see me back, one would wonder why the hell I couldn't stay dead. We know what group you're in kate LOL!!! (snippage of condescending rhetoric) ~~~~because you thought you were returning to the very same group you left. in a lot of ways, it still is; and in a lot of other ways, it no longer is the same group.~~~~ Actually kate, I thought the turnover would be at the 90% level and was pleasantly surprised when so many were still here. The 'group' hasn't changed much at all. Go to google and look it up. They're still talking about their pets, and gimpfests, the weather and natural disasters, and drugs, and crappy Dr's, and how to get a Dr to provide better pain relief, what's the next drug coming down the pike, etc. I don't know why you think you know more about the group dynamics, but if it makes you happy happy joy joy, go for it! -g- Kitty > kate wrote - > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > would wonder why the hell I couldn't stay dead. We know what group > you're in kate LOL!!! i couldn't possibly fall into either of your catagories. i wasn't on this newsgroup when you were alive on it before. i've only just begun getting to know you since your cyber-resurrection.LOL > (snippage of condescending rhetoric) > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > disasters, and drugs, and crappy Dr's, and how to get a Dr to provide > better pain relief, what's the next drug coming down the pike, etc. yes, i said that in a lot of ways it is still the same group. > I don't know why you think you know more about the group dynamics, but > if it makes you happy happy joy joy, go for it! i was speaking about group dynamics in general, as may or may not be applicable, because you expressed that you were "flabbergasted", which means that you were astonished or surprised by what you didn't expect. i was simply attempting to suggest what might be the undercurrent for your "flabbergastedness". however, i now see that i was incorrect in my attempt. i perceive you wanted something else. kate > -g- > > Kitty What I get out of your post is that one sides view is somehow more important than the others. A 'I don't want to talk about that so you can't either' mentality. I'm absolutely flabbergasted that so many people here think they have some right to tell others what they can post about. Even more incredible is that they would rather stiffle free speech that hit the frickin' delete key or do a killfile procedure. It makes no sense! -g- Kitty In the past when there have been problems and hurt feelings over political stuff, it has been pretty generally acknogledged that free speech is there. And that anyone CAN post anything they like. But that there is a difference between what a person can do and what they should do. Yes, I can say anything I want to. I can also choose not to. Based on what I've seen happen in the past I choose not to. Jo i'm changing my vote to yes, with POL in the heading. walt's post convinced me. there are too many issues that impact on us with regard to health care, insurance etc. and as for this being an international group, i would LOVE to hear from people in other countries as to how their goverments handles such issues if they're willing. the u.s. is not doing such a great job of it, IMHO. today i got my remicade and the nurse giving it to me said she wasn't going to vote because she hates both candidates. i asked her her opinion on health care/taxes/stem cell research/civil rights etc, and i think she was surprised to see how passionate she felt about each item and how she truly could see a reason to vote. i didn't care which way she landed on the subjects (honest). i just wanted her to see that we're going to end up with one of these guys and she could help elect the one who more closely shared her values. she promised me she'd vote. i was more excited about this than about getting my remicade. :-) diane > she promised me she'd vote And, that's what it's all about! Very cool, Diane...WTG! ---- Hoping your hills are never too steep. Be well, Patty Good job Diane! Gwen > i'm changing my vote to yes, with POL in the heading. walt's post convinced me. > there are too many issues that impact on us with regard to health care, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > diane I think this is the reality here. No one is going to change my mind about how I choose to vote..and certainly calling me names surely isn't going to bring me to the 'other side or right side' I have made it my mission not to preach party but to tell people to get out and vote...it's really important...hell, it's the only way we can have our own say in a constructive way. melissa (who leans to the left also...and believes in God and isn't a Marxist) >Good job Diane! >Gwen [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> >> diane From: "Barry Sylva" <pilbaradingo@ozemail.com.au> To: "DCHAM" <dcham@aol.comnospam> Subject: Re: OTP/U.S. POL: so let's vote on politics on the newsgroup Date: Saturday, 23 October 2004 8:49 AM Unfortunately we in Australia are rapidly developing a "two-tiered" health system - one service for the "rich", one for the "poor". We did have a very fair and effective system, but conservative governments have poured millions into the private sector, and one of our most valuable social assets is being destroyed. I very nearly did not vote at our recent federal elections as I am digusted by the politics like your nurse. America is often blamed as a role model for what is happening here, but it is all our own work - our politicians are no better than yours. I'm afraid I am with your nurse !!! Regards, Barry, NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "DCHAM" <dcham@aol.comnospam> Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:23 AM Subject: OTP/U.S. POL: so let's vote on politics on the newsgroup > i'm changing my vote to yes, with POL in the heading. walt's post convinced me. > there are too many issues that impact on us with regard to health care, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > diane > From: "Barry Sylva" <pilbaradingo@ozemail.com.au> > To: "DCHAM" <dcham@aol.comnospam> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > !!! > Regards, Barry, NSW Australia Just jumping in sideways here for a mo... The situation you describe above is oh so familiar here in the UK, as it appears to be in many countries. Governments are now serving the "needs" of international corporations above those of the people who elected them, and all it takes is an "interest" in a "market" and next thing you know, the laws have been changed and the suited ones are talking about "reforms" and "improvements" and "opportunities" etc. Its piracy on a world scale. That simple. Its the OCP model at work. While I have no direct solutions to offer for the situation, I would encourage people to do some research into how the world really works these days, and at least get out and make SOME difference by voting. If in doubt, counter-vote an idiot. At least that way you did SOMETHING! ;) As a comment to add to the general thread, there is no way you can avoid politics if you have a health problem. You can, however, avoid partisan political "platforming" which, as someone said earlier, is something for another NG. P.S. Sig-lines are fine, but don't forget to precede them with a double-dash so newsreader applications "know" its a sig line and don't go adding it to each reply. RANT=1 Also, for those "artists" who think dumping the > for quoted reply content is a cute idea. It isn't. It make things more difficult to read through, and it screws up a standard Usenet function whereby other readers that rely on this STANDARD cannot interact with it and fail to recognise the difference between the quoted and the posted. There is more software out there that just OE or IE folks, and some of it has been there from the start. M$ software is NOT an internet "standard", and just because something looks pretty to YOU on YOUR screen, does not mean you have NOT just buggered up someone else's display by forcing your own mods on them. RANT=0 ~~~__|||???\\\\---+++++¬/ Have a nice day. ;\  Signature--------------------------- Another squeaking wheel @ http://www.deja-moo.co.uk/~mikesweb/ http://www.mikeswebsite.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ > No partisan politics on asa Diane Melinda Gwen Jofirey Kate Char Char "Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green I have to vote no as well. Look what discension this has already caused in this group. There are any number of political newsgroups available if people want to discuss politics. Anne AAC/AAF/AFBV62.0844.AZ http://www.tckworld.com/opfoot What's that you aren't supposed to talk about if you want to stay friends with somebody? Religion, Politics and...? That's why I haven't answered about favorite bumper stickers - they are decidedly political. We aren't a moderated group. Theoretically, we can say anything. Good nettiquette keeps us labeling OTP as OTP. So I will be non-committal (or was that, I should be committed?) : Discuss politics if you choose, just label it OTP. SignatureAdelle D. Stavis, Esq. > Refer to Politics OUT thread............seems like one of those discussions > that would take forever to reach consensus on; might be more efficient and less [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Melinda > Gwen But there are OTP's that we are interested in Adelle. They should be listed as Political if they are to be posted. Gwen > What's that you aren't supposed to talk about if you want to stay friends > with somebody? Religion, Politics and...? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Melinda > > Gwen > What's that you aren't supposed to talk about if you want to stay friends > with somebody? Religion, Politics and...? > > That's why I haven't answered about favorite bumper stickers - they are > decidedly political. me too--i knew the bumper sticker that is actually on my car might cause a battle. so, i just happened to remember somebody else's old sig file, for a laugh.LOL kate >> Refer to Politics OUT thread............seems like one of those > discussions [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> Melinda >> Gwen > > What's that you aren't supposed to talk about if you want to stay friends > > with somebody? Religion, Politics and...? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > kate It was one of my absolute faves for a long time...still is the sig line on my WW online profile.<g> Kelly C.;o) > Refer to Politics OUT thread............seems like one of those discussions > that would take forever to reach consensus on; might be more efficient and less [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Melinda > Gwen I personally prefer not to discuss politics on the group, but would be happy if anyone who did would just put 'political' in the subject line. Kelly C. >> Refer to Politics OUT thread............seems like one of those >discussions [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> Diane >> Melinda Rose B When I was very young my dad used to get into huge political arguements to the point of throwing people (figuratlively) out of the house. Although I was 8 when he died, I remember these disagreements and how uncomfortable they made me feel. As an adult, when I was working at my first teaching job I rented a house from a woman who tried to tell me who to vote for, who to purchase home heating fuel from, and the like. I moved out. Politics, like religion, are at the heart of one's belief system. There are implications for the health care system, certainly, and I don't believe it is wrong to voice opinions about how a particular political system affects health care and what the ramifications are in regards to arthritis. But that is now what is happening here.We are having people attach each other and the disagreements are becoming unpleasant. We are losing the sense of family and camaraderie that were once at the core of this group. There is not a meaningful exchange of ideas that will help anyone form an informed opinion, but rather the same mud slinging that takes place in political campaigns. Perhaps I shoud remail by the sidelines and say nothing. I am, after all, Canadian. I will say that I hate to see a group that has been a very unified, supportive, and safe place to be disintegrate over politics. Over the years we have developed a greater sense of tolerance and acceptance of beliefs other than our own. Political discussions devolve into something that is less than tolerable. I well remember the year I turned 18 and voted for the first time. Since then I valued the opportunity to voice my political opinion that way. I think that having a solid understanding of a parties stance is essential, but I don't think it is necessary to bring it into every discussion, and I hate what it is doing to us here. So shoot me if you must for voicing my opinion, just get it over with quickly. LOL ( A veiled reference to a book written by Max Braithwaite called Why Shoot the Teacher) Rose I vote No. SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare > Refer to Politics OUT thread............seems like one of those discussions > that would take forever to reach consensus on; might be more efficient and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Melinda > Gwen I don't contribute a whole lot but am here every day to continue learning from all of you and appreciate your posts. Having said that, I vote NO. My reason is that the political disussions haven't stayed reasonable and thoughful, but have descended to a level that I find annoying and bullying. Ann >Having said that, I vote NO. My reason is that the political disussions >haven't stayed reasonable and thoughful, but have descended to a level >that I find annoying and bullying. > >Ann Sounds like Kelly lately...I know I dont do that. http://www.michaelmoore.com/index.php http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen.asp > >Having said that, I vote NO. My reason is that the political disussions > >haven't stayed reasonable and thoughful, but have descended to a level [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sounds like Kelly lately...I know I dont do that. Okay, this has happened several times lately. There are two Kellys that post regularly here and one Kitty Kelly. Please attribute your replies properly. If I'm going to be blamed for something at least make sure the group knows I deserve it. Thanks. Kelly C. >> >Having said that, I vote NO. My reason is that the political disussions >> >haven't stayed reasonable and thoughful, but have descended to a level [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Kelly C. ROTFLMAO! i was wondering when you were going to catch that.<giggling> did i ever tell you about bootsie, the invisible dog? bootsie was very handy to blame for everything.LOL kate > > Okay, this has happened several times lately. There are two Kellys that > > post [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > kate Sheesh...and I try so hard to stay out of the flames, too! lol Kelly C.;o)-getting a whiff of smoke...and not in a good way. >> > Okay, this has happened several times lately. There are two Kellys that >> > post [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Kelly C.;o)-getting a whiff of smoke...and not in a good way. LOL! what is it they claim one should do in that event?---lay low and crawl? ??? nahhhh, you just stand tall and know we know you aren't scorching a thing.<smile> kate >Okay, this has happened several times lately. There are two Kellys that post >regularly here and one Kitty Kelly. Please attribute your replies properly. >If I'm going to be blamed for something at least make sure the group knows I >deserve it. Thanks. > >Kelly C. So sorry Kelly C., I think everybody knows who I mean... http://www.michaelmoore.com/index.php http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen.asp No Politics especially if the thread turns and there is no warning. If you turn the thread, then please change the subject line as I have gotten to completely skipping some threads now. I know who I am voting for and no one -- NO ONE -- will change my mind. ;) So no politics in my favorite spot -- ASA. Duckie who is actually voting tomorrow if I have time. Not waiting in line just before surgery with all those people -- some of which might just have a cold or worse. > Refer to Politics OUT thread............seems like one of those discussions > that would take forever to reach consensus on; might be more efficient and less [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Melinda > Gwen Signature_('> (_<_) _ _('< -quack (_<_) _ __('< *QUACK!* <_{__) _('< "|,,|_" (_<_) _('< "AFLAC!" (_<_) I vote 'no.' ---- Hoping your hills are never too steep. Be well, Patty Caroline Marold posted... > No Politics especially if the thread turns and there is > no warning. If you turn the thread, then please change [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Not waiting in line just before surgery with all those > people -- some of which might just have a cold or worse. Caroline, I agree with you completely. I know who I am voting for, and absolutely nothing will change my mind. I'm sure most everyone else feels the same way. So, why bother? However, I do wish we'd discuss how politics affect medical decisions. So, I'm going to vote YES, but with a qualification. Label the post POLITICAL, and post your point. If someone doesn't feel like reading, then don't. It's that simple. But, labeling would be critical. We already do it with OTP. SignatureDi dabell at optonline dot net www.pbase.com/di "Terrorism is the war of the poor. War is the terrorism of the rich." Peter Ustinov >Di >dabell at optonline dot net >www.pbase.com/di Nice gallery! http://www.michaelmoore.com/index.php http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen.asp Specialsearcher posted... > >Di > >dabell at optonline dot net [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen.asp Thank you! :-) SignatureDi dabell at optonline dot net www.pbase.com/di "Terrorism is the war of the poor. War is the terrorism of the rich." Peter Ustinov >Caroline Marold posted... >> No Politics especially if the thread turns and there is [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >then don't. It's that simple. But, labeling would be critical. We >already do it with OTP. I agree. Right now there is a big political difference of opinion over embryonic stem cell research. Wasn't there an announcement a few weeks back that a woman was cured of RA with Stem cell replacement? What ever came of that. I think politics as it relates to health care issues should be discussed here. Thumper To reply drop XYZ in address ~~~~I agree. Right now there is a big political difference of opinion over embryonic stem cell research. Wasn't there an announcement a few weeks back that a woman was cured of RA with Stem cell replacement? What ever came of that. ~~~~Thumper My Dr says that if I ever decide to do it, he'll arrange to get me into a facility that does it. Only 2 places in the US are doing it as experimental therapy. Mayo won't do it. The problem with doing it for RA vs cancer is that when you're doing it to kill cancer cells, it's not critical that you kill every single cell. You'll get chemotherapy to kill off any stragglers. When you're doing it for RA, I was told they have to take you 'closer to death', because if even a single immune cell is left, it can teach all the new cells to flip on permanently and you're right back where you started. I just don't see the point of going through all that at my stage. I'll never walk again and the residual damage is too far along. If they had it 12 years ago, I probably would have jumped at it. The first RA patient to do it was a guy in Australia quite a few years ago. I was trying to follow his case but the info is sketchy. I read in a magazine article that his RA came back several years later, but it wasn't a medical journal so I don't know if it's true or not. It's definitely not something for anybody but the worst cases. -g- Kitty Politics is not something that most people can discuss without a lot of venom in their words (and hearts). We DO NOT need any of this. There are people here whom I like, but whose political views are quite at odds with my own. I would like to be able to think of them as friends first, not as political "idiots". Also. THIS IS AN INTERNATIONAL NEWGROUP. The politics of one country do not read well in another. > Also. THIS IS AN INTERNATIONAL NEWGROUP. The politics of one country do > not read well in another. Thank you for pointing that out. I really don't care what people discuss, but I hope that if political discussion is allowed, it will be labeled as such. I'd really prefer to see "Political - US" (or whatever country) so that the rest can filter based on the headers. Janet N. ~~~~~Also. THIS IS AN INTERNATIONAL NEWGROUP. The politics of one country do not read well in another. ~~~~~Norman Then they don't have to read them, Norman. It's such a simple concept. I always envision the non-Americans shaking their heads and thinking how in the hell can they be a superpower when they're all crazy LOL!!! -g- Kitty > Politics is not something that most people can discuss without a lot of > venom in their words (and hearts). We DO NOT need any of this. There are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Also. THIS IS AN INTERNATIONAL NEWGROUP. The politics of one country do > not read well in another. well said, Norman. My sentiments exactly. SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare I vote to SAVE THE EMU! <of course> Hugs from Rosie Signature"If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself" -- Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II > Refer to Politics OUT thread............seems like one of those discussions > that would take forever to reach consensus on; might be more efficient and less [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Melinda > Gwen Don't care one way or the other - I read it all. Kimmy Gimpfests 2005: Florida/Oregon Which way do ya wanna go? http://www.fadedjeans.com/gimpfest/ My vote is allow them, but make sure they're marked POL as Walt has suggested. I frequently ignore threads that have become political or vituperative or just downright fighting. I don't do name calling or foul language or anything of that sort so often skip over some posts. My $0.02 DeeTee ________________________________ DeeTee and Bob Taggart http://www.marykay.com/dtaggart3 http://mysite.verizon.net/vze8fwov/ ________________________________ > Refer to Politics OUT thread............seems like one of those > discussions [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Melinda > Gwen > Refer to Politics OUT thread............seems like one of those discussions > that would take forever to reach consensus on; might be more efficient and less > volatile if we just do a good old fashioned vote. Should aslo get is into > shape for November <g> November hah. My vote is already cast (by early absentee ballot yesterday). > Let's see how much voter turnout we get. Does anyone > want to do the tally? NO. > So far we have > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Melinda > Gwen I vote "No", mainly by refusing to be drawn into political discussions when they arise here. Other folks may argue as they wish. In the meanwhile I'll just sit here humming "Alice's Restaurant". With any luck in 2 weeks time this will be a non-issue and we can get back to the real struggles of our lives. SignatureNathan Engle Computer Support, IUB Psych Dept nengle@indiana.edu http://mypage.iu.edu/~nengle "Some Assembly Required" I vote Yes. I think it adds spice to the stew. Shirlawn ~~~~I vote Yes. I think it adds spice to the stew. ~~~~Shirlawn You're the coolest, Shirlawn! -bg- Kitty Nathan Engle posted... > ..................... > > With any luck in 2 weeks time this will be a non-issue and > we can get back to the real struggles of our lives. Amen to that, Nathan! But, we're going to have to have some kind of acclimation period, wherein people are going to be either ecstatic or angry over who was "chosen" to be our next head honcho. I'd give it....hmmmmmmm...... maybe four years. <g> SignatureDi dabell at optonline dot net www.pbase.com/di "Terrorism is the war of the poor. War is the terrorism of the rich." Peter Ustinov |
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