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Does anyone know this about H1N1

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Squirrely - 03 Nov 2009 08:48 GMT
what I would like to know is where they are getting these statistics from?

If they are telling people not to go to the hospital or drs till they have
had the fever for a few days and it not go down, breathing issues, or signs
of dehydration, how would they know how many have it.

Also the same with them not testing to really see if it is H1N1 how do they
get these numbers.

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ANN M - 03 Nov 2009 14:38 GMT
I think they use a test group to get their initial figures and then
expand the numbers based on the amount of people in the area.  There is
no way to do a head count of everybody who may be sick.
We just had a second 12 year old girl die within  a week.  They were
from opposite ends of the state.  The schools have not been publicizing
the absentee count, but the health dept. will begin posting the counts
and the schools on their web site soon.  Flu shots started this week in
some schools but will take until Dec. to reach them all.  People with
handicapped kids are beginning to protest having to wait until the
healthy school kids are all innoculated.  It's getting quite scary.

Ann
Joan Carter - 03 Nov 2009 16:10 GMT
SJ, I think the secret is that no one knows. Some people never go
to a doctor, some go every sniffle. What I do sense is that it is
critical to immunize kids now. We have had two die around this
area recently, one 10 and one 13. The 24 year old was fine one
day and died within hours of getting a fever. Scary stuff.

Meanwhile we are out of flu vaccine and 'they' assure us all will
be vaccinated by Christmas. Yep. The messages we get are varied.
They keep on about it on the news.

A group of well to do people in Toronto paid about $2300. to get
flu shots. They did that instead of waiting for their turn, in
other words they weren't in high risk groups. One of the members
of parliament said they should have a special clinic for them as
they saw so many people and shook hands so much. That got
nowhere. My response to that, "don't shake hands, numbskull."

It has become a political issue.

Joan

>what I would like to know is where they are getting these statistics from?
>
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>Also the same with them not testing to really see if it is H1N1 how do they
>get these numbers.
Jofirey - 03 Nov 2009 19:00 GMT
> what I would like to know is where they are getting these
> statistics from?
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> Also the same with them not testing to really see if it is H1N1
> how do they get these numbers.

Our newspaper reported two H1N1 deaths today.  The health department
has not reported them yet.  These are two healthy people who were
not diagnosed as quickly or treated as quickly as they might have
been.  Other family members have been ill and recovered.

And there is still no vaccine locally.

Jo
Diane - 03 Nov 2009 20:19 GMT
My rheumatologist (the one who six weeks ago said she wasn't sure
about the safety of the vaccine) now says, if you can find it, get it.
However she added that she's not very concerned about her adult
patients. It's the kids that are hardest hit. from what I've read,
though, if you're under 64 with a compromised immune system and can
find the dang stuff, you should get the shot.

diane
Kelly - 03 Nov 2009 22:17 GMT
Here people with compomised immune systems are in the second wave of people
getting the shot. The first is anyone with chronic illnesses such as asthma,
the rituxan, neuro/ra category counted as I had just finished my treatment
(had to wait 3 weeks)., pregnant women in a certain trimester.  We are short
but they figure everyone who wants to can be vaccinated by mid December.

The doctor that saw my brother a month ago and my daughter in law last
friday said definitely h1n1 as it is the flu going around right now.  The
symptoms and the time.  My doctor has a full waiting room right now - told
me to stay away as much as possible, wait outside and wear a mask for the
time in the office.  I do see her tomorrow for the seasonal vaccine, the
tamiflu prescription to take to Hawaii even though I have had the flu shot
(because of where I am in the cycle of the rituxan I am to have it with me
as I probably won't be covered more than 30% with the shot) and the results
of the latest heart tests.  Will do all the protections.

They can't swab everyone so are only swabbing the worst here.  It is more a
symptom thing - symptoms bad enough to be hospitalized, bad enough to be
watched, quick enough to get the tamiflu.  And stay at home if no risk
symptoms so others don't get sick.  Avoid crowds.  Wash hands, and try not
to put hands up to nose, mouth or eyes.

It is rampant right now especially in the school.  2  of the private
boarding schools were sitting at 25% of the kids in quarantine in the gym at
one point.  Made no sense to me - they had already exposed the other kids
before they had symptoms.  Of course the vaccine was not even available at
that point.

Rose - see if you should have the tamiflu ready just in case (between
teaching and the rituxan).  My infusion clinic was quite clear on that for
their remicade, rituxan and orencia patients.

My doctor is saying she eventually wants everyone immunized especially since
grandparents are around kids and who knows how much immunity all the adults
have.  She figures it will not disappear until at least the new year if
then.  Thankfully most people seem to be taking it seriously now.

I did have a small site reaction.  But not as bad as the flu would be.

Kelly
> My rheumatologist (the one who six weeks ago said she wasn't sure
> about the safety of the vaccine) now says, if you can find it, get it.
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>
> diane
RoseB - 03 Nov 2009 22:29 GMT
okay, I will look into having tamiflu available just in case. I tend
to do quite well with many of the communicable respiratory diseases.
Last year though, one little girl coughed right on me and I knew I
would get it. that cold was particularly bad and then went into a
sinus infection. In spite of all the teaching kids are kids and they
forget.
Kelly - 03 Nov 2009 22:34 GMT
Also this one seems to be easily caught.

Kelly

> okay, I will look into having tamiflu available just in case. I tend
> to do quite well with many of the communicable respiratory diseases.
> Last year though, one little girl coughed right on me and I knew I
> would get it. that cold was particularly bad and then went into a
> sinus infection. In spite of all the teaching kids are kids and they
> forget.
RoseB - 05 Nov 2009 14:56 GMT
>Also this one seems to be easily caught.
>
>Kelly

well I stood outside in the cold for two hours yesterday (Unlike
certain NHL Hockey players, LOL) and got my h1n1 shot as well as the
seasonal flu shot. I guess there is a small window of about two weeks
before it starts to take effect. that small window may seem large, we
still have 85 children away and I start back to work this morning.
Hopefully appropriate hygiene will be sufficient. my problem is I am
just a little over 5 feet tall, so there is not that much distance
between me and them. some of them are also quite huggy, and they do
not always ask for permission first.
Donna G. - 05 Nov 2009 15:43 GMT
Hi Rose,

I got my h1n1 vaccine about a week ago.  So far so good!

Hope your return to work is a smooth one and that you are able to keep
from getting sick!  I know that is easier said then done!

We have sooooo many schools closed down here due to illness / flu and I
have 3 family members down with the swine flu.  (Yes, they have been to
the doctors and confirmed).  Scary stuff!

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Donna
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Kelly - 05 Nov 2009 17:18 GMT
Darn Rose.  It really is hitting BC hard right now.  The good thing is that
we are both in that over 50 age group.  sheesh.

As for the hockey players....don't mention that.  A red flag to a bull.

Kelly

>>Also this one seems to be easily caught.
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> between me and them. some of them are also quite huggy, and they do
> not always ask for permission first.
loujeanb - 05 Nov 2009 20:15 GMT
I was told to wait until after my dental surgery before I got the swine flu
shot, but.....I can't remember who told me!  I've been to quite a few
doctors lately.  Guess I'll just have to start with one and go from there.
My pulmonologist is probably the most likely.

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> Darn Rose.  It really is hitting BC hard right now.  The good thing is
> that we are both in that over 50 age group.  sheesh.
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>> between me and them. some of them are also quite huggy, and they do
>> not always ask for permission first.
 
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