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Rationale for menses / natural bloodletting

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doe - 27 Sep 2004 13:04 GMT
J Am Acad Dermatol. 2003 Sep;49(3):547-50.  Related Articles, Links  

 
Porphyria cutanea tarda with menopausal exacerbation: the possible role of
menstruation as natural phlebotomy.

Nishioka E, Funasaka Y, Bito T, Ito A, Tani M, Kawara A, Yoon S, Kondo M,
Ichihashi M.

Department of Dermatology, Kobe University School of Medicine, Japan.

We describe a 48-year-old woman with a 12-year history of porphyria cutanea
tarda who showed a remarkable exacerbation of her eruptions accompanied by high
serum levels of iron and ferritin at menopause. As iron storage is known to be
a triggering factor of porphyria cutanea tarda, the possible role of
menstruation as natural phlebotomy to prevent porphyria cutanea tarda
exacerbation is discussed.

Publication Types:
Case Reports

PMID: 12963930 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Char - 27 Sep 2004 18:09 GMT
Here Kitty, Kitty, Kitty.  Here Kitty, Kitty, Kitty.
Char

"Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green
spodosaurus - 27 Sep 2004 18:17 GMT
> Here Kitty, Kitty, Kitty.  Here Kitty, Kitty, Kitty.
> Char
>
> "Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green

I have him killfiled, but I was wondering when someone would try and get
Kitty after him. I think I might just remove him from the bit bucket to
watch the trouncing.

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Char - 27 Sep 2004 18:35 GMT
>I have him killfiled, but I was wondering when someone would try and get
>Kitty after him. I think I might just remove him from the bit bucket to
>watch the trouncing

It should be quite a show.  Lordy, we have wanted to sic Kitty on him for such
a long time.  Even when we didnt know if she was dead or alive.
Char

"Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green
d'huit - 27 Sep 2004 20:37 GMT
> Here Kitty, Kitty, Kitty.  Here Kitty, Kitty, Kitty.
> Char

had to read the rest of the thread to figure out who you were siccing kitty
on, char.  ol' rust for a raison d'etre has been plonked for a long time on
this end.  gonna have to unplonk him for this.  wouldn't miss it for the
world!

kate
(pity this bout won't be on cable tv. heheheh.  say, does anybody want to
start a cyber betting pool on this---on how many rounds he goes before kitty
finishes him off?LOL  we could bet pieces of chocolate.<g>)

> "Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green
Char - 27 Sep 2004 21:27 GMT
>  gonna have to unplonk him for this.  wouldn't miss it for the
>world!

yep Its gonna be quite a show.  lol

>LOL  we could bet pieces of chocolate.<g>)

My chocolate is on Kitty, but chocolate isnt on my diet.  lol

Char

"Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green
d'huit - 27 Sep 2004 22:43 GMT
>>  gonna have to unplonk him for this.  wouldn't miss it for the
>>world!
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Char

in how many rounds, char?--and we could substitute something you can have on
your diet.<smile>

my dark dove promises are on kitty in 3 rounds.  i can't wait to see
this.<chuckling> man, she's good!

kate

> "Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green
Char - 28 Sep 2004 05:56 GMT
>my dark dove promises are on kitty in 3 rounds.

Well, this guy is tenacious, and she is out of practice.  I fear she wont be
able to do him in in less than 4.  lol  But it wouldnt surprise me, if she did
it in less.
Char

"Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green
Mary Z - 28 Sep 2004 14:35 GMT
>Well, this guy is tenacious, and she is out of practice.  I fear she wont be
>able to do him in in less than 4.  lol  But it wouldnt surprise me, if she did
>it in less.

Damn you guys now I have to unplonk him so I can follow this.  Kitty
is just playing with him wait until she pounces.  Bloodclot will wind
up in the kitty litter.  -- MZ

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Char - 28 Sep 2004 17:33 GMT
>Damn you guys now I have to unplonk him so I can follow this.  Kitty
>is just playing with him wait until she pounces.  Bloodclot will wind
>up in the kitty litter.  -- MZ

I should be fun to watcj
Char

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Harvey R. Stone - 28 Sep 2004 14:59 GMT
> >my dark dove promises are on kitty in 3 rounds.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> it in less.
> Char

Tenacious,,, true but does not tell enough.  IMO which means very little, he
has serious mental problems that no amount of beating will cure.
Harv
Joan Carter - 27 Sep 2004 22:49 GMT
>had to read the rest of the thread to figure out who you were siccing kitty
>on, char.  ol' rust for a raison d'etre has been plonked for a long time on
>this end.  gonna have to unplonk him for this.  wouldn't miss it for the
>world!

Yup, Kate. I think Tom Turd is having his period again from the look of this
thread. He should see his gynecologist, this is the third time this month, isn't
it? I DO worry about him so. <snicker>
---
Joan
d'huit - 28 Sep 2004 01:49 GMT
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:37:06 -0700, "d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast.2net>
> wrote
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> ---
> Joan

i'll bet you do!ROTFLMAO!  he may just need a gyn when kitty gets through
with him, i bet.<giggling>
kate
Joan Carter - 27 Sep 2004 18:54 GMT
On 27 Sep 2004 12:04:22 GMT, ironjustice@aol.comdoe (doe) wrote in
alt.support.arthritis: blathered on uselessly, as is his custom.

>Porphyria cutanea tarda with menopausal exacerbation: the possible role of
>menstruation as natural phlebotomy.

Go away, Tom, it is obvious this is not a week where you have the use of your
family's brain cell.

---
Joan
Kitty Kelly - 28 Sep 2004 08:22 GMT

~~~Go away, Tom, it is obvious this is not a week where you have the use
of your family's brain cell.
---
Joan~~~~

...hehehehe....  
Paul T. Holland - 27 Sep 2004 23:41 GMT
of course this is just one more example of you undercutting your basic thesis of
iron 'causing' problems:

"Porphyria cutanea tarda (PCT) is due to a defective enzyme in the liver
(uroporphyrinogen decarboxylase). This is found in the liver and is involved in
synthesis of the red pigment in blood cells (haem)."

"There is a genetic predisposition to PCT."

now, since the 'condition' exists, part of the 'treatment' protocol would be:

Complete blood count to assess haemoglobin levels.
    Measurement of iron stores, which may be increased in over 30% of patients.
    Liver enzymes because the liver sometimes does not function normally.
    Fasting blood sugar because of the increased incidence of diabetes.
    Antinuclear antibodies because of the increased incidence of lupus
erythematosus.

therefore tom, this is 'not' the 'fault' of  excess iron, now is it?

oh! and just so you know? here is some more of the long standing treatment options
for this well known condition:

Avoid alcohol, oestrogen, and iron.
If using pesticides, be very careful to avoid contact with polychlorinated aromatic
hydrocarbons (eg. 2,4,5T).
    Apply an opaque sun-block and cover up when outside; the responsible light is
the "Soret" band at 400 nm which is
    unfortunately not blocked by most sunscreens.
    Use tanning cream containing dihydroxyacetone: this can block the responsible
light to some extent.
    Phlebotomy (removal of blood) - up to 500 ml blood is removed every one to two
weeks until the haemoglobin and iron
    levels drop to low normal levels. It may take 3 - 6 months to improve.
Venesection may need to be repeated after a year
    or more.
    Antimalarial tablets i.e low-dose chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine may be
recommended, but must be used cautiously.
    This medication makes the porphyrins more soluble so more are excreted in the
urine.
    Autologous red cell transfusion (this is a blood transfusion using the
patient's own red cells that have been washed to
    remove plasma thereby reducing the circulating porphyrins).

notice how it's not the iron 'causing' the actual condition, just a side effect?

always glad to point these things out for you...

paul

> J Am Acad Dermatol. 2003 Sep;49(3):547-50.  Related Articles, Links
>
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> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking
doe - 28 Sep 2004 07:53 GMT
>Subject: Re: Rationale for menses / natural bloodletting
>From: "Paul T. Holland" pholland@bellatlantic.net
>Date: 9/27/2004 4:41 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <415896C7.B2909952@bellatlantic.net>

shite from a pussy .. snipped ..

See the authors .. ?

Write to the authors ..

Tell the authors ..

They most likely will be happy  to hear from you ..

They WILL be very happy to hear from you ..

I am quite .. sure .. they will be .. happy ..

Heh .. heh ..

M-A-R-O-O-N

J Am Acad Dermatol. 2003 Sep;49(3):547-50.  Related Articles, Links  

 
Porphyria cutanea tarda with menopausal exacerbation: the possible role of
menstruation as natural phlebotomy.

Nishioka E, Funasaka Y, Bito T, Ito A, Tani M, Kawara A, Yoon S, Kondo M,
Ichihashi M.

Department of Dermatology, Kobe University School of Medicine, Japan.

We describe a 48-year-old woman with a 12-year history of porphyria cutanea
tarda who showed a remarkable exacerbation of her eruptions accompanied by high
serum levels of iron and ferritin at menopause. As iron storage is known to be
a triggering factor of porphyria cutanea tarda, the possible role of
menstruation as natural phlebotomy to prevent porphyria cutanea tarda
exacerbation is discussed.

Publication Types:
Case Reports

PMID: 12963930 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Mike-UK - 28 Sep 2004 09:47 GMT
> >Subject: Re: Rationale for menses / natural bloodletting
> >From: "Paul T. Holland" pholland@bellatlantic.net
> >Date: 9/27/2004 4:41 PM Mountain Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <415896C7.B2909952@bellatlantic.net>
>
> shite from a pussy .. snipped ..

Hi Spanky! So THIS is where you run to when AMF are laughing
at you again is it?

Hi folks! Just surfing and found Timmy playing in your back
yard.

http://www.mikeswebsite.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/amfFAQ.html#trolls

...might be fun to read. Enjoy. ;)

P.S. Hi Joan!

P.S.2 Hi Paul!

P.S.3 Hi Rosie!

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Kitty Kelly - 28 Sep 2004 10:35 GMT
A flaming idiot wrote:

~~~shite from a pussy .. snipped ..~~~

Crikeys!  How can you f.ck up a four letter word? Phonetics, dude!  BTW,
we didn't realize you were a DVM.  How much do you charge to neuter
those cats?

~~~See the authors ...~~~

You mean the one's with no MD's, Phd's, BS's or even a GLJS after their
names?  The one's that won't even use their last name's?  Those authors?

~~~Write to the authors .~~~

You're the one that admires their work.  

~~~Tell  the authors ..~~~

It's either OCD or tunnel vision!  

~~~~They most likely will be happy to hear from you ..~~~

Of course they will!  We all love to hear from Paul!

~~~They WILL be very happy to hear from you ..~~~

We're getting veeery sleepyyyy

~~~~I am quite .. sure .. they will be .. happy ..~~~~

YIKES!!!    

~~~Heh .. heh ..
M-A-R-O-O-N~~~

Another example of what happens when a mental health facility opens an
internet account!

-bg-

Kitty
Harvey R. Stone - 28 Sep 2004 15:08 GMT
> >Subject: Re: Rationale for menses / natural bloodletting
>>From: "Paul T. Holland" pholland@bellatlantic.net
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> M-A-R-O-O-N

What makes people want to look inside a troubled mind?   The above should
tell a person a few things.    Even the best of information will not make
this person realize that he is passing on incorrect information.   I have an
idea how much Paul puts into posting and thank him for it but it will not
change the process or cure the mind.
Harv
Joan Carter - 28 Sep 2004 16:09 GMT
>shite from a pussy .. snipped ..
>
>See the authors .. ?
>
>Write to the authors ..

rest of garbage snipped.

You are seeing this message because Tom Hennessy aka
ironjustice@aol.com has posted a message in
alt.support.arthritis.If you are new to this
group then please take what he says with a large package of salt.

Sometimes Tommy stops to engage in learned
repartee with newsgroup participants:

http://tinyurl.com/2cflq

Seriously, Tommy believes he is some great
researcher who has won a Nobel Prize.  In fact,
he copies material from the web and pastes it to
usenet, calling this his research.  

You have been warned.

---
Joan
doe - 28 Sep 2004 20:07 GMT
>Subject: Re: Rationale for menses / natural bloodletting
>From: Joan Carter spamout@softhome.net
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>rest of garbage snipped.

I tell you what .. cow .. KEEP .. snipping my posts ..

MY .. posts .. purposely ..

Heh .. heh ..

Just like your fat stupid bald lying old man ..

Useless ..

How's .. that .. feel ..

J Am Acad Dermatol. 2003 Sep;49(3):547-50.  Related Articles, Links  

 
Porphyria cutanea tarda with menopausal exacerbation: the possible role of
menstruation as natural phlebotomy.

Nishioka E, Funasaka Y, Bito T, Ito A, Tani M, Kawara A, Yoon S, Kondo M,
Ichihashi M.

Department of Dermatology, Kobe University School of Medicine, Japan.

We describe a 48-year-old woman with a 12-year history of porphyria cutanea
tarda who showed a remarkable exacerbation of her eruptions accompanied by high
serum levels of iron and ferritin at menopause. As iron storage is known to be
a triggering factor of porphyria cutanea tarda, the possible role of
menstruation as natural phlebotomy to prevent porphyria cutanea tarda
exacerbation is discussed.

Publication Types:
Case Reports

PMID: 12963930 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Joan Carter - 28 Sep 2004 21:28 GMT
>I tell you what .. cow .. KEEP .. snipping my posts ..
>
>MY .. posts .. purposely ..

Gee, Tom Turd. Do you want me to flip my udder at you again?

By the way, posting the entire post again is a waste of space and your posts are
soooooooo boring.
---
Joan
spodosaurus - 29 Sep 2004 10:32 GMT
>>I tell you what .. cow .. KEEP .. snipping my posts ..
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> ---
> Joan

I see that...Tommy is still talking....like the captain of the...
Enterprise...William Shatner will be...upset...

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Kitty Kelly - 29 Sep 2004 11:35 GMT
Joan Carter wrote:

~~~Gee, Tom Turd. Do you want me to flip my udder at you again?~~~

spodosaurus wrote -

~~~I see that...Tommy is still talking....like the captain of the...
Enterprise...William Shatner will be...upset...~~~


LMAO!!!   Those are two of the funniest lines I've ever seen here!

He won't play with me so I'll let you two have this one - enjoy!

-vbg-

Kitty
Paul T. Holland - 30 Sep 2004 00:18 GMT
lol let's see what's what...

> >Subject: Re: Rationale for menses / natural bloodletting
> >From: "Paul T. Holland" pholland@bellatlantic.net
> >Date: 9/27/2004 4:41 PM Mountain Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <415896C7.B2909952@bellatlantic.net>
>
> shite from a pussy .. snipped ..

both true and false: both of the pussys - sebastion and gracie are agnostic, not
shite; and yes they have been fixed...

> See the authors .. ?

no, they must be hiding so as not to be associated with your silliness

> Write to the authors ..

to warn them about you?

> Tell the authors ..

how you appropriate their work?

> They most likely will be happy  to hear from you ..

if history is any way to judge...

> they WILL be very happy to hear from you ..

and it's always nice to make people happy!

> I am quite .. sure .. they will be .. happy ..

why how nice for you!

> Heh .. heh ..

wipe your chin...

> M-A-R-O-O-N

i actually prefer heather

alternative definition:

let me out -  wee oop, wee oop
Kitty Kelly - 28 Sep 2004 00:14 GMT
Dude -

Eurekalert publishes ALL news releases they're asked to, not just
credible ones.  

-g-

Kitty
d'huit - 28 Sep 2004 02:43 GMT
> Dude -
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Kitty

damnnnnnn.  was that a knockout punch in the first round or what?
kate
 
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