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RoseB - 07 Jul 2004 03:17 GMT
My mother had to go to ER by ambulance this afternoon. She was
experiencing shortness of breath and chest pain radiating to her back.
They did numerous tests and do not think it is a heart attack, but
they are treating her for pneumonia and a possible embolism. The dr.
said that the heparin was moe of a precautionaly measure, but she is
waiting until she  can get a CT scan and has been admitted.

I was a little taken aback by her doctor because I asked him what her
INR was and he stopped and gave me one of those very penetrating
looks, as much to ask who did I think I was. He looked at me for what
felt like a full minute, but may have been less before saying that the
INR was not significant since she has been off coumadin for about a
month.  I apologized for overstepping just because that is what i
usually do, but I was seething inside. She is my mother and I have a
right to ask questions, and if it is the wrong question, he only needs
to say so.

I do think that he has been thorough in his evaluation and covered all
the basis. I do think it is pneumonia, because here breathing at the
end sounded very raspy, and she had had a very high termperature.

This is not a good day for me anyway because this is the day my nephew
struggled between life and death three years ago until he finally
passed away at 12:20. Technically he lived until the 7th, but in my
heart this is really the day we lost him. So i was extremely concerned
when I heard about Mom for all ther usual reasons but also because of
the day it is and the fact that I am alone again should any major
decisions need to be made.

I think she will be OK though, given that the treatment has started.

Rose

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ShenMei9 - 07 Jul 2004 03:50 GMT
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Prayers for you and your mom

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Newsgroup Spambuster - 07 Jul 2004 04:02 GMT
Rose,

Sending prayers and healing wishes for your mom and also for you!!!   I
pray that your moms situation is easily treated and she can be back home
in no time.   I also pray for continued healing in your heart and soul.
I remember your loss well and know just how hard it can be.   Hang in
there and feel the love surrounding you!!!

Donna G
RoseB - 07 Jul 2004 05:01 GMT
  Hang in
>there and feel the love surrounding you!!!
>
>Donna G
Well I do. and that is why i find it so easy to share here.
Rose
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Nann Bell - 07 Jul 2004 04:11 GMT
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Kelly Cobb - 07 Jul 2004 04:37 GMT
((((Rose and Mom))))

Prayers for a speedy recovery.

Kelly C.
kelly - 07 Jul 2004 04:39 GMT
Rose,
Just got home from work and got your email - what a lousy day.  Is she in
Kamloops hospital or the Merritt one.  Hope she is okay now that treatment
is started.

I made the decision not to take girls to Merritt for the camp - I would have
had to handle too much and knew I couldn't do it.  Just as well as my feet,
knees and hips are giving me grief - hopefully once my orthotics and heel
lifts are fine tuned they will be better.  I have huge nodules on both
achilles tendons throwing everything off.  If not one thing it is another.
The enbrel is working though (touch wood.)

Maybe later this summer I will get up to see you.  Would love to get
togehter for coffee.

Take care - prayers going out to you and your mom.

Kelly
RoseB - 07 Jul 2004 05:03 GMT
>Take care - prayers going out to you and your mom.
>
>Kelly

Thank-you so much Kelly. Sorry you won't be coming but I understand. I
am also sorry that your joints are giving you so much grief.
Enough already.
Rose
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Carole - 07 Jul 2004 05:02 GMT
I will keep your Mom in my prayers, Rose, and here's a BIG HUG for you!
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As for the doctor, you KEEP asking questions! You have a right to know
what you need to know. I used to be afraid to ask doctors questions, but
not anymore.  I am a teacher and if a parent has a question about what I
do in class, they are entitled to an answer. The doctor is in charge of
your Mother's treatment, and you have the RIGHT to ask questions and
have them answered in a professional and civil manner (ie, without the
'who do you think you are' glaring look).  If the doctor did that to me,
I'd would first speak to him about it, and if I didn't get the response
I wanted, I'd be in the office of the hospital director and fast!

Carole :)
who learned the hard way!

> My mother had to go to ER by ambulance this afternoon. She was
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Mary Z - 07 Jul 2004 05:17 GMT
> So i was extremely concerned
>when I heard about Mom for all ther usual reasons but also because of
>the day it is and the fact that I am alone again should any major
>decisions need to be made.
>
>I think she will be OK though, given that the treatment has started.

Thinking of you Rose those anniversaries can be tough to handle.  The
Dr sounds like an arrogant jerk.  I am not sure I would have held my
tongue.  hugs -- MZ

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Caroline Marold - 07 Jul 2004 07:11 GMT
I am pretty sure I would not have but then you all knew that.
Duckie

> Thinking of you Rose those anniversaries can be tough to handle.  The
> Dr sounds like an arrogant jerk.  I am not sure I would have held my
> tongue.  hugs -- MZ
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Sonatabv - 07 Jul 2004 05:46 GMT
(((((Rose)))))
(((((Mom)))))

Love and Prayers,

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JLee - 07 Jul 2004 06:06 GMT
Hang in there Rose.  Things have to start looking up soon.

Thoughts and prayers for your mom... hope she is feeling better in no time.

I was thinking of you this afternoon... my son phoned me from your town
going to (or from?) Vancouver, and I wondered how the summer vacation was
treating you.  Hope some of our rain has found its way to you as well.

Take care,
Janet N
RoseB - 07 Jul 2004 06:53 GMT
> Hope some of our rain has found its way to you as well.

Thanks Janet.

Somehow we have missed most of the rain. What we have had for the last
two days is wind. We need the rain more. One good t hing is that it
has cooled off a bit.

I have started my next course and since I have an assignment due on
the 12th, need to get busy. I find that the readings and the
discussions are enough to keep my busy when I am not packing.

I have most of the contents of this house packed up. I was doing the
bathroom today when I had to leave to go to the hospital. I have done
most of the packing myself (yay prednisone!) but will get help with
the kitchen cabinets. I now have to navigate the maze that has been
created by the boxes.

At night, instead of sleeping, I worry about little things, like how
I will get Milo into the carrier to move him, what if none of my help
shows up on the day of the move, what if the cable man gets to the new
house to install a new cable jack and hook up my cable modem, before
the comouter does?

These thoughts and others of a similar ilk interfere with my sleep. As
Char said, I am practicing for the Olympic worrying team (Where no
problem os too big or too small). I even worry that the new owners of
this house will not be happy here, although it is a perfectly nice
house, it is just that it is in a crummy area and it is soooo noisy.
And now I will be worried about mom.

It never ends, does it?

Rose

(Aren;t you glad you asked, LOL?)

PS I will be finished my coursework at the end of August. I will then
start on my final project. I don't know if Imentioned it here or not,
but in September between the other Grade one teacher and myself, we
will have three children with autism spectrum disorder. One of mine is
profoundly affected and only communicates through a shrill scream. So,
I have decided to do a qualitative study on autism and curriculum, and
how modifications are made- whether they are adequate, etc
I intend to interview parents of autistic children to formulate a
picture of whether needs and expectations are being met.

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Char - 07 Jul 2004 09:55 GMT
>As
>Char said, I am practicing for the Olympic worrying team

Now CUT THAT OUT!!!  LOL  Honey, you have enough REAL things to worry about
without inventing them.

>I even worry that the new owners of
>this house will not be happy here,

Get a grip!!!  LOL  You are going WAY overboard!  But I know that is easier
said than done.  But try.  OK?  You really are a bit over the top here.
Char

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RoseB - 07 Jul 2004 16:12 GMT
>Now CUT THAT OUT!!!  LOL  Honey, you have enough REAL things to worry about
>without inventing them.
During the day I have no time for worry, but at night, the mind still
wants to keep on going, I guess.

I will try to be a good girl from now on. I promise.
Rose
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Nann Bell - 07 Jul 2004 13:35 GMT
> I don't know if Imentioned it here or not,
> but in September between the other Grade one teacher and myself, we
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> I intend to interview parents of autistic children to formulate a
> picture of whether needs and expectations are being met.

Taht is truly making use of a difficult situation.  Good thinking.  
Congratulations on getting all of this work done, even with everything else
you've had going on.  Good vibes for health and energy to you and prayers
foryou and your mom.  Oh, and try not to kill that doctor.  Just practice an
appropriate return glare..... LOL

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RoseB - 07 Jul 2004 16:14 GMT
 Oh, and try not to kill that doctor.  Just practice an
>appropriate return glare..... LOL

Well today when I go for my remicade infusion I am going to try get
the scoop on this doc from the nurses. Hopefully it will be nice and
quiet....
Then I will be beter equipped to deal with him next time.
Rose
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JLee - 09 Jul 2004 06:57 GMT
You ARE a busy lady these days!  It sounds like you are starting to worry
about your worrying, which is not a happy place to be.  I used to do that,
and never slept... until I realized something:

If the cable guy is there late, early or whenever... he can come back.
If you can't get Milo into the carrier... you can get help
If nobody shows up... you can call and remind them
If anything else goes wrong... the sun will still come up in the morning

Don't worry about what you can't control. It doesn't help.  And please,
please, please take care of yourself.

I will be wishing some of our rain your way... we've had some flooded
streets and don't need any more.  Sounds like you guys could use it (again).

Glad to hear you are being proactive with regard to the autistic kids... it
should make life easier for you and for them if you are well prepared.

Prayers and warm thoughts for you and your mom... and I'm hoping you can
take a 'rest day' sometime soon...

Janet N
RoseB - 09 Jul 2004 07:52 GMT
>Prayers and warm thoughts for you and your mom... and I'm hoping you can
>take a 'rest day' sometime soon...
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Thanks Janet.
Rose
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Newsgroup Spambuster - 10 Jul 2004 01:04 GMT
Rose,

So glad they were able to figure out what was going on with your mom so
quickly.   Praying that they can clear the clots and she will never have
problems with them again.   Praying also that you can set some of your
stress and worries aside and just roll with the punches.  It will all
work out great!

Donna G
RoseB - 10 Jul 2004 02:15 GMT
 It will all
>work out great!
>Donna G

Thanks so much Donna G. In general I do roll with the punches, it is
only in the dead of night when insomnia hits that I get these doubts.
I think that my mind is having a hard time slowing down so at night I
process all of my concerns. People think I am one of the calmest
people around. I think that's why some of this stuff comes out at
night when I should be sleeping.

Am down to 7.5 mgs pred so that may make a diff too.
Thanks again.
Rose
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Jo Firey - 10 Jul 2004 02:48 GMT
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> Thanks again.
> Rose

I can be about as bad as they come with night fears and bedtime anxiety
attacks.  And I used to be a lot worse.  It is so much easier to keep your
mind occupied during the day.  (Specially when you are having to cope with a
little brain fog)

When it gets bad, I remind myself that anything worth worrying about at 1 AM
is worth devoting some time to thinking through at 1 PM.  So I make a deal
with myself to let it go just until the next day and then to really sit down
and think it out and deal with it.  Of course you know what happens the next
day.  Turns out it wasn't worth a second or third thought.

When all else fails there is always my Grandmother's recipe for peace of
mind.

Whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things
are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely,
whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there
be any praise, think on these things.
Philippians 4:8

Not a bad way to live regardless of ones religious beliefs.

Jo
RoseB - 10 Jul 2004 02:51 GMT
>Whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things
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Very true.
Thanks, Jo.

Rose
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Newsgroup Spambuster - 10 Jul 2004 04:13 GMT
Rose, I totally understand.   I used to always tell one of my friends
that I wish God would have made us with on/off switches as there has
been many a night where my mind just raced with thoughts, not
necessarily even worries, and I wished I could have just turned it off
so I could sleep and then turn it back on in the morning to deal with
whatever!

Donna G
donnah - 10 Jul 2004 14:11 GMT
Jo, thank you for sharing this...
In the midst of all what was happening, I finally realized that if I
could do anything at 2am to make things better, then I should get up
and do it--'course then I knew that there was nothing I could do and
it made it easier to let go for the next day...and (naturally) there
was still nothing I could do. it did help me understand that there are
just things that I have absolutely no control over and I have to leave
it in the hands of a Wiser Mind...
donnah

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Caroline Marold - 07 Jul 2004 07:09 GMT
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Char - 07 Jul 2004 09:48 GMT
Rose honey, My heart goes out to you.  I know how it is to worry about an aging
and ailing mother.  But you know that.  Prayers on the way, kiddo.
Char

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Adelle D. Stavis, Esq. - 07 Jul 2004 13:02 GMT
Sending hugs and prayers for you and your Mom.

Keep asking medical questions. That's your job- to get as much info as
possible to make good choices and anticipate issues. Questioning the docs is
good. It reminds them they aren't fully in control. They hate that reminder.
But it's good to keep em humble.

No wisdom in 'anniversary' issues. It's sad. It sucks. It's this year with
new problems on top of those. Wish so many things weren't piling on top of
you.

Hang in there.

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Cindy - 07 Jul 2004 14:37 GMT
Rose,
Sending prayers for your Mother and your Family.
This is a sad time for you and then your mother's illness on top of that...
Sometimes Doctors can be so so aRGH...For no other words...
Hugs Cindy
DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 07 Jul 2004 15:05 GMT
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donnah - 07 Jul 2004 15:53 GMT
(((Rose)))
my prayers are with you and your Mom...
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RoseB - 07 Jul 2004 16:15 GMT
Thanks to all for your kind words, prayers, and encouragement. This
group always has a way of cheering me up and helping me through these
things.
Rose
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RoseB - 08 Jul 2004 16:15 GMT
We found out after the CT that she has two blood clots on her lung. So
I am thankful that her doc is a good siagnstician even though he is
not much in the bedside manner department. From what I have read
pulmonary emboli are not that easy to diagnose as they can be missed
and confused with pneumonia, since there is an overlap of
symptomology. She will stay in the city hospital for one week before
coming back here.

Rose
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RoseB - 08 Jul 2004 17:48 GMT
. So
>I am thankful that her doc is a good siagnstician even though he is
>not much in the bedside manner department.
Sorry, I meant diagnostician.
Rose
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Jo Firey - 08 Jul 2004 18:40 GMT
> We found out after the CT that she has two blood clots on her lung. So
> I am thankful that her doc is a good siagnstician even though he is
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> Rose

I was surprised when I did research on pulmonary emboli after I had one, and
the symptoms are usually pretty classic.  And it doesn't hurt that the first
treatment while waiting to get a cat scan isn't that dangerous as long as it
is monitored.

Sudden chest pain, or rather sudden.  Pain tends to move around or radiate
or refer from one area to another.  Difficulty breathing.  (But sounds
different when listening to the chest than pneumonia.)  Don't know about the
fever, but I know I will sometimes spike a fever when my body is stressed.
Without an infection.

Also if a doctor suspects a PE it can turn really bad, really fast so he
might be a bit abrupt with the bedside until he has someone under treatment
and stabilized.  Nearly all ER docs are poor on people skills etc, or they
would be in private practice to start with.

Jo
RoseB - 08 Jul 2004 20:26 GMT
>Sudden chest pain, or rather sudden.  Pain tends to move around or radiate
>or refer from one area to another.  Difficulty breathing.  (But sounds
>different when listening to the chest than pneumonia.)  Don't know about the
>fever, but I know I will sometimes spike a fever when my body is stressed.
>Without an infection.

Hi Jo:
I had a fever when I had my dvt, so maybe it is the body's reaction to
the process.

The nurse told me it is not that uncommon following tkr, especially in
older people. It is certainly something to be aware of. And mother had
three surgeries within a year so was pretty well run down from that.
Thanks for your post,
Rose
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Nmhart14 - 08 Jul 2004 20:55 GMT
Hope all is well soon for everyone.
Margaret M. - 09 Jul 2004 01:23 GMT
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Hugs and prayers headed your way.
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