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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / July 2009Any Last Minute Advice
Don wrote about the fruitcake state: > Precisely; one example of the progeny of Prop 13 and California's > antique initiative process. Ironically, when it was established a > century ago it was intended to give the citizens more power to > override the legislature--but that was before special interests were > so strong. Actually the referendum is the process to override the legislature. We even used in at the local level to repeal a parking meter rate increase. <G> The initiative process introduces an entirely new subject not related to any bills from the legislature. The initiative to steal gas pump taxes was introduced by the legislature to amend the state Constitution, which at the time stated that all fuel taxes and gas taxes collected at the pump had to be spent on streets and highways. PETA and the humane society were behind an initiative last Fall that sets the minimum square footage of freedom for each hen. Where it's already been tried (Europe), it was discovered that hens break more bones and have to be euthanasised (sp). ... P.E.T.A. -- People Eating Tasty Animals ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 It seems to me I heard somewhere that Califchief wrote in article <1248934729.11.1248908430@fidotel.com>: > Don wrote about the fruitcake state: > > Precisely; one example of the progeny of Prop 13 and California's > > antique initiative process. Ironically, when it was established a > > century ago it was intended to give the citizens more power to > > override the legislature--but that was before special interests were > > so strong. > Actually the referendum is the process to override the legislature. > We even used in at the local level to repeal a parking meter rate > increase. <G> > The initiative process introduces an entirely new subject not > related to any bills from the legislature. Yes, you're absolutely right, Joe. I was cutting corners when I phrased it that way. > The initiative to steal gas pump taxes was introduced by the > legislature to amend the state Constitution, which at the time > stated that all fuel taxes and gas taxes collected at the pump > had to be spent on streets and highways. > PETA and the humane society were behind an initiative last Fall > that sets the minimum square footage of freedom for each hen. > Where it's already been tried (Europe), it was discovered that > hens break more bones and have to be euthanasised (sp). Yes, more examples of how broken our system is these days. It's not only the legislature, of course; the governor gets involved in the same way, as well as the special interests on both sides. Anyway, I guess we've about beaten this to death. The folks in 49 other states and dozens of countries are probably totally uninterested in our problems right now.  SignatureDon Kirkman donsno2@charter.net > Anyway, I guess we've about beaten this to death. The folks in 49 > other states and dozens of countries are probably totally uninterested > in our problems right now. well, the DH does have kin out there, we both have friends in CA, and my brother, who lives in Tallahassee, works in LA right now. That keeps me more interested. Also, Florida passed their own limit on property taxes a few years ago and are beginning to develop fiscal problems also. I fear they will learn nothing from CA's example, though. SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me My definition of a hero is someone who understands the responsibilities that come with his freedom. - Bob Dylan It seems to me I heard somewhere that Nann Bell wrote in article <0001HW.C697C66D01318B4AF0284530@news.eternal-september.org>: >> Anyway, I guess we've about beaten this to death. The folks in 49 >> other states and dozens of countries are probably totally uninterested >> in our problems right now. >well, the DH does have kin out there, we both have friends in CA, and my >brother, who lives in Tallahassee, works in LA right now. That keeps me more >interested. Also, Florida passed their own limit on property taxes a few >years ago and are beginning to develop fiscal problems also. I fear they >will learn nothing from CA's example, though. Glad to know that I haven't totally ruined my welcome here on the sidelines. :-) SignatureDon Kirkman donsno2@charter.net > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Nann Bell wrote in article > <0001HW.C697C66D01318B4AF0284530@news.eternal-september.org>: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Glad to know that I haven't totally ruined my welcome here on the > sidelines. :-) well,,, surely not with me. If you are worried about political correctness,,,, it is part of the problem. Speak your mind,,,, say what you think,,, you will feel better and you may learn something from what is discussed. If you do not have an open mind and can not learn from what other people think and say,,,, then just shut up and get out of the way. Harv |
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