Hi Mike,

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No one was able to prove in court that any votes were 'illegally cut out'.
If the voters directly elected 9,000 votes would make a difference.
In our system the votes only elect the members of the Electoral College & direct
them how to vote.

As the system is set up the EC members in most states are not required to cast
their votes as directed by the voters. The EC system was put in to place because
there was no idea the country would end up with a 2 party system.

As I said we don't have & never had a true democracy. Our system may not be
perfect but on the average it works better than most other systems.


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NO! Vote for me. ^_^

GramPaHugs,
Alex,

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Well done, Di.  

m

Not really, my system of coping works ok.

I preach unity among ALL ILL PEOPLE and more activism across the board, if not
for us than for children of America...

http://www.michaelmoore.com/index.php

http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen.asp

Special troll wrote - -

~~~~I'm not so much into the world, but you know I would like a national
health care system for all... We talked about it in the last major
election. Its a BASIC plan supported by tax dollars where every American
is covered at the BASIC level all the time~~~~~

It all sounds hunky dory and if you lived in the 'perfect world' of the
Walgreens commercials it would be great.  But we live in reality and a
government run health system will never work.  There isn't a country on
the planet with universal coverage that works well.  They may have in
the beginning, but they've all deteriorated.  

All the medical ng's have people from those countries complaining about
long wait lists, bad Dr's, no access to the newest technology, etc.
Back when I was in the chronic pain ng, many people had problems getting
adequate pain control because their governments limited access to
narcotics.

~~~~So if you work for yourself your covered, if you work for a company
your covered, if you don't work your covered. Under it, you could see
any medical doctor in the country you wanted. The plan would pay ITS
basic fee for the service; if the doctor charged more, the patient would
have to pay the difference as a copay~~~~~

That's just plain stupid!  How long do you think it would take before
everyne from the middle-class  down, is jumping up and down screaming
because they can't afford access to the best Dr's?  You can bet your a.s
that 99.9% of the Dr's are not going to accept the governments limit.
It's rare to find a Dr that will accept medicares limit now.

~~~Much like now there would be a small copay, and the system would
negotiate for the prices of a doctors service and drugs.~~~~

Most Dr's graduate with huge school loan debts.  I've read that the
estimates are between $100,000 and $250,000.  I know of one Dr that owed
$363,000 when he graduated.  The cost of setting up a practice is huge.
Malpractice insurance rates are still skyrocketing.  They have large
payrolls to support.  They have families to support.  What makes you
think the government will be able to 'negotiate' enugh to get the Dr's
to accept what the government will pay with just a 'small co-pay' from
you?  The Dr's won't accept what medicare says it will pay!  If you
don't have secondary insurance, you're in trouble.

~~~~Private add on plans would be allowed, but the governments basic
plan would always be cheaper. I think you get the idea~~~~~

Yeah, I have the idea you aren't living on the same planet as me.  Those
add on plans are going to come with high premiuns because they know
they're going to pay some hefty bills.  Then people like you will be
bitching about that.

~~~~Its time to scare you, I would increase the role of the CDC a to
prevent sickness and disease not only at the national level, but also at
the local level~~~~

Promise me you'll never run for office, dude!  Now you're saying you'd
have them spend even more money and still keep healthcare costs down.
Have you ever taken an economics class?  Where is all this magical money
going to come from?  I'm already in the 39% tax bracket.  

My husband and I have to give the government 40% of everything we earn.
How much more do you think we should give?  We worked our a.ses off for
every penny.  How much more should we give to let people that didn't
want to work as hard, have universal coverage?  50%?  How about 75%?
According to oe news report, England actually has a 90% tax bracket
level.

How long do you think people like my husband and I are going to work
hard when our taxes rise even higher to pay for all these pipedreams?
No one is!  If the governments going to take it all anyway, you might as
well stay home and enjoy your family.

Then what is your universal coverage going to do?  No tax money coming
in to pay for it.  Oh, yeah, democrats like to raise corporate taxes.
Then they bitch bcause everyones losing their jobs because the money has
to go to pay taxes.  It's a no win with you guys.

~~~~I think the CDC can and should do much more to keep health costs
down, such as finding the cause of diseases. We all know the best cure
is PREVENTION; so the CDC would educate the public on a regular basis on
disease prevention. It would start with babies; every mother would get a
CD, video or a book with advise on how handle the usual small health
things and dangers that come with children. There's more but you get the
picture. It would cost about same and everyone is covered. ~~~~~

You're just plain crazy if you believe that.  The CDC has a very
specific goal nd doesn't need to be bogged down with more crap.  We have
the NIH which is much more suited for what you're talking about.  

How long do youthink it will take before people are lining up to sue the
government over those CD's?  "You told me to stay home and take care of
it myself and my baby died'.

~~~~THIS IS NOT KERRY's PLAN!
But John Kerry's plan is a start in the right direction. Its not
perfect, but no system is going to be perfect for everyone. Its a good
one for most people.~~~~

But it's where Kerry wants to go.  What you can't or don't want to see,
is that Kerry will promise anything you want to hear to get elected.
You want universal healthcare - sure, why not.  He and the catsup queen
will never stand in line!  They have access to the best of the best.

It's like when congress first voted to exclude themselves from paying
income tax on their salaries.  How can you have a body making laws about
things that don't effect them?  Raise taxes?  Sure, after all, it won't
hurt me!

Universal coverage isn't just Universal coverage.  It has a huge domino
effect that will change your entire life for the worse.  Does the system
need to be fixed?  Yes, but that's not the answer.

Be careful what you ask for, you might get it!

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Kitty