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Squirrely - 19 Jul 2004 10:49 GMT
well well well, found out what I am allergic to finally tonight. Another
allergic reaction. It was my shampoo. I didn't think it was it because I
have used that one for over a year now. But for some reason I stopped it and
went back to head and shoulders about a month ago. Tonight, I grabbed the
wrong bottle of shampoo. Bingo major break out again, all over face, top of
shoulders, back, arms, any where the shampoo ran off my head and touched.
Also my head is itching like mad so I suspect it is broke out too but have
psirasis (sp) so bad there can't tell.

Our unemployment checks just ran out on the 10th.
Still no job yet.

Then last tuesday dr came back from vacation and called me about holter
monitor test. I have to go have a stress test done. It showed I am throwing
pvcs big time and the dr thinks it is a ventricle problem.

So there you have it are we having fun yet.

Also tonight went out in garage and there are hundreds of tiny spiders
running around all over my washer and dryer.

If it were not for bad luck, Jim and I would not have any luck at all.

Wish me luck that I don't have a more severe allergic reaction and have to
go to ER this morning. Jim is going to try in morning to go to two places
about a job. I don't want to have to take  him away from that. We really
need a job.

No news yet on the pelvic ultrasound. But the tech did say things looked
healthy down there. So we shall see.

Also got written report on ct scan. It looks like it is showing more masses
and cysts and lesions. So have to talk to dr about that one again when I see
her.

I have been really ill with sinusitis stuff so that is why I was missing for
awhile there. Also have been exhausted big time. Pain is still being a son
of a gun also. Couldn't type much there for awhile. It is coming back in
full time force in the shoulder, neck and upper back. So it makes numbness
and tinglying down arms. Which affects typing.

Also I need to find out about this darn rib cage. It is starting to deform
on a regular basis now. It was like weeks in between before. Now it
happening on a weekly basis sometimes twice in one week.

Two drs now got to feel it when it was happening. You should see their eyes
pop out. ;-)
They didn't believe me before when I said the darn thing deforms. NOw they
do. They don't have a clue to what is causing it, but think it is the most
severe case of costo they have ever seen. I don't think it is the costo
though. But don't know what the heck to think it is.

Ok I will go now, am running at the hands. ;-)

Need to try to get some sleep now if I can.

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Squirrely Jo

Harvey R. Stone - 19 Jul 2004 13:37 GMT
> well well well, found out what I am allergic to finally tonight. Another
> allergic reaction. It was my shampoo. I didn't think it was it because I
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>
> So there you have it are we having fun yet.

Awwwhhh, Joooo,,,, I am going to pray for you Jo.   Just you.  I am going to
ask that things change for you.  We all have tests but my goodness,,,,,
enough is enough.   You know that my opinion is not the important one here
but I am going to act like it is....

> Also tonight went out in garage and there are hundreds of tiny spiders
> running around all over my washer and dryer.
>
> If it were not for bad luck, Jim and I would not have any luck at all.

Oh my,,, I hate spiders.  I have to tell you that I am glad that is your
guys job and not mine.  I will do a dance or run from a spider.   I will
play with snakes as long as I can see them and take a broom to a racoon or
armidillo and hunt wolves and coyotes buttt don't put a spider on me.  I
will hurt you getting away from it for sure,,, think about pay backs maybe
too.  LOL

> Wish me luck that I don't have a more severe allergic reaction and have to
> go to ER this morning. Jim is going to try in morning to go to two places
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> Need to try to get some sleep now if I can.

   I just want you to know we love you Jo and we will try to understand all
your tests and trials.    Please put what you use for shampoo is a special
place and do not mix them up again. That is an order.   Good luck with the
job stuff.
God bless you.
Harv
Squirrely - 20 Jul 2004 01:29 GMT
Harv,

thanks so much for the prayers, I really need them right now.

Sorry to hear you don't like spiders either but I do agree with you.

I had Jim put that darn shampoo under the vanity last night after I realized
what I had done.

Yeah Harv, I know you all love me and are there for me. I am so glad. I need
people like all of you to help me make it thru all this crap. I am at the
end of my rope and feeling it breaking. ;-)

I do so appreciate all the support I get from this group. I send my love
back to you all also.

Thank you Cindy also for your prayers and hugs. I do so appreciate them.

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Squirrely Jo

> Awwwhhh, Joooo,,,, I am going to pray for you Jo.   Just you.  I am going to
> ask that things change for you.  We all have tests but my goodness,,,,,
> enough is enough.   You know that my opinion is not the important one here
> but I am going to act like it is....

> Oh my,,, I hate spiders.  I have to tell you that I am glad that is your
> guys job and not mine.  I will do a dance or run from a spider.   I will
> play with snakes as long as I can see them and take a broom to a racoon or
> armidillo and hunt wolves and coyotes buttt don't put a spider on me.  I
> will hurt you getting away from it for sure,,, think about pay backs maybe
> too.  LOL

>     I just want you to know we love you Jo and we will try to understand all
> your tests and trials.    Please put what you use for shampoo is a special
> place and do not mix them up again. That is an order.   Good luck with the
> job stuff.
> God bless you.
> Harv
Cindy - 19 Jul 2004 14:35 GMT
Yes Jo,
Sweetie, you are having sooooo much fun now...
Sending great big hugs and lots of prayers...
Hugs Cindy
Nann Bell - 19 Jul 2004 14:40 GMT
((((((((((((((((((((((((((SJ)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Damn, you really have got to catch a break some time soon.  This is just way
too much.  Kicking up the prayer machine now and I'll light a candle as soon
as I get back from running errands.

Have you put any Benadryl spray or hydrocortisone cream on the areas where
you've broken out from the shammpoo?  Maybe that will help kick up the action
of your antihistamines.  I know I tend to forget about things like that when
I'm feeling lousy.

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Squirrely - 20 Jul 2004 01:34 GMT
Thanks Nann, Donnah, and Rose B,

I sure can use all the hugs, and prayers and thoughts I can get. I really
feel like I am falling apart this time.

Nann, I didn't know about the spray or cream. I just used the benadry
capsules and it helped me make it thru the night.

I did sleep Rose, from about 3 in morning till 9:30 then got up took my
claritin and I think I slept another hour. But right now I feel like I could
sleep some more.

Donnah, thanks for doing the vigil for me. I am getting scared and I sure
could use it.

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Squirrely Jo

> ((((((((((((((((((((((((((SJ)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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> of your antihistamines.  I know I tend to forget about things like that when
> I'm feeling lousy.
donnah - 20 Jul 2004 15:47 GMT
(((Jo)))
Jo, hang in there! you have a bunch of old ladies praying their hearts
out for you...
donnah

> Thanks Nann, Donnah, and Rose B,
>
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> when
> > I'm feeling lousy.
donnah - 19 Jul 2004 15:52 GMT
Jo, you remain in my prayers! And I'll ask COOL to do a 24/7 vigil for
you...
donnah

> well well well, found out what I am allergic to finally tonight. Another
> allergic reaction. It was my shampoo. I didn't think it was it because I
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> Need to try to get some sleep now if I can.
RoseB - 19 Jul 2004 17:04 GMT
Soooo sorry to hear about all the bad stuff happening in your life.
I hope that you were able to get a decent rest last night. Sometimes a
good rest enables you to see things in a different light.
Rose
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Nicole C. in Austin - 19 Jul 2004 17:23 GMT
"Dear SQ

My my you too have such a full plate and I am so sorry. Sounds like a
stressful for time for you guys- new job is around the corner it has
to be. I have seen signs of life in the employment environment around
here as have many family members and friends who have been laid off
forever or so it seems and they are finally getting interiews with
solid offer possibilities.

I do not know if you like to read but when we were going through a
very large financial and other crisis I ran across an author who could
really speak to me at the stress level and maybe hopelessness that I
felt at the time. Her name is Catherine Ponder and I have read all of
her stuff but the book I started with was " Open You Mind to Receive"
I did and I did receive. YOu can find the books most easily on amamzon
and if that is not an option right now I will track down my loaned out
copy and mail it to you if you like.

Let us know about your ribs and other things as soon as you know
please.

Warm thoughts, hugs, and positive job prayers/ energy to you and
yours.
Warmly,
Nicole C
ShenMei9 - 19 Jul 2004 18:53 GMT
Wow jo, scarry stuff that allergy thing-does anyone have a clue which
ingredient it might be that is causing that reaction?  Prayers for you and Jim
and a little extra push for his job hunting because that has got to be stessing
you out big time.

"May jo get back the amount of good luck in her life that will equal the good
her presence in ASA has brought all of us"-Not the prayer but the spell in the
healing box, I usually try to be a little less directive with God <g>

So i have a package ready to send-should get it out tomorrow-

Hang in there kiddo, this too shall pass-

Your sis,
Melinda

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Squirrely - 20 Jul 2004 02:23 GMT
Nicole and Melinda,

Thanks for the suggestion about the book Nicole, but right now I can't
afford to buy anything. I am getting worried now because I can't sit here at
puter and still no sign of the other puter son was going to bring down so I
could read as I was laying down. So I am running out of printing ink and
paper. So it might take me longer yet to answer messages and posts. Oh well
such is life.

I will let you know as soon as I hear any news about the heart, ribs, etc.
Today is not one of my better days. The rib cage and spine are surely
connected. I can tell it. Everything front and back is a mess.

thanks for the hugs, prayers, and energy.

Melinda,

No, I was the one that figured it out with the shampoo. I am not getting
help from drs or allergist to figure this stuff out.

Oh Melinda, thank you for the package you are going to send. I will use it
well. ;-)

I am getting weepy here, you are my sis too Melinda. You all here at ASA are
my family. I don't know what I would do without you all.

To anyone I might have missed. Thank you all.
I am not getting all the posts for some reason. I did at one time have the
German server and I wasn't getting them all thru it either for somereason. I
think my isp is not putting all this thru. So I don't want anyone to think I
didn't thank them. I do thank you all and it does mean so much to me.

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Squirrely Jo

> "Dear SQ
>
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> Warmly,
> Nicole C
Carole - 20 Jul 2004 01:41 GMT
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Squirrely}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

I will keep you and Jim in my prayers. Believe me, I know what you are
going through. And now I'll give you the advice that everyone gave
me...don't be afraid or ashamed to ask for help. We all need it at some
point in our lives. If it wasn't for the help I got from food stamps,
and friends (most of whom I've never met), I wouldn't be sitting here
right now. I'd be living in tent city.

As for the shampoo...throw the stuff you are allergic to  away!

Hugs,
Carole :)

> well well well, found out what I am allergic to finally tonight. Another
> allergic reaction. It was my shampoo. I didn't think it was it because I
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> Need to try to get some sleep now if I can.
Squirrely - 20 Jul 2004 07:48 GMT
Thanks Carole,

I will keep what you said in mind.

Jim is going to use it up. Can't afford to throw away anything these days.

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> > Need to try to get some sleep now if I can.
DCHAM - 20 Jul 2004 05:25 GMT
oh, jo, this is too much. i admire you for the way you keep your chin up. i'm
taking a prayer workshop this week, and you are at the top of the list.

hugs,

diane
Squirrely - 20 Jul 2004 08:01 GMT
Oh thank you so much diane.

I wouldn't admire me, you don't see me when I am having a pmsey moment or
when I start to cry. I don't totally cry but every once and a while some
tears slip out.

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> oh, jo, this is too much. i admire you for the way you keep your chin up. i'm
> taking a prayer workshop this week, and you are at the top of the list.
>
> hugs,
>
> diane
Nann Bell - 20 Jul 2004 13:00 GMT
> I wouldn't admire me, you don't see me when I am having a pmsey moment or
> when I start to cry. I don't totally cry but every once and a while some
> tears slip out.

nothing wrong in crying at all.  did more than a bit of it myself yesterday
when I was trying to convey to Mike how much of an issue control of my life
is right now for me.  Of course my ribcage has been paying for the sobbing
ever since.  Crying used to be my weekly release valve but my ribs just won't
let me do the sobbing now.

Anyway, my point is crying is what enables us to get up the next day and do
what we have to do.  It's a good way to let out some of the stress and
pressure and to display the emotions that you have to contain to accomplish
things during the day.  Crying is NOT a sign of weakness.

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donnah - 20 Jul 2004 15:50 GMT
my thoughts exactly, Nann! crying at times for me has kept me
sane...we can't always keep up chins up...sometimes a good cry is what
heals our hearts.
donnah

> > I wouldn't admire me, you don't see me when I am having a pmsey moment or
> > when I start to cry. I don't totally cry but every once and a while some
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> pressure and to display the emotions that you have to contain to accomplish
> things during the day.  Crying is NOT a sign of weakness.
Squirrely - 20 Jul 2004 23:56 GMT
Thank you all. I know crying is a great release.

It is just I always have felt I have to be the strong one all the time. So I
hate it when I do finally start falling apart little by little. I am afraid
at this point to totally let it go. Because I am afraid I won't be able to
pull myself back together. Also afraid of what that might do if this is
heart stuff like the dr thinks.

Donnah, you made me laugh with that bunch of old ladies praying for me. Old,
oh man get out of here, I know you are all spring chickens. Just wait till
that knee gets better and you will tell us about how young you feel. ;-)

Thank you all once again for being so supportive of me. It does mean so much
to me. I couldn't do it without you all. (Do I sound southern enough yet.
LOL)

Have I told you lately how much you mean to me. ASA is the greatest, loving,
caring, supportive family to have. Yeah, I am glad I am a part of it. Thank
you for letting me be a part of your and now my family.

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> > I wouldn't admire me, you don't see me when I am having a pmsey moment or
> > when I start to cry. I don't totally cry but every once and a while some
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> pressure and to display the emotions that you have to contain to accomplish
> things during the day.  Crying is NOT a sign of weakness.
donnah - 21 Jul 2004 00:42 GMT
(((Jo)))
LOL...but most of us are old (over 50), not that 50 is old <g>
and you are one of the best of this family!
donnah

> Thank you all. I know crying is a great release.
>
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> accomplish
> > things during the day.  Crying is NOT a sign of weakness.
Alex Barna - 21 Jul 2004 17:57 GMT
Dear Daughter,

> Thank you all. I know crying is a great release.
>
> It is just I always have felt I have to be the strong one all the time.

No, It is Jim's job to be strong, that doesn't mean he can't hold you while both
of you have a good cry. You both have my permission to cry when needed.

Sending Good Thoughts,


GramPaHugs,
Alex,

> So I
> hate it when I do finally start falling apart little by little. I am afraid
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> Squirrely Jo

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Squirrely - 21 Jul 2004 20:59 GMT
Dad,

this is terrible to say seeing how it is our anniversary. but that is such a
laugh. I have always had to be the strong one. I guess it is like my dad
used to say, you make  your bed now you have to lay in it. ;-)

How is the surgery going for Sarah so far. Any news yet. I have been
thinking of all of you today.
I have also been saying prayers and sending good thoughts and healing
thoughts. I wish the best for all of you.

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> GramPaHugs,
> Alex,
Alex Barna - 22 Jul 2004 03:00 GMT
Happy anniversary Jo & Jim.

I posted about Sarah to the ping message from Donna G.

GramPaHugs,
Alex,

> Dad,
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> Squirrely Jo

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Kiyoshi Anrui - 20 Jul 2004 20:15 GMT
>Oh thank you so much diane.
>
>I wouldn't admire me, you don't see me when I am having a pmsey moment or
>when I start to cry. I don't totally cry but every once and a while some
>tears slip out.

Tears are the human body's manner of expressing intense emotions, of
easing the tension inside. When we let our tears flow, we accept our
limitations and frailties as human beings, and by doing so we quickly
regain strength to wipe them away, open our eyes, lift our heads, and
move on.
--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Nann Bell - 20 Jul 2004 23:19 GMT
> Tears are the human body's manner of expressing intense emotions, of
> easing the tension inside. When we let our tears flow, we accept our
> limitations and frailties as human beings, and by doing so we quickly
> regain strength to wipe them away, open our eyes, lift our heads, and
> move on.
> --

beautifully said.

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donnah - 21 Jul 2004 00:43 GMT
how true, Kiyoshi...
and how are you feeling???
donnah

> >Oh thank you so much diane.
> >
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> -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
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Kiyoshi Anrui - 21 Jul 2004 03:45 GMT
>how true, Kiyoshi...
>and how are you feeling???
>donnah

Hi Donnah. I am doing great. I've lost over 70 pounds since the
surgery on May 17th. Add to that the 120 lost before surgery and it
brings the total to over 190 pounds lost in the last year (began
"dieting" last July). The final tube came out last week so I am now
able to exercise in the pool again. I started back yesterday (Monday).
Hopefully, the exercising helps retain lean muscle and speeds up the
metabolism so I have more energy and possibly lose weight a little
faster. I'm mostly eating canned meats (chicken, tuna, turkey),
cheese, yogurt, and eggs... okay, and sugarless ice cream too. <g> I'm
still only eating one egg and getting full. Or four bites of meat, or
one container of yogurt, etc. Things are going well though. I'm back
to working and meeting with clients which will help the financial
situation. I've lost a total of 16 inches around the waist last time I
measured and the pants I ordered in that size two weeks ago are
already starting to feel loose around the waist. I've donated nine big
green garbage bags of clothing to shelters. It's a lot of fun buying
new clothes in smaller sizes. I can't wait until I can buy off the
rack at places like Walmart, Kmart, Target, etc. So, that's my current
life. How about you? How are you doing lately?

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Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Squirrely - 21 Jul 2004 08:28 GMT
thanks Patty

This is great to hear Kiyoshi. Good job. Keep up the good work.  I am so
proud of you.

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> >how true, Kiyoshi...
> >and how are you feeling???
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> -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
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Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 04:57 GMT
>This is great to hear Kiyoshi. Good job. Keep up the good work.  I am so
>proud of you.

Thank you, Jo.
--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Nann Bell - 21 Jul 2004 14:02 GMT
Hey Kiyoshi, it's good to hear things are progressing so well.  It must be an
amazing process to have the weight coming off like that.  Then again... you
never know what body you're going to wake up with in the morning  ;)  I hope
going back to work and the pool help the energy.  I always find recovering at
home so boring.........  it's a relief to just reach the point where I can
drive myself again!

meanwhile, my husband has been in danger of out-growing the racks at WalMart!
Finally got him to agree to emphasize veggies and fruit for a while and
we're both losing veeeeeerrrrrrryyyyyy slowly (~1 lb/week) but at least we
might keep him shopping at WM!

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Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 05:01 GMT
>Hey Kiyoshi, it's good to hear things are progressing so well.  It must be an
>amazing process to have the weight coming off like that.  Then again... you
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>we're both losing veeeeeerrrrrrryyyyyy slowly (~1 lb/week) but at least we
>might keep him shopping at WM!

Thank you, Nann. Good luck with getting your husband to stay on track
with eating properly. If he fails, he and I could always trade
clothing as I lose weight and he gains it. <g>

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
jb - 22 Jul 2004 05:24 GMT
"Kiyoshi
your weight loss is amazing.  Did you have bypass surgery? If so do you
recommend it?
keep up the great job you are doing. wish I could do better and loose
faster. I have lost about 30lbs since I have had to go on a diabetic diet
but wish it was 130 instead of just 30 lol

janice
Anrui" <kiyoshi.anrui@uma.no.hone> wrote in message
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> >Hey Kiyoshi, it's good to hear things are progressing so well.  It must be an
> >amazing process to have the weight coming off like that.  Then again... you
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> -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
>    circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Jo Firey - 22 Jul 2004 05:40 GMT
> "Kiyoshi
> your weight loss is amazing.  Did you have bypass surgery? If so do you
> recommend it?
> keep up the great job you are doing. wish I could do better and loose
> faster. I have lost about 30lbs since I have had to go on a diabetic diet
> but wish it was 130 instead of just 30 lol

Just 30?  Just 30!!!

Do you know what some people would do to lose 30 pounds?

It's wonderful to give others credit for what they accomplish, but give
yourself a little credit here.  You are doing great.

Thirty pounds is a huge difference.  Especially when there are other
challenges in your life.

Jo
Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 06:08 GMT
>"Kiyoshi
>your weight loss is amazing.  Did you have bypass surgery? If so do you
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>janice

Hi Janice.

I did have the bypass surgery. However, I lost 120 pounds prior to
getting the surgery. I knew that I would gain it all back because that
has been a repeated pattern for me in the past. So, I opted for a
permanent solution like the surgery.

I'm only about 10 weeks out from surgery and I'm still very glad that
I got it done. It is giving me a chance for a "normal" life. Normal to
me is the opportunity to go out in public without people starting,
pointing, or laughing; not having to worry if I can fit into chairs at
restaurants or other public places; not being negatively judged based
only upon looks, and other simple things like that.

I definitely do not want to become a salesperson for this surgery. I
believe it is a very personal decision that should be made based on
research and discussions with your doctors and surgeon. You'll hear
both good and bad from people who have had the surgery. Some people
encounter complications during or post surgery. Other people have no
problems. Neither makes the surgery good or bad but only shows that
the experience is going to be different for each person. Also, the
surgery isn't a guaranteed way to keep off the weight. Many people do
manage to return to their prior eating habits and defeat the surgery.
So, there is still will-power involved even after getting the surgery.
I remember going to see the surgeon one day and there was a lady in
the waiting room who was crying. She had lost near a hundred pounds
but was sliding backwards. She reported eating four brownies the prior
day. Not everyone has the same reaction to sugar and some people lose
the reaction over time. I'm hoping that I never lose my reaction to
sugar. It makes staying away from it very simple since I don't like
dry heaving for hours at a time.

A positive side benefit to the surgery for you would be the
elimination of your diabetes if you are type 2. I'm not sure of the
details (since I don't have diabetes) but the surgery does something
to the diabetes so that you don't have to take insulin. Here is a link
to an article that discusses the diabetes aspect.

http://diabetes.about.com/cs/newswire/a/blngastricb1003.htm

A positive side benefit for me personally was that it eliminated my
hiatal hernia. The hernia is still there but there is no stomach acid
to come back up. The old stomach is way down farther along the small
intestine and no food goes through it. Therefore, no stomach acid can
come back up.

You can learn a lot about the surgery and other people's experience
with it by searching on Yahoo or some other search engine. I
personally have no regrets and only wish it was available when I was a
child. My life would have been completely different.

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Nann Bell - 22 Jul 2004 15:56 GMT
> I'm only about 10 weeks out from surgery and I'm still very glad that
> I got it done. It is giving me a chance for a "normal" life. Normal to
> me is the opportunity to go out in public without people starting,
> pointing, or laughing; not having to worry if I can fit into chairs at
> restaurants or other public places; not being negatively judged based
> only upon looks, and other simple things like that.

a side note -- I currently live in an area where there are MANY morbidly
obese people around town.  Even with my level of knowledge about not staring,
I find it hard not to stare sometimes.  I just keep reminding myself to
behave normally and to focus on their face if I look at them.  Then it's easy
to smile and say Hello as usual.  As we all know, it can be so good for the
spirits to be treated normally by others.

(another side comment:  we both find it easier to make ourselves watch our
diet when we have lots of heavy folks around.  Obviously negative examples
work better for us than positive ones!  We're moving to an area with more
thin folks, but that's due to the isolation which we also will be dealing
with.  Hopefully, we'll keep the controls on!  LOL I kow I'll be introducing
some new and unusual dishes (in their minds) to the potlucks!)

> I personally have no regrets and only wish it was available when I was a
> child. My life would have been completely different.

from what we've seen here, I say you turned out pretty darned good
regardless.  :)
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Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 20:27 GMT
>a side note -- I currently live in an area where there are MANY morbidly
>obese people around town.  Even with my level of knowledge about not staring,
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>from what we've seen here, I say you turned out pretty darned good
>regardless.  :)

Thank you again, Nann.

One of the things I am dealing with handling right now is when people
say things like, "You are going to be so handsome when you get all the
weight off." I know they mean it as a compliment and a form of
support, but it also happens to be an insult on my current appearance.
It is difficult to not make some smart comment back, but I try to keep
in mind that they are just ignorant and not being mean on purpose.

The other comment is when they say, "Hi skinny." I am not skinny. I
may have lost over 190 pounds but I still weigh over 350 pounds. Maybe
it's just me and I'm being too sensitive, but I find calling an obese
person skinny to be no different than calling them fatty.

Good luck with your move and hopefully you and your husband are able
to continue losing weight in your new home.

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Char - 22 Jul 2004 21:52 GMT
>The other comment is when they say, "Hi skinny." I am not skinny. I
>may have lost over 190 pounds but I still weigh over 350 pounds. Maybe
>it's just me and I'm being too sensitive

You got it.  You are being too sensitive.  And I am morbidly obese myself, so
dont think it is some normal sized person making light of your feelings.
A year and a half or so ago, I looked into having the bypass surgery, but our
insurance plan expressly denied surgery for weight loss.  And I have continued
to gain over that period of time.  15mg of pred daily didnt help, either.  I
wont mention how much I weigh (it shocks even me!)  But with medicares new
attitude toward the surgery, I think our insurance plan is going to have to
make some adjustments, and hopefully will soon cover the surgery.  In the
meantime, I think I am quite possibly outside the upper limit for the surgery,
so am undertaking the South Beach Diet to try to get some of that  weight off.

What I am trying to get around to saying is, when I am out in public I speak to
people and small children, just as I always have, and almost always get a
positive response.  I dont recognize that person I see in the mirror.  That
isnt me.  So I dont look.

I think people mirror our attitudes about our selves.  For the most part,
people are pleasant and friendly, and I think you are reading too many sinister
conotations into things they say.
Char

"Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green
Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 03:37 GMT
>>The other comment is when they say, "Hi skinny." I am not skinny. I
>>may have lost over 190 pounds but I still weigh over 350 pounds. Maybe
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>
>"Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green

I agree that I am probably reading more into their words than people
may mean. Some of the people making the comments are friends who I
believe would never intentionally hurt me. I agree it is me who has
issues surrounding my weight. It is difficult to overcome what we are
taught as children. I was taught that I am not as good as other people
and unworthy of love based on how much I weigh. No matter how much I
intellectualize my feelings, I still can't leave them in the past.
Hence, the problem I am facing with people attempting to compliment me
and my biases also viewing the insult hidden within.

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Kelly Cobb - 23 Jul 2004 03:52 GMT
> On 22 Jul 2004 20:52:01 GMT, >
> I agree that I am probably reading more into their words than people
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> --
> Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Kyoshi, I am always impressed by your ability to see the opposite veiwpoint
and consider it before jumping off the handle with an angry response.

I have to say that I would likely have made the same type of comment that
your supporters have, totally not getting that it was hurtful to you. We are
conditioned to find fit people more attractive and your friends were trying
to show that they believe you are well on your way to being what society
considers attractive. I guess it's supposed to be a compliment.

Please educate me...what sort of positive reinforcement would you consider
appropriate, without sounding offensive? I have several co-workers, etc.
that are currently trying to lose weight, one of which needs to lose over
100 pounds. I did know her at a much lower weight and she truly will be very
attractive when the excess weight is gone, plus she will reduce the large
amount of insulin she is now having to use each day.

Kelly C.;o)
Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 20:26 GMT
>Kyoshi, I am always impressed by your ability to see the opposite veiwpoint
>and consider it before jumping off the handle with an angry response.
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>
>Kelly C.;o)

You bring up a good question, Kelly. I'm guessing the answer is going
to differ for each person you encounter. What is offensive to me may
be a compliment to someone else.

I have very low self-esteem. Therefore, I have a problem with
accepting any compliments about my appearance. My image of myself is
more on the grotesque side. That makes it hard for me to accept
compliments about my appearance. It has also interfered with every
relationship I've been in because I find it hard/impossible to believe
that anyone could be attracted to me. But that's a whole different
counseling session. <g>

The compliments that don't bother me involve praise for my willpower
or other attitudinal and behavioral type comments.

Thank you again for your kind words. I wish your friends luck with
their weight loss. The difference in severity of health issues alone
is well worth the effort.

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Jo Firey - 23 Jul 2004 06:29 GMT
> >>The other comment is when they say, "Hi skinny." I am not skinny. I
> >>may have lost over 190 pounds but I still weigh over 350 pounds. Maybe
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> Hence, the problem I am facing with people attempting to compliment me
> and my biases also viewing the insult hidden within.

You just need to work on being kind to yourself.  Then its easier to believe
others when they are kind as well.

And we are taught many things in life, or at least we learn many things in
life that aren't necessarily so.  Not just about self worth and self image.
About many things.  Letting go of what is useless is just a part of the
process.

Jo
Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 20:45 GMT
>You just need to work on being kind to yourself.  Then its easier to believe
>others when they are kind as well.
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>
>Jo

Hi Jo.

I used negative reinforcement when I first started losing weight. I
would stand in front of the mirror and tell my image how I felt about
myself. It worked quite well. Although, it became difficult to stay
negative after losing the first hundred pounds. And soon after that is
when I got stuck in my weight loss program. Luckily, the surgery came
soon after getting stuck.

I agree that I have a lot of things to let go of from my past. I am
hoping that most of them go away as the weight continues to disappear.
If not, I will need to admit defeat and enter into counseling. But my
focus must remain on weight loss right now. Stuff brought out in
counseling might interfere with that since part of my eating disorder
is binge eating based on emotions.

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
donnah - 24 Jul 2004 14:28 GMT
Kiyoshi, just from my own experience...
Entering into counseling to deal with any issue is not defeat...it's a
challenge to face and overcome what led us to any negative
actions...whether food, drink, drugs,etc. But I understand that your
focus must be on your weight loss and health, and many things will
fade as you feel better and healthier--but there may be things that
still need to be dealt with.
good luck
donnah

> >You just need to work on being kind to yourself.  Then its easier to believe
> >others when they are kind as well.
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
>    circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Kiyoshi Anrui - 25 Jul 2004 18:46 GMT
>Kiyoshi, just from my own experience...
>Entering into counseling to deal with any issue is not defeat...it's a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>good luck
>donnah

Once again, you are correct, donnah. People who enter counseling
should never consider it as defeat but instead as an opportunity at a
new beginning. It was a poor choice of words on my part. It must have
been the maleness in me coming out with that attitude of needing help
being perceived as a weakness. Everyone needs help in many areas of
their lives. Thank you for sharing your wisdom with me again.

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
donnah - 25 Jul 2004 20:23 GMT
(((Kiyoshi)))...you are my man! <g>
I think many men and women do consider it a sign of weakness to seek
counseling and so they continue to suffer...
For me, counseling released me from hell...sexual abuse issues from a
male relative and the experiences so many nurses endured during the
Vietnam war. And, yes, talking with my nursing sisters and other vets
helped tremendously--but it took a professional (objective!) to help
me see things in more clearly.
Sigh, I share no wisdom, my friend, only life experience...but I do
thank you for saying it.
donnah

> >Kiyoshi, just from my own experience...
> >Entering into counseling to deal with any issue is not defeat...it's a
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
>    circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Nann Bell - 22 Jul 2004 15:42 GMT
> Thank you, Nann. Good luck with getting your husband to stay on track
> with eating properly. If he fails, he and I could always trade
> clothing as I lose weight and he gains it. <g>

God forbid!  not that I have any objection to your clothing, of course, but
he's a big enough boy now.  Age and high school football in the early 60s
have taken a real toll on his knees and weight was a factor in his mom's
death at 68, so he knows to watch it.  LOL  We both have a combo of German
and Scottish ancestors, groups that could pack on the weight for harsh
conditions.  Haven't evolved out of that yet  <g>

smartest thing I've done is to keep a container of sliced cucumbers in the
'frig with lemon juice and a touch of salt.  Works great for snacks and
lunchtime side dishes until we reach the veggie-logged point.

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Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 20:04 GMT
>> Thank you, Nann. Good luck with getting your husband to stay on track
>> with eating properly. If he fails, he and I could always trade
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>'frig with lemon juice and a touch of salt.  Works great for snacks and
>lunchtime side dishes until we reach the veggie-logged point.

I have a great-great grandmother who weighed over 300 pounds. My
immediate blood relations (siblings and parents) all have/had weight
problems too. I believe there is a genetic factor in all of this.
However, I'm not sure where I believe that genetic factor to enter
into the picture.

There is current research ongoing concerning a hormone that is
produced in the first six inches of the small intestine that when
given in excess to rats causes them to become obese. When deprived of
this hormone, the rats either stayed normal or became anemic. It
suggested that this hormone determines level of satisfaction when
eating. If too much of the hormone is created, you never feel
satisfied no matter how much you eat. Too little of the hormone and
you can eat very little but still get that satisfied feeling as if you
just ate a full meal.

I mention this research because the gastric bypass surgery I just had
leaves the first six inches of small intestine attached to the bottom
of the stomach they are disconnecting. The stomach is re-attached
utilizing those six inches of small intestine. However, it is much
farther along with small intestine using a Y intersection. Theory
suggests that because the hormone is being created farther down the
small intestine that it has less impact. Therefore, I experience
satisfaction even though eating smaller amounts of food.

I kind of believe this theory because before surgery I could (and did)
eat until I would throw up and still not feel satisfied and still
experience food cravings. I haven't had a real food craving since
having the surgery (well, except for water during those three weeks of
nothing by mouth). I can eat a few bite and put the rest away for
another meal. That seldom happened prior to surgery. So, there is
something going on with this feeling satisfied stuff and I figure the
current research may be the answer for me personally. If the research
pans out, people in the future may never have to get the surgery but
instead just take a pill that suppresses the hormone in question.

If anyone is interested in reading the research, let me know and I'll
see if I can find it again.

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
tinlizzie - 22 Jul 2004 22:54 GMT
Kiyoshi
I would be real interested in that research as I have that problem of not
knowing when to quit.
To email me take the eights out
Lorrie F
Kiyoshi Anrui wrote in message ...
>--------Snipped------------
>However, I'm not sure where I believe that genetic factor to enter
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
>   circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 04:04 GMT
>Kiyoshi
>I would be real interested in that research as I have that problem of not
>knowing when to quit.
>To email me take the eights out
>Lorrie F

http://in.news.yahoo.com/040718/139/2f0sv.html

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040712/hl_nm/hormones_obesity_dc_1

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3889185.stm

http://www.hhmi.org/news/friedman5.html

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
tinlizzie - 23 Jul 2004 08:01 GMT
Thank you very much.  You have done very well and worked very hard to lose
that much weight.  I've lost 125 lbs. but the eating to excess problem is
still there and doesn't seem to be triggered by an emotional thing.  I will
get busy and read up on the sites you gave me.
Lorrie F
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>>Kiyoshi
>>I would be real interested in that research as I have that problem of not
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
>   circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 20:54 GMT
>Thank you very much.  You have done very well and worked very hard to lose
>that much weight.  I've lost 125 lbs. but the eating to excess problem is
>still there and doesn't seem to be triggered by an emotional thing.  I will
>get busy and read up on the sites you gave me.
>Lorrie F

Hi Lorrie.

My eating disorder is multi-dimensional. I do the binge eating based
on emotion. But I also have the satisfaction problem discussed in the
articles. Plus, my perception of portions, size of bites, and speed of
eating are all distorted too. Even now, I am continuing to prepare
more food than I can eat. The difference is that I used to go ahead
and eat all of what I made and now I put the extra away once I feel
full and satisfied.

You've done great on your weight loss, Lorrie. People who can eat one
piece of chocolate or one cookie or one hamburger and be satisfied
probably can't completely appreciate the feelings we are talking
about. It must have been to lose that 125 pounds while dealing with
the feelings of never getting enough food no matter how much you eat.
Hang in there. You can do it.

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
donnah - 21 Jul 2004 19:35 GMT
WOW, that is great, Kiyoshi! I am so glad that you are doing well...
I've lost about 25 lbs on the "Don't Doo Diet" <g>
but I finish the antibiotics on Thursday (YES!) and the doc has added
a bit more protein and some veggies to my diet--so far, so good! and I
am superstitious enough to say "knock on wood"...LOL...did find out
the hard way that I can't do chocolate candy and it was one tiny piece
of it!
Home PT visits end on Thursday also...I'm still at 110 degrees but she
feels if I keep at it (and rocking) that I can increase it some.
I am so anxious to drive!! But that is a sign that I feel well enough
to think about going out <g>
Keep up the good work, Kiyoshi...you have been an inspiration to
me...thank you!
donnah

> >how true, Kiyoshi...
> >and how are you feeling???
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
>    circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 05:18 GMT
>WOW, that is great, Kiyoshi! I am so glad that you are doing well...
>I've lost about 25 lbs on the "Don't Doo Diet" <g>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>me...thank you!
>donnah

Thank you, Donnah. It sounds like you have a good start going on
losing some weight. For me, getting started was the hardest part. I'm
a professional procrastinator. <g> The "diet" I'm on requires that I
start every meal with protein. That is the only required food I have
to eat. Other than protein, I guess I get all the other nutrients and
vitamins in supplements. Good luck with continuing your weight loss.
It will be nice to get off the antibiotics. Have you been eating your
yogurt with cultures to avoid yeast infection in your mouth? That's
the one thing I dislike about taking antibiotics; I get tired of
eating all that yogurt by the end of the first week. Are you happy or
sad that PT is ending? I know what you mean about driving. Luckily, I
was feeling poorly enough after surgery that wanting to drive wasn't
an issue. Hang in there, Donnah. Life can get better once we learn to
deal with our problems in a constructive manner.

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Jo Firey - 22 Jul 2004 05:44 GMT
There is a mouth wash that is a big help with keeping you from getting yeast
in your mouth.  Otherwise known as Thrush.  Ask your doctor about it.

When what you can eat is limited, its a shame to spend that limit on yogurt
you don't enjoy.

I had to watch it when I was taking a lot of inhaled medications for asthma.
Not always as good as I needed to be about rinsing my mouth etc.  So the
mouthwash was a big help when I'd get in trouble.

Jo

> >WOW, that is great, Kiyoshi! I am so glad that you are doing well...
> >I've lost about 25 lbs on the "Don't Doo Diet" <g>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
>    circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 06:24 GMT
>There is a mouth wash that is a big help with keeping you from getting yeast
>in your mouth.  Otherwise known as Thrush.  Ask your doctor about it.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Jo

I use Advair twice per day and have been lucky to not have any
problems. I'm not on any antibiotics right now, so can eat yogurt once
in awhile and still enjoy it. It's just that every day stuff that gets
boring. I find now that eating yogurt once in awhile helps with those
times when I am having a sweet tooth. Of course, the yogurt I eat has
to be made with Splenda since I can't handle the sugar. That limits my
choices. But two out of three of my favorite flavors are available...
Cherry Vanilla and Peach. They didn't have Black Cherry available
though. It could just be that store. I might try a different store
next time. Thanks for the heads up on the mouth wash. I'll ask my
doctor about it next time he puts me on antibiotics.

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Nann Bell - 22 Jul 2004 15:58 GMT
> I find now that eating yogurt once in awhile helps with those
> times when I am having a sweet tooth.

Can you drink soda pop at all?  I just discovered Faygo diet Key Lime Pie
soda.  I know, it sounds awful, but it is really good.  Tastes like Key Lime
Pie, including the crust.  From Faygo's viewpoint, the problem is we only
need a sip or two at a time.  LOL it took 2 of us 4 days to finish a 20 ounce
bottle.

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Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 20:29 GMT
>> I find now that eating yogurt once in awhile helps with those
>> times when I am having a sweet tooth.
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>need a sip or two at a time.  LOL it took 2 of us 4 days to finish a 20 ounce
>bottle.

I can't drink soda pop because of the carbonation. There isn't room
for the soda pop and the carbonation both in my new stomach. But the
Key Lime Pie soda does sound good.
--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Nann Bell - 26 Jul 2004 04:22 GMT
> I can't drink soda pop because of the carbonation. There isn't room
> for the soda pop and the carbonation both in my new stomach. But the
> Key Lime Pie soda does sound good.
> --

I'll have to find out if it still tastes good after it's gone flat and report
back to you.....  :)  I should have remembered about the carbonation, I used
to work around gastric bypass patients.  Saw lots of wonderful successes too.

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Nanny - 22 Jul 2004 08:08 GMT
It's called "Biotene".  I used it when I had thrush. Costs more than regular
mouthwash - around $8.  Nanny
> There is a mouth wash that is a big help with keeping you from getting yeast
> in your mouth.  Otherwise known as Thrush.  Ask your doctor about it.
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> > -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
> >    circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Harvey R. Stone - 22 Jul 2004 13:47 GMT
Hang in there, Donnah. Life can get better once we learn to
> deal with our problems in a constructive manner.
> Kiyoshi -

I really love the way your mind works and how you have applied it to your
life.    We all can learn from what you have to say and thank you for saying
it.
Harv
Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 19:47 GMT
> Hang in there, Donnah. Life can get better once we learn to
>> deal with our problems in a constructive manner.
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>it.
>Harv

Thank you for your kind words, Harv. So many people here offer
excellent advice and support. We all help as we can in our own way.
--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
donnah - 22 Jul 2004 18:34 GMT
thank you, Kiyoshi...
my total weight loss in the last 2-21/2 years now totals around 100
lbs--that is so hard for me to believe! but I also gave 3 big bags of
clothing to charity because they were too big. I kept one dress as a
reminder/my own little fear factor! <g>
Doc said I can start with my yogurt after I finish the ABX--which is
today and I am so glad. Plus, he has had me introducing small amounts
of different foods into my diet to see if any of them start things
back up...only the chocolate did! blessing in disguise...
Yes, PT ended today. We got 115 degrees, but my left leg, back and hip
are screaming from the weather, etc.. But she feels if I am true to my
exercises, rocking, and walking that I will get more...I am to use the
walker for lengthy walks or going down the driveway for the mail. It
feels really strange being back on my crutches!
And still not allowed to drive as my reflexes aren't fast enough...but
that is a goal that will make me to what I am supposed to do <g>
Can we say Cabin Fever??...lol...
But, I can make the trip to see my new grandson as long as I do the
stop every hour, pump the legs, etc.! So now we are trying to get
Nick's schedule and Mike's to match for a good time.
Kiyoshi, thanks!
donnah

> >WOW, that is great, Kiyoshi! I am so glad that you are doing well...
> >I've lost about 25 lbs on the "Don't Doo Diet" <g>
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> -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
>    circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
RoseB - 22 Jul 2004 20:14 GMT
>But, I can make the trip to see my new grandson as long as I do the
>stop every hour, pump the legs, etc.! So now we are trying to get
>Nick's schedule and Mike's to match for a good time.
>Kiyoshi, thanks!
>donnah
Just be really careful, oK.
After having a dvt, and having my mother develop two pulmonari emboli
following here thr, I have a great fear of others developing the same
thing. Are you on any blood thinners? My mom had taken coumadin post
surg, but they stopped it too soon i think. Her doctor said,, "I think
that because you walk a lot you can stop." but she was not walking
that much as this was her third surgery in the past year or so. She
herseof stopped taking the baby aspirin, but htat might have helped.

Rose
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ShenMei9 - 22 Jul 2004 21:58 GMT
It is defintiely a different world out there as a fat person.  To think that a
few years ago I actually was vain, is hilarious.  Let's see-thin skin from
pred, 75 lb weight gain, buff body gone and those high cheek bones are not
where they used to be, graceful not in the picture (if i can just get up, it's
a miracle, let alone gracefully), little bumps on my skin and always the
bruises on my hands, and of course the running shoes or  orthopedic shoes
(where are those manolo's).  

Funny how my close friends who have gone through so much of this with me, are
so supportive.  My thin lean athletic family and people who I only see once a
year (like now with Cabrillo music festival in full swing) just act like I let
myself "go" and somehow a lean jock exercise fanatic wasn't ever supposed to
get fat and "if it can happen to you, it can happen to any of us"  so maybe we
had better keep a little distance so we don't "get it"

Ah well, I am at least alive.

So hang in there kiyoshi, donna, caroline, Jo-I am proud of all of you but more
selfishly, I need the role models.

m
Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 03:37 GMT
>It is defintiely a different world out there as a fat person.  To think that a
>few years ago I actually was vain, is hilarious.  Let's see-thin skin from
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>m

Thank you for your kind words.
--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
donnah - 23 Jul 2004 17:45 GMT
thanks, Rose...
I am off blood thinners now but will be able to start my gingko next
week (and that has blood thinning properties.) I use it because I
can't tolerate aspirin...
And I will be very careful!
donnah

> >But, I can make the trip to see my new grandson as long as I do the
> >stop every hour, pump the legs, etc.! So now we are trying to get
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ShenMei9 - 22 Jul 2004 21:10 GMT
Donnah,
Did you give those pounds to me (I say maybe grinning and maybe not <g>).

m
firechief - 22 Jul 2004 21:31 GMT
Melinda wrote:

> Donnah,
> Did you give those pounds to me (I say maybe grinning and maybe not <g>).

Maybe you caught some of my 15 lost pounds.  Perhaps the tradewinds
carried them from SoCal to NorCal.    <g>

... Tatercrater:  A hold dug in mashed potatoes to keep gravy in.
donnah - 23 Jul 2004 17:46 GMT
LOL...no, I spread them around the group--no pun intended!
donnah

> Donnah,
> Did you give those pounds to me (I say maybe grinning and maybe not <g>).
>
> m
Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 21:56 GMT
>thank you, Kiyoshi...
>my total weight loss in the last 2-21/2 years now totals around 100
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>Kiyoshi, thanks!
>donnah

Hi Donnah. Congratulations on your weight loss too. 'They' say that
people who lose it slowly are more apt to keep the weight off
long-term. So, keep on doing whatever you're doing as long as you feel
healthy doing it. I too kept one pair of the largest size pants I wore
as a reminder of what will happen if I screw up and revert back to
past behaviors.

Your range of motion will increase with time and exercise. Everybody
heals at their own speed. That is too bad about not being able to
drive. But at least you will still be able to make your trip to see
your new grandson. Good luck trying to get schedules to match. I know
that can require a feat of magic at times. Oh, and congratulations on
the new grandson too. <g>

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
donnah - 23 Jul 2004 17:58 GMT
thank you, my friend!
Even though I know everyone heals at their own pace, I am now in a
hurry <g> My PT said that the infection set me back and I have to
accept that and move on...not "make up for lost time" but realize that
I am actually doing very well considering what happened...
Once protein was added to my "diet" when I was sick, I started feeling
better physically and mentally...but it sure doesn't take much to fill
me up now! So I am also starting with the protein then add a veggie if
I still want more...
Amazing that all of us have so much in common...when I was still
working and at my heaviest, I learned who my true friends were...some
just slipped quietly out of my life after I told them my weight was
not open to discussion...the loyal ones said "Ok" and we let it go at
that.
donnah

> >thank you, Kiyoshi...
> >my total weight loss in the last 2-21/2 years now totals around 100
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Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 21:02 GMT
>thank you, my friend!
>Even though I know everyone heals at their own pace, I am now in a
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>that.
>donnah

It was the same for me, Donnah. I had to start over on my eating after
the stomach leak problem healed. That put me a month behind on my
recovery... and discovery of new foods. There sure are a lot of people
in this group losing weight. I hope everyone else feels as good as I
do after losing their weight. My arthritis is less painful now with a
190 pounds less weight being put on my knees and lower back with each
step I take.

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 21:03 GMT
>thank you, my friend!
>Even though I know everyone heals at their own pace, I am now in a
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>that.
>donnah

It was the same for me, Donnah. I had to start over on my eating after
the stomach leak problem healed. That put me a month behind on my
recovery... and discovery of new foods. There sure are a lot of people
in this group losing weight. I hope everyone else feels as good as I
do after losing their weight. My arthritis is less painful now with a
190 pounds less weight being put on my knees and lower back with each
step I take.

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Kelly Cobb - 22 Jul 2004 05:05 GMT
Kiyoshi, that is wonderful news! Good for you...I am certainly impressed
with your progress. It must be wonderful to be eating real food again after
the problems you had recently.

It sounds it won't be long until you're burning up the aisles at the local
dept. stores.

Kelly C.;o)
Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 05:43 GMT
>Kiyoshi, that is wonderful news! Good for you...I am certainly impressed
>with your progress. It must be wonderful to be eating real food again after
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>Kelly C.;o)

Thank you, Kelly. It is getting more difficult to stay in clothing. I
ordered a couple pair of pants a few weeks ago based on my waist size
at that time. The pants arrived a week later. They are now a little
too loose. Same with the belt I bought a few weeks ago. The money I'm
saving on food is quickly being spent on clothing. Speaking of buying
food, I went shopping yesterday and spent $44.11 on a couple weeks
worth of groceries. Although, I really liked the cantaloupe I bought
and might have to go back for more. It was really delicious after not
having fruit for going on a year now.

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
RoseB - 22 Jul 2004 06:37 GMT
Second hand stores are a good source for clothing as you are changing
sizes. In that way you dont have to spend a fortune as you change from
size to size, and can return them when you shrink out of them.
Rose
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Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 07:23 GMT
>Second hand stores are a good source for clothing as you are changing
>sizes. In that way you dont have to spend a fortune as you change from
>size to size, and can return them when you shrink out of them.
>Rose
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Hi Rose. Thank you for the idea. I'll probably have to wait until I
get down to the more popular/common sizes, but I'm hoping that happens
before the end of the year. I've been donating all my old clothing to
an agency that helps people get jobs. They have a clothing closet for
people who need decent clothing to wear to interviews or to wear to
work upon obtaining employment. I've noticed a lot of clothing in my
size are selling on eBay for pretty good money. If I had chosen that
route, I probably could have made near five thousand based on what
I've given away and the average prices being charged on eBay. But it
sounds like a lot of work to me. At least it gives me an idea of how
much to deduct on my income taxes by knowing the average market value
of the clothing. Thank you again for the idea about the second-hand
stores. I will be visiting them just as soon as I get down to
"off-the-rack" sizes.

--
Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.

Truth is not what you want it to be.
It is what it is and you must bend
to its power or live a lie.

-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings",
  circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Adelle D. Stavis, Esq. - 20 Jul 2004 17:06 GMT
So sorry all this is happening! Sending gentle hugs and prayers.

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Adelle D. Stavis, Esq.

> well well well, found out what I am allergic to finally tonight. Another
> allergic reaction. It was my shampoo. I didn't think it was it because I
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> Need to try to get some sleep now if I can.
Patty - 20 Jul 2004 20:45 GMT
{{{{Jo}}}},
   My heart and prayers are with you, always. I'm so sorry you have so much
going on in your life.
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Hoping your hills are never too steep!
Be well, Patty
 
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