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Any Last Minute Advice?
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Jofirey - 26 Jul 2009 18:32 GMT My first dose of Enbrel sitting in the refrigerator and I'm working up my courage.
Any misgivings I had about whether I needed it or the cost were answered overnight. I forgot to take my measly 3mg of prednisone yesterday and overnight my really sore finger swelled up to where I can't bend it. Yes if it takes prednisone, too much MTX and too many very strong painkillers to get thru my g-darn day its time and worth it.
Thank God and the American public for excellent health insurance.
So I know to take it out to 'thaw' for fifteen minutes. Any other advice? My doctor talked to me about it but my hearing isn't so great. Any problem with taking it the same day I take the MTX?
Any problems I should anticipate?
Thanks.
Jo
Michael B - 26 Jul 2009 19:14 GMT Rheumatoid or otherwise? If rheumatoid, I suggest reading about Low Dose Naltrexone. If for nothing else than your awaeness. http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/ldn_and_ai.htm http://www.webspawner.com/users/ldnforra/index.html
> My first dose of Enbrel sitting in the refrigerator and I'm working > up my courage. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Jo Squirrely - 26 Jul 2009 20:18 GMT Michael, go back to AMF and bug them and leave us alone. You are really getting to be a bit much.
 Signature Love and hugs to all Love Squirrely Jo
Rheumatoid or otherwise? If rheumatoid, I suggest reading about Low Dose Naltrexone. If for nothing else than your awaeness. http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/ldn_and_ai.htm http://www.webspawner.com/users/ldnforra/index.html
Michael B - 26 Jul 2009 21:30 GMT Ya know, I've been posting off and on to this newsgroup since the days of Dejanews. Perhaps you'll be expecting me to stop because you said to? Does that answer your question?
> Michael, go back to AMF and bug them and leave us alone. You are really > getting to be a bit much. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If rheumatoid, I suggest reading about Low Dose Naltrexone. > If for nothing else than your awaeness.http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/ldn_and_ai.htmhttp://www.webspawner.com/users/l dnforra/index.html Squirrely - 26 Jul 2009 21:53 GMT In the first place I didn't ask you a question. You don't read these posts too good do you and that is why you are promoting the site you are. I guess you will go back in my kill file like you did after you tried giving me advice that could have killed me. Oh by the way you can save yourself an answer because I won't see it since you will be in my kill file.
 Signature Love and hugs to all Love Squirrely Jo
Ya know, I've been posting off and on to this newsgroup since the days of Dejanews. Perhaps you'll be expecting me to stop because you said to? Does that answer your question?
Michael B - 27 Jul 2009 03:12 GMT Aren't killfiles wonderful? Too bad Google doesn't support them. By the way, advice is like any other opinion. You can either accept it or not, act on it or not. But whatever you do or don't do, it's your choice only, as are the consequences. Some people have a difficulty recognizing that. Even suggesting that a person drink more water could be wrong for that person. People that don't recognize that are more likely to say something like "you tried giving me advice that could have killed me."
Love and hugs to all
> In the first place I didn't ask you a question. You don't read these posts > too good do you and that is why you are promoting the site you are. I guess [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > because you said to? > Does that answer your question? Gareeth - 27 Jul 2009 03:51 GMT > Michael, go back to AMF and bug them and leave us alone. You are > really getting to be a bit much. That is what a killfile is for.
Gareeth
shenmei 9 - 27 Jul 2009 03:56 GMT > Rheumatoid or otherwise? > If rheumatoid, I suggest reading about Low Dose Naltrexone. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > > Jo Hey Michael, Just had a major discussion a few months ago about naltrexone with my ex who is an epidemiologist who is very interested in Low dose Naltrexone and HIV-There have been a few clinical trials using Low does naltrexone with crohns. It would take a whole new way of looking at autoimmune disease in general. Hum....
Melinda
RosieS - 26 Jul 2009 22:47 GMT Yeah, Jo,
Have a cotton ball ready to sop up any leakage; I often spring a leak. And most importantly don't overdo it tomorrow because your energy is high...you'll pay in pain on Tuesday. Spread the energy out. And see about spreading out the MTX too....I don't ever take it together with my Enbrel. Good luck and I'm happy you've got Enbrel.
Hugs from Rosie
> My first dose of Enbrel sitting in the refrigerator and I'm working up my > courage. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Jo shenmei 9 - 27 Jul 2009 03:46 GMT > My first dose of Enbrel sitting in the refrigerator and I'm working > up my courage. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Jo Hey Jo,
Are you taking the premix 50MG? Make sure you warm it up and make sure the alchol from the prep pad has dried (will definiely help make it less painful) That said, there are a number of great little videos on youtube that will show exactly what you need to do and what the process will feel like. It is somewhat desensitizing to watch other people do their injections. One of the problems lots of first timers have in rushing their injections. Make sure you take it really slow. If you are doing the 25 mg, email me. The issue with the "mix your own" is making sure you get it mixed will without damaging the proteins. I have lots of tips on that process.
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Jofirey - 27 Jul 2009 04:03 GMT On Jul 26, 10:32 am, "Jofirey" <jofi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> My first dose of Enbrel sitting in the refrigerator and I'm > working [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Jo Hey Jo,
Are you taking the premix 50MG? Make sure you warm it up and make sure the alchol from the prep pad has dried (will definiely help make it less painful) That said, there are a number of great little videos on youtube that will show exactly what you need to do and what the process will feel like. It is somewhat desensitizing to watch other people do their injections. One of the problems lots of first timers have in rushing their injections. Make sure you take it really slow. If you are doing the 25 mg, email me. The issue with the "mix your own" is making sure you get it mixed will without damaging the proteins. I have lots of tips on that process.
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Thank you. My doctor did mention making sure the alcohol from the prep pad dried. But I had totally forgotten that. I've got the 50mg premix.
Headed to You Tube and then will get this over with.
Jo
Harvey R. Stone - 27 Jul 2009 14:50 GMT > Thank you. My doctor did mention making sure the alcohol from the prep > pad dried. But I had totally forgotten that. I've got the 50mg premix. > > Headed to You Tube and then will get this over with. > > Jo Hi Jo, another things is that sometimes the place where you give yourself the shot is close to a nerve ending,,,,, its gonna hurt a little and there is nothing any one can do about it. With a 50 size shot, I sometimes pull the needle out and move to the other leg to finish the shot. The needle is fast in to find the spot but the fluid is slow in. I sometimes will slow the last half of the shot even slower. You are going to feel so much better and wonder why you got stressed out about doing the shot. You will be an old pro in no time..... and do not forget,,,, it works. Harv
Adelle - 27 Jul 2009 14:09 GMT Hope it went well, Jo. And that it helps you as much as it helps others of us.
I don't take my mtx and enbrel on the same day, either. Though frankly - I don't get any energy from the mtx. I do find that the enbrel works better while I am on mtx than when I'm not.
I get significant 'burn' from the preservative, so I look for areas with more fat to inject into - like saddlebag area instead of top of thigh. I also let it warm for 25 minutes. means I only have 5 to complete the shot. But after a year of using it, the shot is not a big production anymore. And to remember where to inject, I keep a pattern and repeat the four areas with each box (R tummy, R thigh, L tummy, L thigh).
Adelle
> My first dose of Enbrel sitting in the refrigerator and I'm working up my > courage. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Jo Nann Bell - 27 Jul 2009 15:36 GMT IIRC, I was letting it warm up more like 30 minutes. Of course, the room temp around here is usually cooler than it is for you! lol I accidently hit the reset button on my timer once w/o realizing it and let it warm up for longer. Aparently it wasn't long enough to render it ineffective and I found it didn't sting at all that time. So letting it warm up as long as you reasonably can seems to help with the stinging.
Don't get too wound up about doing it - it really is much easier than I thought it would be. My type 1 diabetic brother says the new silicone coated needles make injections much easier than the old needles.
And assuming you are using the premixed stuff, it will most likely sting at times. Just pause the injection until the stinging eases and continue slowly. And take Rosie's advice not to overdo it when you get a high from the Enbrel kicking in!
--- Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me Change everything. Love & forgive.
Jofirey - 27 Jul 2009 17:23 GMT > IIRC, I was letting it warm up more like 30 minutes. Of course, > the room [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > high from > the Enbrel kicking in! Still waiting for my 'high', but I do feel a bit better than I did yesterday. The needles was very easy to use. I thought taking that long to inject something would be hard to do. It sure would with my rickety needles I use for MTX. But this went nice and slow with just steady gentle pressure on the injector.
Guess I'm going to have to break down and get a proper sharps disposal box.
It was fun at the last minute finding the alcohol and some wipes. Kids tend to move things like that.
Jo
Kate - 27 Jul 2009 18:03 GMT > > IIRC, I was letting it warm up more like 30 minutes. Of course, > > the room [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Oh I envy you- the relief from Enbrel is soo amazing- I could tell the very next day Kate R
Harvey R. Stone - 27 Jul 2009 19:52 GMT Oh I envy you- the relief from Enbrel is soo amazing- I could tell the very next day Kate R
Me too,,,, but that does not happen with everyone. Sooo, many do not get the kick we did. I remember one person that it did not help for 3 months. It is so easy for us to get someone's hopes too high because it happened for us. Harv
Harvey R. Stone - 27 Jul 2009 19:48 GMT My Enbrel supplier also supplied the sharps container and alcohol wipes free of charge. Harv
> Guess I'm going to have to break down and get a proper sharps disposal > box. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jo RoseB - 28 Jul 2009 00:59 GMT that is what I needed to purchase today, a sharps container. The drugs like enbrel and humira seem to come with free sharps containers, but that is not the case for mtx. Before I moved I took in several full sharps containers to the doctor's office and unused medications to the pharmacy for disposal.
Gareeth - 28 Jul 2009 06:23 GMT > that is what I needed to purchase today, a sharps container. I have been using a pringles container but have no clue what to do with it when it is full.
Gareeth
RoseB - 28 Jul 2009 06:28 GMT >> that is what I needed to purchase today, a sharps container. > >I have been using a pringles container but have no clue what to do with it >when it is full. > >Gareeth you can take them to a medical clinic, the hospital, or a doctor's office. a 2 liter coke container also works well. I have heard that they like the clear plastic containers because you can see through them. many years ago when I started injecting mtx, the doc said any syringes that go into the garbage will find their way to the street. it is best to take them to a medical facility of some sort for disposal.
Jofirey - 28 Jul 2009 15:48 GMT > My first dose of Enbrel sitting in the refrigerator and I'm > working up my courage. Well, that's over and done. Didn't have any rush of energy on Monday. Of course that may be because I was due for my MTX Sunday as well and didn't want to skip it. Injected several hours after the Enbrel and in a different location.
This morning I was awake early. As in the cat told me to lay still and go back to sleep. She will barely let me touch her, but sleeps tight against my legs at night.
I got up a little before six, not unusual as the pain and stiffness usually drives me out of bed by then. Fed the dog, and considered pruning the roses that have needed it for weeks. Thought, no, I'm not supposed to over do it, buy hey!. I don't feel too bad. Went out for breakfast for the first time in months and read the paper and did the Sudoku. Brought breakfast back for grandson, bacon for the dog and coffee for Charlie. (This could start to get expensive)
Its trash day, and the garbage and recycle cans have already been empties, but the compost can is still half full and waiting for the truck, so I go ahead and do the roses.
Now it 7:30 and I think at this rate I could get into trouble, so I came in and sat down at the computer.
But you know, I need to pick up some medicine on base, and could really stand to stop by the commissary.
Jo
RosieS - 28 Jul 2009 16:59 GMT LOL - your body may not be saying you've dropped your fatigue level, but your brain sure is. Now just imagine how it'll be when you don't do the MTX at the same time? MTX always wipes me out so when I take it at nite that's the one nite I don't have bad insomnia. :-) Good 4 U, Jo. <bg>
Hugs from Rosie
>> My first dose of Enbrel sitting in the refrigerator and I'm working up my >> courage. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Jo Jofirey - 28 Jul 2009 17:10 GMT > LOL - your body may not be saying you've dropped your fatigue > level, but your brain sure is. Now just imagine how it'll be when [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Hugs from Rosie 9am. I'm sitting at the computer trying to decide how I feel. I don't trust this.
I can't really say I itch, but I'm kind of thinking about itching. But that should be no big deal since I haven't taken my meds including prednisone yet this morning.
I think I feel great.
But of course I don't trust feeling great.
In my experience feeling great is the feeling before the fall. Both prednisone and stimulants are borrowed energy and the backlash is a bear.
But I don't see how a biological could work that way.
To be honest I'm feeling a bit manic, and my mood swings don't normally extend to the highs. We'll see what I bring home from the store. (A very good indicator of manic behavior)
But I definitely can't sit here at the computer all day.
Jo
Harvey R. Stone - 28 Jul 2009 23:37 GMT > I think I feel great. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jo Jo,,,, you make me smile. You just have to make yourself believe that this is going to work for you and today is going to be a good day. Harv
Jofirey - 29 Jul 2009 01:03 GMT >> I think I feel great. >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > day. > Harv Well, I 'hit the wall' about 1pm. I think my mind was making promises my body couldn't keep.
But it has still been a pretty good day.
Jo
RosieS - 29 Jul 2009 05:21 GMT You make me smile too, Jo. I'd like to say you're typical but we all know you aren't. But you can indeed trust the Enbrel...it's been my miracle drug and I've got the damage from before having it to prove it. Again, good 4 U, Jo! :-)
ReHugs from Rosie
>>> I think I feel great. >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jo
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