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Squirrely - 16 Sep 2004 10:42 GMT
I beleive from the reaction I have had tonight, that I am now allergic to
choc. chip cookies. I can't believe this.

This is what I am doing up so late. Can't breathe, no not lungs, but nasal
passages are swollen shut, right ear feels like someone put a rock in it and
can't hear out of it. Eyes are puffy, and tearing. All after eating those
darn cookies. Blurry vision too. I thought at first it was a blood sugar
reaction. Then it progressed. NOt the kind of thing to be eating with a
stomach flu/virus either but they said to eat because of the diabetic
thingy. Blood sugars have been jumping around like mad. But most of them are
low low low. Having hypoglycemia attacks.

Also can't sleep tonight either becuase of the muscle in my right calf. My
fault of course. Sitting out on the garden cart thingy. Talking with Jim and
picking up a few weeds here and there and seeds too. Just from that little
tiny bit I did, paying the price. I know better to move that cart while I am
sitting on it. But it gets me every time.

Oh well such is life and one of these days I will learn.

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Kimmy - 16 Sep 2004 12:04 GMT
>I beleive from the reaction I have had tonight, that I am now allergic to
>choc. chip cookies. I can't believe this.

>Squirrely Jo

Ack! Allergic to chocolate chip cookies?!?! You poor girl! This is horrible.
Maybe it's just "part" of the cookies. Did the cookies have nuts in them Jo?
Any weird ingredients?

Life without 'em is just sad. Hope it's just something freaky and you're able
to eat them again soon.

Hugs,

Kimmy

If you think no one cares you're alive, try missing a couple car payments...
Sonatabv - 16 Sep 2004 14:17 GMT
(((((squirrly jo)))))

love,

Vickie B.
Squirrely - 16 Sep 2004 20:14 GMT
I am hoping it is just that brand of choc. chip cookies. Hubby got a
different brand now.

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> >I beleive from the reaction I have had tonight, that I am now allergic to
> >choc. chip cookies. I can't believe this.
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>
> If you think no one cares you're alive, try missing a couple car payments...
debbie m. - 16 Sep 2004 14:31 GMT
(((((((((((JO)))))))))))))))

I keep saying I will learn too, but haven't yet.  LOL  It's too tempting to
do little things that we enjoy and don't think will hurt us.

debbie m.
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> I beleive from the reaction I have had tonight, that I am now allergic to
> choc. chip cookies. I can't believe this.
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>
> Squirrely Jo
firechief - 16 Sep 2004 15:22 GMT
> I beleive from the reaction I have had tonight, that I am
> now allergic to choc. chip cookies. I can't believe this.

Were they double-double?   <g>

I've heard that life is unfair, but that is carrying it too far.

What else can go wrong in this world when a person is
allergic to chocolate chip cookies?
Squirrely - 17 Sep 2004 09:05 GMT
Yes as a matter of fact, they are double chunky choc. New brand Jim has been
buying. I sneak a few here and there. that is how I found out I have a
problem with them.

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> > I beleive from the reaction I have had tonight, that I am
> > now allergic to choc. chip cookies. I can't believe this.
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>  What else can go wrong in this world when a person is
>  allergic to chocolate chip cookies?
SmokieDarling - 16 Sep 2004 15:47 GMT
> I beleive from the reaction I have had tonight, that I am now allergic to
> choc. chip cookies. I can't believe this.
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>
> Oh well such is life and one of these days I will learn.

Were there nuts of any kind in the cookies?  My mom used to have the
same reaction until I stopped putting the Walnuts in the baking mix,
then the reaction stopped (she later asked that I just stop putting in
the chocolate chips too, but that's another story).

Just a theory (no one should have to go without Choco chip cookies).
Daughter has hypoglycemia, she eats 6 small meals a day because of it,
but pretty much anything she wants (the snot), peanut butter helps
her, but if you're allergic to nuts (I know peanuts aren't really
*nuts*)...

I'm not much help, sorry...  sympathy for you.

Smokie Darling (Annie)
Squirrely - 17 Sep 2004 09:04 GMT
No nuts. I can't really eat nuts anyways. Not an allergic just messes with
me.

I eat 6 small meals too. But I have an infection and it is messing with my
blood sugars. Once again I am weird. The nurse tells me it should be making
my blood sugars go up but instead they are bottoming out.

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> > I beleive from the reaction I have had tonight, that I am now allergic to
> > choc. chip cookies. I can't believe this.
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>
> Smokie Darling (Annie)
SmokieDarling - 17 Sep 2004 17:50 GMT
> No nuts. I can't really eat nuts anyways. Not an allergic just messes with
> me.
>
> I eat 6 small meals too. But I have an infection and it is messing with my
> blood sugars. Once again I am weird. The nurse tells me it should be making
> my blood sugars go up but instead they are bottoming out.

You aren't weird (well, not that I've seen anyway - <G>).  My motto
has always been "WHY BE NORMAL"?  My dad is diabetic and his blood
sugars bottoms out when he is sick too, so...  If'n y'all is like my
pappy, then that's a good thing!

Smokie Darling (Annie)--hadn't noticed you nearly so opinionated as he
is though

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Squirrely - 18 Sep 2004 09:34 GMT
Well that all depends on what the subject is as to if I am opinionated or
not. ;-)

I never have been normal and don't think I will be now either. ;-)

always have had weird stuff happen instead of normal reactions etc. I guess
I just like being different too much. LOL

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> You aren't weird (well, not that I've seen anyway - <G>).  My motto
> has always been "WHY BE NORMAL"?  My dad is diabetic and his blood
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> Smokie Darling (Annie)--hadn't noticed you nearly so opinionated as he
> is though
DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 16 Sep 2004 15:58 GMT
Now that's just unfair.  Not choc chip cookies!  {{{{{{{Squirrely Jo}}}}}}}

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> I beleive from the reaction I have had tonight, that I am now allergic to
> choc. chip cookies. I can't believe this.
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>
> Oh well such is life and one of these days I will learn.
Alex Barna - 16 Sep 2004 16:45 GMT
Hi Daughter,

> I beleive from the reaction I have had tonight, that I am now allergic to
> choc. chip cookies. I can't believe this.

I can & you should know better. :(

> This is what I am doing up so late. Can't breathe, no not lungs, but nasal
> passages are swollen shut, right ear feels like someone put a rock in it and
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> thingy. Blood sugars have been jumping around like mad. But most of them are
> low low low. Having hypoglycemia attacks.

A person with hypoglycemia should **Not** eat *anything* that contains
*processed* sugar, starches or white flour. Read through the links at:
http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/

<snip>

> Oh well such is life and one of these days I will learn.

You need to learn how to take care of yourself because the doctors don't seem to
be able to.

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> Good thoughts coming your way too.
>
> Squirrely Jo

Sending Good Thoughts,
{{{{{Jo}}}}}

GramPaHugs,
Alex,

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Squirrely - 17 Sep 2004 09:02 GMT
Yes, Dad, I know.

But if I don't eat what I can eat, then I will starve.
I can't eat any veggies, fruits, certain meats, am down to turkey  and
chicken only. Suspect I am having a fish allergy too now. So only eat it
about once a month now. No juices, half the time no milk, I do cheat on that
one sometimes.
So there is not alot out there that I can eat. Just the turkey and chicken,
bread, pasta, tomato sauce (only at times though becuase that one is
starting to mess with stomach too), no fats, no greasy stuff, no oily stuff.
When I eat chicken noodle soup. I can't have the broth, it kills my stomach.
It is not choice, I want the other stuff to eat but can't eat it. I would
kill for a salad, or some canteloupe, or peaches, or bananas. It is not that
I don't like the stuff, it don't like me.

I am trying the best I can with this stuff.

I know the drs are not taking care of me. But what can a person do that her
body rebells against everything.

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Harvey R. Stone - 17 Sep 2004 13:37 GMT
> I am trying the best I can with this stuff.
>
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>
> Squirrely Jo

You do just like you do.  The best you can.  There are people that their
body rejects nearly everything taken or eaten.   It can be a physical thing
with a persons immune system and it can also be the games we play within our
own mind.
   In both cases, it takes the best of help and a person that really wants
to control what is taking place.   You are doing the best you can to
understand and get better and that is all any of us can do.
Harv
Squirrely - 18 Sep 2004 09:31 GMT
Harv,

thanks for those thoughts. I am really trying to do the best I can. I think
mine is my immune system. It sure seems to have gone on the brink for along
time now.

I said years ago, that I was allergic to life and probably needed to be put
in a bubble. Time is showing that to be almost true.

Shoot, tonight, I am having allergy problems from my puter. I thought it was
because this one smells like something is burning. But I took notice also
that when I use the one in the bedroom I get same symptoms too. But it could
be all the results of the day too. I think the cookie thing might have been
a mistake. I hope.

The nurse that saw me today for treatment, said she was up last night with
her daughter having same problems as me. She said it was because of the fire
that has been burning, the dust storm and the almond harvesting going on. So
maybe because it started after I ate the cookies, maybe it wasn't really the
cookies after all. Maybe it is just really bad allergies that hit at night.
Don't know.

Thanks again Harv, it does mean alot to me.

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> > I am trying the best I can with this stuff.
> >
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> understand and get better and that is all any of us can do.
> Harv
jb - 17 Sep 2004 18:17 GMT
thats terrible to not be able to eat anything. i thought I had it bad with
having sugar, but I can eat veggies and most anything without sugar.
thinking  of you!!!
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Squirrely - 18 Sep 2004 09:36 GMT
Well it is not everything that I can't eat. Just alot of the good stuff. ;-)

Yeah alot of the problems come from the IBS and then tummy stuff that we are
not sure what is going on yet. Still checking. ;-)

I still say because of the oily, greasy, fatty stuff it is my gall bladder
and they keep saying no it looks fine.

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> thats terrible to not be able to eat anything. i thought I had it bad with
> having sugar, but I can eat veggies and most anything without sugar.
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> her
> | body rebells against everything.
Alex Barna - 18 Sep 2004 02:20 GMT
Hi Daughter,

> Yes, Dad, I know.
>
> But if I don't eat what I can eat, then I will starve.

No you won't. People in this century eat way more than is needed to survive. You
just need to eat small quantities of what you can eat many times a day.

> I can't eat any veggies, fruits, certain meats, am down to turkey  and
> chicken only.

Is that organically grown veggies, fruits & meats?  If not do you wash the
veggies & fruits thoroughly?

> Suspect I am having a fish allergy too now.  So only eat it about once a
> month now.

You're probably sensitive to the high level of chemicals (mercury) that is in
most fish now. We get Polar Tuna for the cats & I do sushi while I'm feeding
them. ^_^ If they won't eat something I won't eat it. ^_^

> No juices, half the time no milk, I do cheat on that one sometimes.

Most fruit juices are just corn sweetener with a little fruit any way. I just
drink double filtered water with a swish of lemon juice for flavor. You need to
find a dairy that doesn't kill the milk when they pasteurize it. I drink 16 oz
of whole milk & eat 4 oz cottage cheese  & 8 oz of yogurt a day.

> So there is not alot out there that I can eat. Just the turkey and chicken,
> bread, pasta,

For breakfast I eat one slice of buttered whole grain bread (made with honey)
& 4 oz of yogurt.

Lunch is 2 oz of brown rice with 2 oz of ground turkey (made like a meat loaf).
16 oz milk warmed, with 1 tbs. instant coffee & 1 tbs. local honey.

Supper is 2 oz turkey, 2 oz of veggies, 2 oz cottage cheese with 2 oz canned
peaches or pears in fruit juice & a 16 oz cup of tea.

> tomato sauce (only at times though because that one is
> starting to mess with stomach too), no fats, no greasy stuff, no oily stuff.
> When I eat chicken noodle soup. I can't have the broth, it kills my stomach.

That sounds like Gall bladder problems in addition to MCS.

> It is not choice, I want the other stuff to eat but can't eat it. I would
> kill for a salad, or some canteloupe, or peaches, or bananas. It is not that
> I don't like the stuff, it don't like me.

After 26 years of not being able to eat most 'normal' foods I've gotten used to
living on what I can eat & only eating small quantities at a time. Sarah did
find a whole grain vegie pizza I can eat. ^_^

> I am trying the best I can with this stuff.
>
> I know the drs are not taking care of me. But what can a person do that her
> body rebells against everything.

Figure out why! Shop for organically grown foods & figure out what you can eat.
Learn self control & what your body will allow you to do.

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> Good thoughts coming your way too.
>
> Squirrely Jo


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Squirrely - 19 Sep 2004 09:29 GMT
I will starve if if I can't eat anything. If I go off the other stuff that
you said, I won't have anything to eat.

I do eat 6 small meals. It was the infection that made my blood sugars go
haywire from what the drs and nurses are saying. But they did expect them to
go high instead of low.

I wish I could eat yogurt all the time, but of course I can't. I have to
watch stuff because of my milk intolerance too.

Yes I did wash the veggies and fruits when I could eat them. But stomach and
bowels will not tolerate them at all now.

I still think it is gall bladder too but they say no my gall bladder looks
healthy.

I also know alot of my allergy problems are MCS but have not been diagnosed
with it. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that I am allergic to
so many chemicals, that it makes sense.

Oh by the way Dad, when I do use choc chips for the blood sugar thing. It is
because they tell me to use orange juice. I can't drink orange juice now for
24 yrs. It started when I was pregnant with the boys and has continued on
since. ;-)

They tell you when the blood sugars drop below 70 to eat something with
sugar and then within a half hour to follow it with protein. So that is what
I do. I don't eat alot of choc. chips. I have a three ounce dixie cup and
Jim gets me about a row on the bottom of it. It is enough to start bringing
up my blood sugars again.

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>
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>
> Is that organically grown veggies, fruits & meats?  If not do you wash the

> veggies & fruits thoroughly?
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Alex Barna - 20 Sep 2004 18:30 GMT
Hi Daughter,

> I will starve if if I can't eat anything. If I go off the other stuff that
> you said, I won't have anything to eat.

Then *you* need to figure out what you can eat. Keep a journal of what causes
problems & what doesn't. List any added ingredients in foods that bother you.

Find an organic farmer in your area & try chemical free versions of the things
that caused problems (small portions) & if they don't cause problems you know it
is the additives causing the problem.

> I do eat 6 small meals. It was the infection that made my blood sugars go
> haywire from what the drs and nurses are saying. But they did expect them to
> go high instead of low.

That is because the best they can do is make an educated guess based on the way
the 'average' person usually reacts to something.

> I wish I could eat yogurt all the time, but of course I can't. I have to
> watch stuff because of my milk intolerance too.

Try yogurt made from goats milk. There has to be someone in your area that
raises goats & makes yogurt.

> Yes I did wash the veggies and fruits when I could eat them. But stomach and
> bowels will not tolerate them at all now.

Some thing is upsetting your digestive enzymes. That is what yougrt is good at
helping.
http://www.medhelp.org/gov/www25.htm

> I still think it is gall bladder too but they say no my gall bladder looks
> healthy.

Your gall bladder may be healthy but it may be over or under producing bile. It
is your gall bladder & it is up to you to train it to work properly.

> I also know alot of my allergy problems are MCS but have not been diagnosed
> with it.

A diagnosis won't change anything. If additives & chemicals effect you it is up
to you to find out which ones bother you & eliminate them from your diet &
environment. Many MCS problems are caused by the way some food producers process
their product.

> But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that I am allergic to
> so many chemicals, that it makes sense.

True, it just takes a person that realizes that the medical community can't
think for them & they need to manage their own body because no one else can do
it for them.

> Oh by the way Dad, when I do use choc chips for the blood sugar thing. It is
> because they tell me to use orange juice. I can't drink orange juice now for
> 24 yrs. It started when I was pregnant with the boys and has continued on
> since. ;-)

Choc chips are made with processed sugar & that is a No No for anyone with
hypoglycemia problems, because it kicks the pancreas into high production of
insulin which is the real problem. Try locally produced honey.

> They tell you when the blood sugars drop below 70 to eat something with
> sugar and then within a half hour to follow it with protein. So that is what >  I do.

That is like throwing gasoline on a fire to put it out. Hypoglycemia is
something the medical community hasn't studied & doesn't teach in medical
school. Most doctors don't even believe it exists.

Hypoglycemia is a symptom of something else that prevents the body using blood
sugar the way it should. It can be a symptom of an over active pancreas, an
under active thyroid or insulin resistance caused by something else.

> I don't eat alot of choc. chips. I have a three ounce dixie cup and
> Jim gets me about a row on the bottom of it. It is enough to start bringing
> up my blood sugars again.

Like I said, try using locally produced raw honey. You can even put it on boils
to speed up healing. ^_^

GramPaHugs,
Alex,

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>
> Squirrely Jo

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Squirrely - 25 Sep 2004 07:38 GMT
I will do that Dad, I am trying really I am. ;-)

Thanks for the suggestions and advice.

I am not sure about the honey though. I know the store bought stuff I am
allergic too.

Right now I know Jim would kill me if I got stuff and it caused allergic
reactions. He is so fed up with all my sick stuff.

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Alex Barna - 25 Sep 2004 19:04 GMT
Hi Daughter,

> I will do that Dad, I am trying really I am. ;-)
>
> Thanks for the suggestions and advice.
>
> I am not sure about the honey though. I know the store bought stuff I am
> allergic too.

That is why I said honey from local bees. Look in the phone book for a local bee
keeper, lots of them have road side stands where you can sample their honey.

> Right now I know Jim would kill me if I got stuff and it caused allergic
> reactions. He is so fed up with all my sick stuff.

Well he can always get on the computer & study MCS to learn how to help you
get/stay well. ^_^

GramPaHugs,
Alex,

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>
> Squirrely Jo

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Squirrely - 27 Sep 2004 09:36 GMT
If I can get out soon, I will try to get some. I am still sick so can't get
out much except to drs. ;-)

Yeah like he would look up stuff to do with me. Haha. He is always surfing
the net, but not to see what is going on with me.

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Caroline Marold - 16 Sep 2004 17:02 GMT
on my -- do those cookies have nuts too? What else was
in them. Try a plain chocolate chip not surrounded by
cookie just to see if it was actually the chocolate or
something else.
That is really sad. :(
Duckie

> I beleive from the reaction I have had tonight, that I am now allergic to
> choc. chip cookies. I can't believe this.
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>
> Oh well such is life and one of these days I will learn.

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Squirrely - 16 Sep 2004 20:16 GMT
Not choc chips by themself. I eat those when my blood sugar goes way down.
Can't do the orange juice so use them to bring sugar levels back up.

No nuts in there.

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> on my -- do those cookies have nuts too? What else was
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> > Oh well such is life and one of these days I will learn.
Lee Thompson-Herbert - 16 Sep 2004 20:58 GMT
>Not choc chips by themself. I eat those when my blood sugar goes way down.
>Can't do the orange juice so use them to bring sugar levels back up.
>
>No nuts in there.

But it could be milk or whey or any number of other things in the
cookie dough.  I found out the hard way that whey will cause a nasty,
nasty reaction in me.  And that casein, the protein in milk that makes
things creamy and makes cheese melt, causes an anaphyllactic reaction.
I now have an Epipen and know to use it and take 60mg of prednisone,
then get my butt to the ER if I have another reaction like that.  If
you have serious food allergies, or serious allergies of any sort, you
need to work out an emergency plan with your pulmonologist.  Among other
things, the ER docs usually are clueless.

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Squirrely - 17 Sep 2004 08:55 GMT
It could be anything really in the cookie. But anyones guess is as good as
mine.

The drs don't want to seem to help me find out what the heck I am allergic
too.

I don't have a pulmonologist. I don't know why they never sent me to one.
You would think with the asthma, copd and empheysema that they would.
I guess they just like to see me suffer. ;-)

Thanks for the info.

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> >Not choc chips by themself. I eat those when my blood sugar goes way down.
> >Can't do the orange juice so use them to bring sugar levels back up.
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> need to work out an emergency plan with your pulmonologist.  Among other
> things, the ER docs usually are clueless.
d'huit - 16 Sep 2004 17:24 GMT
allergic to chocolate chip cookies?---i'd be ticked, too, sj.  sigh . . .  i
think we need an asa referendum on people being only allowed to be allergic
to things they don't like, like liver (except in beef wellington<LOL>) or
mushy peas--yuck!

<muttering>allergic to chocolate chip cookies---what's this world coming
to?!

hope you are feeling better, sj.

kate

>I beleive from the reaction I have had tonight, that I am now allergic to
> choc. chip cookies. I can't believe this.
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> Oh well such is life and one of these days I will learn.
Squirrely - 16 Sep 2004 20:17 GMT
I like chicken livers. I guess I am a weird one if we didn't already know
that. Sometimes if cooked with onions I like the other liver too. But not as
a regular meal.

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Jo Firey - 17 Sep 2004 00:28 GMT
>I like chicken livers. I guess I am a weird one if we didn't already know
> that. Sometimes if cooked with onions I like the other liver too. But not
> as
> a regular meal.

Shhhh.  Everything else that used to be cheap that I liked has increased in
price to the point its crazy.  Flank Steak and Short Ribs.  Tri-Tip roasts.
Lamb Shanks.  If those who determine such things find out how good they are
the price will skyrocket.

Jo
Gwen Love - 18 Sep 2004 00:55 GMT
SJ, I like beef liver cooked with onions & gravy also.  And I also like
chicken livers, but like the gizzards best.  So sorry about the cookies.
Gwen

> I like chicken livers. I guess I am a weird one if we didn't already know
> that. Sometimes if cooked with onions I like the other liver too. But not as
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jb - 18 Sep 2004 05:46 GMT
Oh yesI do like beef liver and onions if someone else  cooks it.  I just
cant eat it if  I have to  cook it. My mom use to fix gizzards but I did
know if anyone else fixed or liked them.
That was one of my dads favorite part of the ckicken  we always had for
Sunday Dinner.
janice

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Squirrely - 18 Sep 2004 09:39 GMT
OH Gwen, the gizzards and heart are great. But I do so like the livers too.
I used to buy extra livers and gizzards and hearts so I could bake them up
and eat them for lunch.

I think the cookies might have been a mistake. I am the same way again
tonight and no cookies. So it is all this allergy stuff getting to me at one
time I guess. Dr is changing my allergy med so we shall see if that helps.

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> SJ, I like beef liver cooked with onions & gravy also.  And I also like
> chicken livers, but like the gizzards best.  So sorry about the cookies.
> Gwen
d'huit - 18 Sep 2004 23:03 GMT
w0w.  i didn't know so many people liked gizzards.  but i should have
guessed, because my penn. dutch aunt used to make chicken gizzard burgers
that she sold in/from her and my uncle's little chicken shop on park st. in
hartford, connecticut back in the early '60s.  and i've got her recipe :-)
and boy, is it good.  it's still one of my favs.

kate

> OH Gwen, the gizzards and heart are great. But I do so like the livers
> too.
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>> chicken livers, but like the gizzards best.  So sorry about the cookies.
>> Gwen
Gwen Love - 18 Sep 2004 23:26 GMT
When I was growing up, nobody except my favorite uncle ate the chicken
gizzard at my house except me!  And he was really special.
Gwen

> w0w.  i didn't know so many people liked gizzards.  but i should have
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d'huit - 19 Sep 2004 00:03 GMT
> When I was growing up, nobody except my favorite uncle ate the chicken
> gizzard at my house except me!  And he was really special.
> Gwen

chicken wings were the only things my family of origin wouldn't eat that i
loved---then, my kid sister became a teenager and noticed. then, the fight
was on for 'em.LOL  i'm really kind of weird, gwen (as if we didn't already
know), in that there are certain foods i only like prepared one way and one
way only.   liver only in beef wellington; chicken gizzards only in gizzard
burgers (ground up with carrots, onions, bell peppers and stuff); custard
only prepared as a creme bruleee; fennel root only sauteed with onions . .
.etc. that kind of thing.  i like most everything, but a few things have to
be prepared just one way.  and too, there are a few things you can't get me
to touch---sweetbreads, mountain oysters, heart, kidneys and rutabagas.LOL

kate

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Squirrely - 19 Sep 2004 00:03 GMT
That does sound good. But I can't figure out how you get those gizzards into
a burger. ;-)

Jim takes my ground turkey and makes me a turkey burger since I can't have a
hamburger.

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> kate
d'huit - 19 Sep 2004 01:42 GMT
> That does sound good. But I can't figure out how you get those gizzards
> into
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> a
> hamburger.

you use a food grinder or food processor to grind/finely mince the meat with
the rest of the ingredients, sj.  then you form the patties,either by hand
or with a hamburger press.  my aunt had a commercial meat grinder in the
back room of their shop, when i used to watch her make 100 pound batches
(and we'd hand form the patties using a 4 oz. ice cream scoop).  but for
waaaay smaller batches, i've used both, my kitchen aide mixer's grinder
attachment or my cuisinart and either works just as well.  when we first
married, i had a hand grinder i used.LOL< imagining me trying to use that
now makes me wince>

kate

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>> kate
Squirrely - 19 Sep 2004 09:30 GMT
Thanks Kate, I kind of figured that out with the next post I saw on this
one. But thanks for explaining it to me better. I might try it.

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Char - 19 Sep 2004 10:32 GMT
>when we first
>married, i had a hand grinder i used.LOL< imagining me trying to use that
>now makes me wince>

I still have one that I use for some things.>you use a food grinder or food
processor to grind/finely mince the meat with
>the rest of the ingredients,

And the rest of the ingredients are-----------?
Char

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Char - 19 Sep 2004 10:31 GMT
>Jim takes my ground turkey and makes me a turkey burger since I can't have a
>hamburger.

For years I have used ground turkey as a substitute for ground beef, in
everything.  Even in such things as chili, or tater tot casserole.

Recently, when chicken hind quarters go on sale for next to nothing (28 cents a
lb. the last time), we buy up a bunch of it.  Usually at least 20lbs.  We then
separate the thighs and drumsticks, skin the chicken, remove the bone from the
thighs and grind it up.  And freeze the drumsticks whole.  We LOVE the ground
chicken.  Makes wonderful "burgers".

I make a patty of the ground chicken, dip it in seasoned flour (like you used
to flour chicken pieces for frying), and fry in a non stick skillet with just
about a tablespoon of canola oil.  They are really very very good.

And to those doing the South Beach Diet, I confess, I ate it in a sandwich.
And I am glad I did! bwaaahhhhaaaahhhhhaaaaaa (laughing maniacally)  With a
slice of tomato and some mayo.  
Char

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Squirrely - 20 Sep 2004 06:33 GMT
Thanks Kate and Char, those sound wonderful. I will have to try that.

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Margaret M. - 21 Sep 2004 18:41 GMT
> And to those doing the South Beach Diet, I confess, I ate it in
> a sandwich. And I am glad I did! bwaaahhhhaaaahhhhhaaaaaa
> (laughing maniacally)  With a slice of tomato and some mayo.
> Char

ROFL  I love it. :-)
Mag
Char - 19 Sep 2004 10:19 GMT
> penn. dutch aunt used to make chicken gizzard burgers
>that she sold in/from her and my uncle's little chicken shop on park st. in
>hartford, connecticut back in the early '60s.  and i've got her recipe

I love gizzards too.  Would you be willing to share that recipe with the rest
of us?

My Dad and I used to "fight" over the gizzards, when I was a kid, but I always
won.  My Mom told me a few years ago, that Dad didnt really like gizzards, but
he did like "fighting" over them with me.  I never realized that.  LOL  Makes
the memory that much more sweet.
Char

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Kitty Kelly - 27 Sep 2004 11:04 GMT
Hey Squirrelly -

If you touch their little butts with something really hot they'll back
out and jump off.  Kinda like a husband now that I think about it!

-vbg-

Kitty
Harvey R. Stone - 27 Sep 2004 13:46 GMT
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LOLOLOLOL,,, So it goes.
Harv
Squirrely - 27 Sep 2004 14:43 GMT
LOL

Now I can see why everyone loves you so well Kitty.

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Newsgroup Spambuster - 27 Sep 2004 17:19 GMT
SJ,

I agree with Alex.   Keep a journal of everything you eat and drink and
see if you can find a common thread in the ingredients that might be
causing you problems.

Also, have you ever considered doing an elimination diet to see if you
can find some of your food allergies and such?

Have you ever considered going to a homeopathic or natureopathic doctor
to try and get help with some of your allergy issues?   Sometimes they
can find things that traditional doctors can't find.   Talk and get to
know the people in your local health food stores to see if they can make
suggestions of things you might try.  Often time the people in your
local health food stores will also let you try a small sample of
something before buying which can be most helpful.  

Like Alex, mentioned, try yougurt every day.   Even with a bit of a milk
intolerance, you should be able to handle a small 4 oz carton of
yougurt, but be careful of the fruit flavored ones that may have dye
added in for coloring.

Instead of orange juice, chocolate chips or other candy for your low
blood sugar readings, try a saltine cracker or two and a tablespoon of
peanut butter.

try keeping around your house things small portion items like string
cheese, crackers, peanut butter, raisins, tuna, any kind of nuts that
you might be able to tolerate, any fruits that might be tolerated, even
with the IBS, you should be able to tolerate some fruits and veggies.
Hey, if you like chicken livers, then cook up a batch and put them in
small portion containers to have when you just need to eat a little
something.   If you can eat soups, then make lots of soups and freeze
them in small quantities.  Maybe look into a probiotic type supplement
to help your intestinal issues.

Go to ganedenbiotech.com and look at some of their free samples they
offer for IBS supplements and digestive aid  supplements.   Both of
these supplements have lactobacillus in them which can be helpful to
your entire intestinal tract.  

If your regular doctors aren't finding the problems, keep everything you
can written in a journal to try and help find the culprit as well as try
some other types of doctors like the homeopathic doctors.    Sooner or
later you will come upon a regimen of what will work for you and your
life should get a bit easier.  

Best of luck!

Donna G
Squirrely - 28 Sep 2004 21:29 GMT
Thanks for the suggestions I will do some of them. Right now can't afford
out of Kaiser drs though. No job no money for extra drs. But will keep it in
mind so that when I can afford them will look into it. Thank you for your
help.

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Caroline Marold - 28 Sep 2004 16:35 GMT
!!!!!!  I need to scan down all 998 messages but is THE
Kitty Kelly risen from the dead????
I sure hope so.
Duckie

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Gwen Love - 28 Sep 2004 17:44 GMT
Yes indeed.  It is the REAL Kitty Kelly.  She was surprised to learn about
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