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Becky - 22 Jul 2004 02:27 GMT
Well my rd doc called today, and said that I need to go off the folic acid,
it has flared up my interstitial cystitis so bad that I may have to go back
and get DMSO in cathiders again, (YUCK) but it possibly could be the MTX,
the doc isn't sure she told me to not take the folic acid for 2 days and she
if it calms down, if it does then on Friday take the mtx without the folic
acid and see what happens, if the bladder flares up again then we will know
it was the mtx, the only problem I have is that 3 and half pills last Friday
and I could hardly move for day 2 and 3 after, the fatigue and sore throat
are bad, but guess I got to do what she says. It sure can be discouraging,
she didn't seem to think that I get a small sore throat was anything so will
have to see what happens this Friday, I asked if the injectable would be any
different ont he bladder but she said she really doesn't know, that the only
think the injectable helped with was nausea so will see,
Well thanks for once again listening to me ramble,
Have a great rest of the week
Becky
Harvey R. Stone - 22 Jul 2004 03:03 GMT
Hhhhhm,   Okkkk,  something new everyday.  Someone tell me about DSMO used
by doctors for anything.
Harv
> Well my rd doc called today, and said that I need to go off the folic acid,
> it has flared up my interstitial cystitis so bad that I may have to go back
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> Have a great rest of the week
> Becky
kelly - 22 Jul 2004 03:46 GMT
DMSO is a standard treatment for interstitial treatment.  It is a sterile
solution installed in the bladder and held for 20 minutes before release.
Learn something new everyday Harv!  Probably more than you wanted to know -
but it is the gold standard treatment for interstitial cystitis.

Becky for 10 years I got DMSO treatments once a month - I installed it
myself at home.  After 10 years they stopped working.  The uracystat - the
stuff I gave you the information on - works for me.  When I talked to the
urologist's nurse last week she asked if your urologist would treat you if
you got it from Canada - it is incredibly sucessful for many people.. It is
not consider a med so I don't believe that a urologist needs a prescription
per se. Sure worth a try - again you can be taught to install it at home and
it has no smell like the dmso and can be easily held.

As for the side effects of the mtx, many people say that eventually the
tiredness and nausea etc wanes a bit after a bit.  Give it a good try as the
mtx works in conjunction with other things so much better.  In my opinion
the few weeks I took it did not bother the interstitial - if nothing else
after a couple of months it might have a positive effect on it.  In any case
it can't be worse than the RA pain - and yes I do have bad interstitial so I
do know.  But 16 years of interstitial is nothing compared to my serious RA
pain.

I did ask before several times but you never answered.  Are you following
your interstitial diet faithfully.  When a couple of my RA meds flared my
interstitial dramatically I completely had to go off all coffee, tea,
chocolate, strawberries, lettuce, citrus, vitamin with food colouring and
additives and I am always off vitamin C and ascorbic acid.  That made the
difference between being able to take the med and prevent joint damage and
not be able to stand the itc pain.  If you aren't you might like to try
that.  Also ask you RD if he will prescribe amytriptiline (I may be spelling
that wrong) for the pain of the interstitial and the RA.  That is commonly
prescibed for both chronic pain conditions.

You might try just putting up with the fatique and the sore throat for a
bit.  A couple of days downtime a week in most of our cases would not be bad
if something worked.  Try giving it time to see if the mtx will work.  If it
doesn't work then maybe it isn't worth it.  But personally 4 out of 7 days
where I am sitting would be great.

Kelly
Becky - 22 Jul 2004 04:12 GMT
Kelly,
I have had ic since 1984, I had DMSO every 10 days for over 12 years, I have
had silver nitrate and cylopactic treatments also. My Ic is way way more
painful then my arthritis!!!!!!!!  I can not do the cather at home, I have a
small bent urethra, it makes it difficult to put a catheder in the nurse has
to do a couple other things to get in it, kinda graphic to talk about,  I
have always followed the ic diet, I only drink water nothing else and also
have extreme pelvic pain and spams when I get the ic, mine is just not
having to go to the bathroom all the time, although today I have gone 48
times!!!!  I told my urologist about the treatment you mentioned he had
never heard of it, he offered me elmioron, but then said with the mtx that
woudl be to much on my liver, some people do get better on mtx with
intersittial cyistits he said but then there are a few that it makes worse.
I have taken amitriplyine since 1985 every night, and also take an
antihistimaine that is supposed to help it also. I have been taking some
algnot that is reccommed from the ic network as well. Like I said it had
been pretty much gone for the last 5-7 years, it all started back when I
started the folic acid, which the urologist said was bad for ic, any b
vitiamins are, and then really flared when I started the mtx.
Anyway thamks for the information, just watned you to know that i am
following everything that I have been told about ic, I even have 2 cookbooks
for products that are better to eat, and I also take pre=relief a pill that
is supposed to neutralize the food that you it.
Anyway thanks again
Becky
> DMSO is a standard treatment for interstitial treatment.  It is a sterile
> solution installed in the bladder and held for 20 minutes before release.
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> Kelly
kelly - 22 Jul 2004 05:09 GMT
Just checking - I have asked before and it wasn't answered. You keep asking
for help but not acknowledging any suggestions.  This time around has not
been the only time. I was around the first time you were here too.

I quit - whine on. Just some suggestions which you were asking for. Your
urologist might just check that treatment though - it is becoming fairly
common in Canada and is a miracle for a lot of people.

Kelly
Harvey R. Stone - 22 Jul 2004 13:17 GMT
> Just checking - I have asked before and it wasn't answered. You keep asking
> for help but not acknowledging any suggestions.  This time around has not
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> Kelly

Thanks Kelly,,,,  I think I am thinking in the wrong track.   You are
talking Bladder and I am thinking intestine.  So it goes.... LOL
Harv
Wanda - 22 Jul 2004 23:14 GMT
Becky, I have been reading and I feel so bad for you. I know just what
you are going through with.I would like to let you know I'm on 10mg of
mtx a week and folic acid each day. I have also been on Elmioron for two
yrs. I have some hurting ,but it goes away in a little while , after
taking the mtx. My Dr. did not take me off the elmioron when I started
the mtx
He said, as long as my as my blood was ok I could be on it. So far so
good . I was wondering if you could try it. It may work and not bother
your liver.( I have had interstitial cystitis for about 6 yrs., so I do
under stand.)  Praying  for you, Wanda
> Kelly,
> I have had ic since 1984, I had DMSO every 10 days for over 12 years, I have
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>>Kelly
Becky - 23 Jul 2004 01:41 GMT
WAnda,
Thanks for the words of encouargment. I meet with my doctor again on August
4th. She told me to stop the folic acid for a couple of days and load up on
folic acid foods, which I had been doing.  I got a refferal today in the
mail for the urologist again, I will talk to him about elmorin, it is just
werid that I haven't had any symptoms till the folic acid and then the mtx,
will have to wait and see what happens. The doctor says there are a lot of
peopl who take mtx without folic acid. I have been advised to take the dose
tomorrow with being off the folic acid for 2 daysa dn sdee what happens,
that is all I can do and go from there, I want something to work for
everthing.
Thanks again for your emails
Becky
> Becky, I have been reading and I feel so bad for you. I know just what
> you are going through with.I would like to let you know I'm on 10mg of
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> >>Kelly
Becky - 22 Jul 2004 04:15 GMT
> Kelly,
One more thing I would be happy if  I had only a couple days a week down, I
have 2 days down with the extreme fatgiue, but the whole 7 days with the
running to the bathroom every 15 mintues and the extreme baldder and painful
spasms and the area is so red and irritated that is burns so bad to go to
the bathroom, so really for me I would take the feet and hands hurting some
like they do over this any day. Maybe later I might change but for me right
now the IC is far worse then the RA
Thanks
BEcky

maybe it isn't worth it.  But personally 4 out of 7 days
> DMSO is a standard treatment for interstitial treatment.  It is a sterile
> solution installed in the bladder and held for 20 minutes before release.
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> Kelly
Harvey R. Stone - 22 Jul 2004 13:13 GMT
Thank you Kelly.    Ya know,,, we do not have to understand things for them
to be true but that does not make any sense to me.   DSMO allows stuff to go
though the skin and into the bloodstream.    Some people have RA because
molecules of what is passing through the lower tracks get into the blood
stream and our antibodies attack them after they lodge in our joints which
have extremely slow circulation anyway.    Dumb as it is,,, it seems to me
that DSMO in that area would make this much worse than what is already
taking place.  Ahhwell,,, thanks for the info.
Harv

Ps  an old true saying,,, sometimes a little knowledge can be dangerous.  I
just do not know enough or 2 plus 2 is 4 and not the 5 that I come up with.
> DMSO is a standard treatment for interstitial treatment.  It is a sterile
> solution installed in the bladder and held for 20 minutes before release.
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> Kelly
kelly - 22 Jul 2004 14:06 GMT
No problem Harvey - I just didn't want you to think Becky was talking snake
oil.  Unlike with RA, DMSO is a saver for many of us with bladder problems.
It is a sterile solution though - the only dmso prepared for such safely.
It is safe used as the urologists do.  Not one of the horse solutions that
some of the beginning people used for RA.  DMSO has been used on horses but
that doesn't carry forward on people.

Kelly

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> Thank you Kelly.    Ya know,,, we do not have to understand things for them
> to be true but that does not make any sense to me.   DSMO allows stuff to go
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> > Kelly
donnah - 22 Jul 2004 19:36 GMT
(((Becky)))
good luck and know that we are praying for you...
donnah

> Well my rd doc called today, and said that I need to go off the folic acid,
> it has flared up my interstitial cystitis so bad that I may have to go back
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> Have a great rest of the week
> Becky
Becky - 23 Jul 2004 01:41 GMT
Donna,
Thank you
Becky
> (((Becky)))
> good luck and know that we are praying for you...
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> > Have a great rest of the week
> > Becky
debbie m. - 22 Jul 2004 20:54 GMT
Becky,

I hope things settle down for you.  I feel like you are not sure what to do.
You don't always have to do what your doctor says.  You have a right to some
imput also.  If it appears to be the folic acid giving you the side effects
then maybe you can ask for another DMARD.  Everyone on the newsgroup I
believe is in consensus that folic acid is a necessary with MTX.  Not only
is it essential for good health it will cut down on the side effects of the
MTX.

If you feel the injectible will help you then tell the doc that is what you
want.  If it helps even a little then it would be worth it.  Anyway seems
like you have a lot of decisions to make.  This is the right place to tell
what is going on and get some feedback.  I''m not on MTX, but many are and
have been and can give you some good advice.

debbie m.
http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/angels1/

> Well my rd doc called today, and said that I need to go off the folic acid,
> it has flared up my interstitial cystitis so bad that I may have to go back
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> Have a great rest of the week
> Becky
Becky - 23 Jul 2004 01:46 GMT
Debbie,
Thanks for the email, I have been of the folic acid now for 2 days, can't
say that it is a whole lot better, but some. I have decided to give the mtx
another try tomorrow, my doctor insist that there are a lot of people who do
just fine with just eating folic acid rich foods, which I am trying to do
and take the mtx. I have to find out if it is the mtx or the folic acid or
both, I want to start aggressively doing something about this diseases. I
will mention to her about the possibility of trying it by injection,
although her nurse didn't that  would matter, but it couldn't hurt to try.
I see the urologist in a couple of weeks, had to get another referral. I
will ask him again about emorion he didn't think that was what I should do
since I have been symptom free for 8 years until now. Will wait and see what
he says.
Thank you to all of you for your prayers and emails I need to start putting
my trust in the lord and now things will work out. As my mom always says
This to shall Pass, I am just not sure what it will pass too!!
Wishing everyone a good weekend,
Thanks
Becky
> Becky,
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> > Have a great rest of the week
> > Becky
 
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