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Becky - 22 Jul 2004 02:27 GMT Well my rd doc called today, and said that I need to go off the folic acid, it has flared up my interstitial cystitis so bad that I may have to go back and get DMSO in cathiders again, (YUCK) but it possibly could be the MTX, the doc isn't sure she told me to not take the folic acid for 2 days and she if it calms down, if it does then on Friday take the mtx without the folic acid and see what happens, if the bladder flares up again then we will know it was the mtx, the only problem I have is that 3 and half pills last Friday and I could hardly move for day 2 and 3 after, the fatigue and sore throat are bad, but guess I got to do what she says. It sure can be discouraging, she didn't seem to think that I get a small sore throat was anything so will have to see what happens this Friday, I asked if the injectable would be any different ont he bladder but she said she really doesn't know, that the only think the injectable helped with was nausea so will see, Well thanks for once again listening to me ramble, Have a great rest of the week Becky
Harvey R. Stone - 22 Jul 2004 03:03 GMT Hhhhhm, Okkkk, something new everyday. Someone tell me about DSMO used by doctors for anything. Harv
> Well my rd doc called today, and said that I need to go off the folic acid, > it has flared up my interstitial cystitis so bad that I may have to go back [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Have a great rest of the week > Becky kelly - 22 Jul 2004 03:46 GMT DMSO is a standard treatment for interstitial treatment. It is a sterile solution installed in the bladder and held for 20 minutes before release. Learn something new everyday Harv! Probably more than you wanted to know - but it is the gold standard treatment for interstitial cystitis.
Becky for 10 years I got DMSO treatments once a month - I installed it myself at home. After 10 years they stopped working. The uracystat - the stuff I gave you the information on - works for me. When I talked to the urologist's nurse last week she asked if your urologist would treat you if you got it from Canada - it is incredibly sucessful for many people.. It is not consider a med so I don't believe that a urologist needs a prescription per se. Sure worth a try - again you can be taught to install it at home and it has no smell like the dmso and can be easily held.
As for the side effects of the mtx, many people say that eventually the tiredness and nausea etc wanes a bit after a bit. Give it a good try as the mtx works in conjunction with other things so much better. In my opinion the few weeks I took it did not bother the interstitial - if nothing else after a couple of months it might have a positive effect on it. In any case it can't be worse than the RA pain - and yes I do have bad interstitial so I do know. But 16 years of interstitial is nothing compared to my serious RA pain.
I did ask before several times but you never answered. Are you following your interstitial diet faithfully. When a couple of my RA meds flared my interstitial dramatically I completely had to go off all coffee, tea, chocolate, strawberries, lettuce, citrus, vitamin with food colouring and additives and I am always off vitamin C and ascorbic acid. That made the difference between being able to take the med and prevent joint damage and not be able to stand the itc pain. If you aren't you might like to try that. Also ask you RD if he will prescribe amytriptiline (I may be spelling that wrong) for the pain of the interstitial and the RA. That is commonly prescibed for both chronic pain conditions.
You might try just putting up with the fatique and the sore throat for a bit. A couple of days downtime a week in most of our cases would not be bad if something worked. Try giving it time to see if the mtx will work. If it doesn't work then maybe it isn't worth it. But personally 4 out of 7 days where I am sitting would be great.
Kelly
Becky - 22 Jul 2004 04:12 GMT Kelly, I have had ic since 1984, I had DMSO every 10 days for over 12 years, I have had silver nitrate and cylopactic treatments also. My Ic is way way more painful then my arthritis!!!!!!!! I can not do the cather at home, I have a small bent urethra, it makes it difficult to put a catheder in the nurse has to do a couple other things to get in it, kinda graphic to talk about, I have always followed the ic diet, I only drink water nothing else and also have extreme pelvic pain and spams when I get the ic, mine is just not having to go to the bathroom all the time, although today I have gone 48 times!!!! I told my urologist about the treatment you mentioned he had never heard of it, he offered me elmioron, but then said with the mtx that woudl be to much on my liver, some people do get better on mtx with intersittial cyistits he said but then there are a few that it makes worse. I have taken amitriplyine since 1985 every night, and also take an antihistimaine that is supposed to help it also. I have been taking some algnot that is reccommed from the ic network as well. Like I said it had been pretty much gone for the last 5-7 years, it all started back when I started the folic acid, which the urologist said was bad for ic, any b vitiamins are, and then really flared when I started the mtx. Anyway thamks for the information, just watned you to know that i am following everything that I have been told about ic, I even have 2 cookbooks for products that are better to eat, and I also take pre=relief a pill that is supposed to neutralize the food that you it. Anyway thanks again Becky
> DMSO is a standard treatment for interstitial treatment. It is a sterile > solution installed in the bladder and held for 20 minutes before release. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Kelly kelly - 22 Jul 2004 05:09 GMT Just checking - I have asked before and it wasn't answered. You keep asking for help but not acknowledging any suggestions. This time around has not been the only time. I was around the first time you were here too.
I quit - whine on. Just some suggestions which you were asking for. Your urologist might just check that treatment though - it is becoming fairly common in Canada and is a miracle for a lot of people.
Kelly
Harvey R. Stone - 22 Jul 2004 13:17 GMT > Just checking - I have asked before and it wasn't answered. You keep asking > for help but not acknowledging any suggestions. This time around has not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Kelly Thanks Kelly,,,, I think I am thinking in the wrong track. You are talking Bladder and I am thinking intestine. So it goes.... LOL Harv
Wanda - 22 Jul 2004 23:14 GMT Becky, I have been reading and I feel so bad for you. I know just what you are going through with.I would like to let you know I'm on 10mg of mtx a week and folic acid each day. I have also been on Elmioron for two yrs. I have some hurting ,but it goes away in a little while , after taking the mtx. My Dr. did not take me off the elmioron when I started the mtx He said, as long as my as my blood was ok I could be on it. So far so good . I was wondering if you could try it. It may work and not bother your liver.( I have had interstitial cystitis for about 6 yrs., so I do under stand.) Praying for you, Wanda
> Kelly, > I have had ic since 1984, I had DMSO every 10 days for over 12 years, I have [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] >> >>Kelly Becky - 23 Jul 2004 01:41 GMT WAnda, Thanks for the words of encouargment. I meet with my doctor again on August 4th. She told me to stop the folic acid for a couple of days and load up on folic acid foods, which I had been doing. I got a refferal today in the mail for the urologist again, I will talk to him about elmorin, it is just werid that I haven't had any symptoms till the folic acid and then the mtx, will have to wait and see what happens. The doctor says there are a lot of peopl who take mtx without folic acid. I have been advised to take the dose tomorrow with being off the folic acid for 2 daysa dn sdee what happens, that is all I can do and go from there, I want something to work for everthing. Thanks again for your emails Becky
> Becky, I have been reading and I feel so bad for you. I know just what > you are going through with.I would like to let you know I'm on 10mg of [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] > >> > >>Kelly Becky - 22 Jul 2004 04:15 GMT > Kelly, One more thing I would be happy if I had only a couple days a week down, I have 2 days down with the extreme fatgiue, but the whole 7 days with the running to the bathroom every 15 mintues and the extreme baldder and painful spasms and the area is so red and irritated that is burns so bad to go to the bathroom, so really for me I would take the feet and hands hurting some like they do over this any day. Maybe later I might change but for me right now the IC is far worse then the RA Thanks BEcky
maybe it isn't worth it. But personally 4 out of 7 days
> DMSO is a standard treatment for interstitial treatment. It is a sterile > solution installed in the bladder and held for 20 minutes before release. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Kelly Harvey R. Stone - 22 Jul 2004 13:13 GMT Thank you Kelly. Ya know,,, we do not have to understand things for them to be true but that does not make any sense to me. DSMO allows stuff to go though the skin and into the bloodstream. Some people have RA because molecules of what is passing through the lower tracks get into the blood stream and our antibodies attack them after they lodge in our joints which have extremely slow circulation anyway. Dumb as it is,,, it seems to me that DSMO in that area would make this much worse than what is already taking place. Ahhwell,,, thanks for the info. Harv
Ps an old true saying,,, sometimes a little knowledge can be dangerous. I just do not know enough or 2 plus 2 is 4 and not the 5 that I come up with.
> DMSO is a standard treatment for interstitial treatment. It is a sterile > solution installed in the bladder and held for 20 minutes before release. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Kelly kelly - 22 Jul 2004 14:06 GMT No problem Harvey - I just didn't want you to think Becky was talking snake oil. Unlike with RA, DMSO is a saver for many of us with bladder problems. It is a sterile solution though - the only dmso prepared for such safely. It is safe used as the urologists do. Not one of the horse solutions that some of the beginning people used for RA. DMSO has been used on horses but that doesn't carry forward on people.
Kelly
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> Thank you Kelly. Ya know,,, we do not have to understand things for them > to be true but that does not make any sense to me. DSMO allows stuff to go [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > > > Kelly donnah - 22 Jul 2004 19:36 GMT (((Becky))) good luck and know that we are praying for you... donnah
> Well my rd doc called today, and said that I need to go off the folic acid, > it has flared up my interstitial cystitis so bad that I may have to go back [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Have a great rest of the week > Becky Becky - 23 Jul 2004 01:41 GMT Donna, Thank you Becky
> (((Becky))) > good luck and know that we are praying for you... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Have a great rest of the week > > Becky debbie m. - 22 Jul 2004 20:54 GMT Becky,
I hope things settle down for you. I feel like you are not sure what to do. You don't always have to do what your doctor says. You have a right to some imput also. If it appears to be the folic acid giving you the side effects then maybe you can ask for another DMARD. Everyone on the newsgroup I believe is in consensus that folic acid is a necessary with MTX. Not only is it essential for good health it will cut down on the side effects of the MTX.
If you feel the injectible will help you then tell the doc that is what you want. If it helps even a little then it would be worth it. Anyway seems like you have a lot of decisions to make. This is the right place to tell what is going on and get some feedback. I''m not on MTX, but many are and have been and can give you some good advice.
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> Well my rd doc called today, and said that I need to go off the folic acid, > it has flared up my interstitial cystitis so bad that I may have to go back [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Have a great rest of the week > Becky Becky - 23 Jul 2004 01:46 GMT Debbie, Thanks for the email, I have been of the folic acid now for 2 days, can't say that it is a whole lot better, but some. I have decided to give the mtx another try tomorrow, my doctor insist that there are a lot of people who do just fine with just eating folic acid rich foods, which I am trying to do and take the mtx. I have to find out if it is the mtx or the folic acid or both, I want to start aggressively doing something about this diseases. I will mention to her about the possibility of trying it by injection, although her nurse didn't that would matter, but it couldn't hurt to try. I see the urologist in a couple of weeks, had to get another referral. I will ask him again about emorion he didn't think that was what I should do since I have been symptom free for 8 years until now. Will wait and see what he says. Thank you to all of you for your prayers and emails I need to start putting my trust in the lord and now things will work out. As my mom always says This to shall Pass, I am just not sure what it will pass too!! Wishing everyone a good weekend, Thanks Becky
> Becky, > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Have a great rest of the week > > Becky
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