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Squirrely - 19 Jul 2004 10:49 GMT well well well, found out what I am allergic to finally tonight. Another allergic reaction. It was my shampoo. I didn't think it was it because I have used that one for over a year now. But for some reason I stopped it and went back to head and shoulders about a month ago. Tonight, I grabbed the wrong bottle of shampoo. Bingo major break out again, all over face, top of shoulders, back, arms, any where the shampoo ran off my head and touched. Also my head is itching like mad so I suspect it is broke out too but have psirasis (sp) so bad there can't tell.
Our unemployment checks just ran out on the 10th. Still no job yet.
Then last tuesday dr came back from vacation and called me about holter monitor test. I have to go have a stress test done. It showed I am throwing pvcs big time and the dr thinks it is a ventricle problem.
So there you have it are we having fun yet.
Also tonight went out in garage and there are hundreds of tiny spiders running around all over my washer and dryer.
If it were not for bad luck, Jim and I would not have any luck at all.
Wish me luck that I don't have a more severe allergic reaction and have to go to ER this morning. Jim is going to try in morning to go to two places about a job. I don't want to have to take him away from that. We really need a job.
No news yet on the pelvic ultrasound. But the tech did say things looked healthy down there. So we shall see.
Also got written report on ct scan. It looks like it is showing more masses and cysts and lesions. So have to talk to dr about that one again when I see her.
I have been really ill with sinusitis stuff so that is why I was missing for awhile there. Also have been exhausted big time. Pain is still being a son of a gun also. Couldn't type much there for awhile. It is coming back in full time force in the shoulder, neck and upper back. So it makes numbness and tinglying down arms. Which affects typing.
Also I need to find out about this darn rib cage. It is starting to deform on a regular basis now. It was like weeks in between before. Now it happening on a weekly basis sometimes twice in one week.
Two drs now got to feel it when it was happening. You should see their eyes pop out. ;-) They didn't believe me before when I said the darn thing deforms. NOw they do. They don't have a clue to what is causing it, but think it is the most severe case of costo they have ever seen. I don't think it is the costo though. But don't know what the heck to think it is.
Ok I will go now, am running at the hands. ;-)
Need to try to get some sleep now if I can.
 Signature Love and hugs to all Good thoughts coming your way too.
Squirrely Jo
Harvey R. Stone - 19 Jul 2004 13:37 GMT > well well well, found out what I am allergic to finally tonight. Another > allergic reaction. It was my shampoo. I didn't think it was it because I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > So there you have it are we having fun yet. Awwwhhh, Joooo,,,, I am going to pray for you Jo. Just you. I am going to ask that things change for you. We all have tests but my goodness,,,,, enough is enough. You know that my opinion is not the important one here but I am going to act like it is....
> Also tonight went out in garage and there are hundreds of tiny spiders > running around all over my washer and dryer. > > If it were not for bad luck, Jim and I would not have any luck at all. Oh my,,, I hate spiders. I have to tell you that I am glad that is your guys job and not mine. I will do a dance or run from a spider. I will play with snakes as long as I can see them and take a broom to a racoon or armidillo and hunt wolves and coyotes buttt don't put a spider on me. I will hurt you getting away from it for sure,,, think about pay backs maybe too. LOL
> Wish me luck that I don't have a more severe allergic reaction and have to > go to ER this morning. Jim is going to try in morning to go to two places [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Need to try to get some sleep now if I can. I just want you to know we love you Jo and we will try to understand all your tests and trials. Please put what you use for shampoo is a special place and do not mix them up again. That is an order. Good luck with the job stuff. God bless you. Harv
Squirrely - 20 Jul 2004 01:29 GMT Harv,
thanks so much for the prayers, I really need them right now.
Sorry to hear you don't like spiders either but I do agree with you.
I had Jim put that darn shampoo under the vanity last night after I realized what I had done.
Yeah Harv, I know you all love me and are there for me. I am so glad. I need people like all of you to help me make it thru all this crap. I am at the end of my rope and feeling it breaking. ;-)
I do so appreciate all the support I get from this group. I send my love back to you all also.
Thank you Cindy also for your prayers and hugs. I do so appreciate them.
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Squirrely Jo
> Awwwhhh, Joooo,,,, I am going to pray for you Jo. Just you. I am going to > ask that things change for you. We all have tests but my goodness,,,,, > enough is enough. You know that my opinion is not the important one here > but I am going to act like it is....
> Oh my,,, I hate spiders. I have to tell you that I am glad that is your > guys job and not mine. I will do a dance or run from a spider. I will > play with snakes as long as I can see them and take a broom to a racoon or > armidillo and hunt wolves and coyotes buttt don't put a spider on me. I > will hurt you getting away from it for sure,,, think about pay backs maybe > too. LOL
> I just want you to know we love you Jo and we will try to understand all > your tests and trials. Please put what you use for shampoo is a special > place and do not mix them up again. That is an order. Good luck with the > job stuff. > God bless you. > Harv Cindy - 19 Jul 2004 14:35 GMT Yes Jo, Sweetie, you are having sooooo much fun now... Sending great big hugs and lots of prayers... Hugs Cindy
Nann Bell - 19 Jul 2004 14:40 GMT ((((((((((((((((((((((((((SJ)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Damn, you really have got to catch a break some time soon. This is just way too much. Kicking up the prayer machine now and I'll light a candle as soon as I get back from running errands.
Have you put any Benadryl spray or hydrocortisone cream on the areas where you've broken out from the shammpoo? Maybe that will help kick up the action of your antihistamines. I know I tend to forget about things like that when I'm feeling lousy.
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Squirrely - 20 Jul 2004 01:34 GMT Thanks Nann, Donnah, and Rose B,
I sure can use all the hugs, and prayers and thoughts I can get. I really feel like I am falling apart this time.
Nann, I didn't know about the spray or cream. I just used the benadry capsules and it helped me make it thru the night.
I did sleep Rose, from about 3 in morning till 9:30 then got up took my claritin and I think I slept another hour. But right now I feel like I could sleep some more.
Donnah, thanks for doing the vigil for me. I am getting scared and I sure could use it.
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Squirrely Jo
> ((((((((((((((((((((((((((SJ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of your antihistamines. I know I tend to forget about things like that when > I'm feeling lousy. donnah - 20 Jul 2004 15:47 GMT (((Jo))) Jo, hang in there! you have a bunch of old ladies praying their hearts out for you... donnah
> Thanks Nann, Donnah, and Rose B, > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > when > > I'm feeling lousy. donnah - 19 Jul 2004 15:52 GMT Jo, you remain in my prayers! And I'll ask COOL to do a 24/7 vigil for you... donnah
> well well well, found out what I am allergic to finally tonight. Another > allergic reaction. It was my shampoo. I didn't think it was it because I [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Need to try to get some sleep now if I can. RoseB - 19 Jul 2004 17:04 GMT Soooo sorry to hear about all the bad stuff happening in your life. I hope that you were able to get a decent rest last night. Sometimes a good rest enables you to see things in a different light. Rose @}>-->>> Please remove "Ima" to reply privately!
Nicole C. in Austin - 19 Jul 2004 17:23 GMT "Dear SQ
My my you too have such a full plate and I am so sorry. Sounds like a stressful for time for you guys- new job is around the corner it has to be. I have seen signs of life in the employment environment around here as have many family members and friends who have been laid off forever or so it seems and they are finally getting interiews with solid offer possibilities.
I do not know if you like to read but when we were going through a very large financial and other crisis I ran across an author who could really speak to me at the stress level and maybe hopelessness that I felt at the time. Her name is Catherine Ponder and I have read all of her stuff but the book I started with was " Open You Mind to Receive" I did and I did receive. YOu can find the books most easily on amamzon and if that is not an option right now I will track down my loaned out copy and mail it to you if you like.
Let us know about your ribs and other things as soon as you know please.
Warm thoughts, hugs, and positive job prayers/ energy to you and yours. Warmly, Nicole C
ShenMei9 - 19 Jul 2004 18:53 GMT Wow jo, scarry stuff that allergy thing-does anyone have a clue which ingredient it might be that is causing that reaction? Prayers for you and Jim and a little extra push for his job hunting because that has got to be stessing you out big time.
"May jo get back the amount of good luck in her life that will equal the good her presence in ASA has brought all of us"-Not the prayer but the spell in the healing box, I usually try to be a little less directive with God <g>
So i have a package ready to send-should get it out tomorrow-
Hang in there kiddo, this too shall pass-
Your sis, Melinda
M
Squirrely - 20 Jul 2004 02:23 GMT Nicole and Melinda,
Thanks for the suggestion about the book Nicole, but right now I can't afford to buy anything. I am getting worried now because I can't sit here at puter and still no sign of the other puter son was going to bring down so I could read as I was laying down. So I am running out of printing ink and paper. So it might take me longer yet to answer messages and posts. Oh well such is life.
I will let you know as soon as I hear any news about the heart, ribs, etc. Today is not one of my better days. The rib cage and spine are surely connected. I can tell it. Everything front and back is a mess.
thanks for the hugs, prayers, and energy.
Melinda,
No, I was the one that figured it out with the shampoo. I am not getting help from drs or allergist to figure this stuff out.
Oh Melinda, thank you for the package you are going to send. I will use it well. ;-)
I am getting weepy here, you are my sis too Melinda. You all here at ASA are my family. I don't know what I would do without you all.
To anyone I might have missed. Thank you all. I am not getting all the posts for some reason. I did at one time have the German server and I wasn't getting them all thru it either for somereason. I think my isp is not putting all this thru. So I don't want anyone to think I didn't thank them. I do thank you all and it does mean so much to me.
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Squirrely Jo
> "Dear SQ > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Warmly, > Nicole C Carole - 20 Jul 2004 01:41 GMT {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Squirrely}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
I will keep you and Jim in my prayers. Believe me, I know what you are going through. And now I'll give you the advice that everyone gave me...don't be afraid or ashamed to ask for help. We all need it at some point in our lives. If it wasn't for the help I got from food stamps, and friends (most of whom I've never met), I wouldn't be sitting here right now. I'd be living in tent city.
As for the shampoo...throw the stuff you are allergic to away!
Hugs, Carole :)
> well well well, found out what I am allergic to finally tonight. Another > allergic reaction. It was my shampoo. I didn't think it was it because I [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Need to try to get some sleep now if I can. Squirrely - 20 Jul 2004 07:48 GMT Thanks Carole,
I will keep what you said in mind.
Jim is going to use it up. Can't afford to throw away anything these days.
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Squirrely Jo
> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Squirrely}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > > > Need to try to get some sleep now if I can. DCHAM - 20 Jul 2004 05:25 GMT oh, jo, this is too much. i admire you for the way you keep your chin up. i'm taking a prayer workshop this week, and you are at the top of the list.
hugs,
diane
Squirrely - 20 Jul 2004 08:01 GMT Oh thank you so much diane.
I wouldn't admire me, you don't see me when I am having a pmsey moment or when I start to cry. I don't totally cry but every once and a while some tears slip out.
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Squirrely Jo
> oh, jo, this is too much. i admire you for the way you keep your chin up. i'm > taking a prayer workshop this week, and you are at the top of the list. > > hugs, > > diane Nann Bell - 20 Jul 2004 13:00 GMT > I wouldn't admire me, you don't see me when I am having a pmsey moment or > when I start to cry. I don't totally cry but every once and a while some > tears slip out. nothing wrong in crying at all. did more than a bit of it myself yesterday when I was trying to convey to Mike how much of an issue control of my life is right now for me. Of course my ribcage has been paying for the sobbing ever since. Crying used to be my weekly release valve but my ribs just won't let me do the sobbing now.
Anyway, my point is crying is what enables us to get up the next day and do what we have to do. It's a good way to let out some of the stress and pressure and to display the emotions that you have to contain to accomplish things during the day. Crying is NOT a sign of weakness.
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donnah - 20 Jul 2004 15:50 GMT my thoughts exactly, Nann! crying at times for me has kept me sane...we can't always keep up chins up...sometimes a good cry is what heals our hearts. donnah
> > I wouldn't admire me, you don't see me when I am having a pmsey moment or > > when I start to cry. I don't totally cry but every once and a while some [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > pressure and to display the emotions that you have to contain to accomplish > things during the day. Crying is NOT a sign of weakness. Squirrely - 20 Jul 2004 23:56 GMT Thank you all. I know crying is a great release.
It is just I always have felt I have to be the strong one all the time. So I hate it when I do finally start falling apart little by little. I am afraid at this point to totally let it go. Because I am afraid I won't be able to pull myself back together. Also afraid of what that might do if this is heart stuff like the dr thinks.
Donnah, you made me laugh with that bunch of old ladies praying for me. Old, oh man get out of here, I know you are all spring chickens. Just wait till that knee gets better and you will tell us about how young you feel. ;-)
Thank you all once again for being so supportive of me. It does mean so much to me. I couldn't do it without you all. (Do I sound southern enough yet. LOL)
Have I told you lately how much you mean to me. ASA is the greatest, loving, caring, supportive family to have. Yeah, I am glad I am a part of it. Thank you for letting me be a part of your and now my family.
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Squirrely Jo
> > I wouldn't admire me, you don't see me when I am having a pmsey moment or > > when I start to cry. I don't totally cry but every once and a while some [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > pressure and to display the emotions that you have to contain to accomplish > things during the day. Crying is NOT a sign of weakness. donnah - 21 Jul 2004 00:42 GMT (((Jo))) LOL...but most of us are old (over 50), not that 50 is old <g> and you are one of the best of this family! donnah
> Thank you all. I know crying is a great release. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > accomplish > > things during the day. Crying is NOT a sign of weakness. Alex Barna - 21 Jul 2004 17:57 GMT Dear Daughter,
> Thank you all. I know crying is a great release. > > It is just I always have felt I have to be the strong one all the time. No, It is Jim's job to be strong, that doesn't mean he can't hold you while both of you have a good cry. You both have my permission to cry when needed.
Sending Good Thoughts,
GramPaHugs, Alex,
> So I > hate it when I do finally start falling apart little by little. I am afraid [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Squirrely Jo <SNIPPED> :)
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Squirrely - 21 Jul 2004 20:59 GMT Dad,
this is terrible to say seeing how it is our anniversary. but that is such a laugh. I have always had to be the strong one. I guess it is like my dad used to say, you make your bed now you have to lay in it. ;-)
How is the surgery going for Sarah so far. Any news yet. I have been thinking of all of you today. I have also been saying prayers and sending good thoughts and healing thoughts. I wish the best for all of you.
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Squirrely Jo
> Dear Daughter, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > GramPaHugs, > Alex, Alex Barna - 22 Jul 2004 03:00 GMT Happy anniversary Jo & Jim.
I posted about Sarah to the ping message from Donna G. GramPaHugs, Alex,
> Dad, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Squirrely Jo --
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Kiyoshi Anrui - 20 Jul 2004 20:15 GMT >Oh thank you so much diane. > >I wouldn't admire me, you don't see me when I am having a pmsey moment or >when I start to cry. I don't totally cry but every once and a while some >tears slip out. Tears are the human body's manner of expressing intense emotions, of easing the tension inside. When we let our tears flow, we accept our limitations and frailties as human beings, and by doing so we quickly regain strength to wipe them away, open our eyes, lift our heads, and move on. -- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Nann Bell - 20 Jul 2004 23:19 GMT > Tears are the human body's manner of expressing intense emotions, of > easing the tension inside. When we let our tears flow, we accept our > limitations and frailties as human beings, and by doing so we quickly > regain strength to wipe them away, open our eyes, lift our heads, and > move on. > -- beautifully said.
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donnah - 21 Jul 2004 00:43 GMT how true, Kiyoshi... and how are you feeling??? donnah
> >Oh thank you so much diane. > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", > circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver Kiyoshi Anrui - 21 Jul 2004 03:45 GMT >how true, Kiyoshi... >and how are you feeling??? >donnah Hi Donnah. I am doing great. I've lost over 70 pounds since the surgery on May 17th. Add to that the 120 lost before surgery and it brings the total to over 190 pounds lost in the last year (began "dieting" last July). The final tube came out last week so I am now able to exercise in the pool again. I started back yesterday (Monday). Hopefully, the exercising helps retain lean muscle and speeds up the metabolism so I have more energy and possibly lose weight a little faster. I'm mostly eating canned meats (chicken, tuna, turkey), cheese, yogurt, and eggs... okay, and sugarless ice cream too. <g> I'm still only eating one egg and getting full. Or four bites of meat, or one container of yogurt, etc. Things are going well though. I'm back to working and meeting with clients which will help the financial situation. I've lost a total of 16 inches around the waist last time I measured and the pants I ordered in that size two weeks ago are already starting to feel loose around the waist. I've donated nine big green garbage bags of clothing to shelters. It's a lot of fun buying new clothes in smaller sizes. I can't wait until I can buy off the rack at places like Walmart, Kmart, Target, etc. So, that's my current life. How about you? How are you doing lately?
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Squirrely - 21 Jul 2004 08:28 GMT thanks Patty
This is great to hear Kiyoshi. Good job. Keep up the good work. I am so proud of you.
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Squirrely Jo
> >how true, Kiyoshi... > >and how are you feeling??? [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", > circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 04:57 GMT >This is great to hear Kiyoshi. Good job. Keep up the good work. I am so >proud of you. Thank you, Jo. -- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Nann Bell - 21 Jul 2004 14:02 GMT Hey Kiyoshi, it's good to hear things are progressing so well. It must be an amazing process to have the weight coming off like that. Then again... you never know what body you're going to wake up with in the morning ;) I hope going back to work and the pool help the energy. I always find recovering at home so boring......... it's a relief to just reach the point where I can drive myself again!
meanwhile, my husband has been in danger of out-growing the racks at WalMart! Finally got him to agree to emphasize veggies and fruit for a while and we're both losing veeeeeerrrrrrryyyyyy slowly (~1 lb/week) but at least we might keep him shopping at WM!
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Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 05:01 GMT >Hey Kiyoshi, it's good to hear things are progressing so well. It must be an >amazing process to have the weight coming off like that. Then again... you [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >we're both losing veeeeeerrrrrrryyyyyy slowly (~1 lb/week) but at least we >might keep him shopping at WM! Thank you, Nann. Good luck with getting your husband to stay on track with eating properly. If he fails, he and I could always trade clothing as I lose weight and he gains it. <g>
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
jb - 22 Jul 2004 05:24 GMT "Kiyoshi your weight loss is amazing. Did you have bypass surgery? If so do you recommend it? keep up the great job you are doing. wish I could do better and loose faster. I have lost about 30lbs since I have had to go on a diabetic diet but wish it was 130 instead of just 30 lol
janice Anrui" <kiyoshi.anrui@uma.no.hone> wrote in message news:epeuf0tqnn59uhopktslbjqtroha7bosdh@4ax.com...
> >Hey Kiyoshi, it's good to hear things are progressing so well. It must be an > >amazing process to have the weight coming off like that. Then again... you [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", > circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver Jo Firey - 22 Jul 2004 05:40 GMT > "Kiyoshi > your weight loss is amazing. Did you have bypass surgery? If so do you > recommend it? > keep up the great job you are doing. wish I could do better and loose > faster. I have lost about 30lbs since I have had to go on a diabetic diet > but wish it was 130 instead of just 30 lol Just 30? Just 30!!!
Do you know what some people would do to lose 30 pounds?
It's wonderful to give others credit for what they accomplish, but give yourself a little credit here. You are doing great.
Thirty pounds is a huge difference. Especially when there are other challenges in your life.
Jo
Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 06:08 GMT >"Kiyoshi >your weight loss is amazing. Did you have bypass surgery? If so do you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >janice Hi Janice.
I did have the bypass surgery. However, I lost 120 pounds prior to getting the surgery. I knew that I would gain it all back because that has been a repeated pattern for me in the past. So, I opted for a permanent solution like the surgery.
I'm only about 10 weeks out from surgery and I'm still very glad that I got it done. It is giving me a chance for a "normal" life. Normal to me is the opportunity to go out in public without people starting, pointing, or laughing; not having to worry if I can fit into chairs at restaurants or other public places; not being negatively judged based only upon looks, and other simple things like that.
I definitely do not want to become a salesperson for this surgery. I believe it is a very personal decision that should be made based on research and discussions with your doctors and surgeon. You'll hear both good and bad from people who have had the surgery. Some people encounter complications during or post surgery. Other people have no problems. Neither makes the surgery good or bad but only shows that the experience is going to be different for each person. Also, the surgery isn't a guaranteed way to keep off the weight. Many people do manage to return to their prior eating habits and defeat the surgery. So, there is still will-power involved even after getting the surgery. I remember going to see the surgeon one day and there was a lady in the waiting room who was crying. She had lost near a hundred pounds but was sliding backwards. She reported eating four brownies the prior day. Not everyone has the same reaction to sugar and some people lose the reaction over time. I'm hoping that I never lose my reaction to sugar. It makes staying away from it very simple since I don't like dry heaving for hours at a time.
A positive side benefit to the surgery for you would be the elimination of your diabetes if you are type 2. I'm not sure of the details (since I don't have diabetes) but the surgery does something to the diabetes so that you don't have to take insulin. Here is a link to an article that discusses the diabetes aspect.
http://diabetes.about.com/cs/newswire/a/blngastricb1003.htm
A positive side benefit for me personally was that it eliminated my hiatal hernia. The hernia is still there but there is no stomach acid to come back up. The old stomach is way down farther along the small intestine and no food goes through it. Therefore, no stomach acid can come back up.
You can learn a lot about the surgery and other people's experience with it by searching on Yahoo or some other search engine. I personally have no regrets and only wish it was available when I was a child. My life would have been completely different.
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Nann Bell - 22 Jul 2004 15:56 GMT > I'm only about 10 weeks out from surgery and I'm still very glad that > I got it done. It is giving me a chance for a "normal" life. Normal to > me is the opportunity to go out in public without people starting, > pointing, or laughing; not having to worry if I can fit into chairs at > restaurants or other public places; not being negatively judged based > only upon looks, and other simple things like that. a side note -- I currently live in an area where there are MANY morbidly obese people around town. Even with my level of knowledge about not staring, I find it hard not to stare sometimes. I just keep reminding myself to behave normally and to focus on their face if I look at them. Then it's easy to smile and say Hello as usual. As we all know, it can be so good for the spirits to be treated normally by others.
(another side comment: we both find it easier to make ourselves watch our diet when we have lots of heavy folks around. Obviously negative examples work better for us than positive ones! We're moving to an area with more thin folks, but that's due to the isolation which we also will be dealing with. Hopefully, we'll keep the controls on! LOL I kow I'll be introducing some new and unusual dishes (in their minds) to the potlucks!)
> I personally have no regrets and only wish it was available when I was a > child. My life would have been completely different. from what we've seen here, I say you turned out pretty darned good regardless. :)
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Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 20:27 GMT >a side note -- I currently live in an area where there are MANY morbidly >obese people around town. Even with my level of knowledge about not staring, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >from what we've seen here, I say you turned out pretty darned good >regardless. :) Thank you again, Nann.
One of the things I am dealing with handling right now is when people say things like, "You are going to be so handsome when you get all the weight off." I know they mean it as a compliment and a form of support, but it also happens to be an insult on my current appearance. It is difficult to not make some smart comment back, but I try to keep in mind that they are just ignorant and not being mean on purpose.
The other comment is when they say, "Hi skinny." I am not skinny. I may have lost over 190 pounds but I still weigh over 350 pounds. Maybe it's just me and I'm being too sensitive, but I find calling an obese person skinny to be no different than calling them fatty.
Good luck with your move and hopefully you and your husband are able to continue losing weight in your new home.
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
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Char - 22 Jul 2004 21:52 GMT >The other comment is when they say, "Hi skinny." I am not skinny. I >may have lost over 190 pounds but I still weigh over 350 pounds. Maybe >it's just me and I'm being too sensitive You got it. You are being too sensitive. And I am morbidly obese myself, so dont think it is some normal sized person making light of your feelings. A year and a half or so ago, I looked into having the bypass surgery, but our insurance plan expressly denied surgery for weight loss. And I have continued to gain over that period of time. 15mg of pred daily didnt help, either. I wont mention how much I weigh (it shocks even me!) But with medicares new attitude toward the surgery, I think our insurance plan is going to have to make some adjustments, and hopefully will soon cover the surgery. In the meantime, I think I am quite possibly outside the upper limit for the surgery, so am undertaking the South Beach Diet to try to get some of that weight off.
What I am trying to get around to saying is, when I am out in public I speak to people and small children, just as I always have, and almost always get a positive response. I dont recognize that person I see in the mirror. That isnt me. So I dont look.
I think people mirror our attitudes about our selves. For the most part, people are pleasant and friendly, and I think you are reading too many sinister conotations into things they say. Char
"Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green
Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 03:37 GMT >>The other comment is when they say, "Hi skinny." I am not skinny. I >>may have lost over 190 pounds but I still weigh over 350 pounds. Maybe [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >"Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green I agree that I am probably reading more into their words than people may mean. Some of the people making the comments are friends who I believe would never intentionally hurt me. I agree it is me who has issues surrounding my weight. It is difficult to overcome what we are taught as children. I was taught that I am not as good as other people and unworthy of love based on how much I weigh. No matter how much I intellectualize my feelings, I still can't leave them in the past. Hence, the problem I am facing with people attempting to compliment me and my biases also viewing the insult hidden within.
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
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Kelly Cobb - 23 Jul 2004 03:52 GMT > On 22 Jul 2004 20:52:01 GMT, > > I agree that I am probably reading more into their words than people [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side. Kyoshi, I am always impressed by your ability to see the opposite veiwpoint and consider it before jumping off the handle with an angry response.
I have to say that I would likely have made the same type of comment that your supporters have, totally not getting that it was hurtful to you. We are conditioned to find fit people more attractive and your friends were trying to show that they believe you are well on your way to being what society considers attractive. I guess it's supposed to be a compliment.
Please educate me...what sort of positive reinforcement would you consider appropriate, without sounding offensive? I have several co-workers, etc. that are currently trying to lose weight, one of which needs to lose over 100 pounds. I did know her at a much lower weight and she truly will be very attractive when the excess weight is gone, plus she will reduce the large amount of insulin she is now having to use each day.
Kelly C.;o)
Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 20:26 GMT >Kyoshi, I am always impressed by your ability to see the opposite veiwpoint >and consider it before jumping off the handle with an angry response. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Kelly C.;o) You bring up a good question, Kelly. I'm guessing the answer is going to differ for each person you encounter. What is offensive to me may be a compliment to someone else.
I have very low self-esteem. Therefore, I have a problem with accepting any compliments about my appearance. My image of myself is more on the grotesque side. That makes it hard for me to accept compliments about my appearance. It has also interfered with every relationship I've been in because I find it hard/impossible to believe that anyone could be attracted to me. But that's a whole different counseling session. <g>
The compliments that don't bother me involve praise for my willpower or other attitudinal and behavioral type comments.
Thank you again for your kind words. I wish your friends luck with their weight loss. The difference in severity of health issues alone is well worth the effort.
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Jo Firey - 23 Jul 2004 06:29 GMT > >>The other comment is when they say, "Hi skinny." I am not skinny. I > >>may have lost over 190 pounds but I still weigh over 350 pounds. Maybe [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Hence, the problem I am facing with people attempting to compliment me > and my biases also viewing the insult hidden within. You just need to work on being kind to yourself. Then its easier to believe others when they are kind as well.
And we are taught many things in life, or at least we learn many things in life that aren't necessarily so. Not just about self worth and self image. About many things. Letting go of what is useless is just a part of the process.
Jo
Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 20:45 GMT >You just need to work on being kind to yourself. Then its easier to believe >others when they are kind as well. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Jo Hi Jo.
I used negative reinforcement when I first started losing weight. I would stand in front of the mirror and tell my image how I felt about myself. It worked quite well. Although, it became difficult to stay negative after losing the first hundred pounds. And soon after that is when I got stuck in my weight loss program. Luckily, the surgery came soon after getting stuck.
I agree that I have a lot of things to let go of from my past. I am hoping that most of them go away as the weight continues to disappear. If not, I will need to admit defeat and enter into counseling. But my focus must remain on weight loss right now. Stuff brought out in counseling might interfere with that since part of my eating disorder is binge eating based on emotions.
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
donnah - 24 Jul 2004 14:28 GMT Kiyoshi, just from my own experience... Entering into counseling to deal with any issue is not defeat...it's a challenge to face and overcome what led us to any negative actions...whether food, drink, drugs,etc. But I understand that your focus must be on your weight loss and health, and many things will fade as you feel better and healthier--but there may be things that still need to be dealt with. good luck donnah
> >You just need to work on being kind to yourself. Then its easier to believe > >others when they are kind as well. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", > circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver Kiyoshi Anrui - 25 Jul 2004 18:46 GMT >Kiyoshi, just from my own experience... >Entering into counseling to deal with any issue is not defeat...it's a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >good luck >donnah Once again, you are correct, donnah. People who enter counseling should never consider it as defeat but instead as an opportunity at a new beginning. It was a poor choice of words on my part. It must have been the maleness in me coming out with that attitude of needing help being perceived as a weakness. Everyone needs help in many areas of their lives. Thank you for sharing your wisdom with me again.
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
donnah - 25 Jul 2004 20:23 GMT (((Kiyoshi)))...you are my man! <g> I think many men and women do consider it a sign of weakness to seek counseling and so they continue to suffer... For me, counseling released me from hell...sexual abuse issues from a male relative and the experiences so many nurses endured during the Vietnam war. And, yes, talking with my nursing sisters and other vets helped tremendously--but it took a professional (objective!) to help me see things in more clearly. Sigh, I share no wisdom, my friend, only life experience...but I do thank you for saying it. donnah
> >Kiyoshi, just from my own experience... > >Entering into counseling to deal with any issue is not defeat...it's a [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", > circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver Nann Bell - 22 Jul 2004 15:42 GMT > Thank you, Nann. Good luck with getting your husband to stay on track > with eating properly. If he fails, he and I could always trade > clothing as I lose weight and he gains it. <g> God forbid! not that I have any objection to your clothing, of course, but he's a big enough boy now. Age and high school football in the early 60s have taken a real toll on his knees and weight was a factor in his mom's death at 68, so he knows to watch it. LOL We both have a combo of German and Scottish ancestors, groups that could pack on the weight for harsh conditions. Haven't evolved out of that yet <g>
smartest thing I've done is to keep a container of sliced cucumbers in the 'frig with lemon juice and a touch of salt. Works great for snacks and lunchtime side dishes until we reach the veggie-logged point.
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Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 20:04 GMT >> Thank you, Nann. Good luck with getting your husband to stay on track >> with eating properly. If he fails, he and I could always trade [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >'frig with lemon juice and a touch of salt. Works great for snacks and >lunchtime side dishes until we reach the veggie-logged point. I have a great-great grandmother who weighed over 300 pounds. My immediate blood relations (siblings and parents) all have/had weight problems too. I believe there is a genetic factor in all of this. However, I'm not sure where I believe that genetic factor to enter into the picture.
There is current research ongoing concerning a hormone that is produced in the first six inches of the small intestine that when given in excess to rats causes them to become obese. When deprived of this hormone, the rats either stayed normal or became anemic. It suggested that this hormone determines level of satisfaction when eating. If too much of the hormone is created, you never feel satisfied no matter how much you eat. Too little of the hormone and you can eat very little but still get that satisfied feeling as if you just ate a full meal.
I mention this research because the gastric bypass surgery I just had leaves the first six inches of small intestine attached to the bottom of the stomach they are disconnecting. The stomach is re-attached utilizing those six inches of small intestine. However, it is much farther along with small intestine using a Y intersection. Theory suggests that because the hormone is being created farther down the small intestine that it has less impact. Therefore, I experience satisfaction even though eating smaller amounts of food.
I kind of believe this theory because before surgery I could (and did) eat until I would throw up and still not feel satisfied and still experience food cravings. I haven't had a real food craving since having the surgery (well, except for water during those three weeks of nothing by mouth). I can eat a few bite and put the rest away for another meal. That seldom happened prior to surgery. So, there is something going on with this feeling satisfied stuff and I figure the current research may be the answer for me personally. If the research pans out, people in the future may never have to get the surgery but instead just take a pill that suppresses the hormone in question.
If anyone is interested in reading the research, let me know and I'll see if I can find it again.
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
tinlizzie - 22 Jul 2004 22:54 GMT Kiyoshi I would be real interested in that research as I have that problem of not knowing when to quit. To email me take the eights out Lorrie F Kiyoshi Anrui wrote in message ...
>--------Snipped------------ >However, I'm not sure where I believe that genetic factor to enter [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", > circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 04:04 GMT >Kiyoshi >I would be real interested in that research as I have that problem of not >knowing when to quit. >To email me take the eights out >Lorrie F http://in.news.yahoo.com/040718/139/2f0sv.html
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040712/hl_nm/hormones_obesity_dc_1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3889185.stm
http://www.hhmi.org/news/friedman5.html
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
tinlizzie - 23 Jul 2004 08:01 GMT Thank you very much. You have done very well and worked very hard to lose that much weight. I've lost 125 lbs. but the eating to excess problem is still there and doesn't seem to be triggered by an emotional thing. I will get busy and read up on the sites you gave me. Lorrie F Kiyoshi Anrui wrote in message ...
>>Kiyoshi >>I would be real interested in that research as I have that problem of not [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", > circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 20:54 GMT >Thank you very much. You have done very well and worked very hard to lose >that much weight. I've lost 125 lbs. but the eating to excess problem is >still there and doesn't seem to be triggered by an emotional thing. I will >get busy and read up on the sites you gave me. >Lorrie F Hi Lorrie.
My eating disorder is multi-dimensional. I do the binge eating based on emotion. But I also have the satisfaction problem discussed in the articles. Plus, my perception of portions, size of bites, and speed of eating are all distorted too. Even now, I am continuing to prepare more food than I can eat. The difference is that I used to go ahead and eat all of what I made and now I put the extra away once I feel full and satisfied.
You've done great on your weight loss, Lorrie. People who can eat one piece of chocolate or one cookie or one hamburger and be satisfied probably can't completely appreciate the feelings we are talking about. It must have been to lose that 125 pounds while dealing with the feelings of never getting enough food no matter how much you eat. Hang in there. You can do it.
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
donnah - 21 Jul 2004 19:35 GMT WOW, that is great, Kiyoshi! I am so glad that you are doing well... I've lost about 25 lbs on the "Don't Doo Diet" <g> but I finish the antibiotics on Thursday (YES!) and the doc has added a bit more protein and some veggies to my diet--so far, so good! and I am superstitious enough to say "knock on wood"...LOL...did find out the hard way that I can't do chocolate candy and it was one tiny piece of it! Home PT visits end on Thursday also...I'm still at 110 degrees but she feels if I keep at it (and rocking) that I can increase it some. I am so anxious to drive!! But that is a sign that I feel well enough to think about going out <g> Keep up the good work, Kiyoshi...you have been an inspiration to me...thank you! donnah
> >how true, Kiyoshi... > >and how are you feeling??? [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", > circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 05:18 GMT >WOW, that is great, Kiyoshi! I am so glad that you are doing well... >I've lost about 25 lbs on the "Don't Doo Diet" <g> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >me...thank you! >donnah Thank you, Donnah. It sounds like you have a good start going on losing some weight. For me, getting started was the hardest part. I'm a professional procrastinator. <g> The "diet" I'm on requires that I start every meal with protein. That is the only required food I have to eat. Other than protein, I guess I get all the other nutrients and vitamins in supplements. Good luck with continuing your weight loss. It will be nice to get off the antibiotics. Have you been eating your yogurt with cultures to avoid yeast infection in your mouth? That's the one thing I dislike about taking antibiotics; I get tired of eating all that yogurt by the end of the first week. Are you happy or sad that PT is ending? I know what you mean about driving. Luckily, I was feeling poorly enough after surgery that wanting to drive wasn't an issue. Hang in there, Donnah. Life can get better once we learn to deal with our problems in a constructive manner.
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Jo Firey - 22 Jul 2004 05:44 GMT There is a mouth wash that is a big help with keeping you from getting yeast in your mouth. Otherwise known as Thrush. Ask your doctor about it.
When what you can eat is limited, its a shame to spend that limit on yogurt you don't enjoy.
I had to watch it when I was taking a lot of inhaled medications for asthma. Not always as good as I needed to be about rinsing my mouth etc. So the mouthwash was a big help when I'd get in trouble.
Jo
> >WOW, that is great, Kiyoshi! I am so glad that you are doing well... > >I've lost about 25 lbs on the "Don't Doo Diet" <g> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", > circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 06:24 GMT >There is a mouth wash that is a big help with keeping you from getting yeast >in your mouth. Otherwise known as Thrush. Ask your doctor about it. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Jo I use Advair twice per day and have been lucky to not have any problems. I'm not on any antibiotics right now, so can eat yogurt once in awhile and still enjoy it. It's just that every day stuff that gets boring. I find now that eating yogurt once in awhile helps with those times when I am having a sweet tooth. Of course, the yogurt I eat has to be made with Splenda since I can't handle the sugar. That limits my choices. But two out of three of my favorite flavors are available... Cherry Vanilla and Peach. They didn't have Black Cherry available though. It could just be that store. I might try a different store next time. Thanks for the heads up on the mouth wash. I'll ask my doctor about it next time he puts me on antibiotics.
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Nann Bell - 22 Jul 2004 15:58 GMT > I find now that eating yogurt once in awhile helps with those > times when I am having a sweet tooth. Can you drink soda pop at all? I just discovered Faygo diet Key Lime Pie soda. I know, it sounds awful, but it is really good. Tastes like Key Lime Pie, including the crust. From Faygo's viewpoint, the problem is we only need a sip or two at a time. LOL it took 2 of us 4 days to finish a 20 ounce bottle.
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Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 20:29 GMT >> I find now that eating yogurt once in awhile helps with those >> times when I am having a sweet tooth. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >need a sip or two at a time. LOL it took 2 of us 4 days to finish a 20 ounce >bottle. I can't drink soda pop because of the carbonation. There isn't room for the soda pop and the carbonation both in my new stomach. But the Key Lime Pie soda does sound good. -- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
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Nann Bell - 26 Jul 2004 04:22 GMT > I can't drink soda pop because of the carbonation. There isn't room > for the soda pop and the carbonation both in my new stomach. But the > Key Lime Pie soda does sound good. > -- I'll have to find out if it still tastes good after it's gone flat and report back to you..... :) I should have remembered about the carbonation, I used to work around gastric bypass patients. Saw lots of wonderful successes too.
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Nanny - 22 Jul 2004 08:08 GMT It's called "Biotene". I used it when I had thrush. Costs more than regular mouthwash - around $8. Nanny
> There is a mouth wash that is a big help with keeping you from getting yeast > in your mouth. Otherwise known as Thrush. Ask your doctor about it. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", > > circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver Harvey R. Stone - 22 Jul 2004 13:47 GMT Hang in there, Donnah. Life can get better once we learn to
> deal with our problems in a constructive manner. > Kiyoshi - I really love the way your mind works and how you have applied it to your life. We all can learn from what you have to say and thank you for saying it. Harv
Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 19:47 GMT > Hang in there, Donnah. Life can get better once we learn to >> deal with our problems in a constructive manner. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >it. >Harv Thank you for your kind words, Harv. So many people here offer excellent advice and support. We all help as we can in our own way. -- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
donnah - 22 Jul 2004 18:34 GMT thank you, Kiyoshi... my total weight loss in the last 2-21/2 years now totals around 100 lbs--that is so hard for me to believe! but I also gave 3 big bags of clothing to charity because they were too big. I kept one dress as a reminder/my own little fear factor! <g> Doc said I can start with my yogurt after I finish the ABX--which is today and I am so glad. Plus, he has had me introducing small amounts of different foods into my diet to see if any of them start things back up...only the chocolate did! blessing in disguise... Yes, PT ended today. We got 115 degrees, but my left leg, back and hip are screaming from the weather, etc.. But she feels if I am true to my exercises, rocking, and walking that I will get more...I am to use the walker for lengthy walks or going down the driveway for the mail. It feels really strange being back on my crutches! And still not allowed to drive as my reflexes aren't fast enough...but that is a goal that will make me to what I am supposed to do <g> Can we say Cabin Fever??...lol... But, I can make the trip to see my new grandson as long as I do the stop every hour, pump the legs, etc.! So now we are trying to get Nick's schedule and Mike's to match for a good time. Kiyoshi, thanks! donnah
> >WOW, that is great, Kiyoshi! I am so glad that you are doing well... > >I've lost about 25 lbs on the "Don't Doo Diet" <g> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", > circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver RoseB - 22 Jul 2004 20:14 GMT >But, I can make the trip to see my new grandson as long as I do the >stop every hour, pump the legs, etc.! So now we are trying to get >Nick's schedule and Mike's to match for a good time. >Kiyoshi, thanks! >donnah Just be really careful, oK. After having a dvt, and having my mother develop two pulmonari emboli following here thr, I have a great fear of others developing the same thing. Are you on any blood thinners? My mom had taken coumadin post surg, but they stopped it too soon i think. Her doctor said,, "I think that because you walk a lot you can stop." but she was not walking that much as this was her third surgery in the past year or so. She herseof stopped taking the baby aspirin, but htat might have helped.
Rose @}>-->>> Please remove "Ima" to reply privately!
ShenMei9 - 22 Jul 2004 21:58 GMT It is defintiely a different world out there as a fat person. To think that a few years ago I actually was vain, is hilarious. Let's see-thin skin from pred, 75 lb weight gain, buff body gone and those high cheek bones are not where they used to be, graceful not in the picture (if i can just get up, it's a miracle, let alone gracefully), little bumps on my skin and always the bruises on my hands, and of course the running shoes or orthopedic shoes (where are those manolo's).
Funny how my close friends who have gone through so much of this with me, are so supportive. My thin lean athletic family and people who I only see once a year (like now with Cabrillo music festival in full swing) just act like I let myself "go" and somehow a lean jock exercise fanatic wasn't ever supposed to get fat and "if it can happen to you, it can happen to any of us" so maybe we had better keep a little distance so we don't "get it"
Ah well, I am at least alive.
So hang in there kiyoshi, donna, caroline, Jo-I am proud of all of you but more selfishly, I need the role models.
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Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 03:37 GMT >It is defintiely a different world out there as a fat person. To think that a >few years ago I actually was vain, is hilarious. Let's see-thin skin from [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >m Thank you for your kind words. -- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
donnah - 23 Jul 2004 17:45 GMT thanks, Rose... I am off blood thinners now but will be able to start my gingko next week (and that has blood thinning properties.) I use it because I can't tolerate aspirin... And I will be very careful! donnah
> >But, I can make the trip to see my new grandson as long as I do the > >stop every hour, pump the legs, etc.! So now we are trying to get [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > @}>-->>> > Please remove "Ima" to reply privately! ShenMei9 - 22 Jul 2004 21:10 GMT Donnah, Did you give those pounds to me (I say maybe grinning and maybe not <g>).
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firechief - 22 Jul 2004 21:31 GMT Melinda wrote:
> Donnah, > Did you give those pounds to me (I say maybe grinning and maybe not <g>). Maybe you caught some of my 15 lost pounds. Perhaps the tradewinds carried them from SoCal to NorCal. <g>
... Tatercrater: A hold dug in mashed potatoes to keep gravy in.
donnah - 23 Jul 2004 17:46 GMT LOL...no, I spread them around the group--no pun intended! donnah
> Donnah, > Did you give those pounds to me (I say maybe grinning and maybe not <g>). > > m Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 21:56 GMT >thank you, Kiyoshi... >my total weight loss in the last 2-21/2 years now totals around 100 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Kiyoshi, thanks! >donnah Hi Donnah. Congratulations on your weight loss too. 'They' say that people who lose it slowly are more apt to keep the weight off long-term. So, keep on doing whatever you're doing as long as you feel healthy doing it. I too kept one pair of the largest size pants I wore as a reminder of what will happen if I screw up and revert back to past behaviors.
Your range of motion will increase with time and exercise. Everybody heals at their own speed. That is too bad about not being able to drive. But at least you will still be able to make your trip to see your new grandson. Good luck trying to get schedules to match. I know that can require a feat of magic at times. Oh, and congratulations on the new grandson too. <g>
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
donnah - 23 Jul 2004 17:58 GMT thank you, my friend! Even though I know everyone heals at their own pace, I am now in a hurry <g> My PT said that the infection set me back and I have to accept that and move on...not "make up for lost time" but realize that I am actually doing very well considering what happened... Once protein was added to my "diet" when I was sick, I started feeling better physically and mentally...but it sure doesn't take much to fill me up now! So I am also starting with the protein then add a veggie if I still want more... Amazing that all of us have so much in common...when I was still working and at my heaviest, I learned who my true friends were...some just slipped quietly out of my life after I told them my weight was not open to discussion...the loyal ones said "Ok" and we let it go at that. donnah
> >thank you, Kiyoshi... > >my total weight loss in the last 2-21/2 years now totals around 100 [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > -- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", > circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 21:02 GMT >thank you, my friend! >Even though I know everyone heals at their own pace, I am now in a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >that. >donnah It was the same for me, Donnah. I had to start over on my eating after the stomach leak problem healed. That put me a month behind on my recovery... and discovery of new foods. There sure are a lot of people in this group losing weight. I hope everyone else feels as good as I do after losing their weight. My arthritis is less painful now with a 190 pounds less weight being put on my knees and lower back with each step I take.
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Kiyoshi Anrui - 23 Jul 2004 21:03 GMT >thank you, my friend! >Even though I know everyone heals at their own pace, I am now in a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >that. >donnah It was the same for me, Donnah. I had to start over on my eating after the stomach leak problem healed. That put me a month behind on my recovery... and discovery of new foods. There sure are a lot of people in this group losing weight. I hope everyone else feels as good as I do after losing their weight. My arthritis is less painful now with a 190 pounds less weight being put on my knees and lower back with each step I take.
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Kelly Cobb - 22 Jul 2004 05:05 GMT Kiyoshi, that is wonderful news! Good for you...I am certainly impressed with your progress. It must be wonderful to be eating real food again after the problems you had recently.
It sounds it won't be long until you're burning up the aisles at the local dept. stores.
Kelly C.;o)
Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 05:43 GMT >Kiyoshi, that is wonderful news! Good for you...I am certainly impressed >with your progress. It must be wonderful to be eating real food again after [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Kelly C.;o) Thank you, Kelly. It is getting more difficult to stay in clothing. I ordered a couple pair of pants a few weeks ago based on my waist size at that time. The pants arrived a week later. They are now a little too loose. Same with the belt I bought a few weeks ago. The money I'm saving on food is quickly being spent on clothing. Speaking of buying food, I went shopping yesterday and spent $44.11 on a couple weeks worth of groceries. Although, I really liked the cantaloupe I bought and might have to go back for more. It was really delicious after not having fruit for going on a year now.
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
RoseB - 22 Jul 2004 06:37 GMT Second hand stores are a good source for clothing as you are changing sizes. In that way you dont have to spend a fortune as you change from size to size, and can return them when you shrink out of them. Rose @}>-->>> Please remove "Ima" to reply privately!
Kiyoshi Anrui - 22 Jul 2004 07:23 GMT >Second hand stores are a good source for clothing as you are changing >sizes. In that way you dont have to spend a fortune as you change from >size to size, and can return them when you shrink out of them. >Rose >@}>-->>> >Please remove "Ima" to reply privately! Hi Rose. Thank you for the idea. I'll probably have to wait until I get down to the more popular/common sizes, but I'm hoping that happens before the end of the year. I've been donating all my old clothing to an agency that helps people get jobs. They have a clothing closet for people who need decent clothing to wear to interviews or to wear to work upon obtaining employment. I've noticed a lot of clothing in my size are selling on eBay for pretty good money. If I had chosen that route, I probably could have made near five thousand based on what I've given away and the average prices being charged on eBay. But it sounds like a lot of work to me. At least it gives me an idea of how much to deduct on my income taxes by knowing the average market value of the clothing. Thank you again for the idea about the second-hand stores. I will be visiting them just as soon as I get down to "off-the-rack" sizes.
-- Kiyoshi - The reverse side also has a reverse side.
Truth is not what you want it to be. It is what it is and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
-- Miyamoto Musashi in "The Book of Five Rings", circa 1643AD as translated by D.E. Tarver
Adelle D. Stavis, Esq. - 20 Jul 2004 17:06 GMT So sorry all this is happening! Sending gentle hugs and prayers.
 Signature Adelle D. Stavis, Esq.
> well well well, found out what I am allergic to finally tonight. Another > allergic reaction. It was my shampoo. I didn't think it was it because I [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Need to try to get some sleep now if I can. Patty - 20 Jul 2004 20:45 GMT {{{{Jo}}}}, My heart and prayers are with you, always. I'm so sorry you have so much going on in your life. ------------- Hoping your hills are never too steep! Be well, Patty
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