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Kelly Cobb - 21 Sep 2004 00:56 GMT
My lovely little daughter Rachel, 9 1/2 years old ("almost 10, Mom"),
has a few chores to do around the house. For these limited efforts she
receives a grand total of $5/wk. If she doesn't do all of her chores,
she doesn't earn all of her money.

Lately she has not wanted to do anything at all. Brett emptied and
reloaded the dishwasher a couple of times last week, as did I. Last
night I handed Brett $5 in front of Rachel and thanked him for his
efforts this week in helping keep the house tidy. Rachel did not take it
well and then popped off, saying "that's okay, I have plenty of money in
my room...I don't need to do chores".

I asked Brett to go straight into her room and retrieve every penny
therein. He did. Today I marched Rachel down to the bank and opened her
first ever savings account. I was stunned to find that the little imp
had over $400 stashed in that room!:oO  Most of it came from the many
sets of grandparents and the fact that she has to buy very little of her
own stuff. That's about to change. From now on, all unnecessary
purchases will be made with her own money. I'm slow catching on
sometimes, but have an ironclad resolve to teach this kid about the
importance of budgeting.

Rachel has found new incentive to do her chores.

Kelly C.;o)
Gwen Love - 21 Sep 2004 02:47 GMT
You are one smart mama!
Gwen

> My lovely little daughter Rachel, 9 1/2 years old ("almost 10, Mom"),
> has a few chores to do around the house. For these limited efforts she
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> Kelly C.;o)
Kelly Cobb - 21 Sep 2004 14:25 GMT
> You are one smart mama!
> Gwen

Some days I wonder...thanks, Gwen.

Kelly C.;o)
Mary Z - 21 Sep 2004 05:06 GMT
> From now on, all unnecessary
>purchases will be made with her own money. I'm slow catching on
>sometimes, but have an ironclad resolve to teach this kid about the
>importance of budgeting.

Uh oh she goofed up that time, but I think she will learn a good
lesson, and some responsibility.  Ah the joys of being a parent. -- MZ

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Kelly Cobb - 21 Sep 2004 14:27 GMT
> Uh oh she goofed up that time, but I think she will learn a good
> lesson, and some responsibility.  Ah the joys of being a parent. -- MZ

Trust me, it's a lesson she needs right now. Life has been very easy as
an only child for Rach. The next few weeks will be the turning point, I
think.

Kelly C.;o)
d'huit - 21 Sep 2004 05:22 GMT
well, we can sure see where rachel gets her intelligence.<giggling>  at the
rate she was saving money, she'd have made "the donald" look like a pauper
by the time she was 30.LOL  now, she's going to learn the rest of what money
management means.  smart move, mom.

kate

> My lovely little daughter Rachel, 9 1/2 years old ("almost 10, Mom"), has
> a few chores to do around the house. For these limited efforts she
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> Kelly C.;o)
Kelly Cobb - 21 Sep 2004 14:30 GMT
> well, we can sure see where rachel gets her intelligence.<giggling>  at the
> rate she was saving money, she'd have made "the donald" look like a pauper
> by the time she was 30.LOL  now, she's going to learn the rest of what money
> management means.  smart move, mom.
>
> kate

Isn't it sick that I didn't even know how much money was in there?lol  I
looked at Brett and asked where it all came from. Being Brett, he said
"her desk, mostly". I think she still has every dollar ever given to her
by anybody.

I guess we just didn't feel that she was ready to be responsible for any
of her own purchases until now. Clothing that she needs is still on us,
of course. She's not much into name brands, yet so that's good, but it's
coming soon.:o(

Kelly C.;o)
Gwen Love - 21 Sep 2004 19:16 GMT
Kelly, my kids never went on the name brand bandwagon.  It was surprising
because they had two first cousins that always wore name brands.
Not surprisingly, their kids don't wear many name brands either.
Gwen

> > well, we can sure see where rachel gets her intelligence.<giggling>  at the
> > rate she was saving money, she'd have made "the donald" look like a pauper
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> Kelly C.;o)
donnah - 21 Sep 2004 23:28 GMT
Gwen, my kids were also like that--they wore what looked good on them
no matter where it was bought.
donnah

> Kelly, my kids never went on the name brand bandwagon.  It was surprising
> because they had two first cousins that always wore name brands.
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> > Kelly C.;o)
d'huit - 21 Sep 2004 20:43 GMT
alex was rarely into labels or the fads either.

when alex was either in kindergarten or first grade, he wanted, REALLY
wanted, a color tv, all his own, in his room.  we knew we could just buy it
for him, but decided to make it a teaching opportunity and said ok, but he
would have to pay for half of it.   it was something like $125.  that
puzzled him, because he obviously didn't have that kind of money.  he did
have a small savings account at an S&L for the 10% of his allowance each
week, we helped him set up when we first began giving him an allowance.
but, we told him he couldn't use his savings for that particular "i want"
this time.

so, we told him we'd set him up with a "credit account", just like butch and
i had to sometimes pay for things.  told him what was involved and mapped
out how we would do it.  went shopping for the tv, purchased it.  then put
his payment schedule/balance-owed sheet up on the frig so that he could keep
track and see how he was doing in paying it off.

he could get paid for "odd" jobs and could put that money and/or his
allowance for his regular chores towards paying off the tv balance.  we let
him decide how he was going to make the payments.  the first week, it was
his allowance money he applied to the balance (less his 10% savings and 10%
giving money, kept in a coffee can--which, at christmastime, went towards
buying toys for less fortunate children).  after that first week he realized
that left him with very little allowance money in his pocket.  so, he
decided to go with odd jobs.  we allowed him to make his decisions.

it was so cute and sweet to watch his mind work.  he'd notice everything and
anything "extra" that he could do around here to earn money.  and with us on
3 acres, with critters inside and outside, there were lots of things he
recognized he could do.  he'd enter into negotiations with us about "how
much for this job or that job" and he would apply all of his odd-job money
(less the savings and giving money) towards paying off the balance.

about a quarter of the way through paying off the balance, he decided it
wasn't getting paid off fast enough.  he became a veritable work-aholic to
get out of debt.LOL (at first, i worried about it, worried about him
possibly being stressed out and butch told me to just let alex have the
reins)

i don't think i'd ever seen alex so proud of himself before then, as on the
day the balance-owed for that tv was zero (waaay ahead of what we expected).
that was when alex told me he hated being in debt, hated seeing the
balance-owed sheet on the frig reminding him that he was and that he was
relieved it was paid off.  and the odd-job seeking/negotiations/work-aholic
came to an immediate end.LOL

kate

>> well, we can sure see where rachel gets her intelligence.<giggling>  at
>> the rate she was saving money, she'd have made "the donald" look like a
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> Kelly C.;o)
Gary Z - 21 Sep 2004 20:59 GMT
Very cool Kate, I saved this and will try it.
Z

> alex was rarely into labels or the fads either.
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DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 21 Sep 2004 22:28 GMT
Wish you'd been there to advise me when my kids were growing up.  Hind sight
is 20/20.

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Kelly Cobb - 22 Sep 2004 01:31 GMT
That's a great story, Kate! I'll have to keep those tips in mind. Rachel
isn't allowed to have a TV, telephone or computer in her room yet, so it's
not really an issue, but other things will soon be coming up and I may use
your ideas. I'll take all the help I can get.

Kelly C.;o)

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d'huit - 22 Sep 2004 08:20 GMT
i'm really surprised that you guys reacted to alex's experience and our
adventure in parenthood this way.  i just thought our family anecdote was
good for a giggle.  hey, if it sounds like it might fit you guys, too, go
ahead and try it on.<smile>

kate

> That's a great story, Kate! I'll have to keep those tips in mind. Rachel
> isn't allowed to have a TV, telephone or computer in her room yet, so it's
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Caroline Marold - 21 Sep 2004 05:58 GMT
Kids are good aren't they. rofl   Been there and done
much the same thing you did. Jen was an only with two
sets of grand parents who had no other grandchildren.
She is not spoiled but it does take work to make sure
that it does not happen. Good for you and Brett.
You have just entered the hardest years now. That cute
little almost 10 mom is moving toward puberty and with
it comes 'the mouth'. You have my sympathy. ;)
When Jen met her now husband, she was 16. He was coming
to the house for the first time and she announced that
she was going out and he wasn't coming in. No -- he
will come in to meet me, I say. Funny -- suddenly I was
ruining her life. We were the only parents that were so
backward. We were hateful. We were hated. I HATE YOU.  sigh
This too shall pass.
Duckie

> My lovely little daughter Rachel, 9 1/2 years old ("almost 10, Mom"),
> has a few chores to do around the house. For these limited efforts she
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> Kelly C.;o)

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Kelly Cobb - 21 Sep 2004 14:32 GMT
> Kids are good aren't they. rofl   Been there and done much the same
> thing you did. Jen was an only with two sets of grand parents who had no
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> This too shall pass.
> Duckie

Yeah, we're gonna be in the same boat. I can see the writing on the
wall. Rachel has had the mouth for about a year now and I'm ready to put
soap in it or something.lol

Thanks...now I'm depressed....just kidding.
Kelly C.;o)
Adelle D. Stavis, Esq. - 21 Sep 2004 18:15 GMT
> > Kids are good aren't they. rofl   Been there and done much the same
> > thing you did. Jen was an only with two sets of grand parents who had no
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> Thanks...now I'm depressed....just kidding.

But it comes in waves, so you don't get only bad all the time. Becca is at a
phase where it's mixed. It's worst when she is PMS-ing (yeah, at 12), then
gets better. It's really only about 25% mouthy or moody and 75% reasonable.
But alot of theat 25% is clustered.

We have one small advantage re: our house rules; we are not the strictest of
her friends. Becca has one friend whose Mom must have an anxiety disorder
because this kid isn't allowed to do much of anything. Poor thing spends
most of her time on the computer emailing her friends. Even arranging for
her to come over usually means I have to drive her both ways because Mom is
too nervous to drive after dark, or in areas she doesn't know well. Another
friend gets gets a mix of way overboard leniency for somethings, but then is
grounded for long times for minor infractions.

After she's calm, we can always remind Rebecca that we are trying to be
reasonable and age appropriate. She may not get to do all the things some
other friends do, but she certainly gets to do more than those two friends.
It helps all of us to maintain perspective.

Adelle
jb - 22 Sep 2004 18:14 GMT
BTDT also
janice

| Kids are good aren't they. rofl   Been there and done
| much the same thing you did. Jen was an only with two
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| > Kelly C.;o)
Char - 21 Sep 2004 10:39 GMT
>I was stunned to find that the little imp
>had over $400 stashed in that room!

That little stinker!!  Ask her if I can have a loan! lol
Char

"Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green
Kelly Cobb - 21 Sep 2004 14:36 GMT
>>I was stunned to find that the little imp
>>had over $400 stashed in that room!
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> "Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green

She'd probably just give it to you...that's why it's in the bank. What
she doesn't yet realize is that she will have to help pay for her first
car. Do you know that's less than 7 years away? Gack!! Where'd my baby
go? Now I have this mouthy, pre-pubescent person living here. I used to
have a soft, fuzzy-headed, bright-eyed person who like it when I blew on
her belly.

The grown-up Rach better be funner than this one or I'm getting a refund.lol

Kelly C.;o)
Char - 21 Sep 2004 20:29 GMT
>The grown-up Rach better be funner than this one or I'm getting a refund.lol

ROFL  She will be.  She has good genes. And a good up bringing.

It doesnt help, that you have had to baby her more while you have gotten this
seizure disorder under control.

But she really WILL turn out ok.  I have great confidence in you and Brett.
Char

"Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green
Kelly Cobb - 22 Sep 2004 01:29 GMT
Thanks for the vote confidence, some days I really need it.

Kelly C.;o)

> ROFL  She will be.  She has good genes. And a good up bringing.
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> "Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green
d'huit - 21 Sep 2004 21:23 GMT
>>>I was stunned to find that the little imp had over $400 stashed in that
>>>room!
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> Kelly C.;o)

not to worry, kelly.  you won't need a refund.  i'm convinced that their
basic personalities are pretty much set before they enter school.   i
sometimes really think they are born with their personalities and that those
personalities are what is truly permanent.

i remember many a day believing (and even getting a little weepy) that i
sent my loving, generous, sensitive, clever, funny, playful and sweet child
to school, only to have somebody else's kid too often arrive here on the
school bus for 13 years.  alex is 27 now, and the basic personality of the
little boy i sent off to school is back or still evident.

however, my baby-fat-neck-nibbling, breathing-in his baby-essence and
belly-zerbert days had been over for awhile before he got on the school bus.
i used to really miss chasing alex around the house, him giggling, while
giving him a haircut---a snip in the kitchen, snip in the livingroom and so
on.  now, i have a cat, jeepies, who makes me brush him that way (no,
jeepies doesn't hide from the brush--it's a game).LOL

kate
dadand1 - 21 Sep 2004 12:53 GMT
Sounds like she budgeted so well she could take a vacation! lol
My 13 yr old can't get it out of his pocket fast enough. Sort of the reverse
problem.
Z

> My lovely little daughter Rachel, 9 1/2 years old ("almost 10, Mom"),
> has a few chores to do around the house. For these limited efforts she
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> Kelly C.;o)
Kelly Cobb - 21 Sep 2004 14:24 GMT
> Sounds like she budgeted so well she could take a vacation! lol
> My 13 yr old can't get it out of his pocket fast enough. Sort of the reverse
> problem.
> Z

Well, I can see the writing on the wall, Gary. When she realizes that we
will buy the essentials, but not the extravagant extras, she'll be
begging me to take her money out of the bank, or lining up for extra
chores to earn money.

Kelly C.;o)
donnah - 21 Sep 2004 23:26 GMT
oh, Kelly, that brought memories of when my kids were small--and made
me so grateful they are grown! <g>
donnah

> My lovely little daughter Rachel, 9 1/2 years old ("almost 10, Mom"),
> has a few chores to do around the house. For these limited efforts she
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> Kelly C.;o)
melodymom - 22 Sep 2004 01:57 GMT
Way to go, Mom!  ;)

luv&stuff,
Denise

> My lovely little daughter Rachel, 9 1/2 years old ("almost 10, Mom"),
> has a few chores to do around the house. For these limited efforts she
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> Kelly C.;o)
Squirrely - 24 Sep 2004 09:23 GMT
Kelly,

thinking of you while you got a growing teen in the house.

I was so ticked at Chris once because of money too. He took a check from an
Aunt for us getting her a puter. He was not suppose to take that money. We
were giving the puter to her to help her out. she has a ill daughter.
He took the check and put it in the bank. I was never so furious with him as
then.

YOu are doing good with Rachel I can tell. ;-)

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Love and hugs to all
Good thoughts coming your way too.

Squirrely Jo

> My lovely little daughter Rachel, 9 1/2 years old ("almost 10, Mom"),
> has a few chores to do around the house. For these limited efforts she
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> Kelly C.;o)
 
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