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Newsgroup Spambuster - 07 Jul 2004 05:23 GMT
Several of my neices this past holiday weekend ask me what RA was and
what does it feel like.  

Now, mind you, they are only 4,8 & 9 years old, so I was a bit caught
off gaurd especially with how to explain to them what RA feels like.  

Am curious to know how the rest of you would have answered these
questions when the kids are so young?    Maybe the next time I see them,
I can do a better job of explaining things.

I told them that RA kind of feels like when they fall off their bikes
and they skin their knees up kind of bad.  Then the day after that
happens their knees are all stiff, red, don't want to bend, and hurt to
bend and move---that is how RA feels.  

Would love to hear any suggestions of how you would handle the
situation!

Donna G
Caroline Marold - 07 Jul 2004 07:18 GMT
I used to explain it to people [not children] as this. You get up in the
morning and spend the day raking leaves in your yard. The next day you
wake up and as soon as you open your eyes, you know you hurt. It hurts
to lift your arms; it hurts to sit up,.....
Or if you have decided to wash all the windows in your house and the
next day all that achy mess that accompanies it. You just know you can
not possibly make that circular move with your arm because it just hurts
so badly.
The difference is that they will feel better by the next day and it will
be a distant memory by the next.
Pre Remicade, every morning was the day after raking leaves and a lot of
times that morning lasted all day.
BTW, I don't do either anymore.
Duckie

> Several of my neices this past holiday weekend ask me what RA was and
> what does it feel like.  
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Newsgroup Spambuster - 07 Jul 2004 07:38 GMT
Thanks Duckie!   I guess I don't have too much problem explaining it to
an adult, but had never had to explain it to a young child before.
Young children don't get it when you say washing windows all day or
raking leaves all day because they haven't ever had to do that.   That
was were my problem came in.  How do you explain it to a young child on
their level with examples that they would understand???  After they
asked me those questions, it really got me to thinking and had me
thinking most of the night about it!   Actually, it still does have me
thinking which is why I wondered how others explained it to young
children.

Donna G
Caroline Marold - 07 Jul 2004 20:34 GMT
That's why I said no to children....
My best bet would be to tell them it was a booboo that just would not go
away. Actually ran into that in the hospital yesterday. I was waiting at
the check in desk and a man in a wheel chair was waiting by the dialysis
door. A little cutie said to him, why do you use wheels? He said,
because my feet have sores which won't heel and it is better that I
don't put my body weight on them. The little girl looked blank. So I
said, he has really big booboos on his feet and they just aren't getting
better. She brightened and said, so why do you have that stick? And
before I could say anything, the man says, because of her booboo, and he
winked at me. She then says, where is your booboo. I say, it is on my
knee. The man then says, the stick is to help keep her balanced so she
won't fall and get another booboo. Little girl looked really happy and
then asked her father if they could get ice cream. Guess we did a good job.
Duckie

> Thanks Duckie!   I guess I don't have too much problem explaining it to
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Newsgroup Spambuster - 08 Jul 2004 07:35 GMT
LOL............yep, Duckie, it sounds like you and the gentleman did a
great job of getting through to the cute little one!

Good for you!

Donna G
Newsgroup Spambuster - 08 Jul 2004 07:40 GMT
Thanks everyone for all your responses and input, I really appreciate
it!

Rose, you are right, I have never had anyone ask me what RA felt like
before either, and then to have a couple of  young children ask the
question really threw me for a loop.   Had to think fast!  I'm telling
you, sometimes these kids can really test you and keep you on your
toes!!!   I have to admit though, they did really get me thinking!   But
I love everyone of them!!!

I have explained what RA is, but not what it felt like.  I really
appreciate some of the analagies you all shared and that will certainly
help me be more prepared in the future!   Does make me wonder though
what young kids with JRA say to their young friends when explaining
things at such tender ages.

Donna G
Nann Bell - 08 Jul 2004 12:56 GMT
>   Does make me wonder though
> what young kids with JRA say to their young friends when explaining
> things at such tender ages.

That's a really good question.  We ought to propse it to Arthritis Today as a
question to ask their readers.  If several of us suggest it, it might happen  
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Newsgroup Spambuster - 10 Jul 2004 01:18 GMT
Nann, that's a good idea.   Might be a good idea to not only propose it
to Arthritis Today, but also to the JRA group or chat on Arthritis
Insight.   Would be interesting to hear their responses!

Donna G
RoseB - 08 Jul 2004 16:02 GMT
  Does make me wonder though
>what young kids with JRA say to their young friends when explaining
>things at such tender ages.
Well I was 15 when I was officialy diagnosed so was not all that
young. But I hated to use the arthritis word because of its
association with older people. And I hated when people said, "But you
are so young." I tended to use the name "Still's Disease" because few
peole knew what it was and you could describe the symptoms without
anyone having a bias. There are a lot of myths with arthritis, and a
lot of variability in disease, so it was much better not to use JRA.
Rose
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Carole - 08 Jul 2004 08:13 GMT
Ya gotta tell it like it is in language they understand.

You get an A+ !! :)

Carole :)

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Nanny - 11 Jul 2004 02:08 GMT
I'd say you did a splendid job! :-)  Nanny
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Char - 07 Jul 2004 10:00 GMT
>Then the day after that
>happens their knees are all stiff, red, don't want to bend, and hurt to
>bend and move---that is how RA feels.  

I think that analogy is just about right for the age group.  Because you
certainly dont want to frighten them with tales of how they could develope it
and how you hurt all the time, etc, etc. I think you did a good job.

And when they are older, if they continue to ask questions, you can give them
more information.
Char

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Walt Hanks - 07 Jul 2004 10:19 GMT
I always say it's like having a really bad case of the flu, where you ache
all over and are always tired, but it never goes away.

Walt

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Nann Bell - 07 Jul 2004 13:29 GMT
I've described the joint pain similarly, but generally use bruising instead.  
Heh, that might be because I bruise so easily and frequently.  But I say it's
like when you crash into something and bruise up a joint bigtime, except you
have it in many joints at once.  Use that with adults, too.  I also say that
the pain when you hit a tender joint is like hitting your funny bone.

And of course I compare the fatigue to that of a really bad case of the flu
which I think is fairly common.  I'd probably just stick with one angle of
that with kids though.  You don't want to overload them with too much info at
once.

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Boca Jan - 07 Jul 2004 14:36 GMT
I was going to respond, but the analogies that everyone has posted hits the
nail on the head. Today (at this moment) I am feeling like day 2 after
raking leaves. That is wonderful! Too bad I have a sinus headache, but I'll
take what I can when I can.

> Several of my neices this past holiday weekend ask me what RA was and
> what does it feel like.
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> Donna G
Harvey R. Stone - 07 Jul 2004 15:01 GMT
> Am curious to know how the rest of you would have answered these
> questions when the kids are so young?    Maybe the next time I see them,
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> Donna G

Hi Donna,    You did it better than I did.  I did not do as well as you did.
As a matter of fact, 20 years have gone by some of my 4 kids still do not
understand.   For my two older children, they could not understand my
retiring in the prime of my earning power and if anything, my two younger
children accept it better.  They saw more of the loss of function in my
everyday life and they paid the price of having a grumpy father that they
could not talk to until after 10 each morning.  My youngest daughter thought
the best time to hit me with something was when I was soaking my hands in
hot water in the bathroom in the AM.  I realized this and started to work on
it not being their fault for my being this way.
Harv
DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 07 Jul 2004 15:02 GMT
I use the same analogy that Walt does - to both adults and children.  Most
children over 5 have had the flu or know someone who has.  They can kinda
understand.

I think you did fine, Donna.

DeeTee
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> Several of my neices this past holiday weekend ask me what RA was and
> what does it feel like.
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RoseB - 07 Jul 2004 16:27 GMT
>I told them that RA kind of feels like when they fall off their bikes
>and they skin their knees up kind of bad.  Then the day after that
>happens their knees are all stiff, red, don't want to bend, and hurt to
>bend and move---that is how RA feels.  

I like your analagy. Although I work with little kids, no one has ever
really asked me what it feels like. They have asked me why my fingers
are crippled, why I limp, why my toes are crooked, etc..
In general it seems to me tha kids take in this information in bits,
and come back with more questions. I usually tell them that when I was
15 I got sick with something that hardly any people get, and give them
a few particulars. Then they usually take a day or two to absorb that
and come back with more questions.

I actually find it easier to talk to kids because they have no
preconceived notions about treatments, etc. Whatever you tell them
they accept at face value. They don't have an Aunt Fanny who got
better by drinking tea made out of ground horse hair (lol) or don't
know someone who was cured because they did  not give up but pushed
themselves harder to exercise.I find that adults can be rude in their
questions and answers sometimes, but children are very accepting.

Actually a lot of children are fascinated by my feet and hands because
they look different. But once I explain how we all have things about
us that are different it is no big deal.

Rose
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