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Caroline Marold - 10 Jul 2004 04:30 GMT
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                            DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN...?

                      All the girls had ugly gym uniforms?

                    It took five minutes for the TV warm up?

     Nearly everyone's Mom was at home when the kids got home from school?

                          Nobody owned a purebred dog?

                     When a quarter was a decent allowance?

                  You'd reach into a muddy gutter for a penny?

                 Your Mom wore nylons that came in two pieces?

          All your male teachers wore neckties and female teachers had

                 their hair done every day and wore high heels?

         You got your windshield cleaned, oil checked, and gas pumped,

                   without asking, all for free, every time?

       And you didn't pay for air?  And, you got trading stamps to boot?

  Laundry detergent had free glasses, dishes or towels hidden inside
the box?  

         It was considered a great privilege to be taken out to dinner

                    at a real restaurant with your parents?

   They threatened to keep kids back a grade if they failed. . .and
they did?  

             When a 57 Chevy was everyone's dream car...to cruise,

     peel out, lay rubber or watch submarine races, and people went steady?

                   No one ever asked where the car keys were

                      because they were always in the car,

               in the ignition, and the doors were never locked?

               Lying on your back in the grass with your friends

              and saying things like, "That cloud looks like a "

  and playing baseball with no adults to help kids with the rules of
the game?

        Stuff from the store came without safety caps and hermetic seals

           because no one had yet tried to poison a perfect stranger?

           And with all our progress, don't you just wish, just once,

             you could slip back in time and savor the slower pace,

                    and share it with the children of today?

             When being sent to the principal's office was nothing

             compared to the fate that awaited the student at home?

                    Basically we were in fear for our lives,

        but it wasn't because of drive-by shootings, drugs, gangs, etc.

            Our parents and grandparents were a much bigger threat!

        But we survived because their love was greater than the threat.

                 Send this on to someone who can still remember

                 Nancy Drew, the Hardy Boys, Laurel and Hardy,

                      Howdy Dowdy and the Peanut Gallery,

                       the Lone Ranger, The Shadow Knows,

               Nellie Bell, Roy and Dale, Trigger and Buttermilk.

           As well as summers filled with bike rides, baseball games,

                  Hula Hoops, bowling and visits to the pool,

                     and eating Kool-Aid powder with sugar.

    Didn't that feel good, just to go back and say, "Yeah, I remember
that"?

                        I am sharing this with you today

             because it ended with a double dog dare to pass it on.

                To remember what a double dog dare is, read on.

             And remember that the perfect age is somewhere between

                old enough to know better and too young to care.

                       How many of these do you remember?

                                Candy cigarettes

            Wax Coke-shaped bottles with colored sugar water inside

                 Soda pop machines that dispensed glass bottles

                     Coffee shops with table side jukeboxes

                   Blackjack, Clove and Teaberry chewing gum

          Home milk delivery in glass bottles with cardboard stoppers

                           Newsreels before the movie

                                  P.F. Fliers

            Telephone numbers with a word prefix....(Raymond 4-601).

                                  Party lines

                                  Peashooters

                                  Howdy Dowdy

                                 45 RPM records

                                  Green Stamps

                                    Hi-Fi's

                       Metal ice cubes trays with levers

                                Mimeograph paper

                                Beanie and Cecil

                               Roller-skate keys

                                 Cork pop guns

                                   Drive ins

                                  Studebakers

                                Washtub wringers

                              The Fuller Brush Man

                          Reel-To-Reel tape recorders

                                   Tinkertoys

                                  Erector Sets

                            The Fort Apache Play Set

                                  Lincoln Logs

                          15 cent McDonald hamburgers

                        5 cent packs of baseball cards -

                    with that awful pink slab of bubble gum

                                  Penny candy

                           35 cent a gallon gasoline

                               Jiffy Pop popcorn

                         Do you remember a time when...

              Decisions were made by going "eeny-meeny-miney-moe"?

           Mistakes were corrected by simply exclaiming, "Do Over!"?

             "Race issue" meant arguing about who ran the fastest?

         Catching the fireflies could happily occupy an entire evening?

               It wasn't odd to have two or three "Best Friends"?

      The worst thing you could catch from the opposite sex was "cooties"?

         Having a weapon in school meant being caught with a slingshot?

                     A foot of snow was a dream come true?

  Saturday morning cartoons weren't 30-minute commercials for action
figures?  
                    "Oly-oly-oxen-free" made perfect sense?

    Spinning around, getting dizzy, and falling down was cause for giggles?

           The worst embarrassment was being picked last for a team?

                              War was a card game?

      Baseball cards in the spokes transformed any bike into a motorcycle?

              Taking drugs meant orange-flavored chewable aspirin?

                    Water balloons were the ultimate weapon?

      If you can remember most or all of these, then you have lived!!!!!!!

                Pass this on to anyone who may need a break from

                their "grown-up" life . . .I double-dog-dare-ya!

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JLee - 11 Jul 2004 17:33 GMT
That was fun!  But seriously... do some places really charge for air now?

Janet N.

>         And you didn't pay for air?
Jo Firey - 11 Jul 2004 18:29 GMT
> That was fun!  But seriously... do some places really charge for air now?
>
> Janet N.
>
> >         And you didn't pay for air?

For a while they did in California.  Or they didn't even have it available.
Now a gas station has to provide air for tires for free.  Many stations get
around this by having air machines that take quarters, and if you complain
they will give you slugs the size of quarters that work as well.

Jo
JLee - 12 Jul 2004 05:51 GMT
> > >         And you didn't pay for air?
> >
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> Jo

Funny how different things are when you drive a few miles.  Air is always
free here, but definitely not always available.  The larger chain stations
have it, but many of the smaller ones don't.

Janet N.
firechief - 22 Jul 2004 01:05 GMT
J Lee wrote in reply to "And you didn't pay for air?"

> That was fun!  But seriously... do some places really charge for air now?

Most in California do, with an air/water dispenser that requires quarters.

However the Business and Professions Code requires all of them to
give free air/water to anyone who purchases gas.

... I got a seat belt on my computer chair.....no more ROTFL.
Squirrely - 22 Jul 2004 03:26 GMT
Oh firechief so good to have you back.

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Love and hugs to all
Good thoughts coming your way too.

Squirrely Jo

> J Lee wrote in reply to "And you didn't pay for air?"
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> ... I got a seat belt on my computer chair.....no more ROTFL.
firechief - 22 Jul 2004 05:34 GMT
> Oh firechief so good to have you back.

Oh Squirrely, it's so good to be back.

3 month update soon.   <g>

... Inbred:   The best way to eat peanut butter.
ShenMei9 - 22 Jul 2004 06:30 GMT
Hello Joe,
you were missed!

melinda
firechief - 22 Jul 2004 06:54 GMT
Melinda wrote:

> Hello Joe,
> you were missed!

Thank you for the sentiments, all of you.

I have only 600 more message to scan before
I begin a mini-bio of the last 3 months.   <g>
I've already eliminated the subjects "toe nails,"
"menopause," "South Beach/sobch" and a few
others.    <g>

... Cream rises to the top.    But then again, so do dead fish.
jb - 22 Jul 2004 05:11 GMT
Hi there stranger!!!!
Great to see you back
janice

> J Lee wrote in reply to "And you didn't pay for air?"
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> ... I got a seat belt on my computer chair.....no more ROTFL.
firechief - 22 Jul 2004 05:39 GMT
Janice wrote:

> Hi there stranger!!!!
> Great to see you back

Thank you.   I realized that my new cousin-in-law's husband is from
your neck of the woods.  (She's came to California from Georgia
in January 2002, Mary and I got her interested in square dancing,
met him in September 2002, and they were married last year.)

Now talk about it being a small world:   he and I were partners on
the P.D. before I switched to the F.D.    <g>

... Excessive mouse activity detected:  Running CAT.EXE to fix.
Nann Bell - 22 Jul 2004 15:31 GMT
> Hi there stranger!!!!
> Great to see you back
> janice

Amen!

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JLee - 22 Jul 2004 05:43 GMT
Good to hear from you again!

Janet N

> J Lee wrote in reply to "And you didn't pay for air?"
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debbie m. - 11 Jul 2004 23:47 GMT
Enjoyed this.  Brought back a lot of memories.

debbie m.
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Carole - 12 Jul 2004 02:14 GMT
OK I must be REALLY OLD>>>>>>>>>>>

>>                     It took five minutes for the TV warm up?

I remember our first "instant ON" TV :-)

>>                  Your Mom wore nylons that came in two pieces?

I wore them too...and HATED them! (I was the only one in my Confirmation
class with anklets ;-)))  I was 12.

>>          You got your windshield cleaned, oil checked, and gas pumped,
>>                    without asking, all for free, every time?

AND you got a FREE glass or steak knife!!

>>        And you didn't pay for air?  And, you got trading stamps to boot?

Aye, S&H Green Stamps or Plaid stamps...loved those things :))

>>          It was considered a great privilege to be taken out to dinner
>>                     at a real restaurant with your parents?

Yes, and BEST BEHAVIOR (what ever happened to that one??)

>>    They threatened to keep kids back a grade if they failed. . .and
>>they did?

Now the parents threaten to sue the teacher if you try to keep kids back.

>>              When being sent to the principal's office was nothing
>>              compared to the fate that awaited the student at home?

Yea, and when the teacher said they were going to call your parents, you
 never had to nerve to even answer, much less say something like
"So??????" (which is what we get now)

>>                  Send this on to someone who can still remember
>>                  Nancy Drew, the Hardy Boys, Laurel and Hardy,
>>                       Howdy Dowdy and the Peanut Gallery,
>>                        the Lone Ranger, The Shadow Knows,
>>                Nellie Bell, Roy and Dale, Trigger and Buttermilk.

The Happy Hollisters, Sky King, Fury, and My Friend Flicka :) And, of
course, Lassie :)))))

Carole :)
Ah those were the days, my friend :)
Adelle D. Stavis, Esq. - 12 Jul 2004 02:32 GMT
You are one of the few people I ever met who knew about the Happy
Hollisters!!

How about Cherry Ames?

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> Carole :)
> Ah those were the days, my friend :)
Carole - 12 Jul 2004 03:32 GMT
I read all the Happy Holllister books :)  In fact, my girl scout leader
was Mrs. Hollister (no relation :)))

I don't know Cherry Ames though :(  But I did read all the Judy Bolton
books :)))

Carole :)

> You are one of the few people I ever met who knew about the Happy
> Hollisters!!
>
> How about Cherry Ames?
Caroline Marold - 12 Jul 2004 03:59 GMT
If I go looking I might still find them around here some place. They
were John's and then Jen read them.
Duckie

> You are one of the few people I ever met who knew about the Happy
> Hollisters!!
>
> How about Cherry Ames?

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> You are one of the few people I ever met who knew about the Happy
> Hollisters!!
>
> How about Cherry Ames?

A nurse right?

Jo
Adelle D. Stavis, Esq. - 12 Jul 2004 16:33 GMT
Yes. A nurse.

They were my sisters, but she let me read them now and again.

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> > Hollisters!!
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Jo Firey - 12 Jul 2004 18:12 GMT
I remember exactly where they were shelved in the local library.  Read every
one.  Then again I started a book a day habit when I was about 8 years old.

Jo
> Yes. A nurse.
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> > Jo
Boca Jan - 12 Jul 2004 20:01 GMT
Cherry Ames! Reading her convinced me to go to nursing school after high
school. I had all the books. I also read quite a few of Nancy Drew and the
Bobbsie Twins. Anyone else???

Growing up, it was my JOB to go to school. My parents made sure I was
performing correctly. We did things like penmanship, gym, phonics and had
requirements before passing into the next grade.

College students don't even seem to have the same background as I did. Heck,
we had to take 3 years of english in order to graduate!

> Yes. A nurse.
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> > Jo
Nann Bell - 13 Jul 2004 14:59 GMT
> Cherry Ames! Reading her convinced me to go to nursing school after high
> school. I had all the books. I also read quite a few of Nancy Drew and the
> Bobbsie Twins. Anyone else???

yuppers on the Bobbsie twins.  Read lots of them.  My grandmother passed on
to us the copies that had been my mom's (I think).  Later was given a couple
of the newer (new 40 years ago!) ones and they weren't as good.  I read a
couple of the Nancy Drew mysteries, but I always solved them halfway through
the book and got bored.  Liked the Hardy Boys better!  heehee  I went through
stuff quickly though.  By 2nd grade I was reading at a 4th grade level and
continued to read well above grade level.  Fortunately, we had a good public
library.

my sister and I always found a lot of books so funny - talking about buying
their new sweaters for the start of the school year!  LOL  Growing up in
Florida that made NO sense to us!

> College students don't even seem to have the same background as I did. Heck,
> we had to take 3 years of english in order to graduate!

My dad used to talk about the dissertations they'd get that were full of the
most basic grammatical errors.  He wouldn't tolerate it in his students.  If
he was on a committee in his department, he'd also speak out about it.  What
really frustrated him though, was being on a committee in another department
where he figured it wasn't his place to challange grammer and spelling.  He
really felt that ANYONE getting a PhD in ANY discipline should be able to
handle basic grammar and spelling.

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Jo Firey - 13 Jul 2004 16:54 GMT
> > Cherry Ames! Reading her convinced me to go to nursing school after high
> > school. I had all the books. I also read quite a few of Nancy Drew and the
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> continued to read well above grade level.  Fortunately, we had a good public
> library.

We had a good library in walking distance of our house when I was in grade
school.  Had to get permission to head into the adult section (with basic
supervision) when I read out the childrens side.

Did you find sometimes reading above grade level could be "interesting" as
you would also be about experience and information level as well?  I read "A
Tale of Two Cities" when I was in fourth grade.  But my mental picture of
France in 1793 included far more plate glass windows and asphalt pavement
than cobblestones and lamplight.  Think Madam DeFarge sitting at a table in
Howard Johnson's and knitting.

Jo
Adelle D. Stavis, Esq. - 13 Jul 2004 17:37 GMT
> > > Cherry Ames! Reading her convinced me to go to nursing school after high
> > > school. I had all the books. I also read quite a few of Nancy Drew and
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> school.  Had to get permission to head into the adult section (with basic
> supervision) when I read out the childrens side.

You too, huh?

> Did you find sometimes reading above grade level could be "interesting" as
> you would also be about experience and information level as well?  I read "A
> Tale of Two Cities" when I was in fourth grade.  But my mental picture of
> France in 1793 included far more plate glass windows and asphalt pavement
> than cobblestones and lamplight.  Think Madam DeFarge sitting at a table in
> Howard Johnson's and knitting.

LOL

I had this thing for Shakespeare, mostly cause I kept hearing other people
say how great it was. I read Hamlet and Romeo and Juliet for the first time
in 4th grade. Didn't understand most of it then and wondered what the fuss
was - til I got to soliloquies within. Those I could get the gist of. The
banter went way above my head.

I was reading a Happy Hollisters book by flashlight the night of the big
blackout on the East Coast in 1965 when I was 5. I kept running in to my Dad
to ask what the bigger words were.

Where were you when the lights went out?

Adelle
Carole - 14 Jul 2004 03:27 GMT
> I was reading a Happy Hollisters book by flashlight the night of the big
> blackout on the East Coast in 1965 when I was 5. I kept running in to my Dad
> to ask what the bigger words were.
>
> Where were you when the lights went out?

I was in 9th grade and was elated as we didn't have to do our homework
:)  Mom wouldn't let us do anything that would strain our eyes. Since
everything was defrosting in the freezer, we had a big french fry party.
Luckily we cooked with gas :-))  The next day I went to school and only
my science teacher complained about students not having homework done.
According to him, since Abraham Lincoln had to read by candlelight, we
should have all done the same. It's probably the only thing I remember
about him.

Carole
Nann Bell - 14 Jul 2004 13:19 GMT
>> Where were you when the lights went out?

In Florida  :)

> Luckily we cooked with gas :-))  

when I was little, we had a lot of power outages of several hours thanks to
the summer thunderstorms.  We were the only family among my friends who
cooked with gas so we always had dinner on time!  Everyone else had to wait
for the rain to stop so they could cook on the grill.

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Nann Bell - 14 Jul 2004 13:10 GMT
> Did you find sometimes reading above grade level could be "interesting" as
> you would also be about experience and information level as well?  I read "A
> Tale of Two Cities" when I was in fourth grade.  But my mental picture of
> France in 1793 included far more plate glass windows and asphalt pavement
> than cobblestones and lamplight.  Think Madam DeFarge sitting at a table in
> Howard Johnson's and knitting.

well, I didn't read Tale of Two Cities until I was 39 and we found it in an
English language bookstore in Italy after we'd run out of other reading
material.  (this was the trip when Mike decided to take on Finnegan's Wake.  
Never made it past p. 150.  LOL)  My images were a bit different by then,
having studied the French Revolution extensively.  LOL  no Howard Johnson's.  
LOL  I did read other stuff above grade level, but frankly don't remember
what or when!  It was so absolutely normal in my family that I didn't think
anything of it.  I only remember because my teachers commented on it in
elementary school.  I must have read some plays back then because I wrote one
in 3rd grade.  Always liked reading scripts.

When I was taking Advanced Reading in high school (aka "novel-a-week") one of
the books we read was Lady Chatterly's Lover.  The teacher had us all get our
parents' permission first as she wanted to keep her job.  My mom's response?  
"Oh, I thought you'd already read it.  It's out there on the shelf."  (yeah,
along with about 700 other books!)

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Boca Jan - 14 Jul 2004 13:37 GMT
I have always been an avid reader - and it caused problems when I was a kid.
I remember when I was in 3rd grade we had a bookreport chart on the wall and
after you read a book and turned in a one page report on it, you got a star
after your name. The teacher had to add extra paper after my name to put
stars. I loved it, but I got all kinds of static from the other children. I
was accused of lying, cheating, etc...... Oh well, their loss, my gain. I
got an A in reading. LOL

To this day I read about 1 book a month in between starting up a new
business and taking care of a home. Reading opens up the world!

> > Did you find sometimes reading above grade level could be "interesting" as
> > you would also be about experience and information level as well?  I read "A
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Joan Carter - 13 Jul 2004 18:31 GMT
>Cherry Ames! Reading her convinced me to go to nursing school after high
>school. I had all the books. I also read quite a few of Nancy Drew and the
>Bobbsie Twins. Anyone else???

Yes, and Sue Barton, more nurse books. Funny how real nursing was rather
different from that portrayed in the books. Sure loved it for all those years,
though.

---
Joan
JLee - 12 Jul 2004 05:49 GMT
> >>    They threatened to keep kids back a grade if they failed. . .and
> >>they did?
>
> Now the parents threaten to sue the teacher if you try to keep kids back.

Or worse... I know several people who have ASKED the schools to hold their
children back so they would have a better understanding... or in one case so
she could teach her son a lesson about attitude and skipping school.

In nearly every case, the schools refused to hold the children back because
it could damage their fragile self-esteem... scary, huh?

I also recall asking my son's fourth grade teacher why he was getting A's on
English essays that were full of poor grammar and misspellings.  I was told
that this type of thing was not considered at that level, as to criticize
the spelling and grammar may "stifle the student's creative flow" and cause
them to avoid writing in the future.

Sometimes it is the parents, but sometimes it seems more like a trip into
the twilight zone...

Janet N.
Carole - 12 Jul 2004 06:44 GMT
I taught for three years in a high school and we were told that we were
not permitted to take off points for incorrect spelling and grammar. I
had so many arguements over that one. My point was always "if something
is worth learning, it's worth learning correctly". But it fell on deaf
ears. I was teaching religion in a Catholic high school, and spelling
didn't count. So if they told me that Moses was given the ten
commandments on Mount Cyanide or if one of the methods of safe sex was
to use a condominium, I had to accept it as correct!

The other thing that drove me nuts was that they would never enforce due
dates. I gave a term paper assignment every year at the beginning of
September that was due BEFORE Christmas vacation. This way I could read
them and mark them over the holidays.  Well, you have to know that I had
at least five or six who didn't turn them in on time. What was I told?
Give them until after the holidays! I said "What happens when they
graduate, get jobs, and the boss says that a project is due on his/her
desk by 3pm on Friday? Will they just be able to say "Sorry, I'll do it
over the weekend?"  I don't think so.  I got so tired of fighting an
administration who was only worried about keeping the kids happy so they
wouldn't leave the school (and therefore the school would lose the
tuition money).  As much as I loved teaching, I just couldn't teach
there, and after three years, I left.

 > Or worse... I know several people who have ASKED the schools to hold
their
> children back so they would have a better understanding... or in one case so
> she could teach her son a lesson about attitude and skipping school.
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>
> Janet N.
Char - 12 Jul 2004 11:13 GMT
>I taught for three years in a high school and we were told that we were
>not permitted to take off points for incorrect spelling and grammar.

This is the kind of stuff that scares me.  So when Johnny and Janey cant read
or write, because they "passed" him/her with their peers and did not require
them to learn to spell or write in a manner that others can read and
understand, who are they going to blame?  My guess is teachers.  But what the
heck are they supposed to do, when they tie their hands?
Char

"Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green
Harvey R. Stone - 12 Jul 2004 11:48 GMT
> >I taught for three years in a high school and we were told that we were
> >not permitted to take off points for incorrect spelling and grammar.
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> heck are they supposed to do, when they tie their hands?
> Char

When you figure out who they is,,,, its all about doing something about
Them.
Harv
Jo Firey - 12 Jul 2004 18:23 GMT
> >I taught for three years in a high school and we were told that we were
> >not permitted to take off points for incorrect spelling and grammar.
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> heck are they supposed to do, when they tie their hands?
> Char

I'll start by qualifying this because I do believe there are a LOT of really
good dedicated teachers out there.

However, too often it is the schools that insist on passing every one.
Schools have to be accountable, and it isn't teachers I see pushing for
that.  For many years in California we put up with a fiasco called
bi-lingual education.  Students were to be taught in the language they spoke
at home.  Even if it meant hiring non-certified teachers to teach them as it
usually did.  Even if their parents objected and begged to have their
children placed in regular classes.  In theory the kids would learn English
and transfer out of these "special" classes.  In fact, they weren't learning
English or much of anything else either.  But it went on for years because
their teachers were protecting their jobs.  And so were the teachers unions.
Of course they believed they were doing the right thing for those children.

It took a voter referendum to put a stop to it.  Strongly supported by the
parents who had been fighting to get their kids away from this special
treatment.  Like anyone else, just because teachers mean well doesn't mean
they are right.

But with a great deal of thanks and respect for every teacher who made a
positive difference in even one child's life.  You don't always have to be
right to do that either.

Jo
Char - 12 Jul 2004 18:53 GMT
>I'll start by qualifying this because I do believe there are a LOT of really
>good dedicated teachers out there.

Absolutely!  And I wasnt pointing a finger of blame at teachers.  I do not
believe teachers deserve the blame, but suspect they will be blamed anyway.

My family runs strongly to teachers.  I have 2 brothers, 2 sisters-in-law, 2
nieces and 2 nephews who are all teachers.  And I know the elders of the group
(brothers and sisters-in-law) have felt the frustration caused by passing all
kids WITH their peers, whether they are ready or not.  And creating a whole
generation of "kids at risk".

And that leaves the new generation of teachers to clean up the mess. If the
powers that be, will let them.

And on an different but but I think related note--the people who were torturing
those prisoners at that prison in Iraq are from the generation of people who
were passed along with their peers.

If we do not teach young people to think for themselves, they will follow any
"orders" given to them.  And to me, that is a really scarey thought.
Char

"Remember, I'm pulling for ya'. We're all in this together." Red Green
Harvey R. Stone - 12 Jul 2004 11:46 GMT
Hi Carole,,,,  I think you have already realized that its part of the
dumbing(LOL, I think I misspelled that) down of America and I have no
answers for you.  Its big and its sad and it hurts me to even think about
it.   I have a grand child that paid the price from it.  All I can do is to
tell him that there will always be a place for him here,,, no matter how bad
the world gets for him as he tries to make his way through life.  He has his
GED now and I am proud of him for that.
Harv

> I taught for three years in a high school and we were told that we were
> not permitted to take off points for incorrect spelling and grammar. I
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> >
> > Janet N.
donnah - 12 Jul 2004 15:10 GMT
Harv, congratulations to your grandson for getting his GED...that
shows me: he comes from good stock and he has the desire to learn and
grow and do something with his life.
donnah

> Hi Carole,,,,  I think you have already realized that its part of the
> dumbing(LOL, I think I misspelled that) down of America and I have no
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> > >
> > > Janet N.
Nann Bell - 12 Jul 2004 14:54 GMT
> So if they told me that Moses was given the ten
> commandments on Mount Cyanide or if one of the methods of safe sex was
> to use a condominium, I had to accept it as correct!

now those sound like they'd qualify as misinformation, not just bad spelling!
But it is hard to fight a short-sighted administration.

> As much as I loved teaching, I just couldn't teach
> there, and after three years, I left.

I'm happy to say that the Catholic schools around here are more exacting
acedemically.  That might be because private church schools are fairly
popular around here, not just Catholic, but lots of Lutheran schools too.  
I'm surprised they've been able to keep so many Catholic schools open as the
population isn't that large here.  Mike subbed some in the schools and just
loved dealing with smaller, more disciplined classes.

Still, the general dumbing down of America is the main reason we had decided
that if we did have a child (didn't happen) we would opt for home schooling,
at least until middle school.  It seems the main purpose of many schools is
to teach kids to behave and not question, rather than *teaching* them to
learn, to reason and to think.  I fear much of that can be attributed to the
chronic underfunding of schools and the underpaying of the education
professionals in the classrooms.  LOL  I guess you can tell you hit a nerve!  
Rant over..............

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Caroline Marold - 13 Jul 2004 02:19 GMT
That spelling and grammar thing was the same where my Jen went to
school. I would proof her paper and say, this is misspelled and she
would say, it doesn't matter. grrrrr
Was much amused when her new boyfriend [she was just 16] started
correcting her grammar. lol All I could do to keep from laughing out
loud. Jeff is now her husband and still corrects her. Good boy....
Duckie

> I taught for three years in a high school and we were told that we were
> not permitted to take off points for incorrect spelling and grammar. I
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> tuition money).  As much as I loved teaching, I just couldn't teach
> there, and after three years, I left.
JLee - 13 Jul 2004 05:43 GMT
>  I was teaching religion in a Catholic high school, and spelling
> didn't count.

Sounds like the teachers are just as frustrated as the parents.  Although we
are not Catholic, I chose to send my children to Catholic Schools because
they supposedly offered more academically.  I knew we were in trouble when I
received the first school newsletter, which resembled something a
third-grader would write.  I'm sure that these problems exist in most school
systems, though I've heard that there is now more emphasis on the basics.

Janet
Carole - 14 Jul 2004 03:30 GMT
> Sounds like the teachers are just as frustrated as the parents.  Although we
> are not Catholic, I chose to send my children to Catholic Schools because
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>
> Janet

I'm looking for a rich person to invest in the kind of school I'd like
to start. It would be a small private school which would stress things
like spelling, grammar, etc. It would also stress the strengths of
students and help them to see their gifts. And, last but not least, it
would be geared to education, not the passing of some test at the end of
the year. I hear more and more that teachers have to teach so kids can
pass tests...well, it's not working as this country is getting more and
more illiterate.

Carole
 
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