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How do you cope with Anxiety?

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Diane - 02 Nov 2009 19:43 GMT
How do you all cope? I'm talking about the "what is wrong with me?"
"I'm dreading that medical test" "I'm afraid of my diagnosis" "I have
to have surgery tomorrow" (that one's for Gareeth) kind of anxiety. I
used to be so much better at it, and find my usual coping mechanisms
are not working as they used to. I think I'm out of practice. There is
such collective wisdom in this group, and I'd love it if some of you
would share your coping skills. I know prayer is a big one for many,
but not all, of us.
What works for you?

diane
Jofirey - 02 Nov 2009 20:41 GMT
> How do you all cope? I'm talking about the "what is wrong with
> me?"
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> diane

For me its been a long drawn out process of learning not to worry
about things I can't do anything about.  Sometimes with more success
than others.

But honestly I think more credit goes to having plenty of other
things to worry about.  For the next ten months I have no teenagers
to worry about.  Oldest grandsons are now in their early twenties,
their little brother is twelve.  For the most part if I am bound and
determined to worry, I worry about the kids.

That, and I'm sure something in the various drugs I'm on helps with
anxiety.

Last but not least, I find I worry less about the future as I get
older.  Kind of a memory thing.  To busy worrying about things I
might forget.

Jo
Squirrely - 02 Nov 2009 21:04 GMT
I find things to do to keep me busy if I can. Of course I pray and read the
bible or devotionals too to help me get through it.

but since the countdown is coming for no money, no way to pay bills, it is
not working as good.

but it does work for me to keep busy for the other things like what is wrong
with me, dreading the medical test. don't know if it would work for surgery.

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> How do you all cope? I'm talking about the "what is wrong with me?"
> "I'm dreading that medical test" "I'm afraid of my diagnosis" "I have
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> diane
Harvey R. Stone - 02 Nov 2009 23:56 GMT
> How do you all cope? I'm talking about the "what is wrong with me?"
> "I'm dreading that medical test" "I'm afraid of my diagnosis" "I have
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> diane

OH my yes,,,,and what works for me..... Its about thy will Lord and what
tomorrow will bring for me.   I can not control what takes place in much of
my life.  I do what I can with what makes sense for me and then I give the
rest to my God and my newsgroup for what comes next   and I try to listen to
both and when I think they agree,,,,, life is easy.
Harv
Nann Bell - 03 Nov 2009 00:04 GMT
First, I tell myself over and over that whatever it is, it will be ok.  
That's partly a matter of faith and God and partly the knowledge that I/we
have come through so much already that we can manage what we need to. (of
course this doesn't keep me from whining along the way!  But telling God that
I really don't want to do "this" again is part of the process for me!)

Second, I do what I can to control what I can.  I learn what I can, I do my
best to get doctors I can trust (which was a big frustration when we lived
with very limited options that way!), I remind myself of the positives in the
situation rather than the negatives (i.e. getting a diagnosis at least means
you can *treat* it,  both parents and I myself have always done well with
surgery so I will this time also, etc.) and, once again, tell myself that
even though i don't want to do whatever it is, I can get through it because
I've managed so much already. And I make sure those around me know I love
them, just in case soemthing does happen to me.

And I schedule treats for myself to help me look on the good side of life!
(we're off on another overnight to Chicago tomorrow!)

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Squirrely - 03 Nov 2009 22:47 GMT
Have safe travels there and back. take care.

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> First, I tell myself over and over that whatever it is, it will be ok.
> That's partly a matter of faith and God and partly the knowledge that I/we
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> And I schedule treats for myself to help me look on the good side of life!
> (we're off on another overnight to Chicago tomorrow!)
Kelly - 03 Nov 2009 00:18 GMT
I am not the best to answer this today as I have had a major anxiety attack
this morning over all this stupid seperation stuff but I guess since I have
it sort of under control again...well here is my routine.

First I start with breathing exercises - upping them when I feel anxious or
know that things are happening that I am losing a little sleep over.  I am
at about 8 - 10 times a day right now on those.  Just deep breathing,
expanding the abs and chest and exhaling making sure everything is out and
usually if I am at home making a humming or shwooshing noise while exhaling.

I also make lists at this time.  Worst case scenario, best case scenario.
Make sure history is all there and look at the things that are improving.
The kind of "surgery tomorrow" anxiety would be to make lists of what I have
taken care of and how well prepared I am.  For example - I leave in 14 days
to go to Hawaii.  Scooter - check, airport - phone to arrange wheelchair,
get small wheeled bag and check in large one.  Meds in sufficcient demand -
check.  Prescription for tamiflu - getting on Wednesday.  Etc.  This now
takes some of the worry out of that. What is the worst that can happen?  How
am I going to handle that.  The best case scenario - I will do everything I
want.  The worst case - I get sick and spend the week in the hotel room -
well at least it won't be in the apartment here. It will be in hot hawaii
not cold damp BC at the moment.

Relaxation exercises - I do these all the time twice a day.  When I had the
cat and dog they were not allowed in the bedroom when I did them.  My
favorite one is to lie and relax each joint first.  Tighten (not to the
point of pain) and then relax, over and over until I feel that I am sinking
into the bed.  Then I take myself into my favorite spot.  Right now I walk
along the river, watching the ducks and swans.  I take a deep breath and
smell the fresh air and grasses.  If I close my eyes I can hear the wind in
the grasses beside the riverside. I sit on a bench and watch the boats go in
and out of the inlet, silently drifing by.  The ripples in the water as they
go by.  On and on.

Sometimes it is my favorite garden area I imagine.  I make a scene in my
head, smells, sights, what I hear and always the heat of the sun on my face.

Gentle exercise breaks also help my anxiety.  A gentle stretch of all my
joints to the point before pain helps to make me feel under control.On a day
like today distraction works best.  Pat and I had a huge fight on the phone
and I must admit I was having trouble breathing after and the apartment
closed in.  It was scary and part of that was the "what will I do with this
damn disability and how will I live on whatever I am going to live on and
what the hell happened to make me put up with the past few years of
marriage."

So for distraction I got out.  Just left in my car not really knowing where
I was going except to go out and buy toilet paper.  I purposely smiled and
said hi to everyone.  Talked to everyone, got a newspaper and then went for
fish and chips - yes a forbidden food but it felt better.  I am still
feeling anxious about everything but feel I can cope now.

I think you said what I do in a sentence.  For me it is practice.  Practice
and routine every day.  It is what gets me through most things - practicing
the breathing, practicing the distraction techniques and making those lists.
By the way the lists are filed after.  Once written down and the worst
brought out I write out possible solutions then file the paper.  Sometimes
when I need to I bring out the file and realize I mastered that situation or
the test wasn't as bad as I thought.  Sometimes the solution is to research
ideas such as the results of tests - sometimes that is more than I can do as
it seems to scary.  The important thing for me is to be prepared but not go
off on a tangent (as I am easily taken that way if you read things further.
ie:  heart test - could mean blockage, could mean heart attack, maybe
surgery, what would I do if I needed surgery, how would I cope, what kind of
surgery.  All that tangent for a heart test that maybe was just
investigational or routine.  Easily done with information.)

Hope this helps Diane.  Prayer isn't a big thing for me but thoughts are.  I
guess those thoughts are maybe healing prayers but usually they are just
warm thoughts. I like to think they work the same way.

Kelly

> How do you all cope? I'm talking about the "what is wrong with me?"
> "I'm dreading that medical test" "I'm afraid of my diagnosis" "I have
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> diane
ANN M - 03 Nov 2009 02:43 GMT
As for health issues, I tend to do a "Scarlett O'Hara" and put off
thinking about it until tomorrow!!!  When tomorrow comes and I have to
think or do something about it, I try not to panic.  I also do the
self-hypnosis thing that Kelly explained so well...the relaxation
breathing and tightening and relaxing muscles from the feet up and going
off to a nicer place (I do this at the dentist also).
If I get really scared or anxious (as in an MRI machine), or if I let
myself think of awful happenings in the future,  I give it to God and
ask Him to hold my hand and get me through.

Ann
Diane - 03 Nov 2009 04:29 GMT
This is so interesting, not to mention helpful. What different
techniques and approaches you all have. I suppose for myself, I've had
some combination of all of these, but Kelly's techniques are ones I
used to teach as a therapist and employed regularly myself. I'd be on
a beach in Hawaii while getting a tooth drilled! But as I said, I am
way out of practice. When i lived in Virginia, i attended a
Mindfulness Center several times a month and relaxation became second
nature to me. But more than 4 years ago, i moved to NC and in with my
very unrelaxing (though otherwise wonderful) significant other, and
have, as I said, forgotten all I knew about coping. So it's time to
get back into it. I have a few of those medical mysteries going on, as
so many of us do, and it's helpful to think about ways to deal with
the unknown. . . and the finding out.

S.Jo, I'm so sorry about the money troubles. And Kelly, I'm sorry you
had a rough day. I know the past few months have been a roller
coaster.

diane
Donna G. - 03 Nov 2009 09:16 GMT
For me, it is using many different techniques.

Deep breathing and then blowing it out very slowly, but making sure I
blow it out all the way, and repeat several times.

Music is also a good way for me to help with the anxiety.

Finding something that I know will make me laugh ( a good movie,
friends, brothers, etc )

Sometimes getting out of my home and taking a nice walk or a nice drive,
etc

Talking with friends

Making lists!  I am the queen of lists, and like Kelly, I often think of
the worst case scenario and then think of and write down how to deal
with the worst case scenario should it happen

Long relaxing hot showers

very rarely getting myself a massage

Lots of prayers/conversations with God

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Donna
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1.)   ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......

2.)    May God's richest blessings be
upon you both today and
throughout the year.
May His blessings flow through
you to touch the lives of
everyone you meet.
Donna G. - 03 Nov 2009 16:02 GMT
Sometimes I also find just sitting in the dark with a candle or two
burning and doing the deep breathing stuff is quite relaxing.  Something
about sitting in the dark with the candle flickering and just watching
it (during the holiday months, love to do this with the lights turned
off and just the christmas tree lights lit up!)

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Donna
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1.)   ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......

2.)    May God's richest blessings be
upon you both today and
throughout the year.
May His blessings flow through
you to touch the lives of
everyone you meet.
GARY Z - 04 Nov 2009 11:01 GMT
Hi Donna, Never thought of that for indoors, but I am the same way around a
campfire.
GaryZ

> Sometimes I also find just sitting in the dark with a candle or two
> burning and doing the deep breathing stuff is quite relaxing.  Something
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> you to touch the lives of
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Donna G. - 04 Nov 2009 14:37 GMT
Oh, yeah, Gary - LOVE a campfire.  Sooooo relaxing and mesmerizing!

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Donna
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1.)   ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......

2.)    May God's richest blessings be
upon you both today and
throughout the year.
May His blessings flow through
you to touch the lives of
everyone you meet.
Nann Bell - 06 Nov 2009 00:36 GMT
> Hi Donna, Never thought of that for indoors, but I am the same way around a
> campfire.
> GaryZ

Amen!  -- that is, until the wind shifts and you get a faceful of wood
smoke........
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Kelly - 03 Nov 2009 09:38 GMT
I guess sometimes the word is practice.  Sometimes I look at all this as
being my job.  If I don't keep on top of things I get fired or at the least
a red tag on my file in otherwords the pain gets the best of me. Or the
anxiety.  Or the fatique. The relaxation to me is pretty much second nature
by now and it really doesn't take much to do now - it is automatic.
I canunderstand how anxious you would be about the medical mysteries Diane.
Unfortunately (which always raises the anxiety level) it is always so hard
to diagnose these mysteries (as you and Nann know well with different
problems) and there are no quick fixes.  Also to help matters the "experts"
don't always agree.  The easiest way I guess for me to get through these
things is to do the techniques I wrote about.

The one thing I forgot about that helps the most is my support systems.  My
mom, my girlfriend, the group.  All help in different ways in my life.

The roller coaster ride hit a huge bump today.  It is 1:30 in the morning
and i have been having a meltdown for the past 4 hours.  Well to be fair
most of the day since it started at 10:00 with the fight with Pat over the
seperation crap. It has gone downhill from there.  My chest is sore now and
I am having trouble breathing and I suspect it is from the crying.  I know
this too will pass and by tomorrow I will once again be okay again but today
I just wish I knew what the crap happened the past years and especially
since about November when things roller coaster.  I just want off.  I even
went as far as to tell him today I didn't care about it all that I would
sign his damn seperation stuff just get out of my life.  My mom and
girlfriend reminded me that couldn't happen without a lawyer - it just
wasn't a viable solution and the downside was too much.  Thank goodness
because they are right.

If only he knew I would give up all of it to know what the **** went down.
Tonight I am just tired and scared and hurting.  And at 1:30 in the morning
the only place to talk to is the newsgroup or the crisis line.  that might
be next. Because of the chest pains I don't want to take a painkiller.  I
know in my brain they are just from the crying but that doesn't make it any
easier.

Anyhow thanks Diane.  I am okay - really the first bad meltdown I have had.
Guess after all that has happened I deserve it.  In the last 2 months I have
moved, had an infusion, finished my husband's 2 company bookkeeping year end
and been dealing with heart tests, new doctor's and separation crap.  And I
miss my dog and cat badly right now.  At least I have Hawaii to look forward
to in 2 weeks. I will pick myself up tomorrow.

Anyhow I don't know if any of those ideas help Diane. They do take practice
as you know but it doen't take long to get the hang of it again.  The
techniques don't solve anything but do lessen the anxiety.

Off to deep breathe and see if I can get to sleep.  Time to use my other
technique - lecturing myself. Can't hurt even although it doesn't always do
any good.

By the way one of my relaxation distraction etc things is reading.  I
re-read Brass Ring which I found in the bookstore the other day.  I had
forgotten how good it really was.  Am I allowed another favorite of yours.
can they all be the best ever books???

Hugs Diane,
Kelly
> This is so interesting, not to mention helpful. What different
> techniques and approaches you all have. I suppose for myself, I've had
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> diane
Squirrely - 03 Nov 2009 22:48 GMT
thanks Diane. I feel for you so am thinking about you alot. prayers coming
that way too.

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> This is so interesting, not to mention helpful. What different
> techniques and approaches you all have. I suppose for myself, I've had
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> diane
Jofirey - 03 Nov 2009 18:56 GMT
Kelly, I know you had an awful day.  I want you to know that you
improved my not that awful day with what you posted.

I've been cold a lot recently.  Weather and house are fine, its just
me.  I warmed up a bit as I read your exercise.  I've done those
before so I know how to concentrate on the images, just haven't done
it in a long time.  I swear I warmed up.  I reread that part a
couple more times last night and it really helped.

Jo

>I am not the best to answer this today as I have had a major
>anxiety attack this morning over all this stupid seperation stuff
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>> diane
Squirrely - 03 Nov 2009 22:50 GMT
Kelly,

sweetie, hang in there. I am praying things will get better for you.

once again you did a wonderful job on answering these questions and giving
suggestions. don't know what we would do without  you. You are always so
helpful to others.

have a good time in Hawaii when you go. Have safe travels there and back. Do
a grass skirt dance for me. ;-)

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>I am not the best to answer this today as I have had a major anxiety attack
>this morning over all this stupid seperation stuff but I guess since I have
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> Kelly
Kelly - 03 Nov 2009 23:23 GMT
I am so looking forward to it SJ.  There will be a hula skirt for me and i
intend to somehow go snorkelling.  Might be only for a few minutes but that
is a few minutes more than if I didn't go - right?  Other than that - well
mai tais under the banyon tree, swimming in the pool, watching the friday
night fireworks from our hotel balcony, scooting and people watching on the
scooter I rented.

Have never been to Hawaii but live through my friends and family's stories.
This time I am going to actually feel the heat and swim!  Renting a red
convertible to do the island one day.

It is wonderful to have sister like mine.  She is the one determined to pay
for the trip for me.  I have paid for the scooter and hope I can get all the
food and booze.  That might help a little.  We get along well and are both
readers so are taking books both of us like so we can trade part way through
the trip.

Will make a difference.

Things will get better as soon as the seperation stuff is decided.  We are
having a cooling off period until January right now so he can get all papers
together.  And I can get my emotions under control.  My chest is tight and I
have a headache - great signs for me of too much emotions and stress.  Going
to go get a manicure and pedicure (as well as the dreaded bathing suit).

Off and thanks SJ.

Kelly
> Kelly,
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Squirrely - 04 Nov 2009 00:30 GMT
I sure hope the trip is beautiful for you, you deserve it. Have fun and
enjoy. Hopefully the stress will let us and soon for you and for all of us.

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>I am so looking forward to it SJ.  There will be a hula skirt for me and i
>intend to somehow go snorkelling.  Might be only for a few minutes but that
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Jofirey - 04 Nov 2009 02:00 GMT
>I am so looking forward to it SJ.  There will be a hula skirt for
>me and i intend to somehow go snorkelling.  Might be only for a few
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> stories. This time I am going to actually feel the heat and swim!
> Renting a red convertible to do the island one day.

That brings back a sweet memory.  I took my younger daughter to
Hawaii when she was about 14.  Just about the time the VW Cabriolet
came out.  She so wanted to get one of those, a convertible some
day.  I rented one for the day and we did Oahu.  We had a blast.
One of my favorite pictures is of her with the car in front of the
Lions Head Inn.

She did learn that while a convertible can be a whole lot of fun, it
isn't terribly practical for real life.

BTW, do not fill up on fresh from the fields pineapple juice the day
of your flight back to the mainland.

Jo
Kelly - 04 Nov 2009 03:26 GMT
Thanks for the images of the day and for the tip on the pineapples!

What a great memory.

kelly

>>I am so looking forward to it SJ.  There will be a hula skirt for me and i
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Adelle - 04 Nov 2009 16:42 GMT
>I am not the best to answer this today as I have had a major anxiety attack
>this morning over all this stupid seperation stuff but I guess since I have
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> Kelly

What a fantastic list!! Could practically be a book you could market.

Kelly - if you ever need a no cost take on the separation stuff from someone
in the field - email me at adstavisatgmaildotcom (you know how to unmunge)
and maybe I can help.

Adelle
Kelly - 04 Nov 2009 18:17 GMT
Thanks Adelle but because I am in Canada I think it might be a little
difficult.  The other problem is that because of the business stuff that is
so twisted right now it is going to take a little bit extra work.  My friend
that was going to help me is not in good shape - i am really worried as I
haven't heard from her daughter and she was in icu last news.

I really appreciate the offer though.  As soon as the papers on the
investments through the business are through I will get a financial advisor
and a lawyer.  Everything is on hold right now due to emotions, Pat's dad's
death and hoping that these particular investments will come through.  It
realy is a mess.

But in the end I will at least have enough to live on one way or another.
That is the good news.

Kelly

>>I am not the best to answer this today as I have had a major anxiety
>>attack this morning over all this stupid seperation stuff but I guess
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GARY Z - 03 Nov 2009 11:49 GMT
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-11/uomh-urs103009.php Stolen
from Nann's post, thanks Nann!

Drugs and alcohol of course!! No, just kidding. There is a kenel of truth to
that also. I have anti-d's from my shrink as well as anti-anxiety meds only
if and when something is extremely overwhelming and only for a very short
term.
This will probably sound pretty morbid but the moment I was born I was
already dying. That's the meat and potatos. Everything in between is gravy.
Might run into a few lumps now and again but that is the way it is. We have
no idea how much time we have so I believe we should enjoy every moment,
every experience good or bad. Is that hedonistic? Don't know, don't care. I
know what little I can control and don't worry about what I can't. I believe
life is to be enjoyed regardless of circumstance. Consequently I have very
few things I worry about and less I get stressed over. With others, I help
when I can and don't worry about when I can't. I pursue wholeheartedly the
things I enjoy, don't have time for the rest. One step in front of the other
until my time is up.
GaryZ

> How do you all cope? I'm talking about the "what is wrong with me?"
> "I'm dreading that medical test" "I'm afraid of my diagnosis" "I have
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> diane
Diane - 03 Nov 2009 16:12 GMT
I'm running out the door, but just wanted to say I agree with
everything everybody's said! I'm reading a helpful book (which y'all
could have written) called "emotional freedom" (really hate the title)
by Judith Orloff, who has a physical, pychological, emotional and
spiritual approach to dealing with anxiety etc.

kelly, check in today to let us know you're okay. what a rought day
and night you had yesterday! i've been there. it was a long time ago
and i remember longing for the fast forward button. i'm glad you have
hawaii to look forward to.
Gary, we need to live in the moment. I totally agree.

Gotta run,

hugs,

diane
Kelly - 03 Nov 2009 16:54 GMT
I just got up and I am okay.  It is sunny and I intend to get out on my
scooter into the village to see people.  Long nap needed this afternoon.  It
was a crappy day but since leaving Pat I have actually had more good days
than bad so maybe eventually they will all be decent (or as decent as
"normal" - lets face it life is not all cheery and whatever.

My chest hurts but i think it was from all the crying.  Will get it checked
if it continues.  The crying was pretty hard.

Off to the village to see people, smile and get smiles back.  That should
help the day!

kelly
> I'm running out the door, but just wanted to say I agree with
> everything everybody's said! I'm reading a helpful book (which y'all
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Kelly - 03 Nov 2009 22:44 GMT
My father in law died this morning at 11:00.  He was confused last week and
refused to use his walker.  Fell, broke his hip and was diagnosed in the
hospital as having pneumonia.  They operated anyhow as he was in so much
pain with the hip.  He already had early dementia and advanced parkinsons.
He appeared to be getting a little better the last 2 days (he had high anger
and anxiety and aggression in the hospital from the pneumonia and was very
confused - didn't know where he was or why) but slipped away quietly this
morning.  My husband is taking it very badly and is on his way.  In the
meantime my son is sitting with his grannie.  She is 93 and is taking it
very well.  He was 87.

I will be in Victoria next week so will see my mil then.  Not sure if there
will be a memorial service or when.  I told him I loved him last time I saw
him and basically said a quiet goodbye then since I am not in town and Pat
and I are not together anymore.  Was going to see him later this week when i
was in town.  Will go see my mil and give her a hug.

Anyhow in a better place.  I would hate a broken hip and early dementia at
87.  There are too many dragons to face in the world sometimes.

Anyhow makes yesterday seem minor.  I am off to town to see people and talk
to anyone.  Maybe get my toes done - my feet hurt dreadfully today and that
always seems to help.

Thanks for listening everyone.  Just needed that support - truly Diane I
don't always cope with anxiety well and yesterday was a perfect example.
Today things are sort of back into perspective. Hope you are doing okay.

>I just got up and I am okay.  It is sunny and I intend to get out on my
>scooter into the village to see people.  Long nap needed this afternoon.
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>> diane
Squirrely - 04 Nov 2009 00:28 GMT
My condolences to you and all involved. I am sorry to hear this but as you
said he is in a better place now and won't have to suffer anymore.

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> My father in law died this morning at 11:00.  He was confused last week
> and refused to use his walker.  Fell, broke his hip and was diagnosed in
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>>> diane
loujeanb - 04 Nov 2009 02:28 GMT
My condolences to you, also, Kelly.  As well as to your inlaws.  I'm glad
that you are feeling better today.

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> My father in law died this morning at 11:00.  He was confused last week
> and refused to use his walker.  Fell, broke his hip and was diagnosed in
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Diane - 04 Nov 2009 03:01 GMT
Kelly, I'm so sorry to hear about your father-in-law. The separation
complicates things, I'm sure, and I feel for Pat too, since it sounds
like he's not handling things very well. You sound strong and good,
though.

I've been to Hawaii twice and wish I could go with you! i do hope you
get to snorkel. It's fabulous. The easiest place I found in my limited
travels was Hanauma Bay on Oahu, because you don't need to go out on a
boat and do the climbing in and out thing.

Your sister sounds very special.
Take care of yourself,

Diane
Kelly - 04 Nov 2009 03:33 GMT
It is hard - really hard today.  I was expecting this but Pat has taken it
really badly if this morning was anything to go by.  I have to just sit back
and support my boys if they need it. Pat did phone to tell me but he was in
hysterics.  For my father in law it would have been welcome.  He was ill and
not a great patient I am afraid.  He would have hated this.  My mil is a
very strong lady and has been expecting this I believe.  She is pretty
realistic and although I know it will be tough on her she can handle it I
believe.   She once told me getting old was over rated.  The hardest for her
with aging is losing her eyesight.  She is a great reader and with the
hearing loss as well books are pretty much out of her reach.  My father in
law stopped reading which was sad.  Probably due to the parkinson and memory
problems.

That is exactly where we are going snorkelling.  No boats, no climbing and
it can be a short period of time if need be.  Sounds perfect.

thanks Diane.  She is a very special person.  She and my brother (who is
itching to jump on that plane with us!).

kelly
> Kelly, I'm so sorry to hear about your father-in-law. The separation
> complicates things, I'm sure, and I feel for Pat too, since it sounds
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> Diane
Joan Carter - 04 Nov 2009 15:39 GMT
Kelly, you have been through so much yourself lately, and yet you
are always there for others. My hope is for you to enjoy your
trip to Hawaii and live every minute of it to the fullest. You
deserve it.

Joan

n Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:33:58 -0800, "Kelly" <kelly.e1@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>It is hard - really hard today.  I was expecting this but Pat has taken it
>really badly if this morning was anything to go by.  I have to just sit back
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>> Diane
Kelly - 04 Nov 2009 03:29 GMT
I am Navy.  I don't stay down for long - 2 days is my max.  Just not in my
nature to feel sorry for myself for any longer and if not my family would
knock me down fast!  Any longer and you know it is seriously time to send me
to my doctor!

I realize I am no longer Pat's wife though and although I can offer him my
condolences that is it.  I am supporting my boys by phone and will see my
mil this week.  Not sure about when the memorial will be yet.

Thanks Navy.  He is in a much better place.

kelly
> My condolences to you, also, Kelly.  As well as to your inlaws.  I'm glad
> that you are feeling better today.
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Nann Bell - 06 Nov 2009 12:17 GMT
((((((((((((((((Kelly)))))))))))))))
((((((((((((((Pat)))))))))))))))))

we all have bad days and we all must grieve the big changes in our lives, but
situations such as you fil's  remind us of what is going what with our lives.

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Harvey R. Stone - 06 Nov 2009 12:47 GMT
> ((((((((((((((((Kelly)))))))))))))))
> ((((((((((((((Pat)))))))))))))))))
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> situations such as you fil's  remind us of what is going what with our
> lives.

Ya know,,,, one of my problems is that I do not know all the time when
something or someone has me up tight until something happens,,,,, I will say
something or do something and it just there,,,, done,,, can't take it
back,,,, got to live with it.
   Like the time that guy thought he could abuse his wife in front of
another elder and I.   I hit that guy sooo fast,,, bip,,,done,,,, can't take
it back,,,,, call the police.   I got in trouble over that and the wife got
mad at me....  Learned a lot that day.
  Like the time a pastor did not want to visit a person that was going to
die because it was too far away or his day was too full,,,,, I forget which.
In his face wayyyy too quick and he ended up loooosing his job months later.
  My point is,,, a person does not always know something has them uptight
and a person does not always know what the reaction is going to be or what
is going to happen.   Sometimes,,, I am sorry is not enough.  So it goes.
Harv
Jofirey - 03 Nov 2009 19:08 GMT
> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-11/uomh-urs103009.php 
> Stolen from Nann's post, thanks Nann!
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> the rest. One step in front of the other until my time is up.
> GaryZ

Don't knock what works.  I still have a small stash of anti-anxiety
meds 'just in case'.  I used to call them my IRS and Mother-In-Law
pills.  Serax if I remember the name right.  Sometimes medication
will head specific anxiety off at the pass.

Another thing that helps keep me from worry is no fun, but we take
the help we get where we can.  Charlie has really started worrying
much more than he used to as he's gotten older.  Mostly about the
kids, who quite frankly are adults and can do their own worrying now
as I see it.  But I figure he has it covered if anything needs
worried about.

Jo
GARY Z - 04 Nov 2009 11:08 GMT
ROFL!! Thanks for the major chuckle this morning Jo.
GaryZ

> Don't knock what works.  I still have a small stash of anti-anxiety meds
> 'just in case'.  I used to call them my IRS and Mother-In-Law pills.
> Serax if I remember the name right.  Sometimes medication will head
> specific anxiety off at the pass.
>
> Jo
Craig - 04 Nov 2009 13:58 GMT
> How do you all cope? I'm talking about the "what is wrong with me?"
> "I'm dreading that medical test" "I'm afraid of my diagnosis" "I have
> to have surgery tomorrow" (that one's for Gareeth) kind of anxiety. I
> used to be so much better at it, and find my usual coping mechanisms
> are not working as they used to. I think I'm out of practice.<snip>
diane

Hi Diane,
It's a very good question and reading through the thread at this late stage
I can see why many people  here have much to be anxious about. I feel deeply
moved by the situations of many of the posters here and wish there was some
way I was able to help. In spite of the many problems, people here are
always quick with an encouraging word and support even when the odds seem
personally stacked against them.

I think part of coping is having a support network around, that way ( whilst
you ultimately have to face it by yourself) it's a little easier  if you
have someone around to share  your thoughts  with and bounce some ideas back
and forth.

In terms of  having to have a medical test that isn't pleasant, thinking
about it as something that is uncomfortable is realistic. It is helpful for
me in  a situation like this to focus on the fact that the pain or
discomfort of the procedure is one small segment of your life and that the
discomfort is finite and will only last a short time.

Likewise in situations of great loss, it is easier to accept that the event
has occured and that we cannot change that fact. Acknowledge the memories
when they occur, but find things to do so that the memories do not consume
consume your whole life  after a period of grieving.

When it comes to longer term pain, I find that breathing and relaxation
exercises help a lot.

Don't know about anxiety regarding surgery (Best wishes Gareeth)

I sincerely hope that you are able to find something that is helpful to you
Diane.

Craig
Diane - 04 Nov 2009 16:27 GMT
Craig, thanks for your thoughts and ideas. I'm keeping everyone's in a
file so we have them all in one place for the future.

diane
Jofirey - 04 Nov 2009 20:10 GMT
> Craig, thanks for your thoughts and ideas. I'm keeping everyone's
> in a
> file so we have them all in one place for the future.
>
> diane

I found a stress/cold buster at the library yesterday.  The newest
Margaret Maron book, called "Sand Sharks".  Only just started it,
but it quickly arrived at a warm North Carolina beach in the hot
sun.

Without the discusion here, I might have still found the book.
She's a favorite author.  But I might not have thought to take my
time and savor the description of the warm summer beach.

Jo
Diane - 05 Nov 2009 04:15 GMT
Jo, did I know you were a Margaret Maron fan? Did you know she's a
good friend? She's one of my writing gang here. the 7 seven of us go
away a couple of times a year just to write. We're going in a few
weeks to a NC mansion that allows serious writers to work there for
free, and Our State Magazine is coming to interview us this time. I'll
let her know she's giving you some stress relief!

diane

> I found a stress/cold buster at the library yesterday. �The newest
> Margaret Maron book, called "Sand Sharks". �Only just started it,
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> Jo
Jofirey - 06 Nov 2009 02:57 GMT
Jo, did I know you were a Margaret Maron fan? Did you know she's a
good friend? She's one of my writing gang here. the 7 seven of us go
away a couple of times a year just to write. We're going in a few
weeks to a NC mansion that allows serious writers to work there for
free, and Our State Magazine is coming to interview us this time.
I'll
let her know she's giving you some stress relief!

diane

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Tell her I said thank you for all the great books!

Enjoy your writers retreat.  There are so many wonderful places in
North Carolina to visit and to write about.

I think the best experience I ever had with reading a book involved
"Cold Mountain".  I'd never heard of the book or author, but it was
a new release in the airport in Dallas when I was changing planes to
visit my mother just south of Ashville, NC.

I read the book sitting out on the balcony at my mother's looking
out over the North Carolina mountains he was writting about.

Jo
Nann Bell - 06 Nov 2009 12:45 GMT
> I think the best experience I ever had with reading a book involved
> "Cold Mountain".  I'd never heard of the book or author, but it was
> a new release in the airport in Dallas when I was changing planes to
> visit my mother just south of Ashville, NC.

nosy minds want to know, where just south of Asheville?  I lived there '84-87
and my first RD was there.  There were some attitudes in Asheville that I had
trouble tolerating, but I enjoyed the people outside of town and the beauty
of the area is precious to me.  I still support the Southern Appalachian
Highlands Conservancy.

One of our possible retirement living places is north of there in Boone,
though Brevard might be nice for the music festival or staying in this are
near Interlochen or...... (we have several ideas at this point....)

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Jofirey - 06 Nov 2009 19:12 GMT
>> I think the best experience I ever had with reading a book
>> involved
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> near Interlochen or...... (we have several ideas at this
> point....)

They live on Burge Mountain, near Naples and Fletcher.  Just north
of Hendersonville.  There are so many lovely communities around
there, I'd have a terrible time deciding.  You want a home high
enough up one of the hills for a good view, but not so high up bad
roads you can't get out in the winter.

Sometimes we would just get in the car and go wandering about.

My favorite nearby viewing point is Jump Off Rock which I think is
over toward Brevard.  At least I know their eye doctor was in
Brevard and we would usually head up to the Laurel Park Inn and the
overlook on the days they had to see the eye doctor.

Jo
loujeanb - 04 Nov 2009 22:32 GMT
That's what is so neat about this group.  We've all been through similar
tests and procedures and can give moral support and say, "It isn't too bad.
I know you can get through it."  Somebody is always here.  Thanks, guys.

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>> How do you all cope? I'm talking about the "what is wrong with me?"
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> Craig
spodosaurus - 04 Nov 2009 17:49 GMT
> How do you all cope? I'm talking about the "what is wrong with me?"
> "I'm dreading that medical test" "I'm afraid of my diagnosis" "I have
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> diane

TV shows on DVD, exercise when possible, searching for something cheap
but nice on ebay for my daughter (this can sometimes end up as a lot of
research and following leads, which can kill a couple of hours until
it's time to do something else, like sleep), and when all else fails:
Atavan! :)

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>> How do you all cope? I'm talking about the "what is wrong with me?"
>> "I'm dreading that medical test" "I'm afraid of my diagnosis" "I have
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> it's time to do something else, like sleep), and when all else fails:
> Atavan! :)

 OH!!! I forgot a really good one: failblog.org :) Sometimes 5 minutes
of laughs is all it takes to give hours of relief from anxiety.

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Kelly - 04 Nov 2009 20:01 GMT
Once again we have an excellent topic that has brought forth all these
ideas.

For anyone who hasn't done the ASMP (arthritis self management plan) or read
the book or read about pain control - these ideas are pain control ideas
too.

The thing is that pain is in a cycle.  In order to stop or relieve some pain
you need to break the cycle.  Don't have my book so might not have this in
order or might forget somethings but basically.

You have pain, you tighten up your muscles to protect that area, this causes
more pain, lose sleep, depression, anger, helplessness, tighten muscles,
causes pain.  Sort of along that line.

So imagine gripping a pencil tight.  When you do that you don't just tighten
your hands you tighten your shoulders etc.  Any tight grip will cause a
little pain in even a normal person.

So you can cut the pain cycle at many spots.  The anxiety exercises we were
talking about will cut some of the pain a little.  If you can stop the anger
you lose some of that tightness.  Cutting any of this anxiousness, relaxing
etc can get you more sleep.

Relaxation exercises are incredible.

If anyone wants me to I don't mind writing some of the pain distraction
exercises or the things to do to lesson pain (some of which all of us know
but again forget to do or if you haven't been in a flare for a while might
not have been practicing (that darn word again).  This way people could add
to the other ideas too.

Thanks Diane.  People's ideas always help me and it also helps me to put in
words what I do everyday.  Reminds me that I have to keep at it.

Kelly
> How do you all cope? I'm talking about the "what is wrong with me?"
> "I'm dreading that medical test" "I'm afraid of my diagnosis" "I have
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> diane
loujeanb - 04 Nov 2009 22:35 GMT
Kelly, you always take time to reassure the rest of us.  You are right.  If
you can break the cycle of pain, pressure, etc, it's amazing how much you
can handle. But,if you let that recycle and build, it gets worse a lot
faster.  God bless you, girl, and be with your boys.

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> ideas.
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>> diane
Kelly - 04 Nov 2009 23:58 GMT
I wish I could be with my boys Navy but Pat is there and they are doing the
clean out the room stuff etc. Making arrangements and family get to gethers.
I have talked to both by phone but this is not a time for me to be around. I
am okay with that.  also I was going over for 6 days to do the quilt sale at
the guild (have quite a load of stuff for sale this year), do some design
work with my girlfriend (we have again been chosen to teach the mystery
quilt class at the Guild retreat - this is a huge deal.  It pays, we have
been chosen from quite a wonderful group of teachers, it is our original
design etc. Takes place in June provided of course we get 7 students), a get
together with our satellite quilt group, see the boys and if the memorial
was in time go to that.

Of course I end up with a cold.  Drippy nose or stuffed depending on the
time of day, no fever thank goodness and minimal coughing, headache of
mammoth proportions and I ache all over.

Crap - slept all day yesterday and today and feeling a tiny bit better.
With the trip coming up though I can't take chances and I really can't be
around my sons as they are around their grandmother.  I was also going to
visit my mil but can't do that either.  Obviously the stars were not aligned
for this particular trip. Enforced rest though.  See the orthopedic surgeon
onmy knee tomorrow. Maybe if I am lucky he has some ideas to stop it from
giving out.

I was really glad to see that you are having physio and that your exercises
are right.  The correct physio can make so much difference.  Make sure
though that he listens to you and that you don't push too hard. My last one
was so good (and so good looking!) - wish I could send him to you.  eye
candy when you are hurting doesn't hurt things!

Take care Navy. I am glad when I can help a little.  This group helps me so
much.

Kelly
> Kelly, you always take time to reassure the rest of us.  You are right.
> If you can break the cycle of pain, pressure, etc, it's amazing how much
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Diane - 05 Nov 2009 04:17 GMT
Kelly, life is really beating you up this week! I'm so sorry. Get that
cold out of the way so you're healthy for Hawaii.

diane
loujeanb - 05 Nov 2009 20:18 GMT
It's a woman and we will see.  She doesn't do heat before and ice
afterwards, which I am used to.  I plan to ask her on Tuesday (next
appointment) if she can do it because I feel comfortable that way.

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>I wish I could be with my boys Navy but Pat is there and they are doing the
>clean out the room stuff etc. Making arrangements and family get to
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Donna G. - 05 Nov 2009 06:20 GMT
Diane,

Another thing I was thinking of, is that I like to some times visualize.
We all know that can be very helpful for anxiety and for pain.  

I love water and beaches and the sound of water, etc., so I love to
visualize that I am on a beach some where and can hear the sound of the
waves gently rolling in and can smell the air, feel the warmth of the
sand squeezing between my toes, and feel the heat of the sun sinking
into me, etc.  

Makes me think of your new place and you on the beach.  Perhaps
visualizing that you are there or maybe some time when you are there,
making a tape of the sounds can help you go there when needed!

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Nann Bell - 06 Nov 2009 00:35 GMT
> What works for you?
>
> diane

And it hit me Tuesday evening that I left out what is most vital for me in
stress control - music.  It's something different for everyone, but the two
biggies for me are music and a beautiful outdoors location.

We've had enough exposure to excellent live music since we moved that it just
slipped my mind but we were very aware of its lack for a while there.  When
we started making the trek to the opera in Chicago (long and rather difficult
from Hillman) our mutual reaction to the first performance was "this is what
our souls have been starving for".  We actually said those words to each
other.  I remembered that during some exceptionally beautiful arias Tuesday
night.  Stuff like that is such an effective stress reducer for both of us
that it lingers for months.

Most people have something or another that is equally as effective against
stress and exosing yourself to whatever that is on a regular basis
strengthens you for those more stressful times.  

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loujeanb - 07 Nov 2009 01:50 GMT
I'm afraid that sometimes, I don't very well.  I'm not very good with pain -
you know, that low level ache that pervades all of your body.  I've been
pretty bad the past couple of days.  It's probably first day of PT out of
whack type of time.

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