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lavenderhouse3812@gmail.com - 17 Jul 2008 22:49 GMT
So...I have had no health insurance for 3 months saving myself 5880.00
dollars (california is one of those states where HIPAA portability is
expanded to 6 months).  I have managed to find health insurance that
is an HMO through an acupuncture association.  I had to change PCP's
as my RA and pulmonary specialist are with one medical group while my
PCP was with another.  I just got back from seeing this new doc.  I
had blood work done last week.

I am very very unhappy-well actually make that PO'd to the extreme.
As always my cholesterol is great.  Good HDL and very low LDL, low
triglycerides, etc.  Everything else was good as well.

This very weird Doc (who I will not be returning to), informed me that
I probably didn't have RA as my RA factor is negative.  He said, "you
are overweight and that is probably what's wrong with your
knees"  (and hands?)    I tried to expalin to him that when I was
diagnosed with RA, I weighed 140 lbs and for my 5"10 runner's frame
that made me look anorexic (size 2-4).  He told me that I had to have
a bad relationship with food and needed to be in therapy to resolve my
"issues".  I asked him what he knew about corticosteroids and weight
gain.  He said that pred causing weight gain was a myth.

I am stunned.  I eat better than anyone.  I gain weight everytime I do
extended pred.  I don't lose it.  I gain no weight ever when I am not
on pred.  I have low blood pressure.  I come from a family of very
tall skinny people.  I was one for years.  Funny thing is that I
really would love to snap my fingers and weigh 140 again but that is
not going to happen.  so I keep active-I don't surf but i do lift
weights; I don't run but I live on that treamill; I do tai chi and
yoga every day.

I don't have self esteem issues and weight has never made one bit of
difference in my life socially

However, you don't get to tell me that I don't have RA but rather have
knee problems because I am too fat.  That is bad medicine; that is
misdiagnosing.  (That is also recorded.  i love my little phone that
can just record conversations all over the place.)  I am going to
switch docs and then heads are going to roll.

You know he could have gone many places with this including asking if
i was interested in any info about weight loss.  he could have asked
how physical I was.  He could have told me that my knees would be
happier if I could  lose weight.  What he doesn't get to do is tell me
I don't have RA just plain old osteo because I now weigh 220.

I tried to tell him that the biologics would not work nor would pred
if I didn't have inflammatory arthritis.  I tried to tell him that my
CRP and SED rate were much much higher before enbrel.  Finally I
stopped trying to tell him anything and just left.

I have to say I am stunned that a doctor is so misinformed.  I had one
of those cool whole body scans two years ago and my arteries are
excellent.  My blood glucose is perfect.  my blood pressure is still a
little too low.  I have the best cholesterol of any one I know.  Well,
I think none of that counts to this guy. I guess I'll get myself into
therapy and find out why I have issues with food <g>

m
Alice Faber - 17 Jul 2008 23:04 GMT
In article
<cb97dee3-6e05-4910-89df-f5d513379c32@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,

> I have to say I am stunned that a doctor is so misinformed.  I had one
> of those cool whole body scans two years ago and my arteries are
> excellent.  My blood glucose is perfect.  my blood pressure is still a
> little too low.  I have the best cholesterol of any one I know.  Well,
> I think none of that counts to this guy. I guess I'll get myself into
> therapy and find out why I have issues with food <g>

Well, you're obviously in denial <g>.

Seriously, don't people look at medical *histories*, for god's sake. I
actually have had medical professionals tell me that I don't really have
diabetes, because, by dint of careful eating, my blood sugar looks
normal. It just makes me want to scream.

A friend of mine with a feminist blog has written about this sort of
thing extensively, and militantly. Email me, and I'll send you links if
you're interested.

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Kelly - 17 Jul 2008 23:21 GMT
Oh and save space on that bench for therapy for all the rest of us M!  Yup -
I am RA factor negative as well, have a low SED rate, and yes have gained
weight despite having a better diet than most.  I do my little exercises in
small doses and am actually in not bad shape.  So glad to know it isn't the
prednisone - that is a myth obviously.  Therapy would be cheaper than enbrel
to correct your RA though M.  Sheesh. So move over on the bench all you
people who haven't gained weight with your prednisone (why did they do all
that research that says prednisone decreases metabolism and increases
appetite and also helps retain fluid.  Duh!)

Glad you taped the guy.  He deserves to be reported!

Kelly

> So...I have had no health insurance for 3 months saving myself 5880.00
> dollars (california is one of those states where HIPAA portability is
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>
> m
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 17 Jul 2008 23:44 GMT
M, he sounds like the doctor who told my son-in-law two weeks ago that his
chest hurting and his arms hurting badly was not his heart, it was acid
reflux.
He went to another doctor the next day who made an appointment for him with
a cardiologist.  They scheduled a heart cath (in Charleston, SC and they
live in Beaufort, SC) for Wednesday of last week.  On Friday he had a triple
bypass.  He's 62 and he did really well; went home to Beaufort yesterday.
I don't know who was worse off, he or Carol Ann.  Her fibromyalgia keeps her
in pain most of the time; she's on oxycontin and Lyrica, plus some other
meds.  She really suffered staying at the hospital every day and not being
able to sleep at the motel.  Their son and DIL was still with them this
morning and some of his family are planning to come help her.   A prayer for
them will be appreciated.  How did some doctors graduate!
Gwen

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So...I have had no health insurance for 3 months saving myself 5880.00
dollars (california is one of those states where HIPAA portability is
expanded to 6 months).  I have managed to find health insurance that
is an HMO through an acupuncture association.  I had to change PCP's
as my RA and pulmonary specialist are with one medical group while my
PCP was with another.  I just got back from seeing this new doc.  I
had blood work done last week.

I am very very unhappy-well actually make that PO'd to the extreme.
As always my cholesterol is great.  Good HDL and very low LDL, low
triglycerides, etc.  Everything else was good as well.

This very weird Doc (who I will not be returning to), informed me that
I probably didn't have RA as my RA factor is negative.  He said, "you
are overweight and that is probably what's wrong with your
knees"  (and hands?)    I tried to expalin to him that when I was
diagnosed with RA, I weighed 140 lbs and for my 5"10 runner's frame
that made me look anorexic (size 2-4).  He told me that I had to have
a bad relationship with food and needed to be in therapy to resolve my
"issues".  I asked him what he knew about corticosteroids and weight
gain.  He said that pred causing weight gain was a myth.

I am stunned.  I eat better than anyone.  I gain weight everytime I do
extended pred.  I don't lose it.  I gain no weight ever when I am not
on pred.  I have low blood pressure.  I come from a family of very
tall skinny people.  I was one for years.  Funny thing is that I
really would love to snap my fingers and weigh 140 again but that is
not going to happen.  so I keep active-I don't surf but i do lift
weights; I don't run but I live on that treamill; I do tai chi and
yoga every day.

I don't have self esteem issues and weight has never made one bit of
difference in my life socially

However, you don't get to tell me that I don't have RA but rather have
knee problems because I am too fat.  That is bad medicine; that is
misdiagnosing.  (That is also recorded.  i love my little phone that
can just record conversations all over the place.)  I am going to
switch docs and then heads are going to roll.

You know he could have gone many places with this including asking if
i was interested in any info about weight loss.  he could have asked
how physical I was.  He could have told me that my knees would be
happier if I could  lose weight.  What he doesn't get to do is tell me
I don't have RA just plain old osteo because I now weigh 220.

I tried to tell him that the biologics would not work nor would pred
if I didn't have inflammatory arthritis.  I tried to tell him that my
CRP and SED rate were much much higher before enbrel.  Finally I
stopped trying to tell him anything and just left.

I have to say I am stunned that a doctor is so misinformed.  I had one
of those cool whole body scans two years ago and my arteries are
excellent.  My blood glucose is perfect.  my blood pressure is still a
little too low.  I have the best cholesterol of any one I know.  Well,
I think none of that counts to this guy. I guess I'll get myself into
therapy and find out why I have issues with food <g>

m
Squirrely - 17 Jul 2008 23:53 GMT
prayers coming that way Gwen for all of them. it is sad how many mistakes
are being made lately and we have to trust them for our care. I feel for you
to M and will be praying for you. I can understand the frustration and
stress there, I have had them do this to me so many times like with the
addisons stuff too and the lung issues now. it is something.

my heart is with you and with your sil and daughter gwen and you too.

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> M, he sounds like the doctor who told my son-in-law two weeks ago that his
> chest hurting and his arms hurting badly was not his heart, it was acid
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> them will be appreciated.  How did some doctors graduate!
> Gwen
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 18 Jul 2008 00:51 GMT
Thanks, SJ.  You are constantly in my prayers also.
Gwen

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The older we get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.

prayers coming that way Gwen for all of them. it is sad how many mistakes
are being made lately and we have to trust them for our care. I feel for you
to M and will be praying for you. I can understand the frustration and
stress there, I have had them do this to me so many times like with the
addisons stuff too and the lung issues now. it is something.

my heart is with you and with your sil and daughter gwen and you too.

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> M, he sounds like the doctor who told my son-in-law two weeks ago that his
> chest hurting and his arms hurting badly was not his heart, it was acid
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> them will be appreciated.  How did some doctors graduate!
> Gwen
Squirrely - 18 Jul 2008 00:52 GMT
thank you too. can always use them. right now they are messing with giving
my pred to me so it is not fun here.

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> Thanks, SJ.  You are constantly in my prayers also.
> Gwen
shenmei9wise@gmail.com - 18 Jul 2008 01:50 GMT
On Jul 17, 3:44 pm, <sweetpickl...@SPAMknology.net> wrote:
> M, he sounds like the doctor who told my son-in-law two weeks ago that his
> chest hurting and his arms hurting badly was not his heart, it was acid
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> live in Beaufort, SC) for Wednesday of last week.  On Friday he had a triple
> bypass.  He's 62 and he did really well; went home to Beaufort yesterday.

wow Gwen,
That is truly a horror story.  Prayers for both of them

m
ANN M - 18 Jul 2008 02:37 GMT
Gwen...prayers for your son and DIL.  Thank God they were able to catch
it in time and fix his heart problems.

M....Push over on that bench please.  I went to an ear doctor for a
hearing problem.  He told me I didn't have RA, didn't need my cane and
was "much too fat" and should exercise more.  Since RA is not his field
and I didn't ask him any questions about it,  I couldn't help but wonder
why he was volunteering his advice.  He also told me about his 90 year
old mother who dances and does pilates after a hip replacement. (Good
for her). I wanted to smack the jerk along side his head but restrained
myself.

My nephrologist, whom I adore, told me to tell anybody who complains
about my weight that all I have to do is take an extra Lasix and pee
that 20 pounds off in a week.  She is really funny.

Don't get discouraged.  Things will get better for you soon and you will
find a doc who cares about you.

Ann.
Nann Bell - 18 Jul 2008 12:54 GMT
> M....Push over on that bench please.  I went to an ear doctor for a
> hearing problem.  He told me I didn't have RA, didn't need my cane and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> for her). I wanted to smack the jerk along side his head but restrained
> myself.

I'm just now flashing back to the last RD I had, who unfortunately didn't
show his true bozo-ness right away.  We were constantly battling over me
still being on premarin.  After tryng to explain why we'd decided to stick
with it several times, I finally resorted to a cold, "[my PCP] and I have
discussed it and are handling it".  Boy, if looks could kill, the one I
earned with that line would have done it!  That was the last time I went to
him.  Our insurance at the time didn't cover office visits and we coldn'
afford another new patient fee, but with a move & better insurance in the
near future my very good PCP agreed to monitor my labs for me.

When I told this tale to my current RD, he was stunned to think any RD had
enough time in his schedule to worry about stuff the PCP was guiding.  Most
RDs have a hard enough time keeping up with their side of a person's health,
with the shortage of RDs.  I suppose that says even more about the "quality"
of the bozo one.

> My nephrologist, whom I adore, told me to tell anybody who complains
> about my weight that all I have to do is take an extra Lasix and pee
> that 20 pounds off in a week.  She is really funny.

heehee, sounds like a real keeper of a doctor!

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Nann Bell - 18 Jul 2008 12:21 GMT
Oh, dear, Gwen!  Thank goodness they had the sense to get to someone else!  
It's great for bot him and your daughter that he's home from the hospital so
quickly.  Prayers that they both recover easily & quickly!

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> M, he sounds like the doctor who told my son-in-law two weeks ago that his
> chest hurting and his arms hurting badly was not his heart, it was acid
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> them will be appreciated.  How did some doctors graduate!
> Gwen

Oh, dear, Gwen!  Thank goodness they had the sense to get to someone else!  
It's great for bot him and your daughter that he's home from the hospital so
quickly.  Prayers that they both recover easily & quickly!

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DianeChamberlain100@gmail.com - 19 Jul 2008 04:53 GMT
gwen, i'm so glad your son-in-law seems to have sailed through his
surgery! how infuriating that first doc was.

M, this guy is so bad that he's ludicrous and i'm FURIOUS on your
behalf. i absolutely can't believe his attitude/ignorance about
prednisone. i'm delighted you have him on tape. brilliant!

diane
Joan Carter - 17 Jul 2008 23:45 GMT
>I have to say I am stunned that a doctor is so misinformed.  I had one
>of those cool whole body scans two years ago and my arteries are
>excellent.  My blood glucose is perfect.  my blood pressure is still a
>little too low.  I have the best cholesterol of any one I know.  Well,
>I think none of that counts to this guy. I guess I'll get myself into
>therapy and find out why I have issues with food <g>

I suspect this individual may have received his medical degree
from one of those places that requires you to mail in a proof of
purchase of whatever with a dollar bill for postage!

Joan
Adelle - 18 Jul 2008 00:19 GMT
>>I have to say I am stunned that a doctor is so misinformed.  I had one
>>of those cool whole body scans two years ago and my arteries are
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Joan

2 thoughts:

1 - Just because you are book smart doesn't make you a decent diagnostician
(or a decent person for that matter).

2 - What do they call the person who graduates at the bottom of their
medical school class? - - - - doctor.

So sorry you got saddled with this jerk. Can I be a fly on the wall when you
complain about him?

Adelle
Kelly C. - 18 Jul 2008 01:29 GMT
What a moron!

I _do_ have issues with food, and lack of exercise, and that is why I am
overweight. That is not why I have RA.

Kick his arse, M!

Kelly C.

> So...I have had no health insurance for 3 months saving myself 5880.00
> dollars (california is one of those states where HIPAA portability is
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
>
> m
Jofirey - 18 Jul 2008 02:14 GMT
> So...I have had no health insurance for 3 months saving myself
> 5880.00
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
> into
> therapy and find out why I have issues with food <g>

I've been lucky.  I've never met that doc or any of the many others
who subscribe to his 'beliefs'.

You are doing so much better with prednisone and health management
than I am, and I can just imagine someone telling you that you have
issues with food.  I'm just a little surprised he lived to tell about
it.

I do pity the many patients that believe his load of bull.

In about 1972 I had the worst bout of asthma of my life.  When I got
out of the hospital after the three weeks at UC Davis it took to get
me stabilized I weighed 105 pounds.  I had never weighed more that 120
and that was for a short time as a newlywed when I first learned to
cook.

I was on prednisone for about six months that time.  By which time I
weighed 160.

There were many patients and a nurse at my allergists office with the
same problem.

No, of course there is no relationship between prednisone and weight
gain.  Sigh.

Jo
Harvey R. Stone - 18 Jul 2008 02:24 GMT
Hi M,    Run away , run away from that doctor.   I think the way you are
looking at what is taking place is right on.   Good luck with it all and you
are going through a great deal and should not be surprised that stress has
an effect on RA with yourself.
Harv

> So...I have had no health insurance for 3 months saving myself 5880.00
> dollars (california is one of those states where HIPAA portability is
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>
> m
DeeTee - 18 Jul 2008 03:19 GMT
Maybe you have found a way to pay for your old age. Teeheehee. We'll be
watching to see the sparks.

Hugs!! DeeTee

> So...I have had no health insurance for 3 months saving myself 5880.00
> dollars (california is one of those states where HIPAA portability is
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
>
> m
Carole - 18 Jul 2008 06:09 GMT
Stay away from that doctor! When two of my friends in NY took pred, they
both blew up and neither ever had a weight problem before. When one of
them went off it, she went back to her former size. It is not a myth.
That doctor is a quack!

Carole

> So...I have had no health insurance for 3 months saving myself 5880.00
> dollars (california is one of those states where HIPAA portability is
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
>
> m
Nann Bell - 18 Jul 2008 12:21 GMT
Mama Char always said "someone had to graduate last in the class", but I'm
sorry you had to deal with one of those, especially when ou are dealing with
so much else!  The one bright spot I see IS that he tried to pull this on
you.  With your connections and your drive for justice, you can protect less
cognizant patients from his abuses.  Go for it, girl!

Yesterday mucst have been a bad doctor day.  Mike had his first appointment
with a new doc.  It wasn't as bad as your appointment, but it was far from
good.  He is giving her one or two more appt. and if it isn't better, he'll
change.

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MZB - 18 Jul 2008 22:32 GMT
Here's a thought for you:

You know, there are a few doctors who finish at the BOTTOM of their class.

Congratulations, you just met one!!

Mel

> So...I have had no health insurance for 3 months saving myself 5880.00
> dollars (california is one of those states where HIPAA portability is
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>
> m
Aina Nilsen - 19 Jul 2008 18:42 GMT
> So...I have had no health insurance for 3 months saving myself 5880.00
> dollars (california is one of those states where HIPAA portability is
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
>
> m

UNLIKE YOU,  I am fat and I have met quite a few doctors like that in my
life. They somehow seem disappointed when I do not have high bloodpressure,
diabetes and high cholestrol, hitting early 50's by now....  Naturally, I do
realize that I should try to loose someweight, but on prednisone all the
time, with a genetic pool of fat  people etc it isn't easy. Also, I've done
the loose 30 punds gain 40 a bit
to often, so I refuse to do that again. Trying to eat even better and not
space my meals as much as I did, I did loose a few pounds last year and am
happy with that.

I'm sorry that you had to meet one of those bozos, as someone said in here,
some of those docs have to have been the last one in their class.

Aina
the lurker in Norway
Harvey R. Stone - 20 Jul 2008 13:33 GMT
> UNLIKE YOU,  I am fat and I have met quite a few doctors like that in my
> life. They somehow seem disappointed when I do not have high
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> Aina
> the lurker in Norway

Hi Aina,,,,  I have been around heavy people all my life,,, I guess.   In my
mind it is like smoking,,,, while we are doing it with all the habits that
go along with it,,,,  we rationalize the world around us to do what we enjoy
doing or want to do.   Like smoking, we are going to pay for doing it.
Maybe not today or tomorrow but down the road things will happen and you
will know that the price is being paid.   I got up to 264 on a 150 pound
frame and my knees paid the price but I know more is coming because we can
not see or feel (mostly) what is going on in our arteries and veins.
   I was taking 40 mg of pred. a day fighting a problem with my lungs.  RA?
Smoking for 30 years?  Both?   I am down to 20 mg a day now and I do not
have as bad a screaming hunger that pred. can give a person.
   Pred. is a good tool for fighting what inflam.arth. does to a person and
it must be used with careful control.   With my lungs,  I really do not have
a choice about using it.   After loosing down to 220, I am starting to gain
again.  Soooo, I am talking to myself as well as anyone that reads this.
The good news about this is that my lungs are clearing up some and I do not
have to lay down after exercise to get my wind back.   The swing in my front
yard still works just fine.  :-)
Harv
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 20 Jul 2008 21:49 GMT
Harv, glad to hear that there is some improvement with your lungs.  It takes
a lot of patience to wait though, doesn't it!
Gwen

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> UNLIKE YOU,  I am fat and I have met quite a few doctors like that in my
> life. They somehow seem disappointed when I do not have high
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Aina
> the lurker in Norway

Hi Aina,,,,  I have been around heavy people all my life,,, I guess.   In my
mind it is like smoking,,,, while we are doing it with all the habits that
go along with it,,,,  we rationalize the world around us to do what we enjoy
doing or want to do.   Like smoking, we are going to pay for doing it.
Maybe not today or tomorrow but down the road things will happen and you
will know that the price is being paid.   I got up to 264 on a 150 pound
frame and my knees paid the price but I know more is coming because we can
not see or feel (mostly) what is going on in our arteries and veins.
   I was taking 40 mg of pred. a day fighting a problem with my lungs.  RA?
Smoking for 30 years?  Both?   I am down to 20 mg a day now and I do not
have as bad a screaming hunger that pred. can give a person.
   Pred. is a good tool for fighting what inflam.arth. does to a person and
it must be used with careful control.   With my lungs,  I really do not have
a choice about using it.   After loosing down to 220, I am starting to gain
again.  Soooo, I am talking to myself as well as anyone that reads this.
The good news about this is that my lungs are clearing up some and I do not
have to lay down after exercise to get my wind back.   The swing in my front
yard still works just fine.  :-)
Harv
Harvey R. Stone - 20 Jul 2008 23:55 GMT
> Harv, glad to hear that there is some improvement with your lungs.  It
> takes
> a lot of patience to wait though, doesn't it!
> Gwen

Pred. and patience do not work well together.   The higher amount took all
my strength away,,,, mainly in my legs.   My RD said it would all come back
with a great improvement in my breathing.   I have noticed some improvement
in my breathing,,, not great but better.  So it goes.
Harv
Cindy - 20 Jul 2008 15:47 GMT
You know, I was overweight most of my entire adult life until I had Gastric
Bypass surgery in 2003.
I was a very skinny and boney kid...Also...I have bad knees...started being
bad when I was 9..a very skinny boney 9....
But you know...I really hate that doctors are so insensitive...and stupid...
and I know all doctors are not...
But I have seen many that the first words out of their mouths...Do you
smoke????? NO never have.....So lose weight...this is there answer for a
cold, broken toe, or hang nail...
ARGH!!!
I first started seeing my Rhuemy in 2003 before my WLS....I weighed about
260lbs then...First thing he said to me...We are going to get your pain
under controll, then we will worry about losing weight...He is great...
So for you that have suffered the idiots of the world...hang in there, cause
there are some good doctors out there...

> So...I have had no health insurance for 3 months saving myself 5880.00
> dollars (california is one of those states where HIPAA portability is
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>
> m
Carole - 20 Jul 2008 17:12 GMT
> But I have seen many that the first words out of their mouths...Do you
> smoke????? NO never have.....So lose weight...this is there answer for a
> cold, broken toe, or hang nail... ARGH!!!

Boy, can I relate to that! I never used to go to doctors unless I was
REALLY sick because I got so tired of the "weight loss lecture". I'd go
in for bronchitis and they'd start on my weight. Like I really wanted to
discuss that when every bone in my body hurt, I couldn't breathe, I was
coughing my brains out, etc.

When I first came down with CHF, I weighed well over 300. I remember
saying to my cardiologist "So now tell me, if I had lost weight this
wouldn't have happened". I figured I'd get a jump on it before he
started in. He looked at me and said "Carole, this has nothing to do
with your weight. You caught a virus and the virus attacked your heart".
He was the first doctor I'd ever met who didn't blame my illness on my
weight! He then went on to explain to me that the wife of one of the
other cardiologists in the office had the same thing and she was a
string bean, and that a young man of 14 who was a football player also
had the same thing. I can't begin to tell you how I felt. For once in my
life, I had found an understanding doctor! He never once told me to lose
weight. In fact, when I broached the subject last year, he was
supportive, and even wrote a letter to my insurance company so that they
would cover the costs of my going to a bariatrician. When I saw him a
few months ago and had lost almost 100 lbs, he told me that in all his
years of practice, he could count on one hand how many patients had
accomplished what I had. I felt so good!

People wonder why I still trek down to where I used to live to see him,
but for me, there is no other. I don't mind the drive since I only have
to get checked twice a year now :)

So keep looking, there are good ones out there!

Carole
Donna G. - 20 Jul 2008 17:48 GMT
I, too, am very heavy, and have faced the battle with several doctors
and their attitudes that all illness is caused by being over weight.  

A few years ago I had a new lung doctor who every single visit, the
first words out of her mouth were about my weight.  After stupidly
dealing with that for about a year, I finally told her I was sick of
dealing with someone that was so predjudice against heavy people.  She
was so surprised and told me she wasn't predjudiced at all, as she had
friends that were heavy.  I told her that didn't mean a thing and that
she was probably the most predjudiced against heavy people of anyone I
had met. I was in tears by then, but they were tears of anger.  She also
ended up in tears too, but I was fed up with her.   I felt bad
afterwards that I had gotten her to the point of being in tears, because
I could walk out the door and come home and shed my tears in private,
but she was going to have to get herself together to see the rest of her
patients.  That day after walking out her door, I went home, had a good
cry, and then found myself another lung doctor who has turned out to be
a real gem!   He is most caring and compassionate and can talk to me
about other topics besides my weight.  Sure, we sometimes talk about my
weight and I know I am way too heavy, but at least he will listen to me,
work WITH me, and not make everything about weight.  I feel extremely
blessed to have found him after dealing with the other doctor who never
listened and whose only agenda was the weight issue.  Do these doctors
think that we don't know that we are fat and that we aren't bothered by
it?  Sheesh!!!  Get real!!!

Sometimes I wonder if some of these doctors realize that a lot of people
are overweight not only because of meds, but also because they tend to
eat due to emotions and stress, and they (the doctors) end up causing
more stress and more emotional trauma by the way they act and by the
words they say!

Yes, most of our illnesses would be helped if we would lose some weight,
but most of these illnesses also effect those that are skinny as a
string bean, so weight is not the only issue and often times the meds we
are forced to take/use, plays into the weight gain to a certain extent.

I wish some of these doctors would realize that we are not stupid people
and that we are well aware of what our weight issues can impact.   Work
with us and don't treat us like idiots!

Sorry, didn't mean to go off on a rant like I did!!!  Best get off my
soap box!

M., I am truly sorry you had to deal with someone like this and the fact
that they would make the claims they did about pred is even more scary!
You are far too informed to have to deal with someone like this, not to
mention far too compassionate and caring!!!  Hope you can find someone
much better and much more willing to work with you as an intelligent and
well informed patient!

Hugs,

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Donna
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1.)   ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......

2.)    J.K.M.A.
Nell - 21 Jul 2008 23:43 GMT
> I, too, am very heavy, and have faced the battle with several doctors
> and their attitudes that all illness is caused by being over weight.
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> 2.)    J.K.M.A.

I've been heavy most all my life. One time when I was working in a factory
where I was standing all day and had my arms above my shoulders for hours at
a time, the right shoulder started sounding off. I was in pain! Went to the
emergency room. The doctor immediately said "It's no wonder your shoulder
hurts. Your upper arms are so big and heavy and here you are lifting them up
all day. Lose weight!" He did give me pain pills and said take one or two. I
took two I was hurting that bad. It made so loopy I acted like I was falling
down drunk! He must have figured if I was shaped like an elephant that I
needed the pill equivilant of an elephant gun. I was about 220 pounds at
that time (late 1970s).

Though doctors often brought up my weight and the need to lose, no one was
ever as brutal and thoughtless as that "doctor" I never went to that ER
again, since I did have a doctor (it was after hours), and there were half a
dozen hospitals in my area (the South Bay section of Los Angeles County).

I started losing in 2006. My weight had topped out at 284 and I couldn't
breathe or walk at the same time (sometimes not even separately).  I'm at
140 now and don't vary more than a couple of pounds either way. It's a
miracle and I know I have to be vigilant. I had lost about hundred pounds a
couple of times before but there was no lifestyle change and the minute I
was "off the hook" (in my mind) I went back to the same bad eating habits.

I do have some weakness on the left side of my heart. I don't doubt I had
heart attacks when I was so heavy (might have been some of the shortness of
breath in addition to badly controlled asthma).

Nell

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dizzie.lizzie.5@gmail.com - 20 Jul 2008 20:09 GMT
>> But I have seen many that the first words out of their mouths...Do you
>> smoke????? NO never have.....So lose weight...this is there answer for a
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>Carole

I weighed about 250 when I moved from CA to OR. My back and knees
really hurt. None of the docs I saw in OR even mentioned my weight. I
had surgery for spinal stenosis (successful, actually a miracle) and
then both knees replaced. A year later my back was hurting again and I
went back to the pain management doc. I said I knew that I would feel
better if I didn't weigh so much. His answer was that it was very
difficult to lose weight when you hurt too much to be able to
exercise. Then he read the x-rays and said that it was no wonder that
my back hurt as I was bone on bone throughout my lower back.

When I came back to CA I had a spinal injection and physical therapy
twice (a year apart). The second time I knew that if left on my own I
would not keep up with the exercises and be back for more injections.
So I asked the PT for a recommendation for a personal trainer. I have
been working with my trainer for 10 months now. He has given me a
whole new life. He is sneaky, very, very sneaky. We never discussed my
weight or dieting or anything that I might resist. He asked if I ate
breakfast that day. Then what did I have. Then suggested maybe try
this instead of that. Just one item. These little nudges just occurred
once in a while until I started asking him for help with food choices
(He is a body builder and certified trainer, nutritionalist). I have
completely changed what I eat. I have lost 85 pounds. I am never
hungry. I can do things I never could anytime before.

He snuck up on me and never gave me any chance to resist him. His
philosophy is that the mind and body can do a lot more than you think
if you just go gently.
--
Dizzie Lizzie  --  www.flamingo-code.com
"I have noticed even people who claim everything is
predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it,
look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking
Donna G. - 20 Jul 2008 20:24 GMT
OH, I really like that approach that the personal trainer took with
you!!!  What a fantastic way to help some one---one little step at a
time!!!

Wish I could find someone around here just like that!

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1.)   ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
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2.)    J.K.M.A.
Cindy - 21 Jul 2008 02:24 GMT
That is great....one step at a time...and doing more of the right things and
less of the bad...eventually it will sneak up on you..!!!! Congratulations
and Kudos to your Trainer...

>>> But I have seen many that the first words out of their mouths...Do you
>>> smoke????? NO never have.....So lose weight...this is there answer for a
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> predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it,
> look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking
 
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